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Which QB should the Texans consider signing/trading for?

Thorn said:
Until seeing this game today, I really haven't had an opinion on Bryce Young other than my generic comments on not drafting a QB in 2023. Now that I've seen him play, I say no no no. He's to freaking small. I watched one of his lineman pick him up to celebrate a pass and Young was probably two foot off the ground before he was eye level with the lineman. No ******* way I want him for anything other than a useful backup, most certainly not the starter.
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Very hard to evaluate Young because the pro game will be more different and his average arm strength and size (probably under 5'11) will become more of a factor in a condensed field and pocket. One thing I really like about him is his anticipation, reading his progressions and understanding of the game. Really obvious he has a high football IQ and can work the middle of the field. If Tua can have great success in the NFL, you have to think Young can be as well. He should be just as good at timing throws like Tua, with better mobility and out of structure ability to make plays.
 
Thorn said:
Until seeing this game today, I really haven't had an opinion on Bryce Young other than my generic comments on not drafting a QB in 2023. Now that I've seen him play, I say no no no. He's to freaking small. I watched one of his lineman pick him up to celebrate a pass and Young was probably two foot off the ground before he was eye level with the lineman. No ******* way I want him for anything other than a useful backup, most certainly not the starter.
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So now you know what the Texans will do :lol:
 
Max Duggan is looking good for TCU today. It's now halftime if anyone wants to see the 2nd half.

I didn't see Bryce although I do like Bryce... but liking Max as a value pick. I've seen him several times, and while he isn't a perfect prospect...he has an it factor, can play off schedule, like his leadership of the guys, has some wiggle etc. I really liked a TD pass with a blitzer in his face. He was drifting/running backwards, avoided the rusher, kept his eyes downfield and delivered a strike. Maybe I am way over-valuing the guy - I am not a scout. I just know what I like in a QB and he has it.

To my eyes, I see a 3rd rounder in Max. If he's there in the 3rd or 4th, he's my guy. Scouts opinions? Who knows. They may see him as a late-rounder due to a mix of average size, questionable arm strength, and limited experience. I still like him although his arm isn't great. Montana had just an ok arm too and was a 3rd rounder due to that and average size. Seems like Montana worked out ok. Just saying.
 
Porky said:
Max Duggan is looking good for TCU today. It's now halftime if anyone wants to see the 2nd half.

I didn't see Bryce although I do like Bryce... but liking Max as a value pick. I've seen him several times, and while he isn't a perfect prospect...he has an it factor, can play off schedule, like his leadership of the guys, has some wiggle etc. I really liked a TD pass with a blitzer in his face. He was drifting/running backwards, avoided the rusher, kept his eyes downfield and delivered a strike. Maybe I am way over-valuing the guy - I am not a scout. I just know what I like in a QB and he has it.

To my eyes, I see a 3rd rounder in Max. If he's there in the 3rd or 4th, he's my guy. Scouts opinions? Who knows. They may see him as a late-rounder due to a mix of average size, questionable arm strength, and limited experience. I still like him although his arm isn't great. Montana had just an ok arm too and was a 3rd rounder due to that and average size. Seems like Montana worked out ok. Just saying.
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ben.aires.smith said:
Very hard to evaluate Young because the pro game will be more different and his average arm strength and size (probably under 5'11) will become more of a factor in a condensed field and pocket. One thing I really like about him is his anticipation, reading his progressions and understanding of the game. Really obvious he has a high football IQ and can work the middle of the field. If Tua can have great success in the NFL, you have to think Young can be as well. He should be just as good at timing throws like Tua, with better mobility and out of structure ability to make plays.
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At Alabama, he has played with and against more dudes that will be in the NFL than most prospects. A team will either think he can overcome his size limitations or not. As you stated, Young is highly skilled
 
I like Bryce over CJ, although CJ is the more classic passer. Bryce does more with less, is more nimble and athletic and is better at off schedule plays.

BTW - Duggan just made an amazing play too. Had to move all over the pocket, and threw a long dime to Quentin Johnson in stride. Every time I watch Duggan play, I like him more. I'm leaning toward Bryce if we have a shot at him without trading up, etc. If not, I'm passing on Stroud. I want a guy that can play off-schedule and ball out in those situations. I'm also interested in Levis, who might be the risky pick high in the draft, but if you hit, you might hit big. He needs lots of patience. Bryce can play day one or close to it.
 
Porky said:
I like Bryce over CJ, although CJ is the more classic passer. Bryce does more with less, is more nimble and athletic and is better at off schedule plays.

BTW - Duggan just made an amazing play too. Had to move all over the pocket, and threw a long dime to Quentin Johnson in stride. Every time I watch Duggan play, I like him more. I'm leaning toward Bryce if we have a shot at him without trading up, etc. If not, I'm passing on Stroud. I want a guy that can play off-schedule and ball out in those situations. I'm also interested in Levis, who might be the risky pick high in the draft, but if you hit, you might hit big. He needs lots of patience. Bryce can play day one or close to it.
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I knew Young would show well…his poise is the most attractive thing to me as a potential prospect.

CJ has all the measureables and a silky smooth, effortless release when throwing it..he’s also damn accurate too….but he didn’t show well late in that Michigan game. Made me question his decision making when under pressure. He’ll have a chance to redeem himself in this game….& i want a reason to consider him for the Texans at 1…
 
Mr teX said:
I knew Young would show well…his poise is the most attractive thing to me as a potential prospect.

CJ has all the measureables and a silky smooth, effortless release when throwing it..he’s also damn accurate too….but he didn’t show well late in that Michigan game. Made me question his decision making when under pressure. He’ll have a chance to redeem himself in this game….& i want a reason to consider him for the Texans at 1…
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CJ and Levis have more upside. Are they more "prototype" QBs? Maybe, but I don't think Young is going to be better at the NFL level
 
wildroot said:
Then we'll have to clear all of our coaches out and find coaches that will implement THE system Young can flourish in. Don't think that'll happen, so if we take Young he'll be the preverbial round peg in a square hole with the Texans.
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Lovie’s getting cleared out no matter what imo. Latest he’ll be here is after the 2023 season…..unless………. Pep get cleared out after this year by NC…which is highly likely. In which case Lovie COULD then possibly stay past 2023 if NC can get that young progressive OC to come in and man the offense & develops the offensive system around Young.
 
Mr teX said:
based on what? With the right system, Young can thrive.
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The thing I keep coming back to in my mind is that if Tua can succeed at a high level, Bryce surely can as well in the right system. Like Tua, not the biggest guy or arm (although I think Bryce's arm is a bit better than Tuas), but he's accurate and is excellent at anticipation throw to spots. And unlike Tua, he can buy time when the pocket breaks down and make play out of structure like a Mahomes. Always going to have to accept the injury risk though.

Too bad Bryce is small because if he was 6'3+ and 220lbs, he would be called 'generational'.
 
After that first half, Stroud is back in the convo for 1.1 or 1.2. He is really impressive tonight. He is ending on a high note…assuming that he continues to play like this in the 2nd half. The most impressive is he is playing off schedule, something he usually does poorly. Not tonight. CJ is balling.
 
Porky said:
I like Bryce over CJ, although CJ is the more classic passer. Bryce does more with less, is more nimble and athletic and is better at off schedule plays.

BTW - Duggan just made an amazing play too. Had to move all over the pocket, and threw a long dime to Quentin Johnson in stride. Every time I watch Duggan play, I like him more. I'm leaning toward Bryce if we have a shot at him without trading up, etc. If not, I'm passing on Stroud. I want a guy that can play off-schedule and ball out in those situations. I'm also interested in Levis, who might be the risky pick high in the draft, but if you hit, you might hit big. He needs lots of patience. Bryce can play day one or close to it.
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Stroud made quite of few amazing plays against the best college defense in the country. He also used his legs, making off script plays. He can also play day one.
 
Mr teX said:
I knew Young would show well…his poise is the most attractive thing to me as a potential prospect.

CJ has all the measureables and a silky smooth, effortless release when throwing it..he’s also damn accurate too….but he didn’t show well late in that Michigan game. Made me question his decision making when under pressure. He’ll have a chance to redeem himself in this game….& i want a reason to consider him for the Texans at 1…
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He gave you a reason last night. I haven’t been big on Stroud but he was awesome last night. Maybe, just maybe for the first time in our existence there will actually be a legitimate franchise QB available when we have the top pick. Fingers crossed
 
Mr teX said:
Lovie’s getting cleared out no matter what imo.
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If that were to happen, Caserio needs to get off the pot and reel in the one he wants asap! Gets old watching all the other teams come out knowing who they want, sign the hot young coaching prospects and by the time we're ready the coaching cupboards pretty bare!
Thats how we wind up with the Culleys and Lovies of the football world.
 
wildroot said:
If that were to happen, Caserio needs to get off the pot and reel in the one he wants asap! Gets old watching all the other teams come out knowing who they want, sign the hot young coaching prospects and by the time we're ready the coaching cupboards pretty bare!
Thats how we wind up with the Culleys and Lovies of the football world.
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id agree with u…..if this team wasn’t mired in lawsuits and controversy over the last 2 years…seems alot of you guys keep wanting to forget how all of that effects FA signings and HC search when y’all wanna criticize NC for the job he’s done thus far.

No matter how many ways y’all try to say it, its just not as easy as y’all try to make it out to be.
 
Mr teX said:
based on what? With the right system, Young can thrive.
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Maybe but we don't have that system. However, if you take a typical drop back passer like Stroud. And he is still mobile. Or Levis, who can run or pass very similar to what Watson was doing on the field not his super freak stuff
 
Mr teX said:
id agree with u…..if this team wasn’t mired in lawsuits and controversy over the last 2 years…seems alot of you guys keep wanting to forget how all of that effects FA signings and HC search when y’all wanna criticize NC for the job he’s done thus far.

No matter how many ways y’all try to say it, its just not as easy as y’all try to make it out to be.
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Exactly, some of us wants immediate gratification. After what this franchise just went through and still going through. It’s going to take time to repair
 
SnakeEyes said:
Maybe but we don't have that system. However, if you take a typical drop back passer like Stroud. And he is still mobile. Or Levis, who can run or pass very similar to what Watson was doing on the field not his super freak stuff
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A, Both Young and Stroud are drop back passers B, right system applies to Stroud as well. Neither guy has any issues standing in the pocket and getting the ball downfield. Stroud’s measureables only give him an advantage over Young in making it slightly easier to incorporate him into a system than Young. But that advantage can easily be overcome With decision-making, playcalling surrounding talent and system.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Exactly, some of us wants immediate gratification. After what this franchise just went through and still going through. It’s going to take time to repair
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its the same sort of entitled mentality i see with Texas and A&M fans. They think b/c they’ve got alot of money to throw around they should be contending for NC every year. So they go out, spend tons of money on these high profile HC’s and get all these 4-5 star recruits…& guess what…they still suck…..They really have a hard time understanding its more to it than that.
 
wildroot said:
If that were to happen, Caserio needs to get off the pot and reel in the one he wants asap! Gets old watching all the other teams come out knowing who they want, sign the hot young coaching prospects and by the time we're ready the coaching cupboards pretty bare!
Thats how we wind up with the Culleys and Lovies of the football world.
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Yep. If the Texans want to change direction quickly on the offensive side of the ball, which is looks like they will, do it all at once this offseason. Draft your lottery QB, and at minimum, change the OC with a bright modern mind with strong control over the offense/playcalling with a new system. I'd be ok with giving Lovie another year to focus on a leadership role and defense building while the team is building.
 
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Speedy said:
That’s another thing though. I don’t want Lovie anywhere near the defense either. If there’s going to be changes, change it all.
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For sure, that would be ideal. I can see why the club may not want to fire 2 African American coaches at once, given the way the current climate is. At least we can see the defense making strides and players like Pitre and Harris developing well in front of us. The defense scheme seems to have adjusted and Lovie is a good mentor type of coach. At least give me the OC and new system with the shiny new toys. I can live with this.
 
Mr teX said:
id agree with u…..if this team wasn’t mired in lawsuits and controversy over the last 2 years…seems alot of you guys keep wanting to forget how all of that effects FA signings and HC search when y’all wanna criticize NC for the job he’s done thus far.

No matter how many ways y’all try to say it, its just not as easy as y’all try to make it out to be.
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Agreed. I'm a Caserio fan, but he makes the big bucks to get the hard things done, thats why he's here.
There was interest to come here as he did have coaches that he (NC) chose that interviewed. He could just never close the deal for whatever reason. He had Gannon in early and probably could have had him if he'd had let him assemble his own staff, not an unreasonable ask IMO.
If you can't trust your choice at HC to hire his staff, why the hell do you want him in the first place?!?
NC should have his list of 2 or 3 top people he wants to interview decided if he's going down that road again.
There's only 32 of these jobs in the world, and this one has 4 first round draft picks in the next 2 years, I gaurantee this job is coveted!
The Watson crap is behind us, most of the noise is gone, the Cap is looking good, get your 2 or 3 people interviewed as soon as you're allowed and this time close the deal before they're gone.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Exactly, some of us wants immediate gratification. After what this franchise just went through and still going through. It’s going to take time to repair
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Seeking immediate gratification is what leads mediocrity. It's what this franchise has been doing for the last 2 decades.

As the Stros have proven patience is the key building dynasty's.

Give me some of that.
 
steelbtexan said:
Seeking immediate gratification is what leads mediocrity. It's what this franchise has been doing for the last 2 decades.

As the Stros have proven patience is the key building dynasty's.

Give me some of that.
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Yeah give me that training team or two to get a team built over 5 years
 
who do yall think nick wants is the question ..???? im guessing someone thats like mills ...so jimmy g carr or levis or any qb like that
 
Mr teX said:
Lovie’s getting cleared out no matter what imo. Latest he’ll be here is after the 2023 season…..unless………. Pep get cleared out after this year by NC…which is highly likely. In which case Lovie COULD then possibly stay past 2023 if NC can get that young progressive OC to come in and man the offense & develops the offensive system around Young.
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what about TCU OC Garrett Riley as OC for Houston and Young? Bryce has more touch and accuracy as well as most everything else than Duggan? Drafting TCU Quentin Johnston as WR would be good for both Young and Riley. This would allow us more leverage in Head coach who could be defensive or offensive minded.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
The thing I keep coming back to in my mind is that if Tua can succeed at a high level, Bryce surely can as well in the right system. Like Tua, not the biggest guy or arm (although I think Bryce's arm is a bit better than Tuas), but he's accurate and is excellent at anticipation throw to spots. And unlike Tua, he can buy time when the pocket breaks down and make play out of structure like a Mahomes. Always going to have to accept the injury risk though.

Too bad Bryce is small because if he was 6'3+ and 220lbs, he would be called 'generational'.
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I am liking 35 yards in air passes over 6'4" defenders for a TD.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
For sure, that would be ideal. I can see why the club may not want to fire 2 African American coaches at once, given the way the current climate is. At least we can see the defense making strides and players like Pitre and Harris developing well in front of us. The defense scheme seems to have adjusted and Lovie is a good mentor type of coach. At least give me the OC and new system with the shiny new toys. I can live with this.
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How about kicking Lovie upstairs to continue to be "player oriented"? He seems well like by players and fans in that regard.
 
badboy said:
How about kicking Lovie upstairs to continue to be "player oriented"? He seems well like by players and fans in that regard.
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I don't think Lovie is going to be the HC. However, I definitely think that he will be involved with the team in some way. Office position? Advisor role to Cal? Which is not an awful idea seeing minus playing Madden, Cal has never run a team. He may have sucked at Madden too for all we know. Maybe as a defense scout or Advisor to the DC. Could work.
 
33% completion over 20yrds. A interesting stat, for Bryce Young. Issues with identifying the correct WR in coverage, another issue. Not making the correct decision on multiple post snap reads.

Been watching some film and it is really interesting at things that are being over looked due to amazing numbers. However, you have to look at all the numbers and the ability to do things like read a D pre and post snap.
 
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