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Davis Mills - statistical breakdown.
- Thread starter Texansphan
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Yes you have to have mobility within the pocket and be able to pickup 5 yards running on 3rd and 4. This is what Burrow does and what Mills is capable of doing.
So what are you saying?
What I was actually saying is for the scheme to match the QB's skill set.
You've got to scheme it to what he does best.
That's a given.
The average QB today, like I had said, is more athletic than the average guy from 10-15 years ago; let alone 20 years ago.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
What are you saying?
I was just posting stats from all the young QBs. The ones that were being mentioned anyway
this is the Mills statistical thread. Just putting data out there. Him & his peers.
There are some serious flaw with the QBR.
Before the game, the Raiders D was near the bottom.
The Pats D was around, I don't remember exactly, but at worse, just outside the top 10.
The QBR was supposed to take that into account, though I'm not sure how one can come up with the logistic.
Secondly, garbage time was supposed to be taken care of.
Mills had a number of yards from that.
Fields was basically not involved in any play in the fourth quarter. He was just handing off the ball by then.
Mills had a total of 302 yards, 2 TDs and 1 INT.
The INT was a pick six, which negatively affects the outcome of the game.
That was supposedly to be deducted.
Fields had a total of 261 yards.
This is roughly the same as Mills if you take out the garbage time sack.
Fields threw for a TD and ran for another.
He also threw an INT.
But this INT was to the Pats 39 yard line and was returned for 11 yards, far from a pick-six.
I have no idea how Mills gets a higher QBR.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I'm a big opponent of the QBR for this reason, but they're basically ignoring the stats, ignoring the number of interceptions, completions, incompletions, etc., and instead judging how the player performed compared against what an "average" QB would have done in the same situation.
What happens AFTER a ball is intercepted may or may not have any relevance to the QBR score because they're just looking at whether or not an average QB would have thrown an interception in that situation. They have groups of people looking at each play and grading it based on this mythical average quarterback, and then they sum everything up.
And that's how Fields can end up with a lower QBR. Because it's not just about the splash plays, but all the other plays and how they all add up.
I don't trust it.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Warning. I just had post moved from this thread to the draft with caution that future comments would be deleted.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Capable yes, doing it, haven't seen it. He has pocket lock and defense are basically playing man under 2 deep because they know he's not leaving the box under any circumstances.
Texansballer74
The Marine
He has said several times already that he needs to run the ball more to help his teammates.
When he did leave the pocket last game he threw a couple of beautiful passes. This needs to happen more often. Makes me wonder why these type of plays that gets him out of the pocket, (Roll outs/Boots etc...) aren't more a part of the gameplan. Gotta play to your young QB's strengths.
Texansballer74
The Marine
He got out the pocket only 3 times. He went 2-3. It’s about consistency and that is not what he’s doing. We’re talking about 6 weeks into the season.
The 1 inc he got out of the pocket and threw an inc, it was because Mills/Jordan weren't on the same page.
Speaking of this, why did Jordan get so much run? Akins obviously has more chemistry with Mills than Mills/Jordan?
Texansballer74
The Marine
No he was staring his receiver down and the safety saw that and made the pick.
Jordan and Mills had great chemistry last season. Especially the last five games of last season. That’s why
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
One of the problems I had with BoB and even Pep are the packages. When you sub alot of packages on a team like the Texans and with a bunch of jags, I think you tip your hand. IMO, the best offensive packages is with 12 personel (1rb,2te) . Howard and Akins are bigger,faster, te's vs Jordan. You can formation those guys, split 1, stagger, run and control the middle of the field and have legit run layers with them. Make the defense stop someone on the mismatch. Completing to 8 different wr means nothing to me if those guys are making the defense adjust to them. That catch and run by Akins is on film and will make dc's account for that. Those early season seam routes to Howard means something also. Out of the backfield angle routes to Burkhead means nothing pretty much. Staples are what people call them and even now, they still don't have staples with personel and plays.
They don't this season
I read what you wrote.
And my response is still that I watched two predominantly drop back passing qbs lead their teams to compete in the superbowl just last year.
I've no argument with the direction the league has seen itself in so far as enhanced mobility with qbs, just that the 'predominantly drop back passing' qb is hardly a past tense item, even today. In fact I think a strong inverse argument can be made that meaningful winning - postseason winning - can't be done consistently without quality drop back passing qb play.
Heck OJ Howard has more chemistry than Jordan. No targets
You misunderstood what I was saying.
I never said you can't win with a QB that is more of a pocket passer.
Brady was still slinging it last year, for example.
I said the league (as a whole) is no longer predominantly of that type of QB play.
The HC/OC need to tailor the scheme to his particular QB's skill set.
On the other hand, the young QBs today (even a guy that's more of a pocket passer like Burrow) are more athletic than ever.
RPO and roll out can be more successful with them.
Maybe even a QB draw or a designed run mixing in here and there (including the QB sneak).
No one misunderstood what you were saying, guy..
Number19
Hall of Fame
In other words, they are doing pretty much what you and others do on TT, except maybe a little more comprehensive and log each plays score. There's likely much less bias, if any. It may be subjective, but the subjectivity is averaged out by the multiplicity of opinion.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
He did. Squared his shoulders and threw great passes. The same passes you never gave Watson credit for doing and making it look easy
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
This is why I personally try not to get into those sorts of discussions about which player is better or whether someone is playing bad or not. I try to look at plays and analyze them, but I know that I don't really know what's going on.
And this gets to be the crux of my problem with PFF and QBR. If you don't know the playbook and what was called, you don't really know if someone made a good or bad play because you don't know what they were supposed to do. I mean, sure, you can see if someone throws a pass accurately to a specific receiver, but you don't know if that's the receiver they were supposed to be throwing to. You don't know what reads they were supposed to be making, you don't know if someone ran the wrong route or if the QB called the play wrong or audibled wrong or if the WR read the play wrong. There are too many unknown variables in there for me to trust myself or others to make that kind of judgment.
If that makes any sense.
Football is one of the ultimate team games and there's a butterfly effect where a seemingly innocuous mistake by one guy can make the entire play fall to pieces.
That's been Belichick's critique of these rating systems.
He did. Squared his shoulders and threw great passes. The same passes you never gave Watson credit for doing and making it look easy
LOL. Watch it. You will be accused of reading old posts.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Deleted my previous comment because we’re way off topic.
Hey Earl how about the garbage time stats? Does this factoring into Mills stats as well.
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Tell me when Mills has gotten garbage time stats this year? In fact I would say the opposite is true.
Wait a minute. I have to look at game film, form an opinion, do a 360 degree turn, watch the same film and then make a 180 degree change to my opinions. Now that I have done that.
- Garbage time stats are a thing of the past
- No more caring about lack of scoring on opening drives
- Bad defense is just as much to blame as QB play for a 4-12 record
- Regardless of distance, any pass with a spiral is perfect and beautiful
- Body language on the sidelines doesn't matter
- Simplifying the game by not having the QB make the OL calls is not an indicator of intelligence
- A QB wearing a cheat sheet wristband is not an indicator of intelligence
- INTs are not as important when the defense is forcing the QB to have to make a play
Yes.
In the last game.
vtech9
All Pro
6. I find this one interesting. I seem to recall Mills making the Oline calls at the end of last season, and seemed to be fairly successful. Why has Mills not been as effective this season with the Center making the calls? Is the Center not making the right calls? Is it something as simple as since Mills isn't making the calls, he's trusting the Center is making the right calls, so he's not thinking about the protection. I know I have a similar issue. If I'm not focused on something, it's kind of out of sight, out of mind. If I'm focused on the protection before the play, it's a constant sub-current during the play.
I don't know. It just seems to me that Mills plays better when he is giving more to think about, and more to do. Maybe he get's complacent when his mind isn't constantly working. I know mine does. Give me more to think about, and the more focused I am. I've seen many more accidents and mistakes happen over the years when things were supposed to be easy.
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The fact that you really believe all of this, when I just asked you to point out Mills garbage time stats and are willing to do all of this typing means we're done here. I'm just glad that although it took yrs and a scandal that this POS is no longer on Kirby.
I've already told you that Mills had garbage time stats last week.
And also , he was facing QBs that either had a bad game or a bad year overall, the Texans weren't behind as much.
The Texans' bend but don't break D had made some crucial stops or forced some timely turnovers.
Otherwise, the Texans would have been behind more often.
Not to mention the positive plays by the Special Team as opposed to the opponents'.
Like the two kicks shanked out of bound by the Colts' kicker (and a missed FG) that cost him his job.
That's when the garbage time stats would really kick in.
That is interesting & may be why he seemed rushed earlier in the season.
I made that post as a joke, but this is an interesting point. Here is a good article referencing Aikman and how the wristband changed how he visualized plays.
"One Hall of Famer predicted that Rodgers wasn’t going to be happy with the wristband. “I began wearing a wristband my 10th season and I hated it,” Troy Aikman, the former Dallas Cowboys quarterback, said on Fox’s pregame show, “and the reason is you start reading the play as opposed to hearing the in play your head and when you hearing it in your head, you’re walking to the line, you’re visualizing everything that’s going to happen — the blitzes, where are my hots [hot reads], where am I going with the football. The wristband, you just read it and you don’t even start thinking about the play until you get underneath the center. I didn’t like it; I’m not sure Aaron Rodgers likes it, either.”
Aaron Rodgers is wearing a playcalling wristband for the first time his career - The Washington Post
Technically, you didn't ask me. @Texansballer74 asked me the question.
That post is the result of being able to type over 70 WPM with a dry sense of humor and a tendency to be verbose. Similar to many of the opinions posted, it didn't require much thought and was made in jest. However, there is a grain of truth in every joke. Amirite?
vtech9
All Pro
That is the way my brain works too. I'll go all of the way back to high school for an example. If I had to read something to study for a test, I just wasn't retaining the information very well. If I even half listened to the teacher give the test preview the day before, I retained almost everything, and easily passed the test. It is similar to how I am with reading books. I was an avid reader, and loved to read, but after finishing a book I enjoyed, I could almost go back and re-read that book, and enjoy it again as a new book, and sometimes enjoy it more because I did retain the basis of the characters. Nowadays, I listen to audiobooks, and retain most of what I heard. When reading a book for the first time, I quite often had to go back and re-read sections just so it would make sense with the next part. I don't have to do that with audiobooks.
Bad day for bad quarterbacks
Texansballer74
The Marine
Mills got those yards in garbage time. Before the 4th he barely had 65 yards lol
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I thought Watson only got garbage stats even though analytics proved he got stats in high leverage situations88 yards and the TD.
Just what Steelbtexan was asking for a few days ago.
I thought Watson only got garbage stats even though analytics proved he got stats in high leverage situations
Garbage time stats are just that. He got them against the Titans and Didn't get them against the Raiders.
Yes he did, too.
84 yards after the Raiders had gone ahead 38-20 with 7 mins. left.
84 yds and a pick 6 where he tried to make a play and got a pick 6.
84 yds and no TD's that's not what I call garbage time.
Garbage time is exactly what we saw Sunday.
84 yards is garbage stats.
No matter how you slice it.
2 yards is garbage stats by your standards.
BTW you must be really hurt that you're guy is a perv.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
You always find creative ways to interject Watson. Mills is hot garbage on the field.
I'm not the poster that brought up garbage time stats.