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All encompassing 2022 draft thoughts thread

steelbtexan said:
Like I said, I wont have a problem if Caserio uses the 1st three picks on defense. If Caserio doesn't draft Neal at #3, then I hope he goes with Sauce/Davis/Williams and if Cal wont let him draft Williams the Ekibetie would be my pick at 37.
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Why would Cal not let him draft Williams?
 
OptimisticTexan said:
In my Mock….KC offered their RD1-29, RD1-30, RD2-50, and 2023 RD2 for the Texans #3 pick…..I took it.

Bengals offered up RD1-31, RD2-63, RD3-95, and their 2023 RD2 for the Texans #13 pick….and I took that one as well.

Raiders offered up RD3-86 and RD4-126 for the Texans RD3-80 and RD6-207….and I had to take that one as well.

In the end….trading 3 and 13 returned the Texans 9 of the top 100 and 11 of the top 108. 14 picks overall. If a team wants to start a rebuild on the right foot….this could be one way to do it.
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Makes you wonder why NFL GMs don't consult mock draft simulators more often..
 
Past sexual assault accusations.

Charges dropped and no other issues in the past year and a half.
 
thunderkyss said:
Since we have Tunsil do you think we could improve the run game drafting a guard at the end of the 1st round & again at the top of the 2nd?
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Sure, drafting Green in the late 1st and Salter in the early 2nd would help a lot.

Caserio doesn't have a late 1st.
 
What is the current state of the Texans OL?
LT is locked up with Tunsil?
Howard is solid LG?
Britt is serviceable OC, but do need upgrade?
RG McCray via Atlanta decent?
Heck also seemed decent but should upgrade or add Swing Tackle?

Don’t see pressing OL need in the 1st rd over arguably best defensive gems in awhile? Think I’d go CB1 then Edge.
 
beerlover said:
What is the current state of the Texans OL?
LT is locked up with Tunsil? - For one season at $17 million with a $35 million cap hit in 2023.
Howard is solid LG? - For one season.
Britt is serviceable OC, but do need upgrade? - Signed for age 31 & 32 seasons. Hasn't played a full season since 2018.
RG McCray via Atlanta decent? - For one season
Heck also seemed decent but should upgrade or add Swing Tackle? - Signed for 2 seasons.
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I see pressing needs at every position on the team, so the Texans can't fill all of them in a single draft. But starting to put together an offensive line for the future in order to build cohesiveness is not a terrible idea.
 
badboy said:
The only one I would give up a round 6 for would be the TE Kolar.
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Didn't realize you were so miserly with the 6th rounders.

I like all of the guys I know (Goodrich, Melton, Kolar, Volson) in the 6th round. Give me any 3 of those 4, and I'd give Nick a big thumbs up.
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badboy said:
Just for discussion, why do you think Neal has a higher floor than does Ahmad Gardner? Almost all sources say Neal should play one year at right tackle. I don't hear or see anyone saying sauce should play Anywhere day one other than outside cornerback. Same for Kyle Hamilton as all say he can play any of the safety positions and perhaps cornerback.. but should be a roaming safety . Some knock him for the slow 40 time but at least he competed at combine. Neil did not lift or do any of the events.
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Gardner has a high floor as well. As does Hamilton. Neal’s floor is higher because OL in general have more longevity and he has proven he can be a plus starter at both tackle positions and guard. DBs are one serious injury away from being a completely different player. We saw Duane Brown come back from a serious leg injury to play at a high level and is still productive in his late 30s.

A nitpicking worry with Gardner is his light weight (6’3” 190) which could lead to durability concerns due to harder impact collisions in NFL. Also his tendency to get grabby in coverage which will lead to more penalties in pros if not corrected. And I think he is the best CB prospect since Jalen Ramsey.

But Neal has a higher floor (imo of course).
 
beerlover said:
What is the current state of the Texans OL?
LT is locked up with Tunsil?
Howard is solid LG?
Britt is serviceable OC, but do need upgrade?
RG McCray via Atlanta decent?
Heck also seemed decent but should upgrade or add Swing Tackle?

Don’t see pressing OL need in the 1st rd over arguably best defensive gems in awhile? Think I’d go CB1 then Edge.
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I'm thinking the ol you just listed helped lead to a 3.0 yd per carry avg and was subpar in pass pro. This is in addition to being injury prone. The only addition to the OL is McCann and he's been avg over his career. Gotta have some upgrades. At least 1 upgrade, preferably 2.

What I'm hoping happens is if they choose to go defense. Walker/Davis in rd. 1. Although Sauce/Johnson would be great too.

If Sauce/Johnson happens then give me DT Jones at 37. Then trade up for Salter in late rd 2.

This fixes the trenches somewhat. Not perfect but much better than last year..

The go with the skill positions with the other picks in rds 3-4.

I might even look to move up into late rd 2 again of a difference making playmaker fell. That would make for a 5 player draft plus the 6-7th rd picks but I would be good with this.

I also wouldn't have an issue with Woods in the 3rd and Melton in the ,4th
 
Lucky said:
Didn't realize you were so miserly with the 6th rounders.

I like all of the guys I know (Goodrich, Melton, Kolar, Volson) in the 6th round. Give me any 3 of those 4, and I'd give Nick a big thumbs up.
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Only because I see the rest of them as undrafted free agents at best
 
badboy said:
But do we need to spend pick three for one of those monsters in the trench? Many if not most here seem to agree that green, Johnson, Penning, Kennard and Salyer can be had at or after Pick 13. I think possible Zion and Kennard may be there at 37 and Salyer at 68 perhaps 80.
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It's all going to boil down to who the powers that be deem best value where they're at.
I would be pretty happy with Hutchinson, Neal or Ekwonu at #3, and Hamilton or Lloyd or Walker at #13 - this pick is contingent on who they took at #3.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm thinking the ol you just listed helped lead to a 3.0 yd per carry avg and was subpar in pass pro. This is in addition to being injury prone. The only addition to the OL is McCann and he's been avg over his career. Gotta have some upgrades. At least 1 upgrade, preferably 2.

What I'm hoping happens is if they choose to go defense. Walker/Davis in rd. 1. Although Sauce/Johnson would be great too.

If Sauce/Johnson happens then give me DT Jones at 37. Then trade up for Salter in late rd 2.

This fixes the trenches somewhat. Not perfect but much better than last year..

The go with the skill positions with the other picks in rds 3-4.

I might even look to move up into late rd 2 again of a difference making playmaker fell. That would make for a 5 player draft plus the 6-7th rd picks but I would be good with this.
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Agreed on all points. I don’t see how anyone can look a the Texans OL and think it shouldn’t be a high priority. Interior OL is the largest single weakness on this roster next to edge rusher imo. Or RB… or TE… or CB… or… crap this team lacks talent!!!
 
TheRealJoker said:
Agreed on all points. I don’t see how anyone can look a the Texans OL and think it shouldn’t be a high priority. Interior OL is the largest single weakness on this roster next to edge rusher imo. Or RB… or TE… or CB… or… crap this team lacks talent!!!
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While I agree I think the moves that car sterio has made suggest that he sees the offensive Line differently.
 
Lucky said:
Didn't realize you were so miserly with the 6th rounders.

I like all of the guys I know (Goodrich, Melton, Kolar, Volson) in the 6th round. Give me any 3 of those 4, and I'd give Nick a big thumbs up.
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I would give up a couple of those 6ths to move up for Melton. That guys very underrated. I would definitely spend a 6th on Goodrich.
 
TheRealJoker said:
LZ’s take on ranking the position group depth this year. Something to take into account when deciding which “star” players to acquire early.

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So LZ has Edge #1 CB #4 rated groups, key word groups. Could make argument Sauce is not only CB1 but Best Player in the draft. Edge rusher could be Jermaine Johnson. Now interior line group strength #3 and OT #6 proves my point and fact needs exist everywhere.
 
Looking at late round options in the secondary:

I see Josh Jobe’s name coming up as someone who’s draft stock has fallen. I have seen him mocked between round 3-6. If he had entered the draft last year and not played through a turf toe injury he would most certainly be a day 2 pick as his floor. Starting CB Alabama has a workout 4/13 and is not expected to test well coming off surgery for toe.

32 5/8” arms, physical in run support. The only the thing missing to peg him as a Lovie Smith CB is the ball production. But Lovie has proven that he can teach players how to take away the football. If he does indeed fall to one of the 6th round picks he is an outside CB with starter upside.
 
beerlover said:
So LZ has Edge #1 CB #4 rated groups, key word groups. Could make argument Sauce is not only CB1 but Best Player in the draft. Edge rusher could be Jermaine Johnson. Now interior line group strength #3 and OT #6 proves my point and fact needs exist everywhere.
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if HOU at the end of the 1st round has Sauce and Jermaine Johnson II, that’s a huge win.
And that’s not even my ideal scenario.
 
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TheRealJoker said:
Could certainly do worse than solidifying the DL in a deep DL draft. Walker/Davis would make it hard for Henry/Taylor to do their typical 100-200 yards multi td act against the Texans.

It will be hard for the Texans to screw up with picks 3 and 13.
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I think we could move to 20 something and get Davis still. Meaning we could likely get an early 2nd too.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Looking at late round options in the secondary:

I see Josh Jobe’s name coming up as someone who’s draft stock has fallen. I have seen him mocked between round 3-6. If he had entered the draft last year and not played through a turf toe injury he would most certainly be a day 2 pick as his floor. Starting CB Alabama has a workout 4/13 and is not expected to test well coming off surgery for toe.

32 5/8” arms, physical in run support. The only the thing missing to peg him as a Lovie Smith CB is the ball production. But Lovie has proven that he can teach players how to take away the football. If he does indeed fall to one of the 6th round picks he is an outside CB with starter upside.
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His projected move is to safety, not a corner, that’s why.
 
If you get some guys with juice in the backfield and Pep proves to be a above avg oc, the run game will be fine. You know the quickest way to not have the ability to run the ball? Having the worse scoring offense in the nfl and a below avg defense. I like Sauce/Thibs at 3. I can really see why Lovie wants a guy who can not only play press man (cover 3), cover 2,and even man to man. Unless your front 4 is whipping every team and your lbs are closing all those windows in the middle, you need a cb who can play man sometimes, especially in critical 3rd down situations.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Looking at late round options in the secondary:

I see Josh Jobe’s name coming up as someone who’s draft stock has fallen. I have seen him mocked between round 3-6. If he had entered the draft last year and not played through a turf toe injury he would most certainly be a day 2 pick as his floor. Starting CB Alabama has a workout 4/13 and is not expected to test well coming off surgery for toe.

32 5/8” arms, physical in run support. The only the thing missing to peg him as a Lovie Smith CB is the ball production. But Lovie has proven that he can teach players how to take away the football. If he does indeed fall to one of the 6th round picks he is an outside CB with starter upside.
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How would you feel about a draft like this

Neal
Davis
Williams
Armour- Davis
Austin
Woods
Pierce
Jobe
Melton
Teague
 
steelbtexan said:
We will see about this.

I think Walker/Thibs/Sauce is the pick at 1-3.

My pick would be to protect Mills with the best I could get. Neal
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Despite not being able to run the ball, protection wise they were ok. Its not like previous year when Watson was the qb under the most pressure of any qb. You just need to be able to run the ball when you need to. 4 minute offense, 3rd and 3 or less.
 
leebigeztx said:
Despite not being able to run the ball, protection wise they were ok. Its not like previous year when Watson was the qb under the most pressure of any qb. You just need to be able to run the ball when you need to. 4 minute offense, 3rd and 3 or less.
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That's because they used a short passing game for the most part and Mills got rid of the ball quickly. (I know about Mills throwing well 20 + yds down field.)

They also need to be able to run the ball at the GL and on 3rd and short. A guy like Pierce/Robinson/White/ Teague would help with this.
 
Jack Burton said:
if HOU at the end of the 1st round has Sauce and Jermaine Johnson II, that’s a huge win.
And that’s not even my ideal scenario.
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I mocked Sauce and Johnson but ended up with Trevor pinning at 13 due to needing to replace laremy tunsil in 2023. I just don't see any good offensive tackles in that draft. If we get an extra round 2 in a trade down I like
Cameron Thomas 71 tackles 20.5 for loss 10.5 sacks. I still think that Sam Williams with Mississippi May fall to round 4. No one has him top 100.
 
With the plethora of WR talent in the first round and several teams needing a QB, it is very possible we see some excellent receiver talent falling into the second.
I spotted a mock that had Texans taking Jahan Dotson at #37.
Yes please!
 
badboy said:
I mocked Sauce and Johnson but ended up with Trevor pinning at 13 due to needing to replace laremy tunsil in 2023. I just don't see any good offensive tackles in that draft. If we get an extra round 2 in a trade down I like
Cameron Thomas 71 tackles 20.5 for loss 10.5 sacks. I still think that Sam Williams with Mississippi May fall to round 4. No one has him top 100.
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Why do you need to replace Tunsil?

You've got plenty of cap space in 2023.

Sam Williams is a top 50 guy without the issues.
 
steelbtexan said:
That's because they used a short passing game for the most part and Mills got rid of the ball quickly. (I know about Mills throwing well 20 + yds down field.)

They also need to be able to run the ball at the GL and on 3rd and short. A guy like Pierce/Robinson/White/ Teague would help with this.
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Normally guys who have a nose for the endzone in college, have it in the nfl. I was looking at Aaron Jones of the Packers and he scored 40 tds in college. He also isn't a 4.3 220lb bruiser, but he knows how to find the end zone. I don't care who it is, he just needs to be a dude who can make plays. I'm not against taking that guy in the 2nd rd either.
 
leebigeztx said:
Normally guys who have a nose for the endzone in college, have it in the nfl. I was looking at Aaron Jones of the Packers and he scored 40 tds in college. He also isn't a 4.3 220lb bruiser, but he knows how to find the end zone. I don't care who it is, he just needs to be a dude who can make plays. I'm not against taking that guy in the 2nd rd either.
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These are the guys I listed and 1 could be had at 4-107.

Also I would add Strong to this list.
 
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