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Will Anderson vs Jalen Carter
- Thread starter beerlover
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If Kelce isn't the best, who is?
edit: So Kelce is getting a bit older, at the time I was talking of he was the best
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Think what you’re looking for is continuity. Very important for OL but especially Center position, who makes line calls. I’ll give him that. Which is just another reason it’s so important, so important especially if Texans go QB high, to get the most important complimentary position (center) addressed. To build that trust and continuity.
Every mock I entertain has me targeting best available in the 2nd round (Schmitz-Minnesota w/Bryce Young, Wypler- CJ Stroud Ohio State).
Someone find one DT taken in the top 5 of the draft with as little production as Jalen Carter. Just one. So there would be some baseline of debate that this guy could blossom as a pro and prove worthy of his draft slot.
Just one.
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Just one.
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Why the different centers for the different QB?
He's a unicorn?
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Initially thinking from continuity viewpoint (familiarity/system) but doesn’t really matter. What’s important as a rookie, is experience against high level of competition. Also 2nd rd. BPA will be @ different position, quality centers should last until 3rd/4th therefore Schmitz should go before Wypler. Maybe Ricky Stromberg in the 4th.
What I'm hoping for is
1-1 Carter
1-11 Johnson
1-21 after trading up using 2-32 and Cooks, Verse or Wilson.
3 star level players, IMHO and you could pick a couple of IOL in the 3rd and the team would look a lot better.
What I would really like is in addition to these moves draft Beebe and Mauck in the 3rd after spending the money to sign Bradbury in FA.
That's championship level young trench play on both sides of the ball. Something that's been missing for a long time down on Kirby. Good thing is this isn't pie in the sky type thinking. This can be done.
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leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
You can't and we're not even talking HOF guys like Sapp, Cortez, to name a couple. Look at Tommie Harris,Gerald McCoy, or Suh and go look at what they did in college without the same horses playing with Carter. Suh was, who wasn't a huh sack guys that never seen a trap block was dominant. McCoy and Harris were dominant,inside pass rush guys. Fletcher Cox and Chris Jones are guys who pressed the pocket in the run game and got sacks in pass game. I just don't see Carter as one of those types, but I've been wrong before. Lovie needs that 3 technique to be not only a disruptor, but a pressure/sack guy. Nick may want a more run stuffing guy based on his time in NE.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Tackles; tackles for loss and QB pressures is what I want to see.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Tuli tuipulotu is a disruptor and 12.5 sacks and round 2. I'm hoping Schmitz falls to third round.
Lining up a DL that looks like this would be awesome.
Rd.1 Carter
Rd.1 Johnston
Rd.1 after trading 2-32 and Cooks to move into rd. 1.
DE's O/Greenard/Hughes/Addison/Verse
DT's Collins/Carter/Hinish/Lopez/Green/Stallworth.
That's 11 on the DL with a lot of depth and playmakers.
Yes
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Interior disruptor/QB nightmare is rarest of the rare.
Very patient, diagnosing the play then sheds with ease, requires double team. Generational thrown around too much yet that’s exactly what he is.
Merry Christmas
I am still mad they didn't retain Reader - Texans have found a few decent guys over the years and decide they can't or won't pay them - makes you wonder why you go through the process of finding, drafting/coaching them only to let them go?
Justin Reid is another recent one.
I am on the fence with Carter - I know he is good, but there is a good chance to find another Reader or decent IDL deeper in the draft.
This is why if they have a choice between WA or their top QB, it will be one of these.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Or Richardson. I think he is worth a shot. Sit him behind a vet for a year and see how he looks.
I like the look of WA or JC/QJ and AR.
That would be a nice top three picks.
Who plays on the DL with Carter this year. Robert Beal who I hope the Texans use a 5th or 6th on is the only guy I know and I've watched a good bit of Georgia this year. Nolan Smith but he's been hurt.
No way I pick Richardson that high. In fact I wouldn't pick him before the 3rd and that's only if I already had a QB like LJ or Fields. It's going to take him 2-3 yrs to develop and by that time if he's not drafted in the first rd then he will be looking for a new contract. Hard pass on Richardson. Who's his agent?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Dunno.
I get the cautious approach, but you never know.
I too would feel better about drafting a project since we dont seem to have the coaching staff to bring a rookie along but we gotta take a shot and next draft may be no better.
At least Richardson has played against SEC competition.
badboy
Hall of Fame
And he did not play well Overall.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Meh...
Sure he is green, but that is why you sit him behind a vet for a season or so.
His biggest knock is his decision making but that is just lack of experience.
Btw, this report is well worth a read - he definitely has upside.
I could definitely see him in a Panthers uni in a year or so.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
Sounds like a great athlete. However those weaknesses in the link you provided seem to overwhelm the strengths as it relates to being a QB. Yes he could grow but that potential would mean 4th rd or later for me. He really needed to stay in school to get more experience and better production, but I understand everyone's situation is different.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Yeah he could definitely benefit from staying in school or, sitting behind a vet for a season or so.
Two if he needs time.
I think a QB room with
Vet (insert name)
Mills
Richardson
...while not ideal, is an improvement over what we have now.
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Maybe Richardson could develop into something resembling an NFL QB. If he is coached by a Payton, Shanny, or Reid. If you do not have a guy like that, you're wasting a draft pick.
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Give Hooker 2023 on the sideline and in the box with coaches while recuperating. Vet and Mills hold the fort down in 2023 and Hooker enters the fray in 2024.
That's really not saying much
badboy
Hall of Fame
Green? Hasn't Richardson had approximately same college play time as Young and Stroud? I am not as assured that his decision making is lack of experience or lack of ability. That decision making is where Young excels.
My opinion and almost every one of those that I refer to have panthers locked in to will Levis and hopefully leads them to trade up with Houston.
My opinion is Richardson was advised that he would not get substantially better in college and his best financial course was to hope someone drafted him and fake it while he makes it; as long as that may be.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I would have advised Richardson at the reported 4.4 speed & with his size to bulk up and try to be a tight end.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Hooker looks okay too.
I was under the impression he was underdone as far as games goes.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Who played with Suh or McCoy? He should be alot more disruptive and impactful regardless of who is playing along side of him. Lets not act like there aren't talented guys on that Georgia dline either.
Jared Crick for one.
I asked because I honestly don't know.
We will never agree on Carter, I see one thing and you see another.
Stroud and Young have each had a full season as the locked in starter more than Richardson. So literally twice as much game time.
And you think that those in Richardson's trusted circle - his coaches, agent, family, mentor(s) - told him he just can't get much better and he may as well just try and cash in before he's 'found out'. You honestly believe that would take place for a top end athlete in that kind of competitive world of aiming as big as one can?
Perhaps you were just having a laugh with that idea and I just didn't get it, and that's all well and good..
badboy
Hall of Fame
Well of course his family isn't going to say anything but ice cream and cherry pie. His trusted inner circle would have said something like
" you will not get better with college coaching. Get drafted hoping for a team that has tremendous coach and can allow you to sit. Earn NFL $ in mean time. "
What he wants to hear not what he needs. AR reminds me of these singing talent shows; sometimes someone just needs to tell 'em truth.
Top end athlete is where we disagree.
I only included the family as one example among an assortment. But I'd certainly agree they'd likely - hopefully - have his best interests in mind.
I suppose he was told he'd get drafted earlier than later and the money would be worth it versus potential injury.
As for 'top end athlete' if you think a kid in the rarest percentile like Richardson isn't one of those I can't imagine how high a bar you have for such a thing. And I'm not suggesting elite qb or surefire nfl starter or anything like that. Just opposed to the general athlete population he's without a doubt on the high side of tremendous athletic participants. My only point with that word phrasing is those people don't tend to listen to advice short of what they can do to maximize on what they have to attempt to be the absolute best of the best rather than 'faking it' for a quick cash return.
leebigeztx
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Yep, won't be the 1st time or the last. Time will tell like with Walker in Jax
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I think he should've stayed in school or maybe he's designated to one of the spring football leagues
That's not something you can go by. Compare them to other players at their position
The book isn't finished on Walker.
Hottoddie
Veteran
Gervon Dexter vs Jalen Carter. I guess I'm not seeing what all the love for Carter is. I watched right guard Tashawn Manning stonewall Carter all day long in the Kentucky game. It got to where Carter wasn't even trying to get past Manning. He ended up moving to the right side of the defense to finally start getting some tackles. And, Manning is being projected as an UDFA by many. Personally, I think Manning could be a sleeper in this draft. Keep an eye on him to start rising.
I don't think there is a player in the draft that didn't have a bad game or two. I'll go with what the pro scouts say
leebigeztx
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The lsu guard was handling him also. Oregon guards also.
How can Carolina be locked in on Levis when they haven't hired a head coach, yet?
The pro scouts or the internet scouts? How do we know what pro scouts are saying right now?
badboy
Hall of Fame
You and others imo are focusing on the "athletic" part for Richardson while his play and stats says he is long way from being a top 15 QB. Other than potential what area is he in "rarest percentile"? Not arguing with you just trying to see what you see.
badboy
Hall of Fame
for run stoppers total tackles but more so on solo tackles tells something but for QB disruptors; which both are purported to be; I want a break down of QB pressures; not just sacks.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I think many would say Panthers didn't have much as HC when owner David Tepper was after Watson. You do not have to have a head coach to bring info on players to GM and in Carolina's case Tepper. Most mocks I see have Young, Stroud and Levis top 5. Just my read of all info I have gathered that if drafting a QB round 1 the following teams most likely would draft:
Bryce Young = Texans and Seattle much less likely Lions
JC Stroud = Lions, Colts and Raiders
Will Levis = Panthers, Colts and Raiders
I literally made a very specific point to say that I wasn't at all trying to label him a top tier qb.
The point about top end athlete applied to his competitive nature in respect to your saying he likely got advice to just 'fake it'.. like I said in my previous post.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Okay this is what I responded to:
I'm not interested in Richardson nor do I think Texans are so I am moving on.
I'm not questioning the mocks you've seen. I'm sure I have seen many of those mocks. But they are just mocks. It's not even the offseason, yet. Who will be on the Texans coaching staff? The Colts or the Panthers? That will make a big difference in regards to which players they like the most. Not to mention we haven't had the combine, interviews, pro days.
C'mon, man. There's no way anyone can say So & so team is "locked in" on any player at this point.