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Will Anderson vs Jalen Carter

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beerlover

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We all know what is about to happen, Texans are going to knock the snot out of the Colts, ensuring the #2 slot in the draft (all part of steelbtexan plot to wait until 2024 NFL draft to select a franchise QB) so it comes down to these two fantastic defensive blue-chip prospects. Great Peach Bowl Match-up between Ohio State and Georgia & Alabama vs Kansas State in the Sugar Bowl.

I personally have no dog in the game so may the best man become a Texan. What I'm confused about who Caserio/Lovie would prefer? Having passed (2022) on DE Kayvon Thibodeaux #3 overall and DT Jordan Davis @ #13? Will Anderson, doesn't have the bend but he is stronger and more well-rounded either 4-3 or 3-4. So regardless is probably the leading player but Carter is elite in his own right, maybe more dominant inside than Will is outside. It is a matter of opinion suppose does elite edge trump elite interior pass rusher I really can't say, so I'm reaching out for opinions on who Texans fans would prefer to be the pick. Don't think either one would be a miss.
 
beerlover said:
We all know what is about to happen, Texans are going to knock the snot out of the Colts, ensuring the #2 slot in the draft (all part of steelbtexan plot to wait until 2024 NFL draft to select a franchise QB) so it comes down to these two fantastic defensive blue-chip prospects. Great Peach Bowl Match-up between Ohio State and Georgia & Alabama vs Kansas State in the Sugar Bowl.

I personally have no dog in the game so may the best man become a Texan. What I'm confused about who Caserio/Lovie would prefer? Having passed (2022) on DE Kayvon Thibodeaux #3 overall and DT Jordan Davis @ #13? Will Anderson, doesn't have the bend but he is stronger and more well-rounded either 4-3 or 3-4. So regardless is probably the leading player but Carter is elite in his own right, maybe more dominant inside than Will is outside. It is a matter of opinion suppose does elite edge trump elite interior pass rusher I really can't say, so I'm reaching out for opinions on who Texans fans would prefer to be the pick. Don't think either one would be a miss.
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Like I've said before, you want to solidify your DL/OL for the next 5 years then pick Carter 1-1 and Verse 1-15. Then come back in the 3rd and a guy like Beebe/Mauck/Stromberg etc... Should be there.

If I was in Caserio's shoes.y mock would look something like this,

1-1 Carter.
1-15 Johnston
1-25 Trading up from 2-32 and Cooks. Washington.
3-65 Beebe
3-80 Stromberg.

This team would be tougher and add the much needed speed outside.

Sign Minshew and draft a QB in 2024.
 
beerlover said:
We all know what is about to happen, Texans are going to knock the snot out of the Colts, ensuring the #2 slot in the draft (all part of steelbtexan plot to wait until 2024 NFL draft to select a franchise QB) so it comes down to these two fantastic defensive blue-chip prospects. Great Peach Bowl Match-up between Ohio State and Georgia & Alabama vs Kansas State in the Sugar Bowl.

I personally have no dog in the game so may the best man become a Texan. What I'm confused about who Caserio/Lovie would prefer? Having passed (2022) on DE Kayvon Thibodeaux #3 overall and DT Jordan Davis @ #13? Will Anderson, doesn't have the bend but he is stronger and more well-rounded either 4-3 or 3-4. So regardless is probably the leading player but Carter is elite in his own right, maybe more dominant inside than Will is outside. It is a matter of opinion suppose does elite edge trump elite interior pass rusher I really can't say, so I'm reaching out for opinions on who Texans fans would prefer to be the pick. Don't think either one would be a miss.
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This is what I hope happens so Caserio will be forced to pick one of Anderson or Carter.
 
Carter. The team has talent on the edge and more picks to find another later to go along with Hughes, Greenard and Ogbo. They have not been as successful on the interior DL and have missed a dominant interior presence since they decided not to pay Reader.

Plus Carter’s impact inside makes the edge rusher’s job even easier. And the LBs in run defense. Need a dominant 3T to get this defense where it needs to be.
 
JB said:
I would have to consider who is the next best at each position I could get if I took the other. If I took Carter, who is the best edge that would probably be available at value? And if I took Anderson which DT?

Where is the value?
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Interior disruptor/QB nightmare is rarest of the rare.
Very patient, diagnosing the play then sheds with ease, requires double team. Generational thrown around too much yet that’s exactly what he is.

Merry Christmas 🎁
 
beerlover said:
We all know what is about to happen, Texans are going to knock the snot out of the Colts, ensuring the #2 slot in the draft (all part of steelbtexan plot to wait until 2024 NFL draft to select a franchise QB) so it comes down to these two fantastic defensive blue-chip prospects. Great Peach Bowl Match-up between Ohio State and Georgia & Alabama vs Kansas State in the Sugar Bowl.

I personally have no dog in the game so may the best man become a Texan. What I'm confused about who Caserio/Lovie would prefer? Having passed (2022) on DE Kayvon Thibodeaux #3 overall and DT Jordan Davis @ #13? Will Anderson, doesn't have the bend but he is stronger and more well-rounded either 4-3 or 3-4. So regardless is probably the leading player but Carter is elite in his own right, maybe more dominant inside than Will is outside. It is a matter of opinion suppose does elite edge trump elite interior pass rusher I really can't say, so I'm reaching out for opinions on who Texans fans would prefer to be the pick. Don't think either one would be a miss.
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I don't think it will matter much if Texans pick #2 over Chicago bc they are sticking with Fields. Unless of course they trade down for someone who really wants Young... But then again, if the Texans really want Young perhaps they swap #1/#2 with Chicago who plays the leverage game.

Regardless, I still think the net result is that the Texans take Young.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Carter. The team has talent on the edge and more picks to find another later to go along with Hughes, Greenard and Ogbo. They have not been as successful on the interior DL and have missed a dominant interior presence since they decided not to pay Reader.

Plus Carter’s impact inside makes the edge rusher’s job even easier. And the LBs in run defense. Need a dominant 3T to get this defense where it needs to be.
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Draft Carter and Johnston, then use 32 and 75 to trade back into the 1st for Verse.
 
Wonder why Caserio asking price @ deadline for Cooks so high?
Houston wanted second and fourth-round picks in exchange for Cooks, per ESPN's Adam Schefter. Teams were unwilling to part with the draft picks and also take on Cooks' fully guaranteed $18 million salary for 2023.Nov 3, 2022
 
beerlover said:
Wonder why Caserio asking price @ deadline for Cooks so high?
Houston wanted second and fourth-round picks in exchange for Cooks, per ESPN's Adam Schefter. Teams were unwilling to part with the draft picks and also take on Cooks' fully guaranteed $18 million salary for 2023.Nov 3, 2022
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Well you don’t get it if you don’t ask…I would’ve taken the 2nd and 4th straight up, but i wont kill him for trying to get some of that guaranteed money taken care of too. There was really nothing lost b/c that trade didn’t go thru anyway.
 
beerlover said:
We all know what is about to happen, Texans are going to knock the snot out of the Colts, ensuring the #2 slot in the draft (all part of steelbtexan plot to wait until 2024 NFL draft to select a franchise QB)
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Texans are going to have to fall to #3 or later. Young & Stroud are going 1&2
 
JB said:
I would have to consider who is the next best at each position I could get if I took the other. If I took Carter, who is the best edge that would probably be available at value? And if I took Anderson which DT?

Where is the value?
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Uugghhhh…

I prefer the Texans do like they did last year. A defense 1st round, an offense 1st round.

We need skill positions. WR/TE…
 
JB said:
I wouldn't complain but I don't know if Robinson makes it to Cleveland pick
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Remember 2019?

23rd overall pick?

Texans should have traded back (expecting Andre Dillard, but Eagles jumped ahead before Texans pick) but this was dysfunctional war room, O’Brian stabbing Gaine in the back and wanting total control & takeover which he got. So Texans selected Tytus Howard. Josh Jacobs went next to Raiders but plenty of firepower to be found later, in AJ Brown, Deebo Samual, Miles Sanders, DK Metcalf and Marquise Brown to name a few.
 
I'm of the opinion that you take Anderson with the first pick. He can be plugged in at OLB & also brought up to put his hand in the dirt next to Hughes or Greenard in blitz packages. He's a solid run defender & athletic enough to drop back in passing situations, not to mention he's strong enough to handle most TE's coming across the middle. If Cleveland's pick somehow ends up in the top 5-6 (keeping my fingers crossed), I'd take Bresee. Bresee is a high motor player with a very strong inside game against the run & getting to the QB. I'm taking Schmitz from Minnesota (the best center in this class) in the second round & Emil Ekiyor Jr (RG) from Alabama with the first pick in the 3rd. Those four picks would go a long way towards plugging the gapping holes in the middle of the defensive & offensive lines, in my opinion of course.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Carter. The team has talent on the edge and more picks to find another later to go along with Hughes, Greenard and Ogbo. They have not been as successful on the interior DL and have missed a dominant interior presence since they decided not to pay Reader.

Plus Carter’s impact inside makes the edge rusher’s job even easier. And the LBs in run defense. Need a dominant 3T to get this defense where it needs to be.
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Carter isn't it. I would draft Anderson before Carter any and everyday. Carter has shown too many times to get put on his back by average prospect. I don't know what tape people are watching because he's been Clowney-ish when I watched him. I'm talking not turning protection and getting handled. I'm not against taking a d-lineman, just not Carter in any capacity. He isn't slippery and only has a straight bull which is easily negated. People will say he was a beast when he he had all those other 1st rd talents the year before, but this year and this tape, he's been average. Anderson can bend and has power. At the very least, Anderson is Robert Quinn.
 
JB said:
Who helps the team the most?
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Seattle (03 & 12) or Detroit (07 & 18) if they decide a QB1 is their top priority in the draft. The only (2) teams holding (2) RD1 bargaining chips. Seattle would sit tight until word started spreading that Detroit may want to trade up to the 1st pick….that could wind up netting the Texans (3) RD1 picks. Those wouldn’t be horrible picks since they could all come inside the 18th pick.
 
I'm thinking the Texans win out against the Jags Sunday and the Colts to close out the season, ending with a 4-12-1 season.

Chicago will likely lose out to the Lions and Vikings.

Denver will likely lose out to the Chiefs and Chargers.

Arizonia is a question mark, and has a chance of beating the 5-10 Falcons on Sunday, then closing out the season with a lose to the 49ers.

So if the Cards win, the Texans would end up at 1.3. If the Cards lose, they end up at 1.3 with a 4-13 record.

So there's a good chance the Texans end up with 1.4 - if their strength of schedule is weaker than the 4-12-1 Colts record.
 
beerlover said:
CJ Stroud & Bijan Robinson.
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It's funny you said that. Two or three months ago, I saw back to back interviews with those two young men. I almost cried ! You think of every single positive thing you could say about a fine young man, player not withstanding, They were perfect .... not just everything you wanted to hear .... but perfect ! I've only ever heard one other as impressive, and that was Saquon Barkley ! All three were unscripted .... completely impromptu .... and simply beautiful. I can remember thinking, "Well good .... on to round two !
 
justmy2cents said:
It's funny you said that. Two or three months ago, I saw back to back interviews with those two young men. I almost cried ! You think of every single positive thing you could say about a fine young man, player not withstanding, They were perfect .... not just everything you wanted to hear .... but perfect ! I've only ever heard one other as impressive, and that was Saquon Barkley ! All three were unscripted .... completely impromptu .... and simply beautiful. I can remember thinking, "Well good .... on to round two !
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Interview left indelible impression on me as well. Just did a mock where Texans traded down with Carolina and picked up CJ Stroud there along with their 2nd round pick this year, 2024 & 2025. If they both hit that will require large portions of salary cap, so layered them with less expensive but 50/50 starting caliber players three years running to build a solid foundation for the future. Then went heavy in the trenches both defensively and offensively. We're getting glimpses now of what Lovie likes, physical play & challenging opponents all three levels. That doesn't require multiple top tier players, just a few @ key positions & a ton of capable/willing bodies.
 
If Texans want Will Anderson, worthy #1 opposed to Bryce Young, both deserving/requiring #1 overall pick (based on bpa and teams need selecting top of the board) so, if Caserio/Lovie go in either direction I'd be fine with them. Texans just got a whole lot better. What worries me is what they do with next pick acquired from Cleveland. Do they trade back again and bypass bpa and stick to need? Or balance defense/offense based off what they do with that first pick? I haven't trusted brain trust on Kirby since 2002 draft so not 100% confident in their process. Chargers fans have a term for it called Chargering! So lets not rinse and repeat Texaning!
 
beerlover said:
Interview left indelible impression on me as well. Just did a mock where Texans traded down with Carolina and picked up CJ Stroud there along with their 2nd round pick this year, 2024 & 2025. If they both hit that will require large portions of salary cap, so layered them with less expensive but 50/50 starting caliber players three years running to build a solid foundation for the future. Then went heavy in the trenches both defensively and offensively. We're getting glimpses now of what Lovie likes, physical play & challenging opponents all three levels. That doesn't require multiple top tier players, just a few @ key positions & a ton of capable/willing bodies.
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Speaking of trenches, have you ever seen a franchise with a great offensive line - fail ? I don't think I have ! We'll need to wait for all-star games, combine and pro day results, but I don't see much OLine help in this draft. The kid from Northwestern has hustle that reminds me of Quinn Meinertz out of Whitewater year before last, or Trevor Penning from last year. But he's got 32" arms and 6'4" .... would love to see him at guard for us, but he'll be long gone - because of the shortage. Like you said, Lovie is satisfied with willing bodies .... so we'll hurt the ones we love !
 
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I just don’t see it with Anderson. The explosiveness…the bend doesn’t appear to be all that great, just ok as a pass rusher & I don’t see him doing very well if asked to drop in coverage. seems that his best attribute is that he’s a good run defender at 250 lbs…


leebigeztx said:
Carter isn't it. I would draft Anderson before Carter any and everyday. Carter has shown too many times to get put on his back by average prospect. I don't know what tape people are watching because he's been Clowney-ish when I watched him. I'm talking not turning protection and getting handled. I'm not against taking a d-lineman, just not Carter in any capacity. He isn't slippery and only has a straight bull which is easily negated. People will say he was a beast when he he had all those other 1st rd talents the year before, but this year and this tape, he's been average. Anderson can bend and has power. At the very least, Anderson is Robert Quinn.
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Carter doesn’t just have a bull rush. He has a swim move as well. The video posted by Beerlover shows that. He just looks like a kid coasting on his talent alone;i.e. unpolished. Not uncommon for a kid as talented as him. You take him, teach him some technique & get him stronger, he’s a game wrecker..on the level of a Lovie draft pick in Tommie Harris. don’t know if Lovie and his crew are the guys you want trying to coach him up but to me he’s the better of the 2 prospects imo.

Of course all this is moot imo..if we keep the #1 overall pick, we’re taking a qb…
 
Mr teX said:
I just don’t see it with Anderson. The explosiveness…the bend doesn’t appear to be all that great, just ok as a pass rusher & I don’t see him doing very well if asked to drop in coverage. seems that his best attribute is that he’s a good run defender at 250 lbs…





Carter doesn’t just have a bull rush. He has a swim move as well. The video posted by Beerlover shows that. He just looks like a kid coasting on his talent alone;i.e. unpolished. Not uncommon for a kid as talented as him. You take him, teach him some technique & get him stronger, he’s a game wrecker..on the level of a Lovie draft pick in Tommie Harris. don’t know if Lovie and his crew are the guys you want trying to coach him up but to me he’s the better of the 2 prospects imo.

Of course all this is moot imo..if we keep the #1 overall pick, we’re taking a qb…
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really nothing against either prospect its just that positional value thing of franchise QB's. Yet now we have to be prepared in case Texans win another game or two and no longer hold cards with #1 overall pick. hedging our bets. I'd agree with both your points however, Will Anderson lacks bend to maintain his balance but otherwise is very similar to Kahli Mack. Carter is so dominant he just stacks and sheds while diagnosing play. Remember talking about Tommy Smith for Texans (was it 2004?) think he went to Bears and Lovie Smith? Anyway Carter is a much thicker and as explosive interior 3 tech, just lacks same motor as Tommy (more of a size issue to me than anything else). He can swim and spin but prefers to just manhandle, so Lovie would definitely be putting his touches on Jalen to round out his tools.

As I've said multiple times, prefer CJ in a trade down with most return (Carolina) just so many needs and all Texans really need is a game mananger with plus arm and accuracy that also has proven leadership skills.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Seattle (03 & 12) or Detroit (07 & 18) if they decide a QB1 is their top priority in the draft. The only (2) teams holding (2) RD1 bargaining chips. Seattle would sit tight until word started spreading that Detroit may want to trade up to the 1st pick….that could wind up netting the Texans (3) RD1 picks. Those wouldn’t be horrible picks since they could all come inside the 18th pick.
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Thanks for the answer to a question I didn't ask
 
beerlover said:
really nothing against either prospect its just that positional value thing of franchise QB's. Yet now we have to be prepared in case Texans win another game or two and no longer hold cards with #1 overall pick. hedging our bets. I'd agree with both your points however, Will Anderson lacks bend to maintain his balance but otherwise is very similar to Kahli Mack. Carter is so dominant he just stacks and sheds while diagnosing play. Remember talking about Tommy Smith for Texans (was it 2004?) think he went to Bears and Lovie Smith? Anyway Carter is a much thicker and as explosive interior 3 tech, just lacks same motor as Tommy (more of a size issue to me than anything else). He can swim and spin but prefers to just manhandle, so Lovie would definitely be putting his touches on Jalen to round out his tools.

As I've said multiple times, prefer CJ in a trade down with most return (Carolina) just so many needs and all Texans really need is a game mananger with plus arm and accuracy that also has proven leadership skills.
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pair even an unpolished Carter with Collins and you’ve got a problem as an offensive coordinator.

Not sure you get that potential synergistic effect if you take Anderson b/c chances are he’d be expected to be THE guy producing the pass rush & it Would be a fools errand to depend on Greenard at this point considering he’s missed significant time each of his 2 seasons. and at this stage in his career, you can’t really depend on Hughes..if he’s even back here next year.
 
JB said:
Philadelphia
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Don't see laser focused high investment here? they whiffed on our boy Andre Dillion 2019 one pick ahead of Texans.

They hit major on a 7th round pick Jordan Mailata. Landon Dickerson fell because of medical red flags, so was moved from Center (knees and back) to LG and they drafted another Center next year also in 2nd round Cam Jurgans but most importantly they have a very physical, mobile, RB playing QB in Jalen Hurts. Now I do like the size and physicality of those players taken, so those traits need to be a focus, but no way did they take an OG early as #15th to accomplish that.
 
beerlover said:
Don't see laser focused high investment here? they whiffed on our boy Andre Dillion 2019 one pick ahead of Texans.

They hit major on a 7th round pick Jordan Mailata. Landon Dickerson fell because of medical red flags, so was moved from Center (knees and back) to LG and they drafted another Center next year also in 2nd round Cam Jurgans but most importantly they have a very physical, mobile, RB playing QB in Jalen Hurts. Now I do like the size and physicality of those players taken, so those traits need to be a focus, but no way did they take an OG early as #15th to accomplish that.
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They also had the best center in the game
 
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