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Davis Mills getting no respect
- Thread starter SnakeEyes
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Not just down field, but also outside the numbers. I'm really hoping he plays more loose and free as he gets more experience. He threw the ball where the play was designed to go. Meanwhile, he had the TE open in the middle of the field several times.
Which QBs played well this weekend, & which didn't?
Of course Mahomes was balling. Cousins had a good game. Herbert had a good game. Jameis had a good game.
Anyone else?
Rodgers had a bad game.
Just adding this for reference. I didn't watch most of these guys & don't think passer rating means they played well.
Of course Mahomes was balling. Cousins had a good game. Herbert had a good game. Jameis had a good game.
Anyone else?
Rodgers had a bad game.
Just adding this for reference. I didn't watch most of these guys & don't think passer rating means they played well.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
The two QBs Mills gets compared to the most (Wentz and Cousins) had good games.
So that means…
I didn't see happy feet.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
With a clean pocket he was fine for the most part..those darts he threw to OJ Howard...the dart he threw to Chris Moore that drew a PI that set up Howard's 1st TD...Nico's 1st catch in a tight window...he had a clean pocket & he had no issues with pulling the trigger & his accuracy on those throws downfield. The issues arose throwing it down the field and outside the numbers when he had people at his feet and/or pressure on his shoulder..& when Indy stopped giving him his concrete reads he looked indecisivive.... unsure when he should manuver around in the pocket or stay....when to move off his downfield read and when to just check it down.
See fans don't understand offenses depend on mismatches and undisciplined defensive play...... quite a bit. So often times when you're learning a new offense as a young qb, your reads are presented to you as concrete...i.e. "if the safety goes here, you look for this here backside/underneath.." Problem is, alot of times as a qb you don't get that concrete/definitive read for 1 reason or another. & what happens with young qbs is they tend to get stuck in no man's land.... read wise...& that's what i think happened to Mills in the 4th and OT........ alot..
Defensively the Colts started obscuring his reads by not being too quick to commit &/or jumping the underneath stuff..They started playing more disciplined. The best in the game tend to be able to manipulate defenses with their eyes and know when to come off reads. Clearly Mills in this new offense still has a ways to go in that department.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Allen, Mahomes, Cousins, Herbert and Tua all played well. Wentz started strong but fell back to earth late... Jones, Tanny & Winston, game managers who didn't really play any better than Mills did.
Most of those guys have played in their offenses for more than 1 yr and all of them were starting more than their 12th game. Also all of those QBs have better weapons to work with.
ghostlight
Veteran
Mills looked more confident and performed better that Dak MHO
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Mills finished #12 after Week 1.....forgot 2 games left tonight. Good news....#7 Tannehill lost, #11 Murray lost, and #12 Mills tied. 21 QB's finished behind Mills. McSorely (Cardinals) and Rush (Cowboys) got to go under center. Rush will be the starter unless Cowboys convince the 49'ers to part with Garoppolo.....which 49'ers may be hesitant to do after Trey laid an egg.
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dream_team
Hall of Fame
Every time Mills threw to the sidelines, it just seemed off. Don't know if receivers were running the wrong routes, but I saw a few times the receiver was open, decent pocket, and Mills just missed the receiver.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Still, all of these are veterans. Of the young qb's, Mills had the higher passer rating and Lawrence had a slightly higher qbr. Personally, I'm of the opinion that qb's with less than a years experience will not normally play on the same level as experienced veterans.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Excellant post.
I hear you. But my thinking & the reason I asked, after watching highlights last night, not many QBs actually played well. Most played well enough, like Mills.
Week 1 wasn’t flush with great QB play.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Mills needs a one-way ticket to benchville next year. Fortunately, I think the Texans brass understands this and knows you're never winning squat with Mills. They will let the kid die by his own self-inflicted wounds, and then they will go out and get their guy in the same way that RS brought in DW4.
No feel for the game, poor intangibles, isn't a natural leader, never makes an off-schedule play, can't create anything on his own, underthrows every single deep ball, can't play outside the numbers either run or pass, can't scramble, isn't self-aware, doesn't feel the rush, arm is average/ok, has no escapability...need I go on?
What does he do well? He does well with everyone in tune, lock-step, no major breakdowns, and you're inside the numbers. On those occasions, he's made some nice passes. The two to Howard yesterday were spot on and beautifully thrown.
The kid has a place in the league, but it's not as a long-term starter for anyone. And as a 3rd pick, he's really exactly what you expect. He doesn't get any respect as a clear number 1 because he's not that guy. Quit elevating a JAG because he wears deep steel blue. If he was on another team, we'd all feel sorry for their fans having to watch that nonsense every week. He's a lot better than Savage or some of the other trash that's come through Kirby but he's not good enough to be the LT starter for this or any other NFL team.
No feel for the game, poor intangibles, isn't a natural leader, never makes an off-schedule play, can't create anything on his own, underthrows every single deep ball, can't play outside the numbers either run or pass, can't scramble, isn't self-aware, doesn't feel the rush, arm is average/ok, has no escapability...need I go on?
What does he do well? He does well with everyone in tune, lock-step, no major breakdowns, and you're inside the numbers. On those occasions, he's made some nice passes. The two to Howard yesterday were spot on and beautifully thrown.
The kid has a place in the league, but it's not as a long-term starter for anyone. And as a 3rd pick, he's really exactly what you expect. He doesn't get any respect as a clear number 1 because he's not that guy. Quit elevating a JAG because he wears deep steel blue. If he was on another team, we'd all feel sorry for their fans having to watch that nonsense every week. He's a lot better than Savage or some of the other trash that's come through Kirby but he's not good enough to be the LT starter for this or any other NFL team.
Good thing we don't have Joe Burrow playing for the Texans... hate to hear how scathing your comments would be after his 4 ints yesterday
zshawn10
All Pro
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Mr teX
Hall of Fame
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That's a fair write up...
They key to your statement is that he can do all that, but ultimately the question is can he do it consistently enough to build on?
He's young and inexperienced so needs the benefit of the doubt for now. I do question if Pep is the OC that could get him to that next level or not.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
agreed.. I think ultimately the thing that's gonna make or break him is him being able to anticipate pre-snap what the defense is trying to do to him. I still think he's surprised by some of the things he seeing post snap & that's causing him to be a little late getting through his reads at times & also leads to his placement being off.
i liked Pep's playcalling for the most part. Gave him some easy reads to get the ball out of his hands quickly.
Hardcore Texan
Magnet Man
Nah man, just nah. I disagree completely, it's too early IMO to make such hardline definitive statements. This sounds like you have a grudge against the guy.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Eh...it's the internet and a message board. That's how you get the discussion going! Otherwise, it's boring if we all just sit around and agree. So as long as you keep it above board, feel free to disagree. That's the entire point of a message board.
And I hold no grudge, but I've seen enough to know he isn't the long-term answer. If you're happy with David Carr, you'll love Davis Mills.
Mangler
Toro de España
Where’s the lie though? Are we supposed to pretend that Davis Mills, a third rounder, did not outplay Trey Lance and Matt Ryan yesterday? Cause he did. Not saying Mills is the answer by any means, just stating facts for Week 1.
austins23
Hall of Fame
Yes, fair write up. The one thing that stood out to me in those few sentences about Mills was "And he was especially bad without the help of play-action, averaging minus-0.16 EPA per play on standard dropbacks"
This got in my craw....Isn't this why they draft Pierce? Add something to the running game..etc. The kid got 11 carries...11!!! Run game gets better, Mills gets better (captain obvious).
Texansballer74
The Marine
Some plays are specifically designed to go to that particular receiver. They wanted him to get rid of the ball quickly versus going through progressions.
And? There's a lot of bad quarterbacking in this league. My chump is better than your chump? If that helps you cheer harder, OK. Doesn't mean you have a franchise QB on your hands.
Mangler
Toro de España
Dafuck? I pretty much said that on the last sentence of that post you just quoted me on. Why you left it out is beyond me.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
You can put a hardhat on a gorilla but you don't want him operating a crane.
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
Mangler
Toro de España
Be careful now. I was threatened with a ban for referring to Derapist as ghetto trash because that was a “racist” remark. So please use “furry buddy” instead of the G-word for your protection. Gracias!
Watching the game last night I come to realize how much the Texans (Pep & Lovie, probably Caserio) do not like the team they put together.
I understand & I'm sure they do as well, it is what it is & you can only do so much with the time given. But they're not happy with their TEs, they're not happy with their WRs, they're not happy with their RBS. & the snap count shows it. imo
I'm not trying to hurt your feelings. Just talking football.Dafuck? I pretty much said that on the last sentence of that post you just quoted me on. Why you left it out is beyond me.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Dang you got all this after one game.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I didn't either. I came and went throughout the game. Had stuff to do so I didn't watch it all but the maybe two quarters I saw made me think he looked slow to pick up on what was happening around him on the bad plays. He looked slow to me. Slow processing the way the play was developing but I'll add that I think that's a sign of a guy still learning. Now we see if he can digest the speed of the game and the system he's in and produce results or if he's hit his ceiling and can't create anything on his own. When everything goes exactly the way it's supposed to most guys who made it to the NFL can look pretty good. It's when their primary receiver doesn't get open and the line doesn't hold up that we see what they really can do. Still somewhat optimistic at this point about Mills.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Saw happy feet which hadn't been a big problem before. His mechanics sometimes went to sh*t because of it.
He appears to know his #1 and #2 routes in a play. That's it. Nothing more.
Plays conservative and might be overcoached against turnovers.
He's purely a game manager at this stage of his career and can't take over without help.
He appears to know his #1 and #2 routes in a play. That's it. Nothing more.
Plays conservative and might be overcoached against turnovers.
He's purely a game manager at this stage of his career and can't take over without help.
My concern is the conservative, easy-to-predict playcalling in the 4th when the Colts were gaining momentum. It just seems such a typical "Texans" thing to do.
It's just one game so I don't want to overreact. That said, we saw three solid quarters and then the entire team turtled. That, to me, is on coaching. Lovie is known for being extremely conservative and he played not to lose. Maybe it was a calculated decision that a tie would not taste as bad as a loss after losing a 17 point lead in a quarter. But it sends a message that this team has no killer instinct and no ability to force its will on a team they were beating for 45 minutes.
Hopefully it's just one game and we start to see the team gel into something that doesn't wet the bed. But, as a Texans fan with a long memory, it just felt so damn familiar in the 4th quarter. I even told my buddy that this is the quarter that we might see if this franchise is turning any kind of corner, and it ended up being the same old boring, predictable decisions.
Just my thoughts, but nothing concrete. I want to see more games before assuming it's the same old Texans.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
That part about delivering with a dirty pocket is my issue. I've stated this a few times because thats what seperate qbs in this league. You're not going to always allowed to have that nice clean cup. You have to be able to short step and drive the ball and so far he hasn't shown he can do it. That flea flicker was ridiculous and should've been 6. The 1st OJ Howard throw was a good throw. The Nico throw was a very good throw also. Moore saved him on one and he threw a couple that were easy money that were off. All in all, he played about like a expected him to honestly.
Like a rookie? Isn't that what he really is?
Dejaview
All Pro
Mills agreed. Said his timing was off with his receivers on some sideline routes. He seemed to indicate he rushed some of the throws so he didn’t take a sack and timing will be emphasized this week to correct it.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Think you might be selling him short a bit on his dirty pocket play. He made a number of throws with guys in his face throughout the game and with guys on his heels..He just didn't make enough of them late in the game........ where they typically matter most. Time will tell, I've been on record saying that he could go either way. Guys typically have already shown that they're either going to be a good one, or they're in over their head. I really can't crack him right now.
Mr.Scarface
Rookie
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This is why PFF is Bullshit. You are going to tell me that Mahomes, with his 141 passer rating in week 1, was the 8th best QB in week 1? LOL.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
He's not rookie, and my expectations of him are lower than others. Again, I think he's a solid player. I'm not comparing him to other 2nd players, I'm comparing him to qbs as a whole and what I think he is, not what people hope he is. He didn't play a bad game, he played well enough for the team to win.
Looks like PFF graded him just a coupe clicks behind a guy named Brady who I believe has been in the league awhile.NFL Week 1 Hype Check: Which Teams Lived Up to Their Offseason Billing—and Which Didn’t?
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