SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Nico is on the right track to be at worst, a solid WR. And at best a damn good WR with Pro Bowl potential. We shall see once we get another year of a solid play. As long as he is healthy and put in the game on a regular basis
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Nico is on the right track to be at worst, a solid WR. And at best a damn good WR with Pro Bowl potential. We shall see once we get another year of a solid play. As long as he is healthy and put in the game on a regular basis
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
think the big thing for him is getting him a qb who can get him the ball. I was down on him early in the season, but he came on a bit later in the season to make some big plays. His numbers as paltry as they look are still better than they were last year & Unless they’re studs, it’s not uncommon for it to take 3 years for WR’s to really come on if they dont have a qb.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Tell us how he cleaned up the cap that was going to be cleaned up anyway.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Yep, unless you're top flight wr, qb's matter. They don't have a qb and he needs to stay healthy
For starters
He cut Cunningham and Merciless and took the cap hit rather than letting it play out.
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What are we even doing here?
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Way to squander money.
Why bother drafting Mills then?
I've already said it at the time.
And many people, including you and steelb, believe in building it from the trenches.
But then for some reason, a number of fans on this MB, including you and Steelbtexan, change the tune all of a sudden.
Building the trench be damned.
I don't remember so I ask, were you in the crowd of "finding a QB first" or "building the trench" first?
As usual, I bring up steelbtexan first.
Now he's saying he doesn't like any QB in this draft.
He's rather build the trench.
Why didn't he say that when Nick Caserio drafted Mills?
All of a sudden, the concept of building from the trench went to the wayside.
Yes, but 76 Texan stated that Caserio brought him in
What a vision.
Drafting Mills knowing there are poops all around.
Letting him have the reign this year with all the poops all around.
Nick Caserio is doing a good job. NOT.
Drafting a shot in the dark in the third round should only happen when the team can afford the luxury to let him sit and learn.
Fast tracking him by letting him play with poops is no way to develop a QB.
But you had no problem with him starting and then complaining that the HC, the OC, and the GM all failed him.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Am I the only one that finds it ironic that the same people who agree that Lovie and Pep are bad coaches are also saying Nico and Mills are bad?
You can expect to see players play at their full potential if the coaching sucks.
Not saying Mills is the future, but you can’t say he has been a total abomination without pointing out the play calling and coaching that goes along with it.
Unless you have a narrow minded agenda.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
We expect nothing less.
Tunsil's contract is up after next year.
How much will they have to resign/restructure his contract for?
With the way things are going, I'm not all sunshine about it.
You pay premium for a franchise LT when your team is truly contending.
You're wasting money keeping him while the team is going nowhere.
I was on the fence, but I still thought it's best to move one.
Get yourself a draft pick and cap relief while your team is in a rebuilding mode.
By the time your team can contend, his contract is already up.
You're paying premium all the while, last year, this year, next year.
And you're not guaranteed to be able to bring him back in 2024.
Don't generalize things.
Steelbtexan throws out a lot of things.
It's only normal that people respond to them.
Exactly.
We all give Caserio the latitude to cut guys with the bad contracts.
The situation will clean up itself.
We're only interested in the contract that Caserio extends or restructures.
Not looking good so far.
If the plan all along was to field the best team possible in 2024, picking Mills made perfect sense
There's nothing to be nailed with the Watson's trade.View attachment 11260
Bro get over yourself b/c for the record you suggested some other nonsense that would’ve hurt us worse in the long run…i already outed you in that regard. you’re in here beating your chest about things that in the grand scheme of things where they were AT THE TIME, wasn’t going to matter much as it relates to the “scoreboard”.
i mean really what does it matter if you get your ass kicked every week with young talent or old talent?At the end of the day, your ass is still gonna be sore, you still lose, and fans will still complain about “the scoreboard”. At least with older veterans you know they know what they’re doing.
you’re trying to place small almost insignificant moves on the same level with the bigger ones…& just like an investment portfolio, everything doesn’t carry the same weight. All those small ass moves collectively you’re trying to say were “bad” don’t carry the same weight of the 1 big move he HAD to nail…which was the DW4 trade.
I had laid out the timeline and the scenarios in response to Double barrel, a well-regarded poster on this MB.
Nick Caserio was just a facilitator.
He did not move up the timeline for the trade.
He did not talk McNair out of trading early.
Like somedody has said on this forum, I had done all the homeworks.
I had provided all the links.
I don't need to go back to find those links.
They're are there.
If you want to prove that Caserio managed the thing well; it's up to you to counter it.
I said Lovie is a bit better than Culley, for his experience as a HC.
I never said Collins was bad.
In fact, I always said that he has the possibility to be a good no. 2 receiver.
No guarantee but I did say that it was probably a good pick at the time he was drafted.
Only if he thinks your opinion has any value
It's unbelievablely to me how @Mr teX and @steelbtexan has been defending Nick Caserio, after they defend OB.
Now they turn on OB and say how bad it was after OB.
Now, it's how hamstrung Nick Caserio had been.
Wishy washy at it's best .
Now they turn on OB and say how bad it was after OB.
Now, it's how hamstrung Nick Caserio had been.
Wishy washy at it's best .
Like I said, Nick Caserio carried no weight in the biggest trade in the Texans' history.View attachment 11260
Bro get over yourself b/c for the record you suggested some other nonsense that would’ve hurt us worse in the long run…i already outed you in that regard. you’re in here beating your chest about things that in the grand scheme of things where they were AT THE TIME, wasn’t going to matter much as it relates to the “scoreboard”.
i mean really what does it matter if you get your ass kicked every week with young talent or old talent?
you’re trying to place small almost insignificant moves on the same level with the bigger ones…& just like an investment portfolio, everything doesn’t carry the same weight. All those small ass moves collectively you’re trying to say were “bad” don’t carry the same weight of the 1 big move he HAD to nail…which was the DW4 trade.
I had laid out all the timelines with plenty of links.
Nick was just a file clerk.
You keep forgetting the more important things that a GM needs to do, which is to improve the roster.
With all those extra picks and more cap space; Nick gave us a 1-and going on vs. 4-12.
Hurrah for the improvement.
Thanks Nick, you're doing a good job.
You MrTex and Steelbtexan can be great advisors to Cal.
More power to you.
Yeah and Mills is not a waste.
I'm not saying Mills is terrible, but he's not the guy.
You need that third round pick to be either the guy to protect your QB or the guy that can help on the defensive line.
It's not in restropect.
It was something I already stressed back then.
I even said that little things can add up.
You still disregard it.
Look at where the team is at the moment and going on in the future.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Yep….it was so easy to navigate that whole DW4 mess…anyone could’ve done it. Lol…..so I forget, were you in the “force him to play b/c he’s getting paid 10 mil camp”…or were you in the “trade him now before his value plummets when he’s indicted!” camp?
I mean, You’ve gone full on delusion at this point & i think i’ll just bow out…..for now
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Again you’re quibbling about the player taken and not looking at anything outside of that. Sure in retrospect maybe taking a different player outside of Mills to do this or that may not have been a bad idea…but taking a guy at any other position didn’t have the same upside of potentially nailing your franchise Qb either. And there was still no greater chance of nailing a productive player at another position either. Look at all the players selected in and around where Mills was selected. None of them have done anything of note either. Honestly this is right up there with the Andre Dillard talk…worst decision the texans made not moving up to get him ahead of Philly folks on here said….Taking the prospect Tytus Howard? Psst! Whatever…..oops.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
I was just saying that I am a Michigan guy. And I really think Nico is going to be very good. He was leading the team in yards at one point. He has gotten stronger, yet not lost his speed. As for Mills, he is up and down, sadly from quarter to quarter and week to week. He just can't seem to put it together for 60min. I don’t know if it's bad coaches, but personally think that's 50%. Or if it's Mills himself, which I don't know.
I very much agree with you about the coaches. Not a single player is going to reach their true potential without better coaches. That goes for both sides of the ball and all position groups
Porky
Hall of Fame
Another nail in the NC coffin. Who woulda thunk that an injury prone corner was not a good choice at #3 overall, even more so when an equally capable corner was sitting right there for the taking. Said corner is going to miss half his rookie season after having to be baby sat thru camp. This guy loves him some injury riddled dudes. Get out of town Nick. I will start a pot for a flight anywhere you want to go…just leave because you suck at your job and I don’t want you squandering the rest of the Watson booty like you did in the first swing of the bat.
You are the weakest link. Goodbye.
You are the weakest link. Goodbye.
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I'll agree with the worst. Collins looks like a possession WR. Doesn't make explosive plays. Has broken 3 tackles in 2 seasons. But has only dropped 1 pass. Pro Bowl potential? Not seeing that.
And if he'd have selected Sauce instead and he tore his achilles in the first game would the same still hold?
Texian
Hall of Fame
@steelbtexan was a build-from-the-inside-out guy up until the moment Pep Hamilton convinced Nick Caserio to draft Davis Mills. Then his allegiance to Caserio took over.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Collins was a mediocre WR at Michigan. He currently ranks as the 35th WR in the league. When I look at the Top 20 WRs in the league I don't see Nico as a pro bowler, much less an All-Pro.
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On the other hand, Meinerz 7th best OG ranking does have him on the road to becoming a Pro Bowler. However, because the Broncos have been so bad he could get overlooked.
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Texian
Hall of Fame
Technically #3 was the Texans' pick and it does look like it has been squandered, no question or argument there. The Watson booty was the #15 pick and by the looks of it, it is going to be a much bigger squander than #3 is.
Number19
Hall of Fame
First, I don't follow this on a regular basis, but I just went to Spotrac, and if I'm reading them correctly, and I could be wrong, it appears to me that the Texans have $48M left over - after all other considerations are taken care of.Bingo! You may have $40MM in cap space which is 7th best but when you have to sign 15 players plus a practice squad that $40MM doesn't go very far.
When Tunsil and Cooks are more than 25% of your salary cap, over $61MM, that is an atrocity. Add in Tytus Howard and that is a 1/3 of your salary cap.That is a recipe for a repeat of 2021 and 2022. That is a clear sign of someone who does not know what in the hell they are doing. Is there anyone in NRG Stadium who passed Accounting 101? If so, please report to the Kirby Dr. Texans Boardroom.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Other than Pierce and some flashes from Pitre, how has the '22 class done "very" well? Not even counting injuries, which should be taken into consideration, Stingley was average at best. Not what you should be getting out of #3 overall. Green has been horrible (so far), and again, you'd hope to be getting a little better than horrible with #15 overall. Don't really have anything good or bad to say about Harris at this point. Booker? Haven't heard his name mentioned all season. And then the late rounders Quitoriano and Deculus, meh.
Again, this is not a declaration of a busted draft or anything of that nature, just where it stands at the moment and trying to figure out how anyone can sit there and say they've done "very well" with it. Maybe it can still get there in a year or 2, but not the way it looks right now.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I trust Sportrac, so I've no qualms about $48MM. I was using TK's $40MM from his post. That said $48MM vs $40MM isn't a BIG difference maker.
Number19
Hall of Fame
I was addressing a point that the available cap would be reduced by signing additional players and the practice squad.
But Spotracs number takes into account 51 contracts, the two first round draft picks, 8 dead cap contracts. The only thing I don't find taken into account is the practice squad, and this I find confusing. If this is a yearly expenditure on the cap, why wouldn't it be accounted for? Strange.
But the way I read it, the Texans have $48M to play with, which should be sufficient for several significant FA signings.
Texian
Hall of Fame
It doesn't suck nearly as bad as going thru life being fat, drunk, and stupid.
You've absolutely no idea that the 2022 class would have done very well with Metchie playing. That's hoping and wishful thinking. On the contrary, Singletary and Green have been disappointments. No reason to think that Metchie would be too. Even if Metchie plays well, that doesn't make up for Singletary and Green's disappointments.
My opinion differs from yours
I wasn't gonna call you fat because I don't know you
Texian
Hall of Fame
I've always ignored the 51-player #. What I focus on is 53 player roster, the practice squad, and the allotment for IR and LTBEs. So if you allocate $10MM for the practice squad, IR and LTBEs, PLUS $10MM for (2) 1st RD draft picks, that leaves you with approx $28MM to sign 13 players to complete the 53 man roster. Several significant FA signings would require using hefty signing bonuses and borrowing that money from future salary caps.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Sadly you haven’t picked up sarcasm….I wouldn’t waste a RD1 on either Young or Stroud. I could use just about every pick on the trenches. My Mock’s usually reflect this line of thinking.
I'm not totally sold on either one of them either.
But Young is really a player.
He's an honest shot for a franchise QB.
And you don't have too many shots at them.
It could be better had Caserio make better decisions on the offensive line the last two years.
He compounded the problem by not addressing the situation properly.
Now I want a new GM and a new HC and hope they have a better vision.
With this group, I don't think it matters.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
He renegotiated Merci, signed Cannon and traded for Lawson
No, I was in the Steve Young's camp.Yep….it was so easy to navigate that whole DW4 mess…anyone could’ve done it. Lol…..so I forget, were you in the “force him to play b/c he’s getting paid 10 mil camp”…or were you in the “trade him now before his value plummets when he’s indicted!” camp?
I mean, You’ve gone full on delusion at this point & i think i’ll just bow out…..for now
He said Watson can return at least 3 first round picks and I was with him all the way.
I had laid out the timeline and the situation when I responded to Double Barrel.
The players for Watson's service were always there. It was just a matter of time.
Was not on either camp.
Was on the camp for Duane Brown and Brandon Br
Not in the camp of either of those guys.
Was in the camp of Duane Brown (nailed that one when I said he's likely the 8th LT pick and a good match for Kubiak's offense.)
Was in the camp of Brandon Brooks.
Was also in the camp saying Newton was a great pick up in the seventh round.
Point is, the GM and the coaches still need to find the right guy(s) for the system.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
If Nico can stay healthy and they get a qb, Nico can be a 1200 yd 8 td wr, which is in the middle. He's not going to dictate coverage or get seperation. He's a inside slant/back shoulder/red zone type of wr. His issue is health and the qb.