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Davis Mills getting no respect

Texazan said:
Does it really matter at this point? No of course it doesn’t. Gotta let the year play out with Mills. Maybe he finds something and he’s your back up. You could yank him tomorrow and we’re not winning many more if any games with Allen. If this is about being right on a 3rd round flyer guy not being “the guy” congrats, I was there also but I know where we’re at. Stuck in neutral waiting for someone to put the tires back on.
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I wasn't discussing what the Texans should do.
 
steelbtexan said:
So it's on Caserio that Metchie got cancer and there weren't enough draft picks to fill all of the holes. Did you not like Caserio's 1st full draft?
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No its wasn't his fault but he did draft a guy with a significant injury who didn't have any special qualities. At least with Pierce and Pickens there were 2 big bodied, fast outside wr's available. he chose metchie, a slot who plays the same spot as your best wr Cooks. Other than that, I don't really have a problem with the choice
 
76Texan said:
Weren't you one of the peeps who said it doesn't take long for a rebuild?

And Nick Caserio had the extra picks to make up for last year already.

The way you and Mr Tex were arguing, the Texans should be able to win between 6-8 games this year.

I'm cautiously optimistic about some of the guys, but we haven't seen them play against the top ten teams yet.
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Yep, steelb said 2023 they should make the playoffs and 2024 they should be contenders. When I said what is contender, he stated afc championship game. All this was before the Watson trade too
 
leebigeztx said:
No its wasn't his fault but he did draft a guy with a significant injury who didn't have any special qualities. At least with Pierce and Pickens there were 2 big bodied, fast outside wr's available. he chose metchie, a slot who plays the same spot as your best wr Cooks. Other than that, I don't really have a problem with the choice
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I wanted Pickens over Metchie. But I certainly understand the Metchie pick.

They view Cooks as an outside guy, where he's played most of his career.
 
steelbtexan said:
I wanted Pickens over Metchie. But I certainly understand the Metchie pick.

They view Cooks as an outside guy, where he's played most of his career.
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What do you understand about it when both Pickens and Pierce were more talented players? Isn't it about the talent. I didn't even bring in one of your favorites Skyy Moore or Robinson. I wish the best for Metchie as a Texans, but it brings me back to the Titans choosing Dyson over Moss. Take the talent and develop them vs being safe especially when you don't have the next level type of qb.
 
leebigeztx said:
What do you understand about it when both Pickens and Pierce were more talented players? Isn't it about the talent. I didn't even bring in one of your favorites Skyy Moore or Robinson. I wish the best for Metchie as a Texans, but it brings me back to the Titans choosing Dyson over Moss. Take the talent and develop them vs being safe especially when you don't have the next level type of qb.
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Don't you think maybe Metchie should play a down of NFL football before making this post. After all Metchie was the top RZ threat at Alabama and a big game player in his own right.
 
steelbtexan said:
Don't you think maybe Metchie should play a down of NFL football before making this post. After all Metchie was the top RZ threat at Alabama and a big game player in his own right.
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Williams was 20 ypc and 15 tds along with 1500 yds last year. I think Mtchie will be fine, just didn't see special traits. i doubt he will dictate coverage or be a rz threat in nfl. He's not the body type type nor does he have the flat out speed or quickness. Maybe he's a slot, 11 ypc guy. i guess that's what the Texans were looking for. To me, those are 4th rd type of guys, not move up to get.
 
steelbtexan said:
Williams was also the 12th pick in the draft and Metchie was 44th iirc?
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You know before the draft, one of the biggest needs/bpa was a offensive weapon to help whomever at qb. Maybe Williams never recovers or be avg, never know, but his physical traits were off the charts even with the injury like Metchie.
 
leebigeztx said:
You know before the draft, one of the biggest needs/bpa was a offensive weapon to help whomever at qb. Maybe Williams never recovers or be avg, never know, but his physical traits were off the charts even with the injury like Metchie.
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And Williams was gone before the 13th pick.

Davis was my guy at 13. He would have helped solving the issues controlling the run game.
 
steelbtexan said:
I wanted Pickens over Metchie. But I certainly understand the Metchie pick.

They view Cooks as an outside guy, where he's played most of his career.
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I wanted Alec Pierce or Christian Watson. The Texans supposedly got Metchie to be the slot guy, but I liked Danny Gray and Calvin Austin III better as slot guys, and they were cheaper. I liked Alec Pierce as the WR1, so we could move Cooks to the slot. Tyquan Thorton was another one I was looking at as a potential WR1 for us. Metchie wasn't even on my list. After we drafted Metchie, I accepted it, and was happy to have him, but it doesn't change the fact that he wouldn't have been my choice. I hope he recovers and becomes a great player for us though.
 
leebigeztx said:
They could've moved up 1 spot or a couple of spots and give away picks like they did for Metchie correct.
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If they thought Williams was their guy and didn't need a first round player this year. What would that have accomplished now?
 
JB said:
If they thought Williams was their guy and didn't need a first round player this year. What would that have accomplished now?
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When he's cleared to play off his injury, he can dictate coverage with his speed and big play ability. It opens up the field for the underneath routes and run game. He's going to play this year if there are no setbacks.
 
leebigeztx said:
When he's cleared to play off his injury, he can dictate coverage with his speed and big play ability. It opens up the field for the underneath routes and run game. He's going to play this year if there are no setbacks.
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Yeah but it's going to be week 9 or 10 before he even starts to practice... they don't know yet. He should be great once he starts playing, but still...
 
JB said:
Yeah but it's going to be week 9 or 10 before he even starts to practice... they don't know yet. He should be great once he starts playing, but still...
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If Metchie wouldn't have had the cancer diagnosis, when was he going to play?
 
leebigeztx said:
They could've moved up 1 spot or a couple of spots and give away picks like they did for Metchie correct.
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Give me Metchie and Davis over Williams. The Texans needed as many high picks as possible. Plus I had Davis as a top 10 pick.
 
Good franchises have a tried and true system drafting that goes into their evaluations/grades. Take the best blue chip player available then add as much value that fits your criteria.
 
steelbtexan said:
Give me Metchie and Davis over Williams. The Texans needed as many high picks as possible. Plus I had Davis as a top 10 pick.
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You know that they could've given up a 4th rd pick to move up a couple of spots if they wanted. I'm not looking at the chart,but its not a big cost to get a premium talent if that's the teams grade. Lovie is never going to play with a 330lb inside guy. don't know why,he's just not going to do it.
 
leebigeztx said:
You know that they could've given up a 4th rd pick to move up a couple of spots if they wanted. I'm not looking at the chart,but its not a big cost to get a premium talent if that's the teams grade. Lovie is never going to play with a 330lb inside guy. don't know why,he's just not going to do it.
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Davis is a stud. 10 yr anchor and with the upgrades at receiver for Hurts and adding Davis that team is undefeated. You would think Lovie would learn from this. Of Caserio tells him we're picking a fatty this yr. Ika is a fatty I like alot.

If Lovie has to have a certain type DT, then I would try to trade a 2nd for Derrick Brown. A proven DT with 3 yrs left on his contract. Force Lovie to use a run stopped.
 
Can this thread be moved to the draft forum?
 
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steelbtexan said:
Davis is a stud. 10 yr anchor and with the upgrades at receiver for Hurts and adding Davis that team is undefeated. You would think Lovie would learn from this. Of Caserio tells him we're picking a fatty this yr. Ika is a fatty I like alot.

If Lovie has to have a certain type DT, then I would try to trade a 2nd for Derrick Brown. A proven DT with 3 yrs left on his contract. Force Lovie to use a run stopped.
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Well, they're undefeated because Hurts qb play has caught up with his intangibles. They're different the way the run the ball, but he's more decisive and accurate with the football. I never thought of him as an nfl quality qb in Bama, but in Oklahoma, he looked different. You take hurts off that squad, they're not undefeated. Davis was my dude before the draft and it made sense to draft him, but I kinda knew Lovie wasn't going to check off on a dude like that. I mean you don't have to have a plugger to stop the run, but you do need some size and guys who can get off blocks and keep the oline from reaching 2nd level. Gerald McCoy was good against the run in his prime and he was right at 300lbs.
 
leebigeztx said:
Well, they're undefeated because Hurts qb play has caught up with his intangibles. They're different the way the run the ball, but he's more decisive and accurate with the football. I never thought of him as an nfl quality qb in Bama, but in Oklahoma, he looked different. You take hurts off that squad, they're not undefeated. Davis was my dude before the draft and it made sense to draft him, but I kinda knew Lovie wasn't going to check off on a dude like that. I mean you don't have to have a plugger to stop the run, but you do need some size and guys who can get off blocks and keep the oline from reaching 2nd level. Gerald McCoy was good against the run in his prime and he was right at 300lbs.
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Give me the Ted Washington and Sam Adams/Gooses of the world. They help control run games Davis is a more athletic version of them. BTW, how's Davis partner Wyatt doing?
 
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28. Houston Texans (1-3-1)


Week 5 ranking: 32
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Chance to make the playoffs: 4.1%
Chance to win their division: 3.4%

The Texans' offense is holding the team back from being a legitimate playoff contender. The defense ranks 13th overall, holding teams to 19 points per game, but the offense is averaging 17 points, ranking 27th overall. And much of the scoring woes start with quarterback play. Davis Mills ranks 30th in QBR (31.8), and a large portion of his struggles centers around throwing the ball over 10 yards. He's completing only 44% of his passes over 10 yards according to Next Gen Stats, which ranks 21st among starting quarterbacks. -- DJ Bien-Aime
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steelbtexan said:
Give me the Ted Washington and Sam Adams/Gooses of the world. They help control run games Davis is a more athletic version of them. BTW, how's Davis partner Wyatt doing?
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Ted Washington was one of the most athletic men of his size to walk the the earth. Washington could drop step and dunk a basketball effortless. Sam is my 2nd cousin, his dad was on those old sorry Pats squad. I get your point. McCoy was one of the best run stoppers in the nfl and he was 300 lbs tops. Plus he could get inside pressure. That's more in the mold of what Lovie is looking for.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Looks like Lawrence took a major spill in the updated PFF grades for the 2021 QB class.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1579473369506144256
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Other than watching the games, I haven't been paying much attention this year. I do catch up on comments here on TT, on occasion. I find it oddly interesting that, discounting ZW because he's only played in two games, Mills leads in PFF rating. He's #2 behind Lawrence in Passer Rating. But then with QBR he's at the bottom of the list.

Oddly interesting, to find last year's premium QB class to be performing so poorly. Be careful what you wish for in next year's draft.
 
thunderkyss said:
The Giants appear to be doing well. Another new head coach, with a young QB.

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Dude has 3 tds and 2 ints at 6.4 ypa. He's not doing anything if you watch the games. Still plays scared.
 
Have we ever heard the endorsement from our own guys .

Like "he's the real deal", "he's my QB" that sort of things, from the veterans?
 
76Texan said:
Have we ever heard the endorsement from our own guys .

Like "he's the real deal", "he's my QB" that sort of things, from the veterans?
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pierce endorsed him last week after the game. Talked of his leadership thru the tough start to the season.

i believe Cooks did in the offseason as well.
 
Mr teX said:
yep, i’ve seen it all too many times where a new 1st time HC comes in and has immediate success with a young but fledgling qb…mostly b/c DC’s havent gotten a bead on the playcalling of the new OC/HC. The minute that happens and that fledgling qb has to win games, they get exposed.
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Jones not losing a fumble twice a game has been huge this year and is the main reason for his improvement imo
 
JB said:
Jones not losing a fumble twice a game has been huge this year and is the main reason for his improvement imo
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Correct, but the bar couldn’t be set any lower for “improvement” unless they asked him to limit the # of times he handed the ball off to Barkley. Jones is who he is, its just a matter if time before DC’s force Daboll to expose him.
 
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