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Lovie Smith Fired

Porky

Hall of Fame
Stingley and Metchie are both "potentially" great picks. We'll have to wait and see on both those two.
Metchie is never going to amount to a hill of beans IMHO. I'd be shocked if he ever lived up to his draft position + the picks given up (for no &$#@@! reason) to draft a guy that was a slot receiver. It didn't make sense then, and it doesn't make sense now. That's not the only reason by far that I wanted Nick gone. It's one of a LOT of reasons why Nick should have been kicked to the curb with Lovie...including the final ignominy (like my fancy word?) yesterday. The final FU by Lovie was also on Nick. Nick was the publisher of that book, Lovie the Author. Both should have been sent packing.

If Cal is going to keep Nick as it appears, Nick needs to hit a grand slam on the coaching hire and in the draft. Full stop. I was and still am and will be on the fire Nick train until Nick pulls his head out of his ass and actually becomes a decent GM. So far, he gets a D letter grade from me.
 
Should have never gotten rid of Culley if you wanted some worthless bridge coach.
3 searches in a row.
I thought Culley did a decent job when all was said and done and he deserved at least this last season to see what he could accomplish. Also, I don't think Tim Kelly's offense was any worse than what we saw from Pep. If anything I think at the end of last season our offense and Davis Mills were better than they were at the end of this season.

Regardless, I hope we get the right head coach for next season. Based on past choices I am not expecting that to happen.

Besides, what head coach wants to take the job with a team where he can't choose his own staff? I say that in regards to Pep Hamilton.
 

Hervoyel

BUENO!
Stingley and Metchie are both "potentially" great picks. We'll have to wait and see on both those two.
And potentially both wasted picks as well. Like you said. Have to wait and see. Stingley though was a case of needlessly taking a chance. There was a perfectly acceptable alternative to that player who was every bit as coveted as Stingley but without the issues that could very easily shorten his career and limit his ability to be the guy Nick or Lovie or whoever in the hell inside that board room wants to take responsibility for it thought they saw. Gardner was the smarter choice. Metchie nobody could have truly seen coming. I don't have a problem with that pick at all. Price was too high I guess but that's about it. I don't question Stingley's talent either. I just think they needed to make smarter choices while they have this bounty of picks. burning them to trade up for guys they could have had later is stupid. Taking guys who have serious injury questions is stupid. At least to me it seems stupid when you have other equally excellent options.
 

Porky

Hall of Fame
I'll blame Caserio for the teams sorry coaching hires as soon as he is allowed by management to hire the coach.

:coffee:
Just because of a narrative around here, pushed especially hard by SteelB, doesn't make it true. These hires are on Nick. Quit giving this man an excuse slip from his Mommy and start holding his feet to the fire. He is the GM. Either hold him accountable, or boot his ass, and get someone that can be accountable for his actions.
 

Hervoyel

BUENO!
Now a bunch of people seem to be jumping on the "Texans are racist for hiring/firing black coaches" bandwagon. Dungy is crying about it and now RGIII thinks it was wrong. To me everyone involved is smaller for this BS. I've been watching teams fire coaches for decades and we saw three teams just in the last decade (including the Texans now) go through a coach-per-year. NFL coaches are all subject to the Bum Phillips "Them that's been fired and them that's gonna be fired" rule. When it becomes racist to fire a coach who wins 3 or 4 games in a season then that's a bunch of damn crap in my eyes. Coaching is like a profession where you sign up to be a scapegoat and almost all of them fail to one degree or another.

RGIII and Dungy acting like this is somehow worse because the coaches are black look like crybabies. These are grown men who were paid millions of dollars not purse-puppies who need to be coddled. If the Texans can't get another HC candidate to come in because of this that's their problem. Somehow the other teams who flipped coaches twice quickly managed to keep bringing in candidates and even seemed to get better eventually.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
Now a bunch of people seem to be jumping on the "Texans are racist for hiring/firing black coaches" bandwagon. Dungy is crying about it and now RGIII thinks it was wrong. To me everyone involved is smaller for this BS. I've been watching teams fire coaches for decades and we saw three teams just in the last decade (including the Texans now) go through a coach-per-year. NFL coaches are all subject to the Bum Phillips "Them that's been fired and them that's gonna be fired" rule. When it becomes racist to fire a coach who wins 3 or 4 games in a season then that's a bunch of damn crap in my eyes. Coaching is like a profession where you sign up to be a scapegoat and almost all of them fail to one degree or another.

RGIII and Dungy acting like this is somehow worse because the coaches are black look like crybabies. These are grown men who were paid millions of dollars not purse-puppies who need to be coddled. If the Texans can't get another HC candidate to come in because of this that's their problem. Somehow the other teams who flipped coaches twice quickly managed to keep bringing in candidates and even seemed to get better eventually.
Somebody needs to point out that these racists kept an inept minority GM around for 12 yrs.

The fact that Caserio's 1st choice was Flores seems to escape these idiots.

Furthermore do these idiots realize that they are setting back minorities chances of being hired. Like I've always said hiring people is much easier than firing people and why would an owner put themselves though the kind of scrutiny that Dungy and RGIII are currently putting the Texans org under when it's easily avoidable. Cal tried to avoid this by hiring Lovie, but it was always going to come to this from the moment they tried to appease Derrick by hiring Culley. Which was a stupid idea to begin with. Unfortunately these are the uncomfortable truths of the current situation.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
Lovie became “get off my lawn!” Old man status getting stuck in his own ways…it was clear tho that he must’ve finally started listening late in the season when the dramatic changes started being seen on how the offense was run starting with the Dallas game. Had he made those changes earlier, we likely would’ve won at least 2-3 other games when you look at how many close games we lost earlier in the season.
 

Hervoyel

BUENO!
I love it when My TEXANS are making history
I also love it when you can literally see the way this is going to go. Cal keeps Caserio and we stay in the dark about who really did make these decisions forever.... or Cal fires Caserio and we get the "I fired him because he hired two coaches who didn't work out" vs. "He fired me but I didn't even get to pick the coaching hires or draft the playe..... Did they work out? Oh OK then those are my guys!"

The "He said-He said is" going to be a lot of fun to watch when this finally goes down.
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
Disagree, talent has been added and from the beginning I said it would be 2 yrs before the HC that shared Caserio's vision would be hired. That timeline has been spot on, even though Culley not going along with firing Kelly made things appear to be messier than they really are.
Imagine how much fun you could be having if you hadn't lost your way and ended up defending and making excuses for a Bill O'Brien and Jack Easterby recommendation and hire.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
I also love it when you can literally see the way this is going to go. Cal keeps Caserio and we stay in the dark about who really did make these decisions forever.... or Cal fires Caserio and we get the "I fired him because he hired two coaches who didn't work out" vs. "He fired me but I didn't even get to pick the coaching hires or draft the playe..... Did they work out? Oh OK then those are my guys!"

The "He said-He said is" going to be a lot of fun to watch when this finally goes down.
If Gannon is the next HC, know that it's a Caserio hire.
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
Metchie is never going to amount to a hill of beans IMHO. I'd be shocked if he ever lived up to his draft position + the picks given up (for no &$#@@! reason) to draft a guy that was a slot receiver. It didn't make sense then, and it doesn't make sense now. That's not the only reason by far that I wanted Nick gone. It's one of a LOT of reasons why Nick should have been kicked to the curb with Lovie...including the final ignominy (like my fancy word?) yesterday. The final FU by Lovie was also on Nick. Nick was the publisher of that book, Lovie the Author. Both should have been sent packing.

If Cal is going to keep Nick as it appears, Nick needs to hit a grand slam on the coaching hire and in the draft. Full stop. I was and still am and will be on the fire Nick train until Nick pulls his head out of his ass and actually becomes a decent GM. So far, he gets a D letter grade from me.
The Metchie trade-up is a lot like the Collins trade-up. For Collins they gave up a lot to move up for a #3 WR. Metchie might be a #2 WR.

Cal and Hannah McNair have always fallen in love with the Texans GM. My opinion is why Caserio didn't get fired. The ghost of Bill O'Brien and Jack Easterby is still running the show and roaming the halls of NRG.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
When I read Caserio was staying and getting a third chance to screw up the HC hire in a row I quit caring again in the blink of an eye. I’m not unreasonable about this. I understand Cal is the owner and he’s not going anywhere. I just don’t get letting this guy (Caserio) continue to guide this mess as it gets worse every year he’s here. This needed to be a clean-house moment and instead it’s just rinse and repeat.
From back in October:

I can't believe anyone wants to give him a shot at hiring a 3rd HC .....

How many GM's get to hire a 3rd coach in a decade much less a span of 3 years.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
What part is garbage?

Gannon having mutual interest?
Gannon bringing in Reich and Zimmer?
No interest in DeMeco?

If they want Gannon. Why not hire him last year? idk man

They tried too. Was thiiiiiiiiis close too. Nick wouldn’t let him hire his own coordinators and Gannon said nah im good.
It's impossible to gauge any "mutual interest" when they haven't spoken to any of the above.
 

thunderkyss

Just win baby!!!
Staff member
Contributor's Club
It's impossible to gauge any "mutual interest" when they haven't spoken to any of the above.
It's a shame how many are sucking this up.

On the one hand, we know what the media is & what they do & why

On the other hand when they say something we want to believe...
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
If I were hired to manage the local Pollos Hermanos & Gus told me to fire the fry cook, I’m going to fire the fry cook, “dude, Gus said get your sht & go. I tried to stick up for you, but he said it’s either you or me & you. So, it’s you.”
Would you let the fry cook take a 3 piece, biscuit and mashed taters On the house as he exits?
 

djohn2oo8

All Pro
Dysfunctional franchises do dysfunctional things.

This franchise is utter garbage run by owners that have the football acumen of circus clowns.

This city deserves better football franchises, but deserves got nothing to do with it.
I really don’t think the Culley hire should be should be on Caserio.
 

Number19

Hall of Fame
I really don’t think the Culley hire should be should be on Caserio.
Nor should Lovie. We've spent two years clearing out the deadwood and the previous mess. Cooks will be the final piece to be gotten rid of. Caserio has put in place the beginning of a longterm rebuild with last year's draft; a foundation to now be built on. The Texans now have to put in place the final foundation piece, and that will be the new coaching staff. Caserio will be given at least three years of the last four of his contract to make good on this rebuild.
 

djohn2oo8

All Pro
Wait! What? Why? Cal did not have a clue who David Culley was until Nick and Jack paraded the name in front of Cal. Boy, you Caserio apologists are something else. The Kool-Aid is potent today.
Do you seriously think they were competing with all the Watson shenanigans going on? Who was coming here?
 

Porky

Hall of Fame
Who is this clown? John Breech? What a moron!
  • Winner: Lovie Smith. It might seem odd that I have Lovie listed as a winner considering he just got fired, but he gets to leave a dysfunctional organization and he ended his career in Houston with a wild win that guaranteed the Texans won't be getting the No. 1 overall pick. Any time you can screw someone over who's about to fire you, you have to do it.
 

gwallaia

Moderator
Staff member
Who is this clown? John Breech? What a moron!
  • Winner: Lovie Smith. It might seem odd that I have Lovie listed as a winner considering he just got fired, but he gets to leave a dysfunctional organization and he ended his career in Houston with a wild win that guaranteed the Texans won't be getting the No. 1 overall pick. Any time you can screw someone over who's about to fire you, you have to do it.
But according to an angry Michael Irvin on the Al Sharpton, uh I mean the Stephen A. Smith Show, players never try to lose a game no matter what.
 
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