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Fire Lovie Smith!
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TexansBull
Hall of Fame
The browns went from Hue Jackson to Gregg Williams (interim after Jackson fired) to Freddie Kitchens to Kevin Stefanski from 2018 to 2020.
The Texans went from OB to Romeo (interim) to Culley to Lovie.
I am sensing a pattern…
SeriousShizzle
Rookie
Will not watch if he is HC. Pepe too......... execution is a huge problem. Thats their fault.
I think the McNairs will hate the optics of another HC firing, but the optics of a 1 win season is even worse for overall marketing and ticket/merch sales.
Houston fans need a freash sacrifice to the football gods, and maybe a new HC and new 1.1 QB will start to get fans interested in the franchise again. JMO
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Expecting good decisions out of the Texans hierarchy always brings disappointment.
austins23
Hall of Fame
I've mentioned lots of times that I want a Conrad Dobler, nail eating, eye gouging, pissed off, strong type linemen. The kind that take it personal when the QB gets hit. Not just sacked but hit!
I would love to see a HC of the Texans have similar traits. One that will tell the player, hey you screwed up, yell at him and coach him up at the same time. Take it personal that his team is getting boat raced, because after all, that is his product that is on the field.
Lovie looks lifeless, like he just doesn't care.
Kubs yelled at the officials now and again.
OB just yelled because he thought that is what he was supposed to do. "Back to Back Brian!"
Fire Lovie
I would love to see a HC of the Texans have similar traits. One that will tell the player, hey you screwed up, yell at him and coach him up at the same time. Take it personal that his team is getting boat raced, because after all, that is his product that is on the field.
Lovie looks lifeless, like he just doesn't care.
Kubs yelled at the officials now and again.
OB just yelled because he thought that is what he was supposed to do. "Back to Back Brian!"
Fire Lovie
No way do I fire Lovie without dumping Nick. Else we just have year 3 of clustermuck HC interviews. No decent HC will work under Nick. Lovie and Nick are tied at the hip. One goes down, the other is right behind.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Yes please and thank you.
A totally clean slate might be nice if you can trust Cal to bring in a competent GM and then get out of his way. Because I don't think Cal is going to be replaced... dagnabbit!
So Caserio didn't hire Lovie but they're tied at the hip?
Having 1-1 plus a boatload of picks in the future assures that plenty of qualified guys will want this job.
Gannon wanted the job last yr but refused to keep Lovie on staff.
My top 5 guys are.
1. Kalfka
2. LaFluer
3. Gannon
4. Reich, I think he would take this job in a heartbeat.
I dont think Cal will allow Caserio to hire 5. Ryans.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
Your 1, 2, 3 and 5 are kinda green but I'm not averse to that line of thought. Your #4 is a hard no, Reich as a HC was making boneheaded decisions from day 1. From your list, I favor Mike LaFleur. I just wonder if Cal will trust Caserio to bring in a relatively young or inexperienced HC without forcing someone more seasoned to be on the staff.
vtech9
All Pro
I haven't really narrowed it down yet, but I would start with Jonathan Gannon, Shane Steichen, Ken Dorsey, Joe Brady, DeMeco Ryans, Kellen Moore, Dan Quinn, and Mike Kafka. Do you expect Green Bay to fire Matt LaFleur?
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
I think he is referencing his brother, Mike LaFleur who is the OC for the Jets. I forgot about Ken Dorsey, I'd be onboard with him too.
vtech9
All Pro
ahhh...I forgot about Mike LaFleur. I'd interview him too. I'd also add 'Phins OC Frank Smith to the interview list.
The NFL world won’t follow your logic of Texans inter dynamics. They see the obvious. 2 years, 2 fired head coaches.
Yes, those draft picks make the Texans more attractive than they would normally be. But that won’t override the instability of the organization. Something has to change to at least create the possibility for stability. And cleaning house is a start.
O’Brien begat Easterby who begat Caserio. Time to take out the trash, once and for all.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I don’t know how true it is - but I like the idea.
Demeco is at the top of my list. 2nd is any other coach younger than 60 years old.
TripleTap
Dead Wood
Keeping Lovie is kiss of death. He’s a lovely man but has no business running a 2023 NFL team. You could keep him as an advisor to our new head coach, or in some other advisory capacity, but that’s it. You’re really keeping him for the optics, and, of course, the beard. The beard is a classic.
But for the football team we probably need a cutting edge HC and a similarly up to date and inventive OC. Not to mention a genius DC.
So, well, let’s get that done soonest, OK?
But for the football team we probably need a cutting edge HC and a similarly up to date and inventive OC. Not to mention a genius DC.
So, well, let’s get that done soonest, OK?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Why would he want to come back here? And why would the Texans want to hire someone who sued them?
Why would he want to come back here?
Money and there are only 32 of these jobs available in the world. Passing up an opportunity now does not guarantee an offer in the future.
And why would the Texans want to hire someone who sued them?
Why would Cal hug Deshaun Watson when the Browns came here? Same answer. He doesn't hold a grudge and anyone else involved with that lawsuit is long gone. Plus, it was just business, nothing personal.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Byron Leftwich was the hot name one year. He passed n the jags to find a better situation.
The luster has faded and he may not get another chance. Or an easy hire process.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Has Gannon ever commented on his preference for an offensive scheme, if he were to be hired as a HC?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
ive got no clue. Im sure he and NC talked about it during his interviews here. All i know is he ain’t Lovie.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
True but the Texans job, if there is a vacancy that is, won’t be the only job available.
LMAO
The Texans won't be hurting for quality candidates, regardless of how much you hate on Caserio.
You don't think Reich or Munchak wouldn't take this job in a heartbeat id Caserio wanted to go the retread route.
NFL insiders as you say, know that Cal made the Lovie call and if Caserio tells agents this is his hire, I bet Gannon will be back on the hiring table.
His brother the 49ers OC.
But according to Lucky Caserio won't be able to hire a qualified HC.
Gannon wanted the job last yr without Lovie.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Brother I don’t think this will ever happen.
If Caserio was thinking about a coaching change, which he should be (but I don't trust him to hire a competent coach) even he has no idea who it will be.
I don't see him thinking Demeco. He don't know him.
He should have a list of guys he's interested in. No favorite. Then he should bring them in, interview them, deliberate, then make a decision.
Mike LaFluer is the OC of the Jets and doesn't look all that impressive
Mangler
Toro de España
That guy clearly said a national guy told him that “Demeco is likely at the top of Caserio’s list.” This literally means nothing! It’s like you and I saying the same thing.
Texansballer74
The Marine
It’s an assumption a rumor.
Porky
Hall of Fame
I'd only give it maybe a 20% chance of happening, but I want Nick gone. Assuming my odds hold up, then I want Lovie fired, along with the vast majority of the staff. I'm giving that about 50/50 odds right now.
I want to do whatever it takes to keep Frank Ross here. His ST units are among the best in the NFL and it's the only unit on the team that actually performs consistently as a top 10 unit.
What happens with these pieces impacts my thinking with the draft. If Lovie is around, I'm in the trade the 1.1 pick camp (if we draft at 1.1) and moving down the board...if possible. And no QB in the first round, especially with the first selection. I know it takes two to tango so easier said than done. I'm then looking at a Max Duggan or maybe Richardson or even Hooker in the middle rounds to see what sticks there. Or even take a Will Levis with the Cleveland selection. All of these guys will need plenty of development time, and if we hire a better staff after the 23 season, perhaps they can mold an offense around the guy and see if lightning can strike.
If we do fire Lovie and Pep and we actually bring in an innovative offensive mind, then my first choice is Bryce at 1.1. If you don't like him (speaking to Nick) then trade down and see if you can get either C.J. Stroud or Levis. Stroud might have the highest floor, I just don't know how high his ceiling is. To me, Young and Levis have higher upside, albeit with higher risk.
I want to do whatever it takes to keep Frank Ross here. His ST units are among the best in the NFL and it's the only unit on the team that actually performs consistently as a top 10 unit.
What happens with these pieces impacts my thinking with the draft. If Lovie is around, I'm in the trade the 1.1 pick camp (if we draft at 1.1) and moving down the board...if possible. And no QB in the first round, especially with the first selection. I know it takes two to tango so easier said than done. I'm then looking at a Max Duggan or maybe Richardson or even Hooker in the middle rounds to see what sticks there. Or even take a Will Levis with the Cleveland selection. All of these guys will need plenty of development time, and if we hire a better staff after the 23 season, perhaps they can mold an offense around the guy and see if lightning can strike.
If we do fire Lovie and Pep and we actually bring in an innovative offensive mind, then my first choice is Bryce at 1.1. If you don't like him (speaking to Nick) then trade down and see if you can get either C.J. Stroud or Levis. Stroud might have the highest floor, I just don't know how high his ceiling is. To me, Young and Levis have higher upside, albeit with higher risk.
True, but will he get those offers? Someone mentioned recently that offensive coaches get approximately 80% of the job offers because arena league rules favor offenses so much.
Well of course I completely agree with you. Just wishful thinking on my part.
I fully expect them to keep Lovie in 2023 because it's the stupid thing to do. And then hire Korn Ferry again for another list just to hire either Josh McCown or Jeff Fisher. lol
From my very limited view of college QBs, I tend to lean toward Stroud at this point. Got the physical traits and seems pro offense ready. But, I readily admit my own ignorance. I just don't want a shorty QB on this team unless it comes with a coach that knows what to do with him (i.e. Sean Payton).
Porky
Hall of Fame
Yes sir. That's why I said IF an innovative offensive-minded guy comes here then, and only then, do I want Bryce. Young (IMHO) would excel in a Bill Walsh WC style offense, perfected by baby Shanny in the modern era and also working with his disciples quite well. I'm just guessing that Ryans has maybe seen a wee little bit of WC on steroids in his time with baby Shanny. So while he is not suited to teach it directly as HC...I trust that he knows what he wants in an OC that will run it. This is back to something akin to the Kubiak style with some wrinkles, and while it's got its own issues (everything does), the best offensive era over an extended time here was the Shanny/Walsh system under Kubes. I think most of our o-line is nimble enough to move over to more of a zone scheme...not sure about Green. That could be an issue, but I digress.
In short, give me Ryans as HC. I trust him to figure it out from there.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Not sure Cal would hire Ryans after DeMeco sued the Texans.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Who do you think wanted to keep Lovie and anyone else? I will give you a clue, his name starts with a C and ends with an O. There are also a couple of vowels like a,e,i and an s and r. You keep saying Caserio didn't hire the head coach , but he placed his suggestion out there for Cal to chose and Lovie was the only 1 left.
leebigeztx
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He's not going to come with a dude like Caserio as gm. He's going to want to work with someone as gm that he may have affiliation with. It won't be a ex patriot, I'm pretty sure. I keep saying the most logical dude to give caserio what he wants in terms of familiarity is Mayo. I'm not saying I would like Mayo one way or another, but it would be a dude that Caserio knows and would side towards the so called patriot way. Hell, Flores might still be in the picture for all we know honestly. He was maybe too hot when he was suing the nfl.
Starts with a C ends with a L. Hint: He's a very nice Tommy Boy, but it looks like he's leaned from his daddy well, that's if he's tricked a knowledgeable guy like you into believing this. This clustfvck has always been about the McNair's and their boardroom style of mgmt where nothing falls on them. Good news is that the stands are telling me fans aren't buying that anymore and hopefully the next HC hire will have been a sign of an agent of change. At least as an avid Texans fan that's what I hope happens. Who the next HC and QB hires will be will shape the direction of this franchise for the next 10 years
leebigeztx
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So in your honest opinion, you think Gannon didn't take the job because Cal told him he had to keep Lovie Smith among others on the staff?
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