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Preseason GM 1: Saints vs Texans

Pretty sure pre-season games are required by the NFL so yeah if I’m a HV that’s required to play 3 games that won’t matter but could have serious consequences on my season if my starters get hurt, since pre-season is played at full speed, I’m using it give my starters a couple of reps if I think they need to shake the rust off and the rest just as a “play for your life” chance for depth guys.

While I don’t put much stock in a pre-season win I don’t put any stock in a pre-season loss. To me these games are the NFL and teams trying to get some extra money out of the season and risking a teams entire season to do it. How many teams have there been that had the roster for a good season just for a freak accident to happen in a preseason game? Given that we have three main starters, Stingley, Howard and Tunsil with questionable medical history already yeah I wouldn’t roll those dice either.
 
maverick512000 said:
While I don’t put much stock in a pre-season win I don’t put any stock in a pre-season loss.
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I here ya

But… of all the teams that played this weekend, how would you say the Texans compared to other teams.

Giants/Patriots was a good game. Lions/Bears was a good game.

IMO, Texans offense was pathetic. Outside the last 1:37 it seemed they had no intentions of moving the ball downfield. Scoring wasn’t even an after thought.

Preseason, I get it. But if you didn’t know how far behind the Texans were, you should know now.

Play calling is an issue & until we see different it will be an issue. I was left wondering, “what the heck have they been working on?” I’m not upset, it is what it is. But they are further behind than I thought.

Defensively was more a surprise than anything. If you’re going to play “Lovie’s” defense with these small LBs, you’re going to have to be a lot better reading run keys & attacking the LOS.

That’s fundamental. & I’m just not seeing it. & this is year 2 of Lovie’s D. Even the backups should have been better against the run than what we saw last night.

That’s not to say I’m pessimistic, or chicken little about the situation. Maybe the Saints are that good running the ball as an offensive system (& it’s not all about Kamara), we shall see.

But if Lovie isn’t extremely upset about how the defense played the run something is really wrong on a fundamental level.

I won’t “know” one way or the other until we see improvement. But if we’re seeing scrubs running 7 yards untouched on the regular it’s going to be a long, long 17 week schedule
 
thunderkyss said:
I here ya

But… of all the teams that played this weekend, how would you say the Texans compared to other teams.

Giants/Patriots was a good game. Lions/Bears was a good game.

IMO, Texans offense was pathetic. Outside the last 1:37 it seemed they had no intentions of moving the ball downfield. Scoring wasn’t even an after thought.

Preseason, I get it. But if you didn’t know how far behind the Texans were, you should know now.

Play calling is an issue & until we see different it will be an issue. I was left wondering, “what the heck have they been working on?” I’m not upset, it is what it is. But they are further behind than I thought.

Defensively was more a surprise than anything. If you’re going to play “Lovie’s” defense with these small LBs, you’re going to have to be a lot better reading run keys & attacking the LOS.

That’s fundamental. & I’m just not seeing it. & this is year 2 of Lovie’s D. Even the backups should have been better against the run than what we saw last night.

That’s not to say I’m pessimistic, or chicken little about the situation. Maybe the Saints are that good running the ball as an offensive system (& it’s not all about Kamara), we shall see.

But if Lovie isn’t extremely upset about how the defense played the run something is really wrong on a fundamental level.

I won’t “know” one way or the other until we see improvement. But if we’re seeing scrubs running 7 yards untouched on the regular it’s going to be a long, long 17 week schedule
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I’ve seen quite of few teams this weekend who look just as worse. You also have to acknowledge the fact that we had three of our starters on that line who didn’t play. The Saints knew this and we full out blitz. Nothing vanilla on those first two series. We also didn’t play Cooks, Brown or Nico. Not trying to make up any excuses but come on. Lol I would’ve been pleasantly surprised if they did move the ball on the Saints first team defense.

I’m pretty sure Lovie is not thrilled Will the entire teams performance. But like he said, he looking to evaluate the youngster and free agents that were acquired.

Now in preseason game 3, when both the offense and defense will play their first teams. And if they look like what was displayed on yesterday. Then that’s when we should be concerned.
 
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thunderkyss said:
I here ya

But… of all the teams that played this weekend, how would you say the Texans compared to other teams.

Giants/Patriots was a good game. Lions/Bears was a good game.

IMO, Texans offense was pathetic. Outside the last 1:37 it seemed they had no intentions of moving the ball downfield. Scoring wasn’t even an after thought.

Preseason, I get it. But if you didn’t know how far behind the Texans were, you should know now.

Play calling is an issue & until we see different it will be an issue. I was left wondering, “what the heck have they been working on?” I’m not upset, it is what it is. But they are further behind than I thought.

Defensively was more a surprise than anything. If you’re going to play “Lovie’s” defense with these small LBs, you’re going to have to be a lot better reading run keys & attacking the LOS.

That’s fundamental. & I’m just not seeing it. & this is year 2 of Lovie’s D. Even the backups should have been better against the run than what we saw last night.

That’s not to say I’m pessimistic, or chicken little about the situation. Maybe the Saints are that good running the ball as an offensive system (& it’s not all about Kamara), we shall see.

But if Lovie isn’t extremely upset about how the defense played the run something is really wrong on a fundamental level.

I won’t “know” one way or the other until we see improvement. But if we’re seeing scrubs running 7 yards untouched on the regular it’s going to be a long, long 17 week schedule
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I don’t know what was going on with anything.

All I know is Joe Burrow threw 3 consecutive interceptions.

He ain’t getting benched anytime soon.

So I will continue to be happy with the highs I saw and and the lows because the last two years have been hell. Well, actually ever since the Hoyer the Destroyer year.

Just knowing we don’t have to deal with Watson and OB is refreshing. We have a bonafide NFL coach and QB with potential.

Knowing we got a competent GM is great two.

This may not last long and everything may blow up.

But for now, NFL football is back in Houston with a lot more to be happy about than what we have had in a long time. We finally pressed that reset button that was long overdue. And the team is rebuilding and has potential.

I am going to hold onto feeling regardless.
 
thunderkyss said:
I here ya

But… of all the teams that played this weekend, how would you say the Texans compared to other teams.

Giants/Patriots was a good game. Lions/Bears was a good game.

IMO, Texans offense was pathetic. Outside the last 1:37 it seemed they had no intentions of moving the ball downfield. Scoring wasn’t even an after thought.

Preseason, I get it. But if you didn’t know how far behind the Texans were, you should know now.

Play calling is an issue & until we see different it will be an issue. I was left wondering, “what the heck have they been working on?” I’m not upset, it is what it is. But they are further behind than I thought.

Defensively was more a surprise than anything. If you’re going to play “Lovie’s” defense with these small LBs, you’re going to have to be a lot better reading run keys & attacking the LOS.

That’s fundamental. & I’m just not seeing it. & this is year 2 of Lovie’s D. Even the backups should have been better against the run than what we saw last night.

That’s not to say I’m pessimistic, or chicken little about the situation. Maybe the Saints are that good running the ball as an offensive system (& it’s not all about Kamara), we shall see.

But if Lovie isn’t extremely upset about how the defense played the run something is really wrong on a fundamental level.

I won’t “know” one way or the other until we see improvement. But if we’re seeing scrubs running 7 yards untouched on the regular it’s going to be a long, long 17 week schedule
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I don’t think you can compare teams at this point. Let’s say a team on the bottom like the Jags or Falcons decide to play their starters all 4 quarters in every pre-season game. If you just look at that they are going to look like a unstoppable super bowl bound team. The point is until all teams are going all out you can’t say A looked better than B though yes realistically you know some teams are better. However, I noticed last year that Texans used the pre season games as a trial by fire for guys that are on the edge of being cut or signed. So even in regards to our backups not looking ready at this point I’m not even ready to say these guys will be our backups.
 
maverick512000 said:
However, I noticed last year that Texans used the pre season games as a trial by fire for guys that are on the edge of being cut or signed
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Last year the focus was on winning games in the preseason while weeding out the few
 
JB said:
When?
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Lol.

Ok. So hears the thing.

I remember reading about how bad the Bears field was.

Then I am in the NFL subreddit. I see this picture and it says highlight headlined. It’s the Bears and the Bengals. Burrow threw 3 interceptions. I figured it was because of his recent surgery.

Silly me I never clicked on the title until now. I thought it was preseason. It is from week 2, 2021.

I never said I was a smart man.

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My first watch of the game:

1. Pierce and Pitre looked as good as advertised.
2. Mills executed a ultra conservative playbook for his only 2 series. 3rd and long looked far too familiar.
3. Wanted to watch the OL and the personnel. 2nd group looked nice and obviously opened up some nice running lanes. I didn’t realize until later that Heck was playing LT. Deculus didn’t look horrible at RT. Look forward to seeing this group next week which should be the only Pre Season game that offers up a bit more competition from the starters.
4. Wanted to watch the DL and the personnel. 2nd group looked nice and appeared to get more pressure in the backfield that what I expected. Loved a couple of the sacks as well. Like I mentioned above…..looking forward to next weeks game.

I believe Caserio, Lovie and Pep are going to hold their cards close to their chest (aka Belichick) for the Pre Season and pull the veil back on game one of the regular season. The next 2 games in the pre season is for roster building purposes only. Enjoying the process.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
My first watch of the game:

1. Pierce and Pitre looked as good as advertised.
2. Mills executed a ultra conservative playbook for his only 2 series. 3rd and long looked far too familiar.
3. Wanted to watch the OL and the personnel. 2nd group looked nice and obviously opened up some nice running lanes. I didn’t realize until later that Heck was playing LT. Deculus didn’t look horrible at RT. Look forward to seeing this group next week which should be the only Pre Season game that offers up a bit more competition from the starters.
4. Wanted to watch the DL and the personnel. 2nd group looked nice and appeared to get more pressure in the backfield that what I expected. Loved a couple of the sacks as well. Like I mentioned above…..looking forward to next weeks game.

I believe Caserio, Lovie and Pep are going to hold their cards close to their chest (aka Belichick) for the Pre Season and pull the veil back on game one of the regular season. The next 2 games in the pre season is for roster building purposes only. Enjoying the process.
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There you go it wasn't bad at all, actually some very positive things happened, when we remind ourselves it's just the first preseason game of the 2022 season with 17 game regular season games.
Sit down and read OP-Texans review here and have a cold one, quit freakin out people it's too soon to go silly like that.
 
TexansBull said:
I don’t know what was going on with anything.

All I know is Joe Burrow threw 3 consecutive interceptions.

He ain’t getting benched anytime soon.

So I will continue to be happy with the highs I saw and and the lows because the last two years have been hell. Well, actually ever since the Hoyer the Destroyer year.

Just knowing we don’t have to deal with Watson and OB is refreshing. We have a bonafide NFL coach and QB with potential.

Knowing we got a competent GM is great two.

This may not last long and everything may blow up.

But for now, NFL football is back in Houston with a lot more to be happy about than what we have had in a long time. We finally pressed that reset button that was long overdue. And the team is rebuilding and has potential.

I am going to hold onto feeling regardless.
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Come'on TBull. these guys want you to join them-

:coffee:
 
I look at pre-season on an individual basis. I'll use risers and fallers..

Rising...
D Pierce, J Pitre, Deculus, Johnny Johnson, Jalen Camp, Blake Cashman, Kurt Hinish, Cam Johnson (those punts!), Ade Odeleye, Derek Rivers, Tremon Smith, MJ Stewart, Isaac Yiadom

All of those guys and possibly a couple of others...(Booker, Murray) stood out in one way or another to my eyes.

Falling...
Chad Beebee, Connor Weddington, Royce Freeman, Fabian Moreau, Davis Mills, Jeff Driskel

All of those guys failed to impress me. Driskel - it's really not fair. I mean against expectations, I guess he lived up to my expectations, but his arm is a limp noodle. I can see him as a 3rd guy I suppose but other than emergency duty, he should never see the field as a QB. Mills...he played so little so I'm not going to be overly critical at this time, but c'mon Davis. Get your sheet together quick, or the checkdown Charlie label is going to be tattooed on your neck.

PS - Did anyone see Quentin Tarantino - our new movie director/TE?
 
Porky said:
I look at pre-season on an individual basis. I'll use risers and fallers..

Rising...
D Pierce, J Pitre, Deculus, Johnny Johnson, Jalen Camp, Blake Cashman, Kurt Hinish, Cam Johnson (those punts!), Ade Odeleye, Derek Rivers, Tremon Smith, MJ Stewart, Isaac Yiadom

All of those guys and possibly a couple of others...(Booker, Murray) stood out in one way or another to my eyes.

Falling...
Chad Beebee, Connor Weddington, Royce Freeman, Fabian Moreau, Davis Mills, Jeff Driskel

All of those guys failed to impress me. Driskel - it's really not fair. I mean against expectations, I guess he lived up to my expectations, but his arm is a limp noodle. I can see him as a 3rd guy I suppose but other than emergency duty, he should never see the field as a QB. Mills...he played so little so I'm not going to be overly critical at this time, but c'mon Davis. Get your sheet together quick, or the checkdown Charlie label is going to be tattooed on your neck.

PS - Did anyone see Quentin Tarantino - our new movie director/TE?
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You got all of this about Mills from 2 series in the 1st preseason game when Mills was playing without his top 2 WR's and most of the starting OL? Man you're good at judging talent.
 
steelbtexan said:
You got all of this about Mills from 2 series in the 1st preseason game when Mills was playing without his top 2 WR's and most of the starting OL? Man you're good at judging talent.
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I'm not in charge of his playing time. I can only judge based on what I saw in very limited action. In that brief window - I was not in the least impressed. I would have kept him out there for a 3rd series when the D got the ball in favorable field position. As I specifically said...I'm not going to be overly judgmental yet. Let's see the rest of the PS unfold, and then give it a game or two into the reg season before we start to make any real judgements. But do you at least agree that it wasn't a good look?
 
steelbtexan said:
You got all of this about Mills from 2 series in the 1st preseason game when Mills was playing without his top 2 WR's and most of the starting OL? Man you're good at judging talent.
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I suspect we're not gonna really know much more about Mills until about halfway through the season. He's not exactly surrounded by all-stars to help him out. I hope Mills works out, it would be really convenient not to have to use any of those future first round picks on a QB.
 
Porky said:
All of those guys failed to impress me. Driskel - it's really not fair. I mean against expectations, I guess he lived up to my expectations, but his arm is a limp noodle. I can see him as a 3rd guy I suppose but other than emergency duty, he should never see the field as a QB. Mills...he played so little so I'm not going to be overly critical at this time, but c'mon Davis. Get your sheet together quick, or the checkdown Charlie label is going to be tattooed on your neck.
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Personally, I was impressed by Driskell. Not because he played well, not because he's starter material, but because he looks so much better than I've ever seen him play before. This is a guy they were transitioning to a TE, but he actually looked like a 3rd string QB... which is what he is supposed to be.
 
Thorn said:
I suspect we're not gonna really know much more about Mills until about halfway through the season. He's not exactly surrounded by all-stars to help him out. I hope Mills works out, it would be really convenient not to have to use any of those future first round picks on a QB.
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I don't think we will know how good Mills is until the 2023 season is about 1/2 way done.
 
Porky said:
I'm not in charge of his playing time. I can only judge based on what I saw in very limited action. In that brief window - I was not in the least impressed. I would have kept him out there for a 3rd series when the D got the ball in favorable field position. As I specifically said...I'm not going to be overly judgmental yet. Let's see the rest of the PS unfold, and then give it a game or two into the reg season before we start to make any real judgements. But do you at least agree that it wasn't a good look?
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It wasn't a good look because of the play calling. ( I don't disagree with how Pep called plays in this situation) and the fact that most of the starting OL was on the bench, as well as Cooks/Collins. Serious question, how did you expect Mills to look considering all of these guys weren't in the lineup. Things went as expected IMHO.
 
steelbtexan said:
It wasn't a good look because of the play calling. ( I don't disagree with how Pep called plays in this situation) and the fact that most of the starting OL was on the bench, as well as Cooks/Collins. Serious question, how did you expect Mills to look considering all of these guys weren't in the lineup. Things went as expected IMHO.
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Yeah, I didn't like the play calling at all. OTOH, this is a pre-season game with a strange makeshift combination of players, and given the overall situation, I find it hard to really pick that nit.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Personally, I was impressed by Driskell. Not because he played well, not because he's starter material, but because he looks so much better than I've ever seen him play before. This is a guy they were transitioning to a TE, but he actually looked like a 3rd string QB... which is what he is supposed to be.
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i can buy that. He did look like a guy that might stick around a while and it might be a stretch, but maybe…possibly work his way into a backup spot somewhere.
 
steelbtexan said:
It wasn't a good look because of the play calling. ( I don't disagree with how Pep called plays in this situation) and the fact that most of the starting OL was on the bench, as well as Cooks/Collins. Serious question, how did you expect Mills to look considering all of these guys weren't in the lineup. Things went as expected IMHO.
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Did the play calling suddenly improve when Pearce replaced Mack? Same calls, same offense, if anything worse online, yet better play. Part of the reason Mills didn’t get more snaps was his own checkdown Charlie routine. Its preseason, even if a guy isn’t fully open why not test your skill and try to zip it in there. Instead he played it about as conservative as humanely possible. There’s a fine line between being careful and being so dull and conservative that you make no plays.If the guy is going to be the answer, he has to be a playmaker. I don’t see it but hope he changes my mind.
 
Porky said:
Did the play calling suddenly improve when Pearce replaced Mack? Same calls, same offense, if anything worse online, yet better play. Part of the reason Mills didn’t get more snaps was his own checkdown Charlie routine. Its preseason, even if a guy isn’t fully open why not test your skill and try to zip it in there. Instead he played it about as conservative as humanely possible. There’s a fine line between being careful and being so dull and conservative that you make no plays.If the guy is going to be the answer, he has to be a playmaker. I don’t see it but hope he changes my mind.
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Bingo!
 
Dameon? DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Next Jersey I buy since.... Andre's
Mills.......... BOB you've come back!!!!!!!!?
Pass rush... we need some fat there. Concerned. LB corp very unknown
 
Porky said:
Did the play calling suddenly improve when Pearce replaced Mack? Same calls, same offense, if anything worse online, yet better play. Part of the reason Mills didn’t get more snaps was his own checkdown Charlie routine. Its preseason, even if a guy isn’t fully open why not test your skill and try to zip it in there. Instead he played it about as conservative as humanely possible. There’s a fine line between being careful and being so dull and conservative that you make no plays.If the guy is going to be the answer, he has to be a playmaker. I don’t see it but hope he changes my mind.
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I think you are asking for too much for a QB to make play maker plays in the first preseason game when he isn’t working with his the majority of his starting OL or his top targets.

If NO had it’s top corners in the game, we still had or 3rd and 4th string WRs in. Are they getting open? There was one play or the NO defense blew threw the line and got Mack for a 5 yard loss immediately after the hand off.

I don’t think we will be able to judge Mills until later in the season possibly. He has shown as the season goes on he gets better.

Finally - is it possible that the play calling did get better as the game went on? Do coaches call a different game for guys trying to make a team vs guys they know are on the team? I would think they are more concerned keeping the guys they know are on the team staying healthy then calling some playmaker play. Those guys aren’t trying to prove anything just yet.
 
I like what I saw from Ade Odeleye, Derek Rivers, Dameon Pierce, Johnson baby lotion, Jalen Camp, Pitre and our punter. Tramon has a future as a special team returner. I’m not too big on him just yet. He played against janitors so of course he’s going to look good. A lot of our starters didn’t play but the defense looks to have improved. I think Mills went 3 & out on the first two drives but all in all, he seems to be a solid player. I like his attitude and he seems like a no bs player which I can respect. He’s going to continue to improve
 
TexansBull said:
I think you are asking for too much for a QB to make play maker plays in the first preseason game when he isn’t working with his the majority of his starting OL or his top targets.

If NO had it’s top corners in the game, we still had or 3rd and 4th string WRs in. Are they getting open? There was one play or the NO defense blew threw the line and got Mack for a 5 yard loss immediately after the hand off.

I don’t think we will be able to judge Mills until later in the season possibly. He has shown as the season goes on he gets better.

Finally - is it possible that the play calling did get better as the game went on? Do coaches call a different game for guys trying to make a team vs guys they know are on the team? I would think they are more concerned keeping the guys they know are on the team staying healthy then calling some playmaker play. Those guys aren’t trying to prove anything just yet.
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Its preseason, right? Doesn't count, who cares about stats? Why not just run a route for the 1st down and let it rip? I mean, it doesn't count. There may be a situation just like this in the game with wr down,but the team needs a completion and keep a drive alive. So the qb just gonna check it down and punt?
 
leebigeztx said:
Its preseason, right? Doesn't count, who cares about stats? Why not just run a route for the 1st down and let it rip? I mean, it doesn't count. There may be a situation just like this in the game with wr down,but the team needs a completion and keep a drive alive. So the qb just gonna check it down and punt?
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I don't think coaches think in that go for broke mentality in the first 2 series even in a preseason game
 
Porky said:
I look at pre-season on an individual basis. I'll use risers and fallers..

Rising...
D Pierce, J Pitre, Deculus, Johnny Johnson, Jalen Camp, Blake Cashman, Kurt Hinish, Cam Johnson (those punts!), Ade Odeleye, Derek Rivers, Tremon Smith, MJ Stewart, Isaac Yiadom

All of those guys and possibly a couple of others...(Booker, Murray) stood out in one way or another to my eyes.

Falling...
Chad Beebee, Connor Weddington, Royce Freeman, Fabian Moreau, Davis Mills, Jeff Driskel

All of those guys failed to impress me. Driskel - it's really not fair. I mean against expectations, I guess he lived up to my expectations, but his arm is a limp noodle. I can see him as a 3rd guy I suppose but other than emergency duty, he should never see the field as a QB. Mills...he played so little so I'm not going to be overly critical at this time, but c'mon Davis. Get your sheet together quick, or the checkdown Charlie label is going to be tattooed on your neck.

PS - Did anyone see Quentin Tarantino - our new movie director/TE?
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Yeah Driskel is awful.
 
michaelm said:
This is pure speculation on your part. Unless you have a link I haven't seen?
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A link for what exactly? Let me clarify as it feels like we're on two different pages. Mills was slated to play two series. The reason those series were short and we didn't see more of him was due in part to his own ineptitude. Two series = two 3 and outs. In neither series did he even make the slightest attempt at getting a first down. He played checkdown Charlie and called it a day, and acted like he didn't give a damn. He literally gave up on both series without so much a whimper. Yes, I know it's preseason. Good habits and winning team culture is formed in part from practice and practice games. It's how you lead in all ways on and off the field - and the QB is the leader.

Game one of preseason, I am not going to get all bent out of shape...but it's a concern until Mills stops making it one.
 
Porky said:
Did the play calling suddenly improve when Pearce replaced Mack? Same calls, same offense, if anything worse online, yet better play. Part of the reason Mills didn’t get more snaps was his own checkdown Charlie routine. Its preseason, even if a guy isn’t fully open why not test your skill and try to zip it in there. Instead he played it about as conservative as humanely possible. There’s a fine line between being careful and being so dull and conservative that you make no plays.If the guy is going to be the answer, he has to be a playmaker. I don’t see it but hope he changes my mind.
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I'm certainly not going to change your mind and I can see that I'm not going to be able to explain the differences in the situations or the talent on the defenses between when Mills played vs when Driskell played.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm certainly not going to change your mind and I can see that I'm not going to be able to explain the differences in the situations or the talent on the defenses between when Mills played vs when Driskell played.
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Pep has to call a way better game and Mills needs to really step it up and start making plays. You’re right in that you won’t convince me, but Mills can. The question is, does he have it in him. I have seen little to suggest he does.
 
Texansballer74 said:
With no blitz/ pressure. Good try though.
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I didn't say blitz, there was pressure and that wasn't a clean pocket either. Read what I posted and watch the video. 3rd and 9, none of his top targets,preseason, pushed the ball downfield in a situation that the young qb might be in.
 
leebigeztx said:
Its preseason, right? Doesn't count, who cares about stats? Why not just run a route for the 1st down and let it rip? I mean, it doesn't count. There may be a situation just like this in the game with wr down,but the team needs a completion and keep a drive alive. So the qb just gonna check it down and punt?
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There is player health to consider. The most important thing is keeping Mills healthy for a year long evaluation. He didn’t have his number one or two receiver, he didn’t have some of his starting OL, what would be the point? There is no return for the amount of risk Mills would be taking. We already saw the OL get blown up and took down Mack in the back field almost immediately after the hand off. The protection wasn’t there.

Seeing Mills throw a bomb down field in the first preseason game does more for entertainment than more for what Lovie and Pep are looking for, IMHO.

And they may have had a play like that drawn up, but changed their mind after seeing the line blown through.
 
TexansBull said:
And they may have had a play like that drawn up, but changed their mind after seeing the line blown through.
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Maybe.

Without making any excuses, did you think Mills looked good out there?

yes or no,no excuses.

Haters are going to hate, but these excuses aren’t making the situation any better. I doubt Nick or Lovie changed their opinion on Mills based on what they saw Saturday night. I know I didn’t
 
TexansBull said:
There is player health to consider. The most important thing is keeping Mills healthy for a year long evaluation. He didn’t have his number one or two receiver, he didn’t have some of his starting OL, what would be the point? There is no return for the amount of risk Mills would be taking. We already saw the OL get blown up and took down Mack in the back field almost immediately after the hand off. The protection wasn’t there.

Seeing Mills throw a bomb down field in the first preseason game does more for entertainment than more for what Lovie and Pep are looking for, IMHO.

And they may have had a play like that drawn up, but changed their mind after seeing the line blown through.
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He’s not listening to that. We both have stated that main point several times. Unfortunately he can only focus on his particular agenda.
 
TexansBull said:
There is player health to consider. The most important thing is keeping Mills healthy for a year long evaluation. He didn’t have his number one or two receiver, he didn’t have some of his starting OL, what would be the point? There is no return for the amount of risk Mills would be taking. We already saw the OL get blown up and took down Mack in the back field almost immediately after the hand off. The protection wasn’t there.

Seeing Mills throw a bomb down field in the first preseason game does more for entertainment than more for what Lovie and Pep are looking for, IMHO.

And they may have had a play like that drawn up, but changed their mind after seeing the line blown through.
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Did you see the Trey Lance play to Gray?3rd and 9, 4 minutes in the 1st qt, 5 man pressure and a bomb for a td, not to Deebo or Kittles. Those are situations that can come into play in real game time.
 
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