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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson
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leebigeztx
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I didn't, they were sorry. I watched the all 22 more than the actual games. They discontinued the all 22 last year so I watched the condensed games.
I didn't subscribe to the all 22. Wonder why they discontinued it?
CloakNNNdagger
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They redesigned the US interface version of GAMEPLAY/ALL22, and it was unusable.........virtually unviewable........... so they discontinued it. The International version in operation everywhere except in the US interfaced via a VPN and has not had that problem.
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Schefter denies carrying water when reporting on players like Deshaun Watson, Dalvin Cook
July 12, 2022, 10:13 AM EDT
As the slow time moves toward a conclusion, the Washington Post has published a profile of an NFL reporter who always lives life in the fast lane.
Sometimes, too fast.
There’s no denying Adam Schefter’s success, primarily when it comes to reporting on trades, signings, and other moves five minutes before those moves are announced to the world. He has positioned himself almost uniquely (with the exception of a couple of folks who work directly for the NFL) to regularly get the consideration of the five-minute head’s up before the announcement is made. As Myles Simmons has said on #PFTPM, when he previously worked for an NFL team (he has been employed pre-PFT by the Rams and Panthers), the digital crew would be told that, as to the announcement of certain moves, Schefter would break the news and then the team would announce it, basically five minutes later.
Schefter has leveraged that platform, fueled by his eight-figure (almost) Twitter feed. He’s very aware of the reach. As we’ve heard from multiple people in the industry, he actively uses those statistics to persuade people to give their scoops to him first. Which gives him even more reach. Which allows him to further leverage that reach for more scoops.
When it comes to at least one prominent NFL agent who routinely sends information to multiple reporters, Schefter has gotten to the point where he gets it long enough before everyone else to win the 280-character race.
But there are flaws, glitches. Strange little quirks. It’s fine. It’s humanizing. We all have a few wires that are crossed. Schefter, for example, didn’t want to be photographed for the profile.
“I want you to get what you need,” Schefter told the Post photographer. “I hope I never ******* see them. I don’t need any more attention.”
He doesn’t need any more attention, but he sat for a two-hour interview with the Post as part of the profile it was doing on him.
He presumably did that to have a direct voice in a balanced profile that inevitably would include some criticism. Strauss didn’t have to turn over too many rocks. One of the topics included Schefter’s recent missteps, fueled apparently by an all-gas, no-brakes approach to gathering and disseminating information on social media. Tweets regarding Vikings running back Dalvin Cook and Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson created the clear impression that he was doing a favor for the players and/or their agents in order to ensure that the pump remained fully primed for more information in the future.
Per Strauss, multiple ESPN employees (speaking on the condition of anonymity) said they were concerned that the reporting “reflected a failure to understand the sensitivity of domestic violence allegations.” When Strauss told Schefter about these concerns, his first question was, “Are they going to go on the record?” As if that makes the concerns not real.
Schefter then denied that he was carrying water for anyone. “I’ve never put out information thinking I would get something back in the future,” Schefter said. “If people want to work with me, great. If not, OK.”
Sorry, but that’s just not true. It’s not. He periodically takes one for the team because it serves the greater good of fueling his Twitter nuclear reactor. He’ll tolerate the periodic meltdown, as long as it keeps the lights on. And, yes, it’s unmistakable to the trained eye when he posts a quid pro quo tweet.
It’s part of the deal he’s done to build what he’s built — the ultimate megaphone for letting the world know who’s getting signed, cut, traded, hired, fired, whatever five minutes before it’s formally announced. He remains constantly plugged into the matrix, and his own internal dopamine drip is tied to getting another scoop, another scoop, another scoop.
Of course, it’s balanced by the torment that comes from not being first. And, frankly, not getting to the finish line before anyone else clearly bothers him more than the possibility of stepping in **** along the way.
Which almost bothers him as much as being photographed.
July 12, 2022, 10:13 AM EDT
As the slow time moves toward a conclusion, the Washington Post has published a profile of an NFL reporter who always lives life in the fast lane.
Sometimes, too fast.
There’s no denying Adam Schefter’s success, primarily when it comes to reporting on trades, signings, and other moves five minutes before those moves are announced to the world. He has positioned himself almost uniquely (with the exception of a couple of folks who work directly for the NFL) to regularly get the consideration of the five-minute head’s up before the announcement is made. As Myles Simmons has said on #PFTPM, when he previously worked for an NFL team (he has been employed pre-PFT by the Rams and Panthers), the digital crew would be told that, as to the announcement of certain moves, Schefter would break the news and then the team would announce it, basically five minutes later.
Schefter has leveraged that platform, fueled by his eight-figure (almost) Twitter feed. He’s very aware of the reach. As we’ve heard from multiple people in the industry, he actively uses those statistics to persuade people to give their scoops to him first. Which gives him even more reach. Which allows him to further leverage that reach for more scoops.
When it comes to at least one prominent NFL agent who routinely sends information to multiple reporters, Schefter has gotten to the point where he gets it long enough before everyone else to win the 280-character race.
But there are flaws, glitches. Strange little quirks. It’s fine. It’s humanizing. We all have a few wires that are crossed. Schefter, for example, didn’t want to be photographed for the profile.
“I want you to get what you need,” Schefter told the Post photographer. “I hope I never ******* see them. I don’t need any more attention.”
He doesn’t need any more attention, but he sat for a two-hour interview with the Post as part of the profile it was doing on him.
He presumably did that to have a direct voice in a balanced profile that inevitably would include some criticism. Strauss didn’t have to turn over too many rocks. One of the topics included Schefter’s recent missteps, fueled apparently by an all-gas, no-brakes approach to gathering and disseminating information on social media. Tweets regarding Vikings running back Dalvin Cook and Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson created the clear impression that he was doing a favor for the players and/or their agents in order to ensure that the pump remained fully primed for more information in the future.
Per Strauss, multiple ESPN employees (speaking on the condition of anonymity) said they were concerned that the reporting “reflected a failure to understand the sensitivity of domestic violence allegations.” When Strauss told Schefter about these concerns, his first question was, “Are they going to go on the record?” As if that makes the concerns not real.
Schefter then denied that he was carrying water for anyone. “I’ve never put out information thinking I would get something back in the future,” Schefter said. “If people want to work with me, great. If not, OK.”
Sorry, but that’s just not true. It’s not. He periodically takes one for the team because it serves the greater good of fueling his Twitter nuclear reactor. He’ll tolerate the periodic meltdown, as long as it keeps the lights on. And, yes, it’s unmistakable to the trained eye when he posts a quid pro quo tweet.
It’s part of the deal he’s done to build what he’s built — the ultimate megaphone for letting the world know who’s getting signed, cut, traded, hired, fired, whatever five minutes before it’s formally announced. He remains constantly plugged into the matrix, and his own internal dopamine drip is tied to getting another scoop, another scoop, another scoop.
Of course, it’s balanced by the torment that comes from not being first. And, frankly, not getting to the finish line before anyone else clearly bothers him more than the possibility of stepping in **** along the way.
Which almost bothers him as much as being photographed.
I was just about to post this.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Me too
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Everyone wants to get in on the act.
NFL Rumors: Analyst believes suspension term for Deshaun Watson has been set
NFL Rumors: Analyst believes suspension term for Deshaun Watson has been set
I would say there's no doubt that Derrick damaged the brand with the actions he's admitted too doing.
JWLCASPER
Waterboy
Sadly no. The issue is in how (and where) the funds are written into the contract. The bonuses/escalators are usually in one portion of the contract, usually paragraph 6-7-8 depending on team and prior contract language. Paragraph 5 (P5) is always the base salary.
In negotiations the discussion is always P5 salary vs other payouts. The signing bonus usually has its own section because it is a large, (Guaranteed) to be paid out dollar amount. These funds have to 100% be available to the player even if not paid out in one lump sum on one day (signing bonuses are usually paid on 2-3 days with months between them for cash flow purposes of the team) because it is guaranteed under contract law.
Other payouts can be listed as Workout bonus, Camp bonus, Roster bonus, Escalator bonus/payouts, etc etc and they can be deemed LTE or NLTE( likely to be earned or not likely to be earned.) NLTE doesn’t count against the cap or team cap estimates. If a player hits it -sometimes a subsequent move has to be made to clear funds, but for all normal purposes those NLTE can be hidden or pushed down the line.
P5 salary is base salary or game check salary. This is divided by 18 weeks and paid out weekly or bi-weekly. P5 salary is what is at stake when players are suspended. It is fully guaranteed outside of suspension.
As a contract norm, when a large signing bonus is granted to a player (in which case we have here with Deshaun) the team normally stretches it over the life of the contract (a team doesn’t HAVE TO stretch it or can stretch it over shorter amounts of time but most teams do over the full life of the contract (up to 5 years for those longer deals like Mahomes.) Here, Watsons 45 million will be stretched over 5 years of cap space, and will count 9 million a year against the team. But remember, this 45 million will be paid out within 1 year (usually 90-120 days) from signing the contract. Because of “cash flow” and salary cap magic, most GMs / cap negotiators will in turn look for lower P5 salaries in year 1 and sometimes 2 of the deal because “you the player were paid handsomely with a signing bonus up front and that bonus should cover you for 1-2 years while we utilize the savings from your low P5 salary to add other pieces to our team.”
What the Browns did here is contract norm in NFL extensions/renegotiations. The issue is the optics. Nothing the Browns did was outside the bounds of standard contract talks. The issue was Watson’s actions and his legal issues and the fact he had just signed a contract and there was no need to renegotiate except for the likely fact it’s the only way he would waive his No Trade Clause to Cleveland. Cleveland will die on this sword and there is nothing the league can do about year 1. The issue was that Cleveland then guaranteed his contract for skill and injury throughout the life of the contract (instead of just year 1/2/3 for skill) and years 4/5 for injury only meaning after the first couple of years a team can let you go or force a renegotiation for any reason outside of catastrophic injury. Here, Watson is bulletproof for any reason for 5 years, skill (or sexual disposition) issues aside. The only way Cleveland doesn’t pay him is if the league voids the contract (it will never happen.) The only way this affects Watson is if the league or Cleveland suspends him outside of 2022-2023, which will cost him 2-3 million a game, but what is that drop in the bucket when he has 230 million guaranteed over 5 years.
Outstanding work by Mulugheta, regardless of what you think about him as a person / agent. He finessed Houston into a NTC and finessed Cleveland into 230 million guaranteed to waive the NTC. Bravo good sir. Methods aside, he did exactly what he is paid to do, maximize your client’s bottom line.
Team Watson spreading rumors to set expectations for a minimal suspension so if Watson gets a lengthy one, they have some public support on their side for it being outrageous. And they said only Buzbee was playing this out publicly.
So guess that would mean one DJohn is over on 6-8 game guesstimate ?
What say say you? an entire season or more ?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
At the hearing, the judge set the time of briefs to be submitted "the week of July 11," not on July 11. That didn't stop Florio yesterday from reporting that the briefs were due yesterday [since taken down]. Media accuracy, especially as concerns Watson-related information is no longer a requirement of reporting.
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Due date for NFL, NFLPA briefs in Deshaun Watson case is today
Posted by Mike Florio on July 12, 2022, 1:52 PM EDT
At the conclusion of the three-day Deshaun Watson hearing, it was reported that the NFL and NFL Players Association were due to be submitted to Judge Sue L. Robinson on Monday, July 11. That deadline has, at some point, been extended by one day.
Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the post-hearing briefs are due today, July 12.
Judge Robinson then will digest the documents and, eventually, make a decision. It will be important for her to write a clear and understandable ruling. She will make specific findings of fact, which will be binding on any appeal, if there is one, to Commissioner Roger Goodell. The document, if published (as it should be) will be scrutinized and analyzed and possibly criticized.
When will the decision come? I’m still pegging the week of July 25, especially with the process now delayed by a day.
And remember this — a settlement can be reached at any time. If it isn’t, Judge Robinson will make a decision. Unless she imposes no discipline at all, either side can appeal to Goodell, who will have final say.
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Due date for NFL, NFLPA briefs in Deshaun Watson case is today
Posted by Mike Florio on July 12, 2022, 1:52 PM EDT
At the conclusion of the three-day Deshaun Watson hearing, it was reported that the NFL and NFL Players Association were due to be submitted to Judge Sue L. Robinson on Monday, July 11. That deadline has, at some point, been extended by one day.
Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the post-hearing briefs are due today, July 12.
Judge Robinson then will digest the documents and, eventually, make a decision. It will be important for her to write a clear and understandable ruling. She will make specific findings of fact, which will be binding on any appeal, if there is one, to Commissioner Roger Goodell. The document, if published (as it should be) will be scrutinized and analyzed and possibly criticized.
When will the decision come? I’m still pegging the week of July 25, especially with the process now delayed by a day.
And remember this — a settlement can be reached at any time. If it isn’t, Judge Robinson will make a decision. Unless she imposes no discipline at all, either side can appeal to Goodell, who will have final say.
One season at minimum
And then there is this lol
banned1976
sleeper mode
If Landry Locker tweets it, it must be true.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Listen to the first 2:30 minutes where Ben Lyons NFL analyst speaks about the Browns/Baker/Watson [from 7/11/22]
"I don't think we'll ever see him play football again. Over, done, I think it's a wrap. I think the more that comes out from these stories in these allegations and these charges, the less chance there is for him to go out there and compete in the NFL."
"I don't think we'll ever see him play football again. Over, done, I think it's a wrap. I think the more that comes out from these stories in these allegations and these charges, the less chance there is for him to go out there and compete in the NFL."
Mangler
Toro de España
I sure hope Derapist is banned for life! Fucc that P.O.S!
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Anderson has entirely stopped being a non-bias reporter......You would think that she would have learned to just keep quiet after the last massive negative response she got to her post. But no, she has just become Mrs Hardin..........
This one is going to reverberate within the league office.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Replying to
@JosinaAnderson
Would you wanna defend Watson a little more. Holy ****
Replying to
@JosinaAnderson
Yes Josina, you think a watson suspension “isn’t credible”
Replying to
@JosinaAnderson
I have no idea what your tweets mean anymore
Is that four six game suspension, as in 24 games total?If Landry Locker tweets it, it must be true.
or between four and six games, as in six at the most?
There hasn’t been an unbiased “reporter” in this country since Watergate
banned1976
sleeper mode
I hope so too but I think the most punishment he gets is the 2022 season. JMO, no sources.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I've been doing the all 22 since inception. It was really my favorite way to watch a game. I don't mind knowing who won, I'm more interested in the process of how they got there. I did enjoy the condensed 45minute games. I would pick the good games and watch 3 or 4 in a row on Sunday night.
JWLCASPER
Waterboy
Anderson is playing a dangerous game. She wants to be in AthletesFirst pocket IMO. By slanting / bold face backing their side of the story, she is ensuring she is one of maybe two reporters with deep ins to that firm specifically. With the power plays and representation that A1 has made recently, it isn’t necessarily surprising. But I will say that I am completely sure *my opinion* that the league (and other firms/teams) absolutely see what she is doing.)
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Rizzo's tweet has gotten a heavy bit of press. He is a long-standing cleveland broadcaster.
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Deshaun Watson could get shockingly light punishment from NFL
https://clutchpoints.com/browns-rum...ld-get-shockingly-light-punishment-from-nfl/#
This offseason, the Cleveland Browns made the most controversial decision in years when they traded for embattled quarterback Deshaun Watson. They did this despite knowing Watson is going to be suspended for some length of time to begin this season. Well, according to ESPN Cleveland’s Tony Rizzo, that suspension might be much less than just about everyone anticipated.
Rizzo tweeted that he heard from reliable sources that the suspension will be 4-6 games. That would be a shock were it to come to fruition.
It was previously reported that the NFL was beginning their negotiation with the NFLPA at a full season minimum. Deshaun Watson recently settled 20 of the 24 civil suits against him where 24 women claimed either sexual assault or sexual harassment by the Browns quarterback.
The New York Times recently published an article detailing the 66 different women Watson has received massages from during an 17-month period. Videos have been posted online of Watson with adult film stars.
Last season, the Houston Texans decided to sit Deshaun Watson for the entire season, but he still got paid. The NFL would very likely face serious criticism and backlash if the star quarterback received such a slap on the wrist. They previously suspended Calvin Ridley for an entire season for gambling. They suspended for multiple seasons for smoking marijuana, which is now legal in about half of the country.
Deshaun Watson’s alleged behavior some believe should disqualify him from playing football ever again. There’s the age old saying from former NFL players; playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a right. If that’s accurate, and these reports from these unconnected plaintiffs are accurate, then the NFL will not allow a miscarriage of justice like what Tony Rizzo is reporting.
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Rizzo is probably not the best trusted reliable source to be commenting on Watson's case.:
Sportscaster Tony Rizzo Sentenced
by: Jack Shea
Posted: Apr 21, 2014 / 10:08 AM EDT
Updated: Apr 21, 2014 / 10:12 AM EDT
MEDINA, Ohio — Medina Municipal Court Judge Dale Chase sentenced longtime Cleveland sportscaster Tony Rizzo on Monday to 30 days in jail on his conviction for persistent disorderly conduct.
The judge suspended 27 of the days and gave Rizzo credit for the three days he served after he was arrested in December.
The judge placed Rizzo on probation for two years and ordered him to pay a $250 fine and court costs.
Rizzo pleaded no contest to persistent disorderly conduct. He was arrested on a domestic violence charge and originally pleaded not guilty, but then changed his plea to the amended charge.
According to a Medina police report, officers were called to Rizzo’s home in December 2013 after his wife called 911.
She told the dispatcher, “My husband is hurting me, and he’s very irate and I’m really scared.”
Mrs. Rizzo went on to say she had been choked and hit in the face. She also indicated she placed the 911 call from a locked bathroom.
After Rizzo was arrested and charged with domestic violence, his wife asked if the charges could be dropped and changed her story about what happened.
Matt Lanier, Assistant Medina City Prosecutor told FOX 8 News, “She submitted an affidavit to our office and to the defense which indicated she had in fact initiated the physical confrontation by striking him with a glass, and that all he did was defend himself, so she essentially put forward two different versions of the facts. We had to consider that when deciding to reduce this charge or go forward and we did.”
Tony Rizzo is the host of The Really Big Show on WKNR radio, and hosts The Rizzo Show, which airs each Sunday on Fox 8.
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Tony Rizzo Arrested For Domestic VIolence (Updated)
By Doug Brown on Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 9:19 am
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Deshaun Watson could get shockingly light punishment from NFL
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Kendall Capps - July 13, 2022 at 10:28 PM
https://clutchpoints.com/browns-rum...ld-get-shockingly-light-punishment-from-nfl/#
This offseason, the Cleveland Browns made the most controversial decision in years when they traded for embattled quarterback Deshaun Watson. They did this despite knowing Watson is going to be suspended for some length of time to begin this season. Well, according to ESPN Cleveland’s Tony Rizzo, that suspension might be much less than just about everyone anticipated.
Rizzo tweeted that he heard from reliable sources that the suspension will be 4-6 games. That would be a shock were it to come to fruition.
It was previously reported that the NFL was beginning their negotiation with the NFLPA at a full season minimum. Deshaun Watson recently settled 20 of the 24 civil suits against him where 24 women claimed either sexual assault or sexual harassment by the Browns quarterback.
The New York Times recently published an article detailing the 66 different women Watson has received massages from during an 17-month period. Videos have been posted online of Watson with adult film stars.
Last season, the Houston Texans decided to sit Deshaun Watson for the entire season, but he still got paid. The NFL would very likely face serious criticism and backlash if the star quarterback received such a slap on the wrist. They previously suspended Calvin Ridley for an entire season for gambling. They suspended for multiple seasons for smoking marijuana, which is now legal in about half of the country.
Deshaun Watson’s alleged behavior some believe should disqualify him from playing football ever again. There’s the age old saying from former NFL players; playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a right. If that’s accurate, and these reports from these unconnected plaintiffs are accurate, then the NFL will not allow a miscarriage of justice like what Tony Rizzo is reporting.
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Rizzo is probably not the best trusted reliable source to be commenting on Watson's case.:
Sportscaster Tony Rizzo Sentenced
by: Jack Shea
Posted: Apr 21, 2014 / 10:08 AM EDT
Updated: Apr 21, 2014 / 10:12 AM EDT
MEDINA, Ohio — Medina Municipal Court Judge Dale Chase sentenced longtime Cleveland sportscaster Tony Rizzo on Monday to 30 days in jail on his conviction for persistent disorderly conduct.
The judge suspended 27 of the days and gave Rizzo credit for the three days he served after he was arrested in December.
The judge placed Rizzo on probation for two years and ordered him to pay a $250 fine and court costs.
Rizzo pleaded no contest to persistent disorderly conduct. He was arrested on a domestic violence charge and originally pleaded not guilty, but then changed his plea to the amended charge.
According to a Medina police report, officers were called to Rizzo’s home in December 2013 after his wife called 911.
She told the dispatcher, “My husband is hurting me, and he’s very irate and I’m really scared.”
Mrs. Rizzo went on to say she had been choked and hit in the face. She also indicated she placed the 911 call from a locked bathroom.
After Rizzo was arrested and charged with domestic violence, his wife asked if the charges could be dropped and changed her story about what happened.
Matt Lanier, Assistant Medina City Prosecutor told FOX 8 News, “She submitted an affidavit to our office and to the defense which indicated she had in fact initiated the physical confrontation by striking him with a glass, and that all he did was defend himself, so she essentially put forward two different versions of the facts. We had to consider that when deciding to reduce this charge or go forward and we did.”
Tony Rizzo is the host of The Really Big Show on WKNR radio, and hosts The Rizzo Show, which airs each Sunday on Fox 8.
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Tony Rizzo Arrested For Domestic VIolence (Updated)
By Doug Brown on Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 9:19 am
This is a horrible piece of journalism. I'm not saying Schefter doesn't participate in quid pro quo information. But if there are so many examples, it should be easy to point out a few. Also, why is no one considering the source (Mike Florio)? Schefter is his main competition for NFL breaking news. Like Florio's closet is clean and empty?
Information from the Buzbee camp is posted unfiltered. What exactly is the difference? And regarding this particular argument from Anderson, she's 100% right. The NFL has no moral high ground to stand from while judging players. Sexual harassment, racist hiring practices, larceny of customers, etc., etc. All from NFL owners. All covered up by their watchdog, Roger Goodell. Who are they to judge? If you are looking for a sport that has impeccable morals, look somewhere else than the NFL. I don't happen to know where that somewhere else might be. Good luck finding one.
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1. Schefter FALSELY put out that because there was no grand jury indictment that Watson was innocent. That was blatantly false and irresponsible. Let us also see as to why Schefter is a hack. His tweet about Dwayne Haskins? Absolutely tasteless. Schefter has been receiving information from Watson’s camp that has been false. Now he isn’t reporting anything. Interesting. Florio doesn’t have nearly the access to teams that Schefter does which makes or should make Schefter’s responsibility to report accurate things even greater. Florio makes guesses about the info.
2. Buzbee puts out information that tends to me more true than Hardin. And Josina Anderson is an NFL reporter who is posting information strictly from Watson’s side, which includes information that is either incomplete or WRONG. Absolutely right? No she is wrong. And has no idea what the hell she is talking about. Oh, because the NFL has an absolutely shady history of those practices does NOT give Watson an excuse to be a menace to society. That’s the most asinine argument I have seen so far. (Well one party got away with it so he should too). That’s disgusting.
I am also going to address this because it seems to be either not understood or incomprehensible. No one, has had 24 sexual assault allegations before. Have they? In total over 100 incidents likely which Watson engaged in some sort of activities that were illegal or dangerous, especially in a time of COVID in which he exposed himself to the virus on multiple occasions, and in turn exposed himself to other players and other OLDER coaches. There is no comparison for his behavior. Kraft paid for a service that was consensual. Watson pretended to want one service and force something else to happen that was not consensual.
Jones paid hush money over something consensual too eh?
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paycheck71
Hall of Fame
None of these NFL "insiders" are true reporters. They have access to SOME players/teams/GM's, etc, and will "report" whatever those people tell them because without them they got nothing. So, just need to take it for what it is.
Exactly. When you consider that only Judge Robinson knows what her ruling will be based on. The only benefit of constantly taking what these "insiders" are posting is it makes a great feedback loop. For example:
- As input. Repost all articles, comments, social media posts or tweets from random joes, reporters or media personalities speculating/guessing on this case
- Based on the content of the input and your POV or opinion of the input source, apply your filter
- As output. Post your agreement, disagreement, outrage base on the filter applied in step #2
- Restart the loop by actively seeking input from sources who are totally speculating, biased, unbiased or carrying water for one side or the other and feed it as your input source in step# 1
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Seems like everyone wants to talk about comparing past circumstances that have gone without punishment, or little punishment.........and try to compare it to or make it precedence for Watson's situation. That just does not work. Since this is the first case that has gone through the new Personal Conduct Policy procedings including the joint Disciplinary Officer, there is NO Precedence! The precedence will be set by the Watson case. If the judge makes her decision, it will be solely based on Watson's case..............not on previous cases not judged on the same level with the same tools. She will not factor in "past performance" which may have been flawed..............to make a further flawed decision.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Robinson will not or should not? After the 2 grand juries and Harris County Atty nothing will shock me.
I may have to come back and edit this post later saying " well that caught me by surprise!"
Boris
All Pro
N.F.L. Players Pay a Small Price When Accused of Violence Against Women
A peer-reviewed study found that players who are arrested in these cases generally do not suffer major career consequences.
The answer, according to the peer-reviewed study published in May in the academic journal Violence Against Women, is: not really.
Such arrests have “negligible” consequences for players as a group, the study found, based on a statistical analysis of career outcomes. While the impact of arrests grew increasingly negative over the course of the 19-year period analyzed, that effect disappeared with even average or slightly below-average on-field performance levels.
Thanks for the Florio info. I've only read his articles for 20+ years.
So, a bi-lateral committee of players (and/or ex-players), owners, and trusted league observers (such as Tony Dungy) might be a more legitimate alternative to achieve an honest and fair league-wide discipline?
badboy
Hall of Fame
2022 NFL Preview: The Browns signed up for this Deshaun Watson mess
The Browns took a reckless gamble, and it doesn't look good.
badboy
Hall of Fame
And we think NFL owners will agree to the last
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The question is: How can the NFL legitimately impose discipline on its players? We know there is a Collective Bargaining Agreement. But where is the morality in owners with bad behavior judging players with bad behavior? I gave a possible alternative that could provide some legitimacy. As of now, there is none.And we think NFL owners will agree to the last
There's a lot of that going around.
Are owners subject to the CBA?
If any punishment is dished out, it's through the CBA. Completely legit.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Probably better to use the word morally rather than legitimately in referring to the owners. They are not controlled by any CBA as we all know nor will they be. Little has changed as I see it over the years in regards to the owners Behavior.
I’m quoting exactly that.
Where is the morality in an average Joe with the same allegations going to jail but someone rich buying their way out? I’ll wait.
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