It's not confusing at all, when you take into consideration where your opinion comes from.
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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson
- Thread starter Texansballer74
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It's not confusing at all, when you take into consideration where your opinion comes from.
With Rusty Hardin as his attorney.
You dont believe that the saying the better the lawyer the better the chance of being acquitted?
TexansBull
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paycheck71
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Didn't know you know? Rusty paid off the entire justice system, and unless DW is banned for life from NFL, he paid off judge Robinson, too.
Haven't seen my subscription of Wacko Conspiracy Theories in the mailbox this month.
paycheck71
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Just because I don't buy your ridiculous conspiracy theories, doesn't make me a watson fanboy. I actually agree with you on the punishment, as I've mentioned more than once. Like I said, some of you are losing your mind over this instead of letting the wheels of justice do its thing.
Carr Bombed
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my head hurts..
Does Rusty always get his clients off in Houston/Harris County?
I'm not losing my mind at all. I'm enjoying the back and forth. Were you a Derrick fan before all of this? Have you dismissed these ladies claims? I would argue the answer is yes and that makes you a fanboy. Good news is Buzbee is doing his job so what we think really doesn't matter. The only way Derrick beats this is if Buzbee turns his attention to suing the NFL/Texans since that's where the real money is.
Speaking of conspiracy theories, What happened to the good ole days when the fanboys were saying the Texans and Buzbee were in cohoots in trying to frame Derrick? I kinda miss those days, they were really entertaing. Almost as entertaining as hearing about a massage therapist ramming a couple of fingers up Derrick's butt.
You didn't get your early copy of Texans/Buzbee setting up Derrick?
paycheck71
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Well, like you like to say about a certain other lawyer, he does a good job for his clients.
the answer is no, and you're full of sh!t. Either provide proof or apologize.
If you find a single message where I said Texans and Buzbee were working together, I'll give you $100. Otherwise, apologize.
CloakNNNdagger
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I would much less likely trust current players to maintain reasonably unbiased evaluations than Ex-players.
I could've sworn you were a Derrick fan before all of this crap. If not then I apologize.
I didn't say you particularly said this, but some members did. I cant remember if it was this site but there was a thread started about this subject after the allegations 1st came out.
Let's put it this way, do you think Derrick did anything wrong? If so would you like to see him punished. Would you like to see the Browns do badly this yr if Derrick is allowed to play?
CloakNNNdagger
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"I have a girlfriend!"
paycheck71
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There are a million shades of gray between black and white. Just because I didn't jump on board with the accusers' sleazebag lawyer from day 1 and was willing to wait for more of the story, doesn't make me a watson fanboy. Makes me a good citizen from where I sit.
No hard feelings.
I've said it more than once. He's at least a weirdo. Probably worse. I just will never know for sure. I don't want him as my QB. I said I expected an indefinite suspension with a minimum of 1 season before it ever came out in the reports. And yes, as a fan, I want the Browns to do as badly as possible in the next 2 years.
TexansBull
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This thread still going?at DW4 living rent free in the heads of a few of you guys.
@Lucky is right. This isn’t about Watson anymore.
We are just here to argue until the season kicks off.
Carr Bombed
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I'm still dropping in to see if the suspension has been announced yet.. should be anyday now right? Maybe it'll be a Friday afternoon news dump.
Mr teX
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Theres no reason to drop in b/c you wont be able to miss when the suspsension drops, trust me. This thread is just being kept alive by a few in here who are obsessed with this dude. Even the national media has largely moved on.
I havent posted in this thread since March 18th when the dude was traded & i still kinda know whats going on just hearing about it hear & there on sports radio and the ESPN bottom line ticker when something major breaks. if a few posters would just get their compulsions under control, this thread could finally die.
CloakNNNdagger
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Should not.
If Robinson looks to the past NFL cases (players or owners) in order to ultimately minimize Watson's suspension/punishment.......then there was no reason to change the CBA/Personal Conduct Policy to include a neutral (chosen by NFL and NFLPA) Disciplinary Officer with the attempt to gain a fairer more appropriate process. Past minimal suspension/punishments for infractions in most cases have typically not been a deterent to future NFL infractions. Watson's case as well as the new process by which he will be judged is unprecedented, as should be the ultimately deterence message to players and owners alike regarding sexual misconduct.
Indictments are the beginning and not actually about proving. That comes with a conviction. An indictment is a formal charge in which the grand jury believes there should be further investigation. It’s not hard at ALL to obtain one, unless the DA doesn’t want one. Which they didn’t. Not one single indictment or even a misdemeanor charge was absolutely due to corrupt influence, especially if you knew in Texas especially Harris County how many people are CHARGED on circumstantial evidence and even convicted on circumstantial evidence.
The detective not being called to testify in Harris County, again, shows the DA did not want him to be indicted.
It's not hard to get an indictment because there is usually physical evidence, 3rd party witnesses, police reports that were filed soon after the offense. Not months, or years after. The DA had nothing. And let's pretend there were indictments. There's no way a conviction that had to clear the no reasonable doubt bar was ever happening. The only reason Buzbee instructed his clients to file reports was to muddy the waters.
As I said over a year ago, the civil case was the only way to get any retribution. Not the criminal courts. Not the NFL. Text messages, 3rd party rumors, plaintiff's testimony. That might be compelling enough to get juries to agree with the plaintiffs. But you need 5 of the 6 jurors to agree. That's not going to be a slam dunk. And that's why Buzbee settled so many of the cases. Those that didn't take the offers may be left out in the cold.
Carr Bombed
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Nope I'm pretty sure when it's announced I'll learn about it here. I don't watch ESPN, I'm not on Twitter, and don't have time to listen to the radio. I just refresh this thread every now and then. This is basically where I've gotten all my Watson "news".
Axisbuck24
Practice Squad
What does all of this mean? If Watson is not held accountable for his actions in this entire ordeal, then the NFL has an issue.
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The plaintiffs (and their lawyer) will receive $$$ from Watson. That's what the lawsuits were about. This has nothing to do with the NFL.
CloakNNNdagger
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Anyone that wants to take the time to look at Harris County DA cases will find many cases that have gone to indictment strickly on circumstantial evidence without any physical evidence.....................many going to conviction on the same circumstantial evidence. These cases include murder indictments with subsequent conviction based only on circumstantial evidence.
CloakNNNdagger
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Texans settle with 30 women arising from alleged misconduct of Deshaun Watson
Posted by Mike Florio on July 15, 2022, 12:58 PM EDT
The Texans are doing what Deshaun Watson should have done. The team is resolving all cases against it, quickly.
Via KPRC 2 in Houston, the Texans have negotiated settlement agreements with 30 women who had potential claims against the team, arising from the alleged misconduct of former Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson.
“I will have no further comment on the allegations or the Texans’ role, other than to say that there is a marked contrast in the way in which the Texans addressed these allegations, and the way in which Watson’s team has done so,” attorney Tony Buzbee said in a statement. “As previously reported, only one of the 30 women who made allegations against the Texans filed a formal lawsuit. That particular lawsuit will be dismissed with prejudice as soon as the appropriate settlement paperwork is complete.”
This leaves four pending cases against Watson, given the recent settlement of 20 claims.
“We hope to try them all in the spring of next year,” Buzbee said regarding the four remaining claims against Watson. “In the meantime, we will continue to do the important work to prepare for such.”
The fact that the Texans settled with 30 women suggests that six more lawsuits could still be filed against Watson.
In the one lawsuit that had been filed against the Texans, it was contended the team knew or should have known about Watson’s alleged proclivities but failed to take action to stop it. Instead, the team allegedly facilitated Watson’s habit, actual or perceived or otherwise, of arranging massages through social media and trying to make them into sexual encounters.
Ordinarily, the terms of such agreements are confidential. Whether the league will allow the Texans to enter into a broad nondisclosure agreement is a different question. Mary Jo White, after investigating the Panthers following the departure of founder Jerry Richardson, recommended that the league prohibit teams from using NDAs that would limit cooperation with league investigations. The league apparently has not yet adopted that recommendation.
It also remains to be seen whether the settlements will spark an investigation of the Texans. We’ve posted that question to the league.
Posted by Mike Florio on July 15, 2022, 12:58 PM EDT
The Texans are doing what Deshaun Watson should have done. The team is resolving all cases against it, quickly.
Via KPRC 2 in Houston, the Texans have negotiated settlement agreements with 30 women who had potential claims against the team, arising from the alleged misconduct of former Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson.
“I will have no further comment on the allegations or the Texans’ role, other than to say that there is a marked contrast in the way in which the Texans addressed these allegations, and the way in which Watson’s team has done so,” attorney Tony Buzbee said in a statement. “As previously reported, only one of the 30 women who made allegations against the Texans filed a formal lawsuit. That particular lawsuit will be dismissed with prejudice as soon as the appropriate settlement paperwork is complete.”
This leaves four pending cases against Watson, given the recent settlement of 20 claims.
“We hope to try them all in the spring of next year,” Buzbee said regarding the four remaining claims against Watson. “In the meantime, we will continue to do the important work to prepare for such.”
The fact that the Texans settled with 30 women suggests that six more lawsuits could still be filed against Watson.
In the one lawsuit that had been filed against the Texans, it was contended the team knew or should have known about Watson’s alleged proclivities but failed to take action to stop it. Instead, the team allegedly facilitated Watson’s habit, actual or perceived or otherwise, of arranging massages through social media and trying to make them into sexual encounters.
Ordinarily, the terms of such agreements are confidential. Whether the league will allow the Texans to enter into a broad nondisclosure agreement is a different question. Mary Jo White, after investigating the Panthers following the departure of founder Jerry Richardson, recommended that the league prohibit teams from using NDAs that would limit cooperation with league investigations. The league apparently has not yet adopted that recommendation.
It also remains to be seen whether the settlements will spark an investigation of the Texans. We’ve posted that question to the league.
The1ApplePie
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Yeah, but those were normal people without money or one of the best attorneys in the world. Welcome to the American justice system. Trying to figure out why people find any of this surprising.
Not like Buzzbee can complain. He donated to a DA's campaign to get out of a DUI.
Read the definition of "ghetto"
- a part of a city, especially a slum area, occupied by a minority group or groups.
What part of this official definition is confusing??
I've known good people from the "ghetto" and I've known some absolute evil jackasses from wealthy families.
Stereotyping entire groups of people because of the actions of one man is the very essence of bigotry.
So any more mention of "ghetto" as an insult, derogatory shade, or whatever other lame ass immature connection someone will attempt will not be tolerated and will result in banning actions.
I'm tired of this bullshit and don't care where it started. I'm telling you this is where it ends.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I surely hope the League doesn’t go light on Watson.
I really don't get this POV. What if he was a Derrick fan before this mess? Hell, a noted character coach, took the microphone at a press conference, told the world how great a person Derrick was and smiled like a proud parent as they handed him a $160 million contract. If the character coach that you said was brought in to clean up this mess, interacted with Derrick on a daily basis and still didn't know what he was doing, how in the world did you expect fans watching from afar to know he would be capable of this alleged behavior?
If anyone who has never interacted with Watson claim that they knew he was capable of this behavior, they are wasting their god given talent on the forum of a mediocre NFL team. They should open a Minority Report firm and sell their services to identify criminals before they commit crimes.
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I'm not going to tell you I knew everything, but I always felt that he was a phony. I also thought you can't win a championship with a guy like this as your leader. I also didn't think he was as talented as most around these parts thought he is.
The field you're suggesting doesn't pay as well but maybe you're onto something.
Me too. With Watson reneging on a contract, getting paid $10 million not to play and then that $230 million guaranteed contract, it still feels like they are rewarding bad behavior. The simple fact that he was running around during a pandemic, potentially infecting his entire team in a huddle, his mom who is a cancer survivor and then you add the allegations, and they just cannot go light on him. It would be ridiculous.
TexansBull
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I never thought about his mom being a cancer survivor and him running around potentially infecting her. What a selfish POS.
You can’t entirely fault him for getting the $230 Million contract. That’s on the Browns for being stupid.
By taking a hard stance you also punish the Browns for being stupid. They deserve punishment.
TexansBull
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I don’t think you are using “solace” right…
Gotta hand it to Buzzbutt because he's surly the creme de la creme of shakedown artists and I'm confident he'd sue his own natural mother if he thought he had any chance of realizing a settlement, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the McNair family and their sports franchise was always the primary target from the very beginning.
badboy
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Yes! I cannot blame DWs atty doing what he does but DW another matter, The Browns apparently saw "GJ no bills" and thought it was worth the risk. IMO they expected all claims to be resolved and then would ride out public sentiment. They were wrong.
OptimisticTexan
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If Buzbee knew he had 30 slam dunk cases against Watson, I don’t think he allows any of his clients to take a settlement. If all 30 clients felt they were assaulted and knew they had the evidence to create a slam dunk case for conviction then they probably don’t accept any settlements. The payouts would’ve been considerably higher than what they probably accepted while guaranteeing themselves the ultimate satisfaction of seeing Watson go behind bars for years to come.
The fact that Buzbee and his clients have agreed to the settlements probably means this was their plan from the get-go. Remember, this all started with client 1 trying to get a financial settlement behind closed doors…..when Watson refused to play ball Buzbee took this public. I nor anyone on this board (IMHO) were privy to any actual eyes on account of went on behind those doors….so I cannot be that emotionally invested. In the end, settlements were finally agreed upon. I’m guessing Watson will probably get up to a 10 game suspension. Enough to put a damper on the Browns 2022 NFL season.
As for the way Watson treated the Texans…..that makes him a POS in my book. Makes me even happier that the Browns are the one’s who took him off their hands b/c that means the Texans finally got the better end of a trade with the Browns. I think the Texans are now on a much better path going forward.
A lot of these cases would have taken years to resolve. Many of these women are single mothers with businesses to also support. Take into consideration that it would have been hard to wait
By the way, you don’t have to have “slam dunk” cases to win in civil court. Though these were.
did he have 30 cases against Watson?
I thought it was only 28
The 30 were against the Houston Texans. Those are all settled.
I believe there are still 4 open cases against Watson. I believe they want their day in court.
leebigeztx
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Nah, you can't disagree and not be a fanboy. It goes against everything. On God!
Texansballer74
The Marine
Texans' settlement with 30 Deshaun Watson accusers shouldn't absolve team from NFL
A potential punishment for the Texans: the loss of the 2023 first-round draft pick Houston got from Cleveland as part of the Watson trade.
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leebigeztx
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I said as much he was big game hunting. He's not in it for the victims, he's in it for building his brand and his account. I'm not mad at the opportunist that he is. I mean dude bought a freaking tank. A real tank
leebigeztx
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He has a penthouse in some of these dudes headThis thread still going?
Stop the fanboi name calling BS
TexansBull
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Why are you here then?
I am a fan of the Texans but can be honest and say we aren’t checking any of those boxes right now…