beerlover
Hall of Fame
Mills just needs to be the best version of himself.
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2023 Davis Mills vs Bryce Young
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Texansphan
Football connoisseur
What about the rest of the offense?
It takes more than the QB to make a good one - and Texans also have no Bill Belichek as coach.
He’s just saying we don’t need Mills to be Prescott, Wilson, or Brady. He just needs to be Davis Mills. Read the post he quoted
badboy
Hall of Fame
I don't see caserio moving Lovie Smith anytime soon so he is the coach for the next 2 to 3 years. We will have to build the team up for any quarterback that we have any chance getting. So for me it's back to the thread title: which will we go forward into the future with Davis Mills & 2 years or a better QB thru draft with 5 years of controlled $¿ If DM is QB we hope, he's going to be extremely expensive. Not that the cap cannot handle that but do we need to do that 2 years before we have to?
I try not to put too much weight on TC reports. If it’s anyone affiliated with the Texans, it sounds like Bob Euker in Major League. Coming from outside the Texans, I’ve seen too many reporters that don’t follow the Texans and seem to group think.
I base most of my opinions once I start seeing games.
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How can you have your mind made up on anything related to Mills? Peyton Manning didn’t look great at all in his rookie campaign.
I prefer to keep an open mind and not form solid opinions until I’ve seen enough evidence to base an opinion on.
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He doesn’t have the physical talent of the guys I mentioned he is not. He’s going to have to be like the other guys where it was more about being clutch in clutch moments
badboy
Hall of Fame
Like on this MB consider the source.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I think I'm acquainted with what he was saying - I am harping on my point that of how good can he be with mediocrity around him?
badboy
Hall of Fame
If green and Pearce turn out to be mediocre somebody needs to look at our scouting Department.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I would add Pitre and a 100% Stingley.
I know it takes time to rebuild a team but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I agree but was focusing only on the offense to impacts Davis mills. My only concern for the future is stingly and Metchie.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Possible is the operative word.
I would settle for top ten in the league.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Screw that.
If he ain’t Hall of Fame he better be top 3 over multiple years. And get on a second contract.
You don’t take that type of risk on a player at 3 with a lisfranc injury for top 10.
To get a head start on the 2023 Texans draft, I'm focusing on the players with the most substantial history of injuries. To quote Nick Caserio, "If they ain't aching, we ain't taking."
badboy
Hall of Fame
I'm already looking at 2024 draft.
Anybody checking out next yrs FA class?
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
In terms of what?
Where's the most talent in the fa class?
Is this a good class to find a WR or edge for instance?
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2023-nfl-draft-preseason-top-50-big-board
Looks to be a good draft for edge early... but it's so early
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
With the wr market for good wr's, teams are better off drafting them for sure. Edge is pretty much the same. Now if you're talking mid tier where the overpayment doesn't hurt as much, then there are always guys who fit that category. The pro personel people make their money on ascending, underused players. In New England, Vrabel was the classic example. When they traded Hopkins, I wanted Kirk back.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
After two preseason games and the college football season not even being played yet I think this thread is an overreaction.
Are we seriously going to discuss the performance of something that hasn’t happened yet?
Wait - I forgot where I am.
Proceed good sir.
Chris Myers is a good example from Texans history.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
Be careful with Ohio State QB's. Just using stats is not a good idea due to the athletes they have at WR, Alabama as well. I think those QB's look much better when they have a huge talent advantage in college. I am not saying they suck, but just watching game tape throwing from a clean pocket to guys yards open streaking ain't the NFL. NFL is tight windows, reading defenses and having good pocket awareness/movement. These guys don't have to do much of that so I don't get too excited and find it hard to evaluate them from most of their games. All that being said, Mills has to get to at least middling (15 or so) or we throw a flyer on the best NFL QB. He looks pretty flat so far this pre-season, and I think the other QB's outplayed him in game 2. Sounds like Lovie will let the starters start next game, let's see what they look like as a unit
badboy
Hall of Fame
Well I do agree with you keep in mind that high drafted Alabama players are going to crappy teams for the most part. It's amusing to me that for years around here there was a huge aversion to game managing type quarterback. And now that seems like what we are wanting. I want meals to succeed. He just needs to show that he can do that. Stop blaming not having offensive line or running back. Of course that helps but sometimes he just needs to make a good play. This season will be a good demonstration of what he can do.
badboy
Hall of Fame
His performance is exactly what is happening for the last two games. Not sure what you're talking about. I am not saying the sky is falling but I don't need a acorn to fall on my head to know there's a tree somewhere. You do realize that both Stroud and Bryce Young have played an entire College season? I have been evaluating both.
2022 is another season to evaluate players. No one will be drafted or traded until 2023 but some plan ahead and never have to initiate the plan. Others wake up in the middle of Hurricane Ike trying to buy flood insurance.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
That’s a pretty bad analogy.
A better one is we are given a final SAT grade on a person who just got done taking the PSAT with a number 3 pencil and no calculator.
Let the kid take the SATs with his calculator and number 2 pencil. Then let’s grade him.
The last two “games” weren’t even that. They were preseason.
And the two college players still have a season to be played. They could regress. They could (god forbid) have bad injuries.
We need to see, and have the benefit of seeing each play another season.
I just don’t see what the rush is to be Nostradamus and predict something one way or another. You still don’t have all the evidence.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I just don't understand how you think that a player cannot be graded or evaluated in a preseason game? You take into effect who he's playing with and the play calling and how he reacts. It's not that difficult. And by the way I like my acorn better than your number two or number three pencil. LOL
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
To me I am in no rush to grade him one way or the other. You just get more useful data from grading him in regular season games than preseason. There are just too many variables in preseason to consider. That’s why while I believe one could argue Mills’ performance the last two games leaves one to want more, you definitely have to put context around it: it’s preseason.
We have the luxury of time to wait and watch. That is a great thing to have. Watch all three and see what they are.
For me Mills has to out games on his back and win. He has to win in big moments. Like December 4th.
Mills’ replacement, if one is needed, better not have Mulugheta as his agent. The Texans won’t go that way. And I don’t blame them.
Hopefully that acorn helps you see things my way. LOL.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I don't think the Texans are taking players off their board because they're being represented by Athletes 1st. I have no evidence of this, but the quality of players the agency has and will continue to get, by trading Watson actually keeps a relationship with the team. Its no different than when the Boras represented all the guys from the seemingly.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Muluguta and that company did the Texans dirty. They got their client to sign a contract with no trade clause and then months later demanded a trade.
As a franchise I would do my best to a stay away from a company like that.
You are who you associate with. And players represented by that company are probably just as unethical and would be willing to break their word.
SMDH,
You may not see evidence now, but you will.
Exactly
The McNair's probably have had enough of these POS to last a lifetime.
BTW, they should steer clear of Avery clients too. They don't listen to their coaches when it comes to QB play. They just do what Avery has taught them and who's the last Avery client to win a championship?
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Time reveals all
Porky
Hall of Fame
Did you think DW4 was playing CB, DL, and LB all at once? That defense was historically bad. How many games did Watson put the team ahead with a brilliant drive, only to see the D give it up? Things need some context at times. It's not all black and white. Mills 4 wins isn't even close to the same as Watson's 4 wins.
Regardless of his turdness off the field, if you think Mills <> Watson, you're not being truthful.
Of course they aren't, the Texans were predicted to have the worst record in the league last year and they ended up winning as many games with Mills as they did Derrick as I predicted before last season started.
Are you going to feel the same way after they win 4-6 games this yr? The difference is they're building a team with a young QB. Rather than having a 4 yr vet who lead his team to 51-7. I said at the time that Cal needed to fire BOB and trade Derrick. Flush the toilet on them. McNair chose not to do that and paid the price. Where McNair got lucky is that Derrick is a perv and that allowed him to get out from Derrick's choking azz contract. Good riddance, the future now is brighter whether Mills is the guy or not. The Texans got a badly needed flushing of the toilet.
There isn’t a single good Ohio State QB in the NFL EVER!! Danger danger!!
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TexansBull
Hall of Fame
So that means they are due to have a good one. Odds are looking good.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Stroud could be the one but not for me with his agent.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
It shouldn’t be about either one of them b/c neither have taken an NFL snap to date. Mills was the 8th QB drafted in 2021 and was either #1 or #1B by seasons end….and achieved this behind a gawd awful team. I doubt very seriously that Stroud nor Young arrive in 2023 to more fanfare than Trevor Lawrence who was supposed to be a generational QB.
Let’s see Stroud and Young get a NFL season in the books before comparing them to Davis Mills.
Honestly, from what you've seen, who do you think will have a better career? Why?
Clemson trash is just that, Clemson trash.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I believe most any CFB QB could enjoy some degree of NFL success if they're drafted by the right team and at the right time. Roethlisberger comes to mind as a med-tier QB who arrived to the perfect situation in Pittsburgh. Tom Brady gets drafted by New England and the rest is history. Montana and Young wind up in San Francisco at the right time and the rest is history. How about Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams, Rich Gannon, etc and their unexpected success.....with the right teams at the right time?
As for:
Lawrence (Jags) got stuck with a pretty bad organization. He had a pretty sub-par season that didn't really hit any consistent high points. It's going to be hard to predict his NFL success. He was drafted as a generational QB who couldn't even out perform a RD3 QB playing on an equally horrible team. This season may determine if Mills is the better long term NFL QB.
Wilson (Jets) is injured but that woudn't have changed much. He's looked overwhelmed with the Jets. This could be a much different season if he's back on the field soon enough to enjoy the pieces that were drafted to help their offense. I think the Jets are back in the QB market come 2024.
Lance (49'ers) begins his 49'ers career this season as the starter. I don't think anyone knows what Trey brings to the field yet.
Fields (Bears) appears to be carrying the Ohio St QB jinx. Bears have to get better before Fields gets better....otherwise this could be a lost investment.
Jones (Patriots) had the most success. He was solid as a starter and the Patriots enjoyed a pretty successful season with a rookie QB at the helm. Great organization usually yields great results. I think it could be Jones and Mills at the top of the heap from this group of QB's.
Trask (Bucs) is getting developed properly. He's learning behind Brady and may get another couple of seasons to do so. Trask won't be rated until he's under center for the Bucs and that could be a completely different team after Brady's retirement.
Mond (Vikings) is a bust and should start preparing himself mentally on becoming a USFL or XFL QB.....or maybe a Canadian team might give him a chance. I wonder how many times the Vikings kick themselves in the arse for taking Mond instead of Mills?
As for Mills....we haven't seen him go under center with the 2022 starting unit yet. Maybe we'll get a little taste on Friday. If Mills continues to build off the last 5 games from last season and the new offense works as well as the new pieces.....Mills has a nice chance to take another big step.
I'm sorry, I think I missed it.
From your answer, it sounds like you believe the right guy has to be drafted by the right team, or at least that helps significantly. But then you say the Jags are just as bad a team as the Texans, or the Texans are just as bad a team as the Jags.
So we've got two guys, drafted by bad teams. Most likely neither will be all that successful. I get that. But of the two, which will have a better career?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Mills has so far and I believe year two development favors Mills as well. So, I’m going to go with Mills.