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Lovie Smith Fired

steelbtexan said:
Bowles got a pretty good gig.
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Dungy did too, but check the recent history and this is a known fact. The chances that most minority coaches get are crap, desolate situations and they get canned with the quickness. That's why they call it a black job in some of these openings. Its just what it is. For the record, I never thought Lovie or Culley should've been hired.
 
leebigeztx said:
Dungy did too, but check the recent history and this is a known fact. The chances that most minority coaches get are crap, desolate situations and they get canned with the quickness. That's why they call it a black job in some of these openings. Its just what it is. For the record, I never thought Lovie or Culley should've been hired.
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I can see this.

Just want to add McDaniel down in Miami got a pretty good gig too.

Culley/Lovie were bridge HC's, whether we agree with going that route or not.
 
steelbtexan said:
Care to elaborate?
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In my opinion, just me, I don't want a defensive oriented head coach. If I would consider a coach from the defensive side of the ball, it would be Ryans because I'm pretty certain he's going to bring someone off that Shannahan/Kubiak tree which has been proven to have offensive success. Not only that, he's dealt with this organization before. As stated before, Caserio is the 1st gm in the history of the nfl to choose 3 coaches after screwing up the 1st 2 after 1 year. Where they do that at.
 
leebigeztx said:
In my opinion, just me, I don't want a defensive oriented head coach. If I would consider a coach from the defensive side of the ball, it would be Ryans because I'm pretty certain he's going to bring someone off that Shannahan/Kubiak tree which has been proven to have offensive success. Not only that, he's dealt with this organization before. As stated before, Caserio is the 1st gm in the history of the nfl to choose 3 coaches after screwing up the 1st 2 after 1 year. Where they do that at.
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I like Reich as an OC and the work Johnson has done to help Hurts improve has been great stuff. I look at Zimmer in the same light as Wade.
 
leebigeztx said:
Did you know McDaniels was a minority before you heard SF was getting compensation?
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Yes, I saw the interview where McDaniel didn't see what the big deal was about. His dad was an African American and his mom was Caucasian. They were a happy family and he didn't think this was that big of a deal.

After that I did see posters (Not on this site) start to question McDaniel's blackness. Which is sickening. IMHO
 
TheMatrix31 said:
and there's no way in hadies Ryans will come to Kirby, nor would the McNair's want him too.
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Ryans was a great leader and person as a Texan. The field was trash, and the Texans changed it. The amount Ryans sued for ($10 million) is nothing for the McNairs. And the Texans have to realize what a major public relations coup hiring the former Texan would be. This narrative seems totally overblown. Not to mention, Ian Rappaport has already listed Ryans as a potential candidate for the job.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1612300106493210625
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steelbtexan said:
Yes, I saw the interview where McDaniel didn't see what the big deal was about. His dad was an African American and his mom was Caucasian. They were a happy family and he didn't think this was that big of a deal.

After that I did see posters (Not on this site) start to question McDaniel's blackness. Which is sickening. IMHO
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I used to see him when he was with the Texans, I didn't know what he was honestly. I know he had some issues that he obviously overcame off the field and Kyle trusted him alot. All those guys used to run under George Whitfield out in La, McVeigh included.
 
Lucky said:
Ryans was a great leader and person as a Texan. The field was trash, and the Texans changed it. The amount Ryans sued for ($10 million) is nothing for the McNairs. And the Texans have to realize what a major public relations coup hiring the former Texan would be. This narrative seems totally overblown. Not to mention, Ian Rappaport has already listed Ryans as a potential candidate for the job.
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Demeco would bring soo much energy back into the organization. It would bring soo much air and optimism back into the organization which is needed.
 
badboy said:
He could but chain of command.. a good leader would tell immediate supervisor to do it unless said soop was squeemish.
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I owned a daycare and had to suspend my sister once and then fire her. I didn't ask the manager to do it, i did because I hired her when I 1st started it, not the manager. I'm not saying the manager wouldn't have done it, but as the owner and the top dog, I wasn't going to have someone do something I knew had to be done for the betterment of the entire business. Caserio is spineless in my opinion and he has shown it many times. Look at how Lovie had to answer questions about the botched Cook trade. Where was Carsterio? Head in the sand and hiding hoping it would go away.
 
leebigeztx said:
If a gm picks the staff, why would he ask the coach to fire someone he didn't have a say so in hiring?
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If I were hired to manage the local Pollos Hermanos & Gus told me to fire the fry cook, I’m going to fire the fry cook, “dude, Gus said get your sht & go. I tried to stick up for you, but he said it’s either you or me & you. So, it’s you.”
 
leebigeztx said:
I used to see him when he was with the Texans, I didn't know what he was honestly. I know he had some issues that he obviously overcame off the field and Kyle trusted him alot. All those guys used to run under George Whitfield out in La, McVeigh included.
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Avery is a Whitfield wanna be.

Whitfield was a really good QB coach.
 
leebigeztx said:
Demeco would bring soo much energy back into the organization. It would bring soo much air and optimism back into the organization which is needed.
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Demeco doesn't want to work for the McNair's and frankly I dont blame him.

Winning brings this back also.
 
steelbtexan said:
Avery is a Whitfield wanna be.

Whitfield was a really good QB coach.
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Why are you bringing avery into this? Just asking. I never mentioned Avery in any form. I'm simply stating all those young offensive minded guys used to go to his camps and exchange information and thoughts. Maybe Avery was there also, I'm not sure, but Avery had nothing to do with this.
 
leebigeztx said:
Why are you bringing avery into this? Just asking. I never mentioned Avery in any form. I'm simply stating all those young offensive minded guys used to go to his camps and exchange information and thoughts. Maybe Avery was there also, I'm not sure, but Avery had nothing to do with this.
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I was just pointing out what I perceive to be the differences between the two men and thought you might elaborate since it appears that you know Whitfield. But I guess not.
 
steelbtexan said:
I was just pointing out what I perceive to be the differences between the two men and thought you might elaborate since it appears that you know Whitfield. But I guess not.
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Avery wannabe status in your mind is only because of the Watson connection. Imitation is the greatest form of flattery correct? Maybe Avery saw a guy who looked like him and wanted to do what he was doing. What's wrong with that?
 
leebigeztx said:
Avery wannabe status in your mind is only because of the Watson connection. Imitation is the greatest form of flattery correct? Maybe Avery saw a guy who looked like him and wanted to do what he was doing. What's wrong with that?
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He's not doing a very good job of imitating Whitfield. IMHO
 
steelbtexan said:
He's not doing a very good job of imitating Whitfield. IMHO
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Says who? He's making a great living coaching soon to be nfl qbs. Is he at the level Whitfield is or was? No, but there were alot of people in nfl circles who didn't think much about what Whitfield was doing early either.
 
leebigeztx said:
Says who? He's making a great living coaching soon to be nfl qbs. Is he at the level Whitfield is or was? No, but there were alot of people in nfl circles who didn't think much about what Whitfield was doing early either.
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Difference is Avery takes advantage of fatherless poor guys and doesn't really help them improve their game. Whitfield was a great teacher. IMHO
 
leebigeztx said:
Your kidding right? C'mon man, you're better than this.
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Just because he's making a great living off of these kids doesn't make it right.

I want to get back to the is he as good as Whitfield or for that matter good at his job at all? I would submit that he's not good at his job and he's more of a poser than anything else. Nothing like George Whitfield.
 
leebigeztx said:
Demeco would bring soo much energy back into the organization. It would bring soo much air and optimism back into the organization which is needed.
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Lucky said:
Ryans was a great leader and person as a Texan. The field was trash, and the Texans changed it. The amount Ryans sued for ($10 million) is nothing for the McNairs. And the Texans have to realize what a major public relations coup hiring the former Texan would be. This narrative seems totally overblown. Not to mention, Ian Rappaport has already listed Ryans as a potential candidate for the job.
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The narrative that he’d be a good HC b/c he was a fan favorite player when he played here is a bit overblown too. He’s done well as a DC in SF…but lets be real, he took over a loaded defense in SF..with mostly the same defensive personnel there that Saleh had that helped him land a HC gig in NYJ…he’s also got Shanny’s offense supporting him. Basically all things he wouldn’t have here.

…im a fan like the rest of you guys, but I absolutely hate the thought of a guy being hired here for any other reasons than his ability to hire good assistants, manage a game and coach up and develop his young players. Bottom line for me is i Could give a @&$# about “energy back into the organization” to make me temporarily feel good about the direction of the team. The only thing thats gonna satisfy me & make me feel good about this team etc..etc is for us to start to win, Period. Not interested in “hope” or any other symbolic, fan sentiment b/c for me, im gonna be watching every sunday like a poor schmuck no matter what. And if Meco is hired and gets out here $&@#-ing up like the last 2 dudes, i’ll be raking his ass over the coals too.
 
When I read Caserio was staying and getting a third chance to screw up the HC hire in a row I quit caring again in the blink of an eye. I’m not unreasonable about this. I understand Cal is the owner and he’s not going anywhere. I just don’t get letting this guy (Caserio) continue to guide this mess as it gets worse every year he’s here. This needed to be a clean-house moment and instead it’s just rinse and repeat.
 
Personally.... I'm all for bringing in Aaron Glenn as our head coach. Dude was easily one of the best CBs we ever had, has always seemed like a top notch guy and I have never heard of any bad blood between him and the organization. Also, it is a name I haven't heard thrown around so why not....
 
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