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Not necessarily. We have " best players" by position here.He wants the best player. Only way to assure that is to get the #1 overall.
I'm sure I don't need to enumerate them for you.
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Not necessarily. We have " best players" by position here.He wants the best player. Only way to assure that is to get the #1 overall.
Agree.Look at the Rams this yr as my rebuttal.
YupNot necessarily. We have " best players" by position here.
I'm sure I don't need to enumerate them for you.
So let's trade up & get the #1 overall pick.
Or let's work the draft & build a complete team
Look at the Rams this yr as my rebuttal. You need 4-5 star level players on each side of the ball to win a championship and those usually come from higher picks. They also can come through trades/fa as the Rams have proven. You also need the type of players you're talking about. But those can be gotten rds 3-5 like the Rams have also proven. You can also get these guys as cheap fa signings.
But if you have a chance to get a Donald or a Ramsey you do it and fill in around them.
I'm not arguing this either. I'm arguing Neal is the best player in this draft and if available Caserio should pick him. The Bengals were an abberration last year. This really speaks to how good Joey B really was last year.Agree.
Look at the Bengals. OL is subject but they can put up points.
The Texans pass pro is not as bad as the Bengals.
I'm not arguing to ignore the OL. I'm saying don't "sell out" the "team build" approach to draft a LT we don't need. Don't draft a guard at #3 overall.
Wisely use those picks with an eye on the entire team now & in the future.
ExactlyOne reason Rams can “eff them picks” is they have had success hitting on mid-late round picks unlike some teams local to Houston.
I'm not arguing this either. I'm arguing Neal is the best player in this draft and if available Caserio should pick him. The Bengals were an abberration last year. This really speaks to how good Joey B really was last year.
(Cough) Hamilton.I'm not arguing this either. I'm arguing Neal is the best player in this draft and if available Caserio should pick him. The Bengals were an abberration last year. This really speaks to how good Joey B really was last year.
If you liked the draft, why are you afraid it is a lost year?
Look at the Rams this yr as my rebuttal. You need 4-5 star level players on each side of the ball to win a championship and those usually come from higher picks. They also can come through trades/fa as the Rams have proven. You also need the type of players you're talking about. But those can be gotten rds 3-5 like the Rams have also proven. You can also get these guys as cheap fa signings.
But if you have a chance to get a Donald or a Ramsey you do it and fill in around them.
Culley was a failed experiment.Failed to hire a competent Head Coach.
Failed to reign in their franchise QB.
Therefore Texans identity last year was one of failure.
Draft picks aside, still have to prove otherwise with 4th coach in 3 years.
Culley was a failed experiment.
Watson was a problem child.
Texans did not deliberately try to fail.
I’ll advised experiment
Watson is a grown ass man
After 20 years Texans are still expansion tier quality
Hindsight is always 20/20.I’ll advised experiment
Watson is a grown ass man
After 20 years Texans are still expansion tier quality
I think we need to have 50 good players before searching out for super stars. The latter can’t come first.
You get 40 good players and you won't be picking high enough to get the kind of guys you want. You have to be very lucky to have a Watt/Donald available outside the top 5.
You have to be able to generate draft picks some way other than tanking.You get 40 good players and you won't be picking high enough to get the kind of guys you want. You have to be very lucky to have a Watt/Donald available outside the top 5.
Why?You have to be able to generate draft picks some way other than tanking.
Just based off PFF grades for OL 2021
29. HOUSTON TEXANS (UP 1)
LT Geron Christian Sr. | 59.5
LG Tytus Howard | 51.9
C Justin Britt | 64.5
RG Max Scharping | 60.0
RT Charlie Heck | 56.0
Eleven different offensive linemen played at least 58 snaps for the Texans this season, with 10 of them playing over 200. The team’s biggest issue is that those who played the most earned some of the worst grades, with the unit's top three players by workload earning PFF grades between 51.9 and 60.0. Five different linemen earned a run-blocking grade lower than 50.0, and the line as a whole earned the worst PFF run-blocking grade (47.4) in the league — the only unit to grade lower than 55.0.
My question is why? What was Laremy Tunsil's grade in 2020 & 2021.Just based off PFF grades for OL 2021
29. HOUSTON TEXANS (UP 1)
LT Geron Christian Sr. | 59.5
LG Tytus Howard | 51.9
C Justin Britt | 64.5
RG Max Scharping | 60.0
RT Charlie Heck | 56.0
This is a case where numbers don't lie.
Hopefully an upgrade or 2 happens in the draft and even though he's avg Cann will be an upgrade. I would like to see Howard's numbers at RT.
TK saying the ol is ok. LMAO
Tunsil only played 4 games last yr. He made the pro bowl in 2020, so his grade couldn't have been too bad. Although I'm sure playing nim playing next to Howard didn't help his numbers. BTW, the reason I want to know his RT numbers is to find out what we're going to see at RT next year. A perfectly normal question to ask.My question is why? What was Laremy Tunsil's grade in 2020 & 2021.
I don't think lack of talent is the main issue.
It's not deflection when it's been my point all along.Tunsil only played 4 games last yr. He made the pro bowl in 2020, so his grade couldn't have been too bad. Although I'm sure playing nim playing next to Howard didn't help his numbers.
Nice try at deflection though.
It's not deflection when it's been my point all along.
He went from 74 overall (estimating) to a 60.
His first two years, he was in the 60s, then jumped to 74 his third year, then 80s.
Imagine if Devlin was his coach for the first four years of his career.
Like these numbers - to support my position that the draft needs to emphasize the IOLJust based off PFF grades for OL 2021
29. HOUSTON TEXANS (UP 1)
LT Geron Christian Sr. | 59.5
LG Tytus Howard | 51.9
C Justin Britt | 64.5
RG Max Scharping | 60.0
RT Charlie Heck | 56.0
Eleven different offensive linemen played at least 58 snaps for the Texans this season, with 10 of them playing over 200. The team’s biggest issue is that those who played the most earned some of the worst grades, with the unit's top three players by workload earning PFF grades between 51.9 and 60.0. Five different linemen earned a run-blocking grade lower than 50.0, and the line as a whole earned the worst PFF run-blocking grade (47.4) in the league — the only unit to grade lower than 55.0.
Are you talking about Tunsil or Howard?
Imagine if Devlin was his coach for the first four years of his career.
I like the top ten guys in this draft but it's going to come down to DE/edge or CB if we pick at #3.Okay…..I just read the best article on Ekwonu yet. The article is available on ESPN.com in the NFL section.
Ekwonu was a high school wrestler and as crazy as it sounds….he ran anchor on the track teams 4x Relay Team. His Carolina HC had actually watched him wrestle and knew he had to have him on his OL. The move paid off. Ekwonu is an intelligent strategist in the way he approaches his opponent and devises the way he’ll destroy him on the field of play. Off the field….he’s a guy every team should be lucky to have. Texans can have him at 3.
I think Ekwonu would be my selection at 3, since he’s going to help both the run game and Mills in the pocket.
I like it if they can trade down and get better than they give in the trade.Like these numbers - to support my position that the draft needs to emphasize the IOL
I have to chirp in once a week, or so. My position is unchanged. Trade down from #3 if we get a solid offer. I'd prefer to trade down from #13, but unless this trade occurs before the draft, can't take the chance this trade doesn't materialize if we get an offer for 3.
My target is still Green, somewhere about 18 to 20. I'd also be targeting Kinnard in the 2nd, but not as an OT. He's a RG. And I'd be targeting Salyer as a fit at OC.
The value of trading down is to further target Skyy Moore or Alec Pierce in the 2nd; and I'd like to take a RB with 3/68. Here I have James Cook as a perfect fit in Pep's offense. I also like D'vonte Price, maybe in the 4th, as a downhill power runner who also has speed. Running Back is a deep position.
If we can squeeze in a defensive player, here or there, I'm good with that.
I like it if they can trade down and get better than they give in the trade.
The Texans need everything. I wouldn't get too stuck on a position. I love the idea of Ikem/Neal at 3 but would not be opposed if they draft Hamilton/Gardner/Aidan/Thibs or even Stingley at 3.
#13 is where I think the Texans can trade back and get great value while still upgrading the offensive line with Green/Zion or Raimann. Any one of those defensive players at 3 along with one of the three offensive linemen later in round 1 would be a great haul, IMO.
The great debate is at #37 IMO.
I like it if they can trade down and get better than they give in the trade.
The Texans need everything. I wouldn't get too stuck on a position. I love the idea of Ikem/Neal at 3 but would not be opposed if they draft Hamilton/Gardner/Aidan/Thibs or even Stingley at 3.
#13 is where I think the Texans can trade back and get great value while still upgrading the offensive line with Green/Zion or Raimann. Any one of those defensive players at 3 along with one of the three offensive linemen later in round 1 would be a great haul, IMO.
The great debate is at #37 IMO.
I agree that trading back from #13 would have its benefits. If I had my choice of the late round OL, it’d be Zion.I like it if they can trade down and get better than they give in the trade.
The Texans need everything. I wouldn't get too stuck on a position. I love the idea of Ikem/Neal at 3 but would not be opposed if they draft Hamilton/Gardner/Aidan/Thibs or even Stingley at 3.
#13 is where I think the Texans can trade back and get great value while still upgrading the offensive line with Green/Zion or Raimann. Any one of those defensive players at 3 along with one of the three offensive linemen later in round 1 would be a great haul, IMO.
The great debate is at #37 IMO.
Hall might be gone before 37.For me….37 has become the easiest pick. The Texans have committed themselves to being a Power Run team. I want the best back in the draft to be a Texan. There’s no doubt in my mind that Breece Hall is the cream of the crop. If the Texans chance falls at 37, then so be it, b/c I doubt he’s still on the board at 67. A lot is riding on the new offensive philosophy and having the players to make it happen. Ekwonu, Hall, and Smith could certainly get things moving in the right direction.
Hall might be gone before 37.
Even if he is still there, unless the Texans get real fortunate in a trade there's going to be a greater need than RB that wasn't addressed in round one. On drafttek, their "starter need high" is: CB, Edge and WR. I think they could throw OL in there as well. They have RB as a "starter need medium". I agree with that. I believe there are four positions that are a greater need than RB. In what order they are addressed is not of importance to me.
Theoretically lets say the Texans draft OL and WR in round 1. That leaves Edge and CB. Or they draft OL and CB. That leaves WR and Edge. Edge and OL...leaves WR and CB...
I feel like, and I could be wrong after the second round the dip in talent at OL, Edge, CB and WR is quite steep. And it's easier to find a productive running back later in the draft. Debatable, I know. There are some running backs I like almost as much as Hall that can be drafted in round 4 or 5.
See my latest post in All encompassing 2022 draft thoughts. I certainly would like to trade back from #13 five to seven spots, but I'd be good taking Green at #13.How would you feel about trading back into the late 1st for Green?
Only two or three RB's are projected to go in the 2nd round. I like the value of a WR at #37 and waiting to the 3rd round for a RB.For me….37 has become the easiest pick. The Texans have committed themselves to being a Power Run team. I want the best back in the draft to be a Texan. There’s no doubt in my mind that Breece Hall is the cream of the crop. If the Texans chance falls at 37, then so be it, b/c I doubt he’s still on the board at 67. A lot is riding on the new offensive philosophy and having the players to make it happen. Ekwonu, Hall, and Smith could certainly get things moving in the right direction.
Are you considering the blocking scheme the Texans are reputably installing?I agree that trading back from #13 would have its benefits. If I had my choice of the late round OL, it’d be Zion.
I am not. Would Zion be a good fit for our blocking scheme?Are you considering the blocking scheme the Texans are reputably installing?
If I can get Larry Warford, I'm in!I am not. Would Zion be a good fit for our blocking scheme?
Probably.I am not. Would Zion be a good fit for our blocking scheme?
Top 3 needs on team imo:
1) Outside CB
2) Interior OL
3) Edge rusher
I suspect the Texans will look to address these items of need within the first three rounds. Of course there are plenty of other areas of need and highly talented players in the upcoming draft ready to fill those spots on the roster.
Whether the top three needs I suggest are addressed in the first three picks remains to be seen. But with seven picks in the top 107 there is plenty of ammo to maneuver for Caserio to “get his guys”.
What is power run scheme? Does that mean isolation and pulling? G-power? If you're trying to marry up a rb as well as the ol to fit the scheme, you give the rb coach his pick that fits. No matter who the pundits think fits.For me….37 has become the easiest pick. The Texans have committed themselves to being a Power Run team. I want the best back in the draft to be a Texan. There’s no doubt in my mind that Breece Hall is the cream of the crop. If the Texans chance falls at 37, then so be it, b/c I doubt he’s still on the board at 67. A lot is riding on the new offensive philosophy and having the players to make it happen. Ekwonu, Hall, and Smith could certainly get things moving in the right direction.
What the Cowboys use to be, smash mouth football. Downhill running it down your throat.What is power run scheme? Does that mean isolation and pulling? G-power? If you're trying to marry up a rb as well as the ol to fit the scheme, you give the rb coach his pick that fits. No matter who the pundits think fits.
Top 3 needs on team imo:
1) Outside CB
2) Interior OL
3) Edge rusher
I suspect the Texans will look to address these items of need within the first three rounds. Of course there are plenty of other areas of need and highly talented players in the upcoming draft ready to fill those spots on the roster.
Whether the top three needs I suggest are addressed in the first three picks remains to be seen. But with seven picks in the top 107 there is plenty of ammo to maneuver for Caserio to “get his guys”.
When was this, the 90s?What the Cowboys use to be, smash mouth football. Downhill running it down your throat.
Personally I’d like to see a Robert Newsome type RB drafted like Baller implied.The team is really shallow at IOL, Safety, RB, and at DT.