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Week 7 Texans in Vegas

steelbtexan

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I like Pitre, but he needs to do tackling drills every day until he can get someone down without a whiff or extra 5 yards
Seems like he's regressed in this area. He was a very solid tackler in college. Getting beat on that 1st Carr TD pass bothered me even more than his tackling. I've gotta remember that he's young and learning on the job. Owens looks overmatched at the other S spot.
 
I like Pitre, but he needs to do tackling drills every day until he can get someone down without a whiff or extra 5 yards
Pitre had a great game against the Bears. But I donno... I was most worried about Pitre coming out of the draft because he was undersized in the tackle box in the NFL, and was not known as a good cover Free Safety in college. And it kind of looks that way to me. I don't know if he's big enough to be the ideal strong safety playing in the box like he did in college. A hybrid guy who's been better in coverage than I thought but as a tackler......
 

Texansballer74

The Marine
Wouldn't the defense look so much better with Anderson/Carter on the front line and then signing a guy like Smith in FA, add a guy like Myles Jack in FA too and this defense will look a lot better. This could happen depending on how bad the Browns are. Also by trading down you could get more picks for next yrs draft and the 2024 draft. The 2024 draft should be a really deep draft.
Nobody knows how this defense would look like with those two. The defensive scheme is trash.
 

Carr Bombed

Hall of Fame
In my opinion he did. I understand you have a thing for Mills. But in this league a quarterback has to make plays in crunch time situations. So far this season, him and Pep hasn’t live up to the b
Would be nice if we had a defense that allowed him those situations to grow.. dominant Watt or any dominant defensive front/player, he doesn't have any. All I see is a bunch of Matadors..
 

banned1976

sleeper mode
I still think Lovie's defense can work. However, he needs better play/players/talent on the front seven.
I honestly don't. One of the biggest problems I had with the Texans hiring him as the DC last year was his defense at Illinois (he was not only HC but added DC to his title in 2019) ranked 97th nationally in 2019. In 2020 they were 73rd. Better, but not good. His HC record while at Illinois was 17-39 over 5 years. The 4 years prior they were 17-32. He did nothing for that football team. The excuse he made for his defense just prior to being fired was that he didn't have time to implement his scheme. He had five years. He's not going to get five years here...at least I hope he doesn't. Unless he vastly improves. If that happens, I will gladly eat crow.
 

Texansphan

Football connoisseur
Wouldn't the defense look so much better with Anderson/Carter on the front line and then signing a guy like Smith in FA, add a guy like Myles Jack in FA too and this defense will look a lot better. This could happen depending on how bad the Browns are. Also by trading down you could get more picks for next yrs draft and the 2024 draft. The 2024 draft should be a really deep draft.
Our DLine is definitely 2nd rate - on any other teams they are seconds.
 

Texansballer74

The Marine
Would be nice if we had a defense that allowed him those situations to grow.. dominant Watt or any dominant defensive front/player, he doesn't have any. All I see is a bunch of Matadors..
Indeed, that’s why I was hoping Pep would’ve continued to push the ball down the field. He had the offense rolling in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. When we went three and out after they took the lead 24-20. I called game because we needed to answer after they scored. The defense was just gashed and cut up and we went three and out. Then Mills threw that pick 6.
 

austins23

Hall of Fame
I honestly don't. One of the biggest problems I had with the Texans hiring him as the DC last year was his defense at Illinois (he was not only HC but added DC to his title in 2019) ranked 97th nationally in 2019. In 2020 they were 73rd. Better, but not good. His HC record while at Illinois was 17-39 over 5 years. The 4 years prior they were 17-32. He did nothing for that football team. The excuse he made for his defense just prior to being fired was that he didn't have time to implement his scheme. He had five years. He's not going to get five years here...at least I hope he doesn't. Unless he vastly improves. If that happens, I will gladly eat crow.
Yep. His defense sucks. How many times was Carr pressured today? I think I remember ONE blitz. Carr was just chillin in the pocket.
The run defense….. haha!! What a joke. I saw LBs diving into gaps while the runner was hitting off tackle and getting an easy 6 to 9 yards. Just ridiculous
 

Rich Schmidt

Myopicone
i think we have 2 and 5
Detroit has #1 pick, but still have Bears (2 times), Jags, Green Bay (twice), Panthers so maybe they get to 3 wins. Watching our run defense, not sure we can win again. Commanders and Jags are possible wins. Browns should have the criminal at QB, but just need to give it to Chubb. Mills played a bit better today and DP is balling, but that run defense is so swaful, any good OC should leave tread marks on the Texans
 

steelbtexan

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Ok. Well why aren’t you a Texans scout? Since you know who are and are not foundational players.
I would have to take a pay cut.

By watching football for over 50 years.

BTW, I wanted to do this when I was younger, Joel Buschbaum got me turned onto scouting. But I didn't have any connections to get into this field.
 

Brisco_County

Apples and roadmaps
Anyone thinking this teams biggest problem is qb is delusional. We’ve been here. Why people STILL think that getting a top qb prospect will solve all this teams problems with our history at the position is beyond reason at this point.

so tired of having this conversation.
Agreed. Unless we draft another scrambler, a first round QB is going to be under pressure behind the same O-line. Drafting a scrambler isn't the solution, drafting a center and RG is.
 

Texansballer74

The Marine
I don't think making 1 mistake all game is stinking up the joint - especially late game, down two scores and down your top WR. So again, disagree. Mills moved the chains all game and was much more than solid - he was good all game. So again, your characterization of Mills play is quite a bit off IMO.
So you really think he made only one mistake. Well alright then. Those Mills colored glasses must be nice.
 

TheRealJoker

Hall of Fame
Desmond King played well and is having a solid season overall. I wonder if he will be available at trade deadline assuming Tavierre Thomas is close to making it back?

A team like the 49ers who are all-in but is desperately in need of a solid vet CB like King could part with one of their young RBs. I want Mitchell.

Texans could get their RB duo on rookie contracts while 49ers go into win-now mode.
 
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Texansballer74

The Marine
Anyone thinking this teams biggest problem is qb is delusional. We’ve been here. Why people STILL think that getting a top qb prospect will solve all this teams problems with our history at the position is beyond reason at this point.

so tired of having this conversation.
Nobody said anything remotely close to the quarterback being biggest problem on this team.
And getting a top notch quarterback will solve part of the problem. Some of y’all act like you don’t want this team to have a top notch quarterback.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
Nobody said anything remotely close to the quarterback being biggest problem on this team.
And getting a top notch quarterback will solve part of the problem. Some of y’all act like you don’t want this team to have a top notch quarterback.
Getting a difference making player at any position will “solve part of the problem” so whats your point?

its not about not wanting a top notch qb………its about WINNING…and a complete, TEAM with depth and talent AT ALL LEVELS is needed..not just a top notch qb.

you’d think you guys wouldve learned this after watching Schaub struggle for his 1st 3 years before we accumulated enough talent for him…you’d think you guys would’ve learned after DW4’s 2020 season…but y’all still on this silliness.
 
So you really think he made only one mistake. Well alright then. Those Mills colored glasses must be nice.
No, I don't think he just made one mistake. There was another in the 4th quarter when a ball was batted down on 3rd down when Dorsett was open to the left of his intended receiver. But I didn't see very many, and I saw a lot of excellent throws, improvs etc. Mills arm talent was apprent. He was the guy today that I thought he could be. If Mills keeps playing this way, he should be starting for this team. When he plays shitty, I will be the first to call him out.

By far, the biggest issue on this team is OLB/DE, where the DL is completely unable to set the edge at all. Jacobs just bounced everything outside when the middle was plugged up, and crucified the team. 7.2 YPC. Happening all season.
 
Desmond King played well and is having a solid season overall. I wonder if he will be available at trade deadline assuming Tavierre Thomas is close to making it back?

A team like the 49ers who are all-in but is desperately in need of a solid vet CB like King could part with one of their young RBs. I want Mitchell.

Texans could get their RB duo on rookie contracts while 49ers go into win-now mode.
Excellent point. I think Kind has been the team's best overall defender. He would be an excellent upgrade as a CB3 for a lot of good playoff teams. But he would be valuable on the rebuild too still only 28 years old I think. He's playing great.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
Anyone thinking this teams biggest problem is qb is delusional. We’ve been here. Why people STILL think that getting a top qb prospect will solve all this teams problems with our history at the position is beyond reason at this point.

so tired of having this conversation.
Were'nt you together with Steelb in the same gang that claims "rebuilding can be done quickly", in one or two years?

This is the second year and they're nowhere near winning.

So now you and Steelb change your tune to 'got to fix all the holes on this team first'.

And we don't even know how that timeline is going to stretch, let alone knowing when will be the time to draft a QB.

Let me tell you, the Colts drafted Manning when their team was a dumpster fire (after a 3-13 season) and the team was so bad they finished the next year at 3 wins also.

Then they drafted Luck again, in a similar situation, after a 2-14 year.

Same thing with the Bengals when they drafted Burrow.

The Browns just picked the wrong guy (Mayfield instead of Allen).

The Chargers took Herbert after a 5-win season.
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
Getting a difference making player at any position will “solve part of the problem” so whats your point?

its not about not wanting a top notch qb………its about WINNING…and a complete, TEAM with depth and talent AT ALL LEVELS is needed..not just a top notch qb.

you’d think you guys wouldve learned this after watching Schaub struggle for his 1st 3 years before we accumulated enough talent for him…you’d think you guys would’ve learned after DW4’s 2020 season…but y’all still on this silliness.
you’d think a franchise could figure out “all the above” after 20 years of experience.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
Were'nt you together with Steelb in the same gang that claims "rebuilding can be done quickly", in one or two years?

This is the second year and they're nowhere near winning.

So now you and Steelb change your tune to 'got to fix all the holes on this team first'.

And we don't even know how that timeline is going to stretch, let alone knowing when will be the time to draft a QB.

Let me tell you, the Colts drafted Manning when their team was a dumpster fire (after a 3-13 season) and the team was so bad they finished the next year at 3 wins also.

Then they drafted Luck again, in a similar situation, after a 2-14 year.

Same thing with the Bengals when they drafted Burrow.

The Browns just picked the wrong guy (Mayfield instead of Allen).

The Chargers took Herbert after a 5-win season.
no i was not…
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
Were'nt you together with Steelb in the same gang that claims "rebuilding can be done quickly", in one or two years?

This is the second year and they're nowhere near winning.

So now you and Steelb change your tune to 'got to fix all the holes on this team first'.

And we don't even know how that timeline is going to stretch, let alone knowing when will be the time to draft a QB.

Let me tell you, the Colts drafted Manning when their team was a dumpster fire (after a 3-13 season) and the team was so bad they finished the next year at 3 wins also.

Then they drafted Luck again, in a similar situation, after a 2-14 year.

Same thing with the Bengals when they drafted Burrow.

The Browns just picked the wrong guy (Mayfield instead of Allen).

The Chargers took Herbert after a 5-win season.
To be fair, there are equal hits as misses on any high selection be it QB, DE, OT or CB. Sure there are a few no brainer’s, but to best of my recollection, luck hasn’t been kind to the Texans. Still QB is the quintessential, most important position in Football if not all sports.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
you’d think a franchise could figure out “all the above” after 20 years of experience.
ehh, fans at times force orgs hands..owners get caught up in trying to provide “hope” to fans every year by drafting the next purported Manning………even tho their roster says they’re 2+ years away talent wise & that qb wont be able to show he can be your guy for at least that. Gotta keep your eye towards the future when building out a team instead of hoping 1 uber talent is gonna rescue you….no matter how important that position skill player might be to the team.
 

steelbtexan

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So you really think he made only one mistake. Well alright then. Those Mills colored glasses must be nice.
He made more than one mistake, but just curious, how many mistakes did you see him make? In the 4th qtr. He didn't jump offsides after a dumb formation on a 4th and less than a yd. He was playing well in the 4th qtr today. Pep and the run defense lead to 2 TD's and then he had to try to make a play to get the team back into the game. He forced a ball and it got picked for a TD. He went down the way I want a QB going down. At least he took a chance and lost rather than playing it safe, putting up a bunch of meaningless stats and still losing.
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
ehh, fans at times force orgs hands..owners get caught up in trying to provide “hope” to fans every year by drafting the next purported Manning………even tho their roster says they’re 2+ years away talent wise & that qb wont be able to show he can be your guy for at least that. Gotta keep your eye towards the future when building out a team instead of hoping 1 uber talent is gonna rescue you….no matter how important that position skill player might be to the team.
C’mon man, Texans only used first overall pick once on a QB, in 2002. You really think they care what the fans want (if that were the case Vince Young would have been pick over Mario Williams). Your clearly delusional.
 

thunderkyss

Just win baby!!!
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Were'nt you together with Steelb in the same gang that claims "rebuilding can be done quickly", in one or two years?
Are you saying a team can’t turn it around in 2 seasons?

Do you really think anyone thought the Texans were going to turn it around in two seasons without a 1st or 2nd pick in the 1st draft?

If I were to say the Astros could sweep the Yankees, does that mean I think they will?

If they don’t, does that mean it wasn’t true?

Could. What do you think that word means?
 

steelbtexan

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I dunno what's a bigger problem for us, the Dline or the backers ?
Add youth to the DL and spend the money for a guy like Smith or Bush. I also would look at adding another vet like Jack or Anzalone to go with Harris. Wallow played some today and he's better than KGH right now. That guy cant get off of blocks to save his life.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
To be fair, there are equal hits as misses on any high selection be it QB, DE, OT or CB. Sure there are a few no brainer’s, but to best of my recollection, luck hasn’t been kind to the Texans. Still QB is the quintessential, most important position in Football if not all sports.
You've got to make your own luck, IMO.
A franchised QB is such a commodity, you've got to take a chance when you have the opportunity.
(Obviously, your scouting department/the GM need to do their homework).
The Browns had a chance to take Allen, but they didn't.

You wait until your team is ready, you're going to have several high-paying guys on your roster.

And then, there's the question, "how are you gonna get the QB that you want"?

Like what Leebig had said; a team in need of a QB isn't going to trade away their draft slot to you.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
Are you saying a team can’t turn it around in 2 seasons?

Do you really think anyone thought the Texans were going to turn it around in two seasons without a 1st or 2nd pick in the 1st draft?

If I were to say the Astros could sweep the Yankees, does that mean I think they will?

If they don’t, does that mean it wasn’t true?

Could. What do you think that word means?
You don't know the background of the whole story.
Forget it.
Too much work to rehash everything.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
C’mon man, Texans only used first overall pick once on a QB, in 2002. You really think they care what the fans want (if that were the case Vince Young would have been pick over Mario Williams). Your clearly delusional.
The only person delusional is you..in that you believe the Texans or any other org dont very often fall prey to swinging for homeruns with fans by taking qbs….Especially with the number of qbs who’ve been overdrafted over the years…see the Manziels, Bortles and Mitch Trubisky’s of the world. That 1 qb they used that 1st overall on was David Carr..b/c thats who fans wanted them to draft. And just b/c there was a vocal monority of fans who wanted VY doesnt mean that EVERYONE wanted him…there was at least as much interest in taking Bush. I happened to be in the camp who didn’t want VY. They’ve only had the 1st overall pick 3 times anyway.
 
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