badboy
Hall of Fame
Huge assumption there will be adequate player to replace Tunsil in 2023. Early but I don't see it. That's why I draft Trevor Penning at 13
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All encompassing 2022 draft thoughts thread
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badboy
Hall of Fame
Just to clarify Neal hasn't played guard since 2019.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Would you take Neal at 3 to play right tackle and green at 13 to play left guard?
badboy
Hall of Fame
Cross to me is Tunsil with better skills at riding his speed opponent around the arc and better in run blocking. If he were available at 13 I'd consider.
Decim8
Veteran
I want Icky strictly as a guard, only because I think he can be our version of Quentin nelson
You should worry about OL with balance issues. Look at a guy the NYG drafted a few yrs ago, Will Hernandez was strong as a bull and an absolute mauler. He has balance issues and is now a serviceable OG bouncing around the league.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Are you aware that Ingram faced sexual assault charges? They were dropped, but still ... .
Number19
Hall of Fame
Yes. As long as we get Green, I'm pretty flexible with the rest of the draft. I'd still want a RG at 68, either Kinnard if still there, or Salyer.
Decim8
Veteran
Hmmmm I wasn't aware he had balance issues or read any reports about it
Hmmmm I wasn't aware he had balance issues or read any reports about it
Watch some of his film, he's not terrible, but he definitely needs improvement to the point I wouldn't risk #3 on him. Look at his bad plays as well as Neal's bd plays. They are different type athletes. Neal reminds me of a guy like Ogden or Walter Jones. Icky reminds me of Orlando Brown Sr. RIP, both were very good LT's, just different styles.
Number19
Hall of Fame
He missed all of the 2018 season and the start of the 2019 season while facing these charges. I wasn't aware of this until today when I bought Athlon Sports 2022 Guide.
Didn't Williams also have those issues?
edit: Found this... Williams was arrested for sexual battery during the summer of 2020 and suspended from the team. Eventually the charges were dropped and he returned just before the season.
Sam Williams DE Mississippi
Mississippi DE Sam Williams
I've read that he was accused, but charges were dropped about 1 1/2 yrs ago. I believe CnD posted something about this. But I could be wrong.
Williams would be a steal in the 2nd. A really good pass rusher. Reminds me of Justin Houston coming out of college.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I don't care who or where they select players honestly, they just need premium talent or everyone is getting fired in 3 years. The strength of all the afc teams with qbs under 27 is going to be a huge hurdle. We've witnessed a team like the Baker led Browns win 11 games with a tried and true coordinated rushing attack. Baker Mayfield at this point is probably a better qb than mills. He won 7 games as a rookie after previously the team won zero games and they still felt the need to upgrade the position. Both teams in the last 2 superbowls were avg running teams. This league is about passing and scoring points. All in all it comes back to premium players.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Is Icky on the ground alot? I do think he can be overaggressive, but thats where coaching comes in correct? The Texans have to get in the business of coaching and developing players again. Especially on the offensive line.
Leonard Davis from UT was a guard selected number 2 overall in 2001 by Arizona..
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
He was drafted as a LT and struggled. He moved to lg and became a probowl caliber player.
Give me the guy that I don't have to worry about or teach balance too.
He was drafted and started immediately at G. Moved to tackle out of necessity his second season I believe and then back inside to guard where he stayed.
Kinda the deal with Icky. Built like a guard .... but with 34+" arms, and way more talented than anyone on the team. Has played every position on the line .... but if you're the coach, you watch out for ol' #1 .... and play him at left tackle !
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
At this time, Caserio has been setting the table much like last season to try and keep the cap under control probably more for 2023 and 2024 versus this season.
The Texans 2022 OL: LT- Tunsil (2024), G/T- Howard (2024), G- Cann (2024), RT- Heck (2024), C- Britt (2024), C- Morrissey (2023), C- Quessenberry (2023), T- Ogbuehi (2023), and G- Scharping (2023), G- Cooper (2024), T- Green (2024).
The team has 7 lineman under contract through the 2023 season and 4 more playing for a contract beyond this season.
I think the team could add linemen via the draft but it could be later with the idea that the new bodies would have to play themselves onto the roster. To be honest, the right side of the line probably gets the juice if Pep and Warhop decide to line Howard up at LG. If Howard is earmarked for RT….then that moves LG and RG as prime targets.
If it comes down to the right side, then I think RG- Salyer (GA) would be a solid target in RD3 and my personal RD6 picks would be RT/RG- Stueber (MI) and/or RG- Van Demark (CT). All 3 are sound run game blockers who could fine tune their pass blocking with good coaching.
If Howard is RT, then LG and RG could be the focus. If trading the #3 pick doesn’t happen, then the question facing the Texans would be, which position brings the biggest potential impact to the Texans in 2022? I believe, Lovie gets his DL or CB piece at 3 and 13 becomes the first piece for the OL. I could see Lovie taking Thibodeaux if he’s on the board or CB, Gardner since he will probably still be on the board at 3. I could see Zion Johnson at 13 to fill the need at LG and Salyer at RG in RD3 since both possess the skills that Pep and Warhop would covet in the run game. I’d still like to add RT- Stueber in RD6 and let him compete for a roster spot.
I think Caserio, Pep, and Warhop feel they’ll run with the existing group and see who passes the grade and makes it beyond this season.
The Texans 2022 DL: DT- Collins (2024), DT- Blacklock (2024), DE- Greenard (2024), DT- Lopez (2025), DT- Keke (2023)…..damm, this group looks excessively thin.
Yeah, I’m going to go out on a limb and state that Caserio and Lovie will be giving the DL a whole lotta love in this draft. Personally, I could live with DE- Thibodeaux and DT- Jones (CT) with 3 and 37. I see Jones as being fairly important b/c Blacklock could finalize his fall to backup or cut as Jones would make him expendable. If Caserio and Lovie go CB- Gardner at 3….then I could see DT- Jones as a target in RD2 and maybe DE- Logan Hall or Cameron Thomas (SDSU) in RD3 or RD4.
THe Texans 2022 DB: FS- Murray (2025), CB- King (2024), CB- Johnson (2023), CB- Robinson (2024), CB- Thomas (2023), CB- Moreland (2023), CB- Stewart (2023), FS- Owens (2023)
So this group enters 2022 with 6 CB’s on the roster and 2 FS’s. The Safety spot is also screaming for attention. Kyle Hamilton could be an immediate answer for this position and the defensive backfield as a whole. There’s another SS that could be had later in the draft. Sterling Weatherford of Miami-Ohio is a solid prospect who mirrors the same physical dimensions as Hamilton, but played on a much smaller stage. His big stage moments came at the Senior Bowl where he slid up and played LB and excelled even though SS was his position throughout college. There are several late round prospects to help fortify this unit in the later rounds.
As for how the draft may play out:
RD1-003: Trade Down / LG- Ekwonu / DE- Thibodeaux / CB- Gardner / SS- Hamilton
**Everyone of these players will be off the board by the 13th pick. With 6 CB’s on the roster, I could see Gardner as the odd man out since the other 3 positions are truly in need.**
RD1-013: Trade Down / LG- Zion Johnson / LG- Kenyon Green / DE- Karlaftis / DL- Wyatt
**I think the 3 pick determines the 13th pick since both Lovie and Pep need answers. Caserio knows there’s no wrong answers if these are the players he’s picking between.**
RD2-037: Trade Down / DT- Travis Jones / RB- Breece Hall / CB- Jalen Pitre
**Getting answers for the trenches and defensive backfield could still be the first priority and there’s no doubt that Jones or Pitre would be outstanding additions regardless to how RD1 plays out. If both are on the board the decision will be tough since neither will be on the board come pick 68. The wildcard….do the Texans also see Breece Hall as being the best RB in the draft. Anyone who doubts this should check out some of his highlight videos for his break away speed, inside the 10 yard line ability to find the tough yards and end zone, and not to mention his ability to catch the ball and be productive out of the backfield.
RD3-068 / RD3-080: Stand Pat / RG- Jamaree Salyer / DL- Logan Hall / DE- Cameron Thomas
**Biggest target in RD3 should be Salyer b/c RG is a massive need even with the current personnel. At this point, Hall or Thomas would also be solid trench guys on the defensive side of the ball.**
RD4-107 - RD7-245: Fill in skill positions (WR, RB, TE, DB) and add my favorite late round pick, RT- Andrew Stueber (MI).
The Texans 2022 OL: LT- Tunsil (2024), G/T- Howard (2024), G- Cann (2024), RT- Heck (2024), C- Britt (2024), C- Morrissey (2023), C- Quessenberry (2023), T- Ogbuehi (2023), and G- Scharping (2023), G- Cooper (2024), T- Green (2024).
The team has 7 lineman under contract through the 2023 season and 4 more playing for a contract beyond this season.
I think the team could add linemen via the draft but it could be later with the idea that the new bodies would have to play themselves onto the roster. To be honest, the right side of the line probably gets the juice if Pep and Warhop decide to line Howard up at LG. If Howard is earmarked for RT….then that moves LG and RG as prime targets.
If it comes down to the right side, then I think RG- Salyer (GA) would be a solid target in RD3 and my personal RD6 picks would be RT/RG- Stueber (MI) and/or RG- Van Demark (CT). All 3 are sound run game blockers who could fine tune their pass blocking with good coaching.
If Howard is RT, then LG and RG could be the focus. If trading the #3 pick doesn’t happen, then the question facing the Texans would be, which position brings the biggest potential impact to the Texans in 2022? I believe, Lovie gets his DL or CB piece at 3 and 13 becomes the first piece for the OL. I could see Lovie taking Thibodeaux if he’s on the board or CB, Gardner since he will probably still be on the board at 3. I could see Zion Johnson at 13 to fill the need at LG and Salyer at RG in RD3 since both possess the skills that Pep and Warhop would covet in the run game. I’d still like to add RT- Stueber in RD6 and let him compete for a roster spot.
I think Caserio, Pep, and Warhop feel they’ll run with the existing group and see who passes the grade and makes it beyond this season.
The Texans 2022 DL: DT- Collins (2024), DT- Blacklock (2024), DE- Greenard (2024), DT- Lopez (2025), DT- Keke (2023)…..damm, this group looks excessively thin.
Yeah, I’m going to go out on a limb and state that Caserio and Lovie will be giving the DL a whole lotta love in this draft. Personally, I could live with DE- Thibodeaux and DT- Jones (CT) with 3 and 37. I see Jones as being fairly important b/c Blacklock could finalize his fall to backup or cut as Jones would make him expendable. If Caserio and Lovie go CB- Gardner at 3….then I could see DT- Jones as a target in RD2 and maybe DE- Logan Hall or Cameron Thomas (SDSU) in RD3 or RD4.
THe Texans 2022 DB: FS- Murray (2025), CB- King (2024), CB- Johnson (2023), CB- Robinson (2024), CB- Thomas (2023), CB- Moreland (2023), CB- Stewart (2023), FS- Owens (2023)
So this group enters 2022 with 6 CB’s on the roster and 2 FS’s. The Safety spot is also screaming for attention. Kyle Hamilton could be an immediate answer for this position and the defensive backfield as a whole. There’s another SS that could be had later in the draft. Sterling Weatherford of Miami-Ohio is a solid prospect who mirrors the same physical dimensions as Hamilton, but played on a much smaller stage. His big stage moments came at the Senior Bowl where he slid up and played LB and excelled even though SS was his position throughout college. There are several late round prospects to help fortify this unit in the later rounds.
As for how the draft may play out:
RD1-003: Trade Down / LG- Ekwonu / DE- Thibodeaux / CB- Gardner / SS- Hamilton
**Everyone of these players will be off the board by the 13th pick. With 6 CB’s on the roster, I could see Gardner as the odd man out since the other 3 positions are truly in need.**
RD1-013: Trade Down / LG- Zion Johnson / LG- Kenyon Green / DE- Karlaftis / DL- Wyatt
**I think the 3 pick determines the 13th pick since both Lovie and Pep need answers. Caserio knows there’s no wrong answers if these are the players he’s picking between.**
RD2-037: Trade Down / DT- Travis Jones / RB- Breece Hall / CB- Jalen Pitre
**Getting answers for the trenches and defensive backfield could still be the first priority and there’s no doubt that Jones or Pitre would be outstanding additions regardless to how RD1 plays out. If both are on the board the decision will be tough since neither will be on the board come pick 68. The wildcard….do the Texans also see Breece Hall as being the best RB in the draft. Anyone who doubts this should check out some of his highlight videos for his break away speed, inside the 10 yard line ability to find the tough yards and end zone, and not to mention his ability to catch the ball and be productive out of the backfield.
RD3-068 / RD3-080: Stand Pat / RG- Jamaree Salyer / DL- Logan Hall / DE- Cameron Thomas
**Biggest target in RD3 should be Salyer b/c RG is a massive need even with the current personnel. At this point, Hall or Thomas would also be solid trench guys on the defensive side of the ball.**
RD4-107 - RD7-245: Fill in skill positions (WR, RB, TE, DB) and add my favorite late round pick, RT- Andrew Stueber (MI).
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I'd be concerned about his limited experience run blocking. Mississippi ran mostly out of the shotgun..........even in that scheme, he did not impress in his run blocking. And in the shotgun, pass blocking is almost entirely centered around a vertical drop. His pass blocking ability may therefore be overrated for transition to the NFL.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Seems like most are sleeping on Linderbaum:-
Strengths:
- Elite run/pass blocker
- Excellent leadership qualities/intangibles
. Slightly undersized for the position
Only plays C.
Jason Kelce is almost identical in size and Linderbaum is actually heavier
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Has NFL potential as a C, but in college, he was not uncommonly overwhelmed by large DL.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Technique problem? Didn't seem to affect Kelce.
Sounds like he could do with a couple of big guards to help out.
That's why you need to draft a couple of OG's 1st. Give me Neal at 3 and if you want to draft a C Jurgens at 68.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Or take Linderbaum at #13 and Zion Johnson at #37...
I like Green as much as I do Icky. Green also has position flexibility and is more in balance , he does his assignments regardless of where you put him. He looked very good at LT against Alabama, not saying he's a LT in the NFL.
I doubt Zion will be there at 37.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
With all these combine heroes leapfrogging up the board, someone or likely multiple guys slide down a tad.
Assuming he's on our Board Neal would seem to be the best pick @ #3 to help us determine if Mills is gonna be our guy over the long-term, and he's also got a very high floor & he's the most versatile of the OL group so he can help us immediately his rookie season whether it's at OT or guard and that includes OLT because Tunsil maybe a bigger prima donna than anyone we could Draft in '22 so we dunno with lots of confidence if Tunsil is going to be playing this year or how much this year ?
Number19
Hall of Fame
So the question remains, what position was he drafted as. It's not unusual to have an OT to start as a rookie OG before moving to OT. What was his dominant position at UT. Was he a G who was moved to T. This move is relatively rare. Moving from T to G very common.
I think the reference I saw was that a pure OG has never been drafted that high.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Would Caserio and Lovie be, what word do I want (?), bold (?), yes let's go with bold, bold enough to take both Neil and Green in the 1st round? Imagine what that would do for our run game.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Kelce's arm length is 32 1/2 inches................Linderbaum's is 31. That means that if the Dlineman was not positioned directed in front of him, it could easily explain why he was overpowered.............not having the reserve to leverage rushes with his borderline size/strength.
[Edit: Kelce benched 25 reps.............Linderbaum forewent the bench press, which adds additional questions]
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Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Yeah measurables a don't always measure all the other intangibles that made them successful against the same guys they will be playing against in the NFL.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
See my "edit" above.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Sure, there may be an injury question there that has to be properly assessed.
However, there is no doubting his strength - if healthy as he is known as a strongman.
I've seen 2 or 3 fresh mocks this morning with him moving to the very end of round one. Tunsil and Cooks are our only two cap killers at $18m & $17m respectively .... next is a DB at $3m. Can't remember how long Tunsil signed for, but Cooks is tradeable .... shame it isn't the other way around !
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Tunsil's money is good thru 2022. He can be cut before the 2023 season (last year of his contract).........or more tradeable at that time.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Injury was not where I was going with my edit. When defending an opposing Dlineman, "strength" logarithmically decreases the further away from the core (lateral leverage), especially with someone with short arms. And with pass blocking, the OL usually takes an initial step back, making it more difficult for a short-armed OL to get that first chest punch and control in against a long-armed defender.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I think Salyer could play center if allowed time to train there. I think he has the perfect size and build to be a monster. Your thoughts?
badboy
Hall of Fame
Just to clarify Hernandez situation:Hmmmm I wasn't aware he had balance issues or read any reports about it
Will Hernandez - Wikipedia
You could argue he was drafted as on OL and was immediately inserted as a starter at G, which the Cardinals knew was the likely outcome when they selected him. Up to you how that fits your criteria.
Nonetheless..
Bill Fralic was drafted as a G number 2 overall in 1985.
Ken Huff was drafted as a G number 3 overall in 1975.
John Hicks as a G number 3 overall in 1974.
badboy
Hall of Fame
No not sleeping as all mocks have him towards end of round one.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Exactly but we have to draft 2 big guards to start next to him. You think Nick will use three high picks on middle of oline with other positions needing help? Lol
Saints add second 2022 first-round draft pick in multi-pick trade with Eagles
The Eagles are trading two 2022 first-round picks (No. 16 and 19), a 2022 sixth-round pick (No. 194) to the Saints in exchange for a 2022 first-round selection (No. 18), third-round pick (101) and seventh-round selection (237), as well as a 2023 first-rou
www.nfl.com
Looks like Eagles wanted to push a 1st to next year and Saints needed an extra 1st now.