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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson
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Dejaview
All Pro
It seems to me that “indefinite“ could even be for a whole day. Otherwise shouldn’t we wait and see how these women will defend themselves first? They say he did all this stuff but a GJ said it’s not credible. Even though the GJ isn’t credible IMO the focus should be on how the women prove credibility in court. Most civil suits I know of involve tangible evidence, unpaid bills, shoddy work, trespass and damage to property, etc. as I said earlier with all of his baggage on IG you would hope one of the women would have tried to capture credible evidence. Find it and kick him out of the NFL but without it…wow.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Sounds like a one year suspension (from all that I've read) that could be renewed. Not an outright banishment from the NFL.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Florio speculating............He can't miss....
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What happens with the four remaining cases against Deshaun Watson?
Posted by Mike Florio on June 25, 2022, 7:20 AM EDT
Last October, then-Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson could have settled all but four of the civil lawsuits pending against him. He wanted to resolve all of them or none of them.
This week, Watson reached a tentative settlement with all but four of the individuals who have sued him for sexual misconduct during massage therapy sessions. So what happens to the other four?
Attorney Tony Buzbee disclosed that the claims made by Ashley Solis, the first person to sue, will proceed. Once 20 of the 24 cases are dismissed, the identity of the other three remaining plaintiffs will be known.
There are two explanations for the failure to settle four of the cases. The plaintiffs either want more than Watson offered, or at this point they just want to go to trial, have their voices heard, and allow a jury to decide if Watson violated their rights.
As recently explained by Brent Schrotenboer of USA Today, Solis may have the strongest case against Watson. Houston police detective Kamesha Baker recently testified to that effect, and Watson has admitted under oath that Solis had “watery eyes” at the end of the session.
“Ashley Solis actually had a text message after the massage that indicated there was some questionable activity there in which we thought, ‘OK, well, why would you text this if everything was fine?’ ” Baker testified, via Schrotenboer.
“If everything was fine in the massage, why would you send her essentially an apology for the massage?”
Solis initiated the process, with Buzbee making a pre-lawsuit settlement demand on her behalf of $100,000. With that amount serving as an opening position, Buzbee undoubtedly was prepared to take less. But Watson’s camp (Rusty Hardin wasn’t involved at the time) refused to engage Buzbee and wanted him to make a new offer. As litigation goes, that’s a breach of etiquette even bigger than going straight from a double-dog dare to a triple-dog dare.
Lawyers resent being asked to bid against themselves. The process entails a rhythm, a back-and-forth. Watson’s representatives should have offered $20,000 or so, in order to flesh out Buzbee’s bottom line based on his next move.
And for those out there who insist this is “extortion,” it’s not. Pre-litigation settlement efforts happen all the time. There’s value in resolving claims before they become civil actions, for everyone. In this case, both sides would have benefited from a quiet, discreet effort to dispense justice.
Now that Solis has been forced to put her name, face, and voice on TV and elsewhere, maybe she’s ready to let the chips fall where they may at trial. That said, there’s quite possibly a number between $100,000 and, say, $1 million that would get her to end it now. She’s fully within her rights to make that decision — and it all could have been short-circuited if Watson’s representatives hadn’t been so short-sighted when the claim first came to their attention.
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What happens with the four remaining cases against Deshaun Watson?
Posted by Mike Florio on June 25, 2022, 7:20 AM EDT
Last October, then-Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson could have settled all but four of the civil lawsuits pending against him. He wanted to resolve all of them or none of them.
This week, Watson reached a tentative settlement with all but four of the individuals who have sued him for sexual misconduct during massage therapy sessions. So what happens to the other four?
Attorney Tony Buzbee disclosed that the claims made by Ashley Solis, the first person to sue, will proceed. Once 20 of the 24 cases are dismissed, the identity of the other three remaining plaintiffs will be known.
There are two explanations for the failure to settle four of the cases. The plaintiffs either want more than Watson offered, or at this point they just want to go to trial, have their voices heard, and allow a jury to decide if Watson violated their rights.
As recently explained by Brent Schrotenboer of USA Today, Solis may have the strongest case against Watson. Houston police detective Kamesha Baker recently testified to that effect, and Watson has admitted under oath that Solis had “watery eyes” at the end of the session.
“Ashley Solis actually had a text message after the massage that indicated there was some questionable activity there in which we thought, ‘OK, well, why would you text this if everything was fine?’ ” Baker testified, via Schrotenboer.
“If everything was fine in the massage, why would you send her essentially an apology for the massage?”
Solis initiated the process, with Buzbee making a pre-lawsuit settlement demand on her behalf of $100,000. With that amount serving as an opening position, Buzbee undoubtedly was prepared to take less. But Watson’s camp (Rusty Hardin wasn’t involved at the time) refused to engage Buzbee and wanted him to make a new offer. As litigation goes, that’s a breach of etiquette even bigger than going straight from a double-dog dare to a triple-dog dare.
Lawyers resent being asked to bid against themselves. The process entails a rhythm, a back-and-forth. Watson’s representatives should have offered $20,000 or so, in order to flesh out Buzbee’s bottom line based on his next move.
And for those out there who insist this is “extortion,” it’s not. Pre-litigation settlement efforts happen all the time. There’s value in resolving claims before they become civil actions, for everyone. In this case, both sides would have benefited from a quiet, discreet effort to dispense justice.
Now that Solis has been forced to put her name, face, and voice on TV and elsewhere, maybe she’s ready to let the chips fall where they may at trial. That said, there’s quite possibly a number between $100,000 and, say, $1 million that would get her to end it now. She’s fully within her rights to make that decision — and it all could have been short-circuited if Watson’s representatives hadn’t been so short-sighted when the claim first came to their attention.
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
wrong thread.
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Texian
Hall of Fame
From a logical and common-sense perspective, an indefinite suspension does make the most sense, especially if Watson lied to them. This gives the NFL the most protection from future Watson shenanigans coming back to bite them in the azz. I can see the NFL imposing a lengthy mandatory rehab stint as part of any future reinstatement (Tiger Woods spent 2 months in sexual addiction rehab).
The NFL is in a position where they have to make a statement. I can see the NFL being as tough or tougher than MLB was with Trevor Bauer. From a public perception, the NFL won't want to look like the weaker sister against sexual abuse and sexual predators. The NFL will want to appear as the Champion against any and all violence against women. The NFL will send this message, IMO. As part of the NFL message, I have some concerns that the NFL could take away Texans' (Cleveland) draft pick(s) for initially helping and enabling Watson to do what he was doing.
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I was with you right up to this statement. I'm not as concerned with the Texans losing draft picks. They didn't start any trade talks with Cleveland until well after it was known that he had 22 civil suits against him and that he had been no billed by 2 separate grand juries. The NFL will want to punish the Browns more by making the pay the price they agreed to pay for the alleged sleaze
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Texans didn’t enable Watson. He took advantage of Texans resources and the Texans were unaware of what he was doing. Watson testified to that.
Unless there is an investigation that uncovers something that hasn’t been reported. It would have to be in emails, texts, recorded phone calls, etc. Which is very doubtful because there is no smoke of an investigation even being looked into or considered by the NFL.
I have no concern the draft picks will be taken away.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Basically everything Rappaport and what the others have stated,
We don't know this
Yet we believe he is lying about everything else.
Can you link me to the reports of 6 possible criminal cases, 3 involving minors?
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Why would the women have to defend themselves? I think you got this process completely back asswards.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
1. We don’t have anything that could cast any doubt that the Texans knew that Watson was engaging in illegal activities. The reservation at a hotel would be closer to a fringe benefit for a franchise QB. And probably common thing for franchises to do for Star players.
2. What motive would Watson have to lie for the Texans benefit? None.
What motive would Watson have to lie about sexual assault? Millions of dollars and his freedom.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Whether one refers to the condition as "sex addiction" by some or "hypersexuality" by others, the condition is A deeply embedded issue. What is not debated is that it is a difficult condition to treat successfully whether by behavioral adjustment therapy (including inpatient and life-long 12-step) or by medicinal means. Typically it is associated with other addictions, and as such is prone to a high rate of relapse. When someone does not have the ability to cope with those situations in a healthy way, drugs, alcohol, and sex can unfortunately seem like the best solutions. Tiger Woods was admited for inpatient treatment of "sex addiction" and alcoholism...............he still drinks significantly and still engages in multiple sex partners, despite having a girlfriend.
@CloakNNNdagger texted me information about such a suspension on the 23rd, that he got confirmation of on the 22nd of June. Corrosion has also put information on this board WELL before Rappoport reported it.
That’s not what indefinite means….And the women aren’t the ones facing accusations so they don’t have to defend themselves
Why was Brian Gaine fired? What was Rick Smith doing with the females at NRG/Reliant that created an “unsafe work environment”?
just because you don’t want to see the smoke doesn’t mean the sky is clear. I don’t know what the heck has been going on on Kirby, & that’s my point. We don’t know what the Texans knew, or should have known but turned a blind eye, or buried there head in the sand.
Read these two together really fast.
What are you expecting him to say?
“Yadamn right I told the Texans I was going to assault & possibly rape unexpected massage professionals”
Then turn around & say, “I never mistreated a woman”
They kinda go hand in hand
I don’t see how this could be a “sex addiction/hypersexuallity” issue.
he’s a star QB for an NFL team. Sex addiction/hypersexuallity could be satisfied with hanger-ons, groupies, & sex workers.
This is predatorial, narcositic, psychopathic, & criminal
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
First of all, I responded @Texian concerning "sexual addiction" rehab.
I've repeatedly posted of Watson's predatorial, narcassitic, sociopathic vs psychopatic activities.
As far as how "sex addiction"/"hypersexuality" factors in all of this............ Psychopaths have low impulse control and are generally very promiscuous. Since they need transgression, risk and variety in their lives, they’re likely to have tried a lot of sexual positions (e.g., baby yoga) in many locations with numerous partners. Initially, their ample sexual experience can appear exciting even to a normal person. In the honeymoon phase of the relationship, a psychopath is generally hypersexual with his partner. He’s excited by the chase and the “conquest,” by the novelty (something that is not fully satisfied by a hanger on, groupie, or sex worker), by the fact that he’s (most likely) cheating on other women, as well as by the increasing control he’s exercising over his partner.................it's all intertwined.............it's all grossly pathologic.
powerfuldragon
Enchilada Aficionado.
wonder if they're burying it because the punishment will be light?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I don't see this as a dump. I don't see the actual advantage of a dump in this situation. The notoriety of this situation will always be widely distributed by many sources in real time.
Some of you owe @CloakNNNdagger and @Corrosion apologies
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
1. Brian Gaine was let go for discrimination. Rick Smith resigned. I have no information that he made it an “unsafe work environment.” I didn’t hear anything by like he was doing what Matters Lauer was doing. If you have inside information please share.
Both those are unrelated and don’t move the needle to say Texans would willingly turn a blind eye to Watson’s allegedly sexual assault action. Gaine let go and Rick Smith forced to step down. That doesn’t show that the organization promotes behavior like Watson’s. Had he been QB for the Redskins I would say different. IMHO.
The second part is Watson could have said the Texans knew he was using the Houstonian for massages and he was having consensual sex with the massage therapists.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Texansballer74
The Marine
Texansballer74
The Marine
Deshaun Watson Accuser Shares Her Chilling Experience During QB's Massage | FOX Sports Radio
Listen to Nia Lewis, one of the 22 women accusing Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson of sexual assault, join ‘UNWINEWITHTASHAK’ for a revealing interview in which she details the disturbing timeline of events in graphic detail that she experienced in the massage room alone with Watson.
Yep. Say goodbye Cleveland. NFL seems pissed.
Smoke... that's all I'm saying. We don't know. I repeat, we don't know
A week or more before they report it.
And while you are at it, go back and search when & where the instagram hoes mess was first reported ..... That's where all this began.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Nope, haven't seen it come out yet either.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
For what?
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Let me ask you a good question, if your sources are as strong as you say, why aren't you breaking the developments like Mark Berman? I mean if I had the plug, I'm going to get paid like TMZ , not post on a message board of fans. I know if I need to find out some information about league stuff, I can call Pat Kirwan. So like when someone posted a story about Flores and Athletes 1st, I called and verified. What the poster, a respected poster insinuated was wrong on top of wrong. When I challenged him, the mods say I was bullying. I didn't say he was lying, his facts were wrong,but the information from a respected poster who "doesn't have to lie" was wrong as wrong can be.
In my personal opinion, things posted as speculation with sources should be challengable on a message board. If not, then its like the news cycle of who can report 1st without any stipulations of being correct.
Dejaview
All Pro
Wrong. There is a difference between defending yourself and demonstrating your trauma. this isn’t about the women having to fight off accusations that they were never traumatized by his actions. That is defending yourself. They, IMO, have the burden in a civil case to show how they were traumatized and how they are having to live with that trauma. What else would this case be about? Beating to death again was was dismissed by the GJ? Nope. They need to show a “platform” that a monetary reward can be assesed against.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Reports: NFL seeks minimum 1-year ban for Deshaun Watson in disciplinary hearings that start Tuesday
A retired U.S. District judge will rule on what, if any, suspension Watson faces. She's expected to rule before the start of training camp.
Actually, Watson has to prove that he didn’t traumatize anyone. He deleted all of his text messages so he can’t do that.
Dejaview
All Pro
Ok help me out. First and foremost DW is a waste of oxygen imo. BUT what am I missing. Didn’t the GJ say there is no credible evidence to prove this woman’s trauma? This is where I’m hung up. are those accusations off the table in theses civil suits. Do the women have to go into the suits with bills for psychiatric treatment and ask for just recompense? That’s how the civil suits I’m aware of go down, but Id be the first to say this isn’t my bailiwick.,fit(1200,675),quality(65))
Deshaun Watson Accuser Shares Her Chilling Experience During QB's Massage | FOX Sports Radio
Listen to Nia Lewis, one of the 22 women accusing Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson of sexual assault, join ‘UNWINEWITHTASHAK’ for a revealing interview in which she details the disturbing timeline of events in graphic detail that she experienced in the massage room alone with Watson.foxsportsradio.iheart.com
Dejaview
All Pro
Ok, but didn’t the GJ say there is no credible evidence that he violated these women’s rights? Not arguing, just confused.
TexansBull
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TexansBull
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They had me at hello.