Death to Google Ads! Texans Talk Tip Jar! 🍺😎👍
Thanks for your support!
TIME TO RELEASE THE STORY BEHIND THE "MULUGHETA EFFECT" ON THE WATSON/TEXANS RELATIONSHIP..............AND MORE
- Thread starter CloakNNNdagger
- Start date
- Status
Porky
Hall of Fame
never seen an episode of the Jefferson’s or Good Times I take it?
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Where did Will Smith live before moving to Bel Air?
Hold on someone is at my door…
It’s Will Smith.
No I didn’t say anything about your wife…I was talking about your TV show…
Damn y’all! Will Smith just smacked the **** out me!
badboy
Hall of Fame
Come on.. you want us to believe your priority is not what country a player's family is from? I would think all teams have that as a priority...
badboy
Hall of Fame
Wow I am impressed! This has to rival some of the old 76ers posts
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Maybe we can trade Will Smith to Cleveland.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Which is the Falcons jersey?
Boris
All Pro
folded on the babyfoot table
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
What? There are 4 jerseys on the pool table correct?
Boris
All Pro
They're fools if they don't learn from history. Due to his family being doctors and CTE concerns I'm pretty sure he won't play past his 1st contract.
Just for whatever it's worth, we call it a foosball table..
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Now you know foosball is the devil.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
No surprise if it's true.
Still think it has to do with the team not having his back during the allegations.
But yeah, wouldn't surprise me.
Still think it has to do with the team not having his back during the allegations.
But yeah, wouldn't surprise me.
frethack
Rookie
It would not surprise if the hiring of Caserio instead of Omar Khan had something to do with Watsons extracurriculars. Cal was weak in the first place for allowing Watson to have sway over the GM pick.
Perhaps Cal finally realized that he shouldn't let a kid who can't keep his own business in order have a say in the org structure.
I'm very happy to be rid of Watson, but we are stuck with Cal. Our team had flaws with Kubiak, but it didn't feel like we were rotting from the inside. Hopefully the rot stops spreading now that almost all things BoB are jettisoned. We've lost so much already.
Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk
Texian
Hall of Fame
I think the timeline of events shows that Cal McNair was talked into hiring Nick Caserio by Jack Easterby.
Jack Burton
Veteran
Yeah. To waste that much time and effort clearly is pointing to an emotional disorder.
I believe the story was that Cal and Jack prayed about it, and picked the guy that wasn't going to fire Easterby if he took the job.
Mere coincidence, really.
Last edited:
All of us choosing to be Texan fans point to an emotional disorder.
Jack Burton
Veteran
And yet we choose not to type out 1000 word diatribes of whine in a single post of butthurt.
Jack Burton
Veteran
Exactly. We all know what your conveying.Right. I'm paid the same here, whether I write 1000 words, or one sentence.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I'll stop writing 1000 word diatribes when the Kool Aid Brigade stop claiming Nick Caserio as the General Manager of the Decade. A question was asked, an answer was given. And yet they still read. A simple case of don't want some, don't start none.Right. I'm paid the same here, whether I write 1000 words, or one sentence.
Last edited:
Then the story is that it is written in Jack’s contract that only the owner can fire him. So it kinda doesn’t matter what GM was hired.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
The flaw in that theory is that the McNair's were chasing Caserio before anyone in Houston had ever even heard of Easterby. Caserio was the GM that Bob McNair wanted before he died and he settled on Gaines. Gaines had to be shown the door quickly and they looked under the barrel to find what was left and came up with OB as GM. Soon as possible though Cal was right back to hunting the white whale both he and his dad had been after till they finally caught him with 30 million and a 6 year contract.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Or a case of the facts.
The other story was the shine was off Caserio after some bad drafts, and the Texans were the only team interested.
Jack Burton
Veteran
Or a case of the butthurts.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Every GM will have a few fumbles. But every GM is not coming into a situation like Caserio did. The cap was already messed up from the previous regime. Did Caserio make a few bone headed decisions, heck yeah. My thing is why aren’t we factoring in the crap he came into. All the bad contracts, the dysfunction going on in the front office and then add in Watson bull. Therefore, I do not agree with Texain. To me he sounds like a fan who already had his mind up as soon as we hired Caserio. And to be honest the constant bashing gets old. We all know how he feels about anything coming out of New England. My thing is this is the year Caserio tenure truly starts. After this season should tell us if he’s this or that.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
I never heard that. Not saying its not true, God knows the Pats have drafted bad, but everything I have heard is that the buck stops with BB on drafts which was why Kraft was mad about having to spend so much in FA.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Let's revisit the flaw in your flaw. Bob McNair's interest in Nick Caserio was ONLY because that is who Bill O'Brien wanted for his GM. Bob Kraft said no. McNair hired Gaine because he liked him when Gaine was the Texans Director of Player Personnel. Bob McNair died at the end of 2018. Shortly after Bob's death Bill O'Brien and Cal McNair thought it a good idea to hire Jack Easterby.
In 2019 Jack Easterby attended the Patriots ring ceremony spending most of his time talking with Nick Caserio about becoming the Texans new GM. Something probably cooked up by O'Brien and Easterby before Easterby flew to Boston. The next day after returning to Houston, Easterby fired Briane Gaine thinking they had a deal to hire Caserio. That was until the Patriots slapped the Texans and Easterly for complete buffoonery and tampering. Again, no Caserio but the consolation prize was Bill O'Brien was made GM and Nick Caserio was promoted to Executive Vice President of Team Development. The Texans Dynamic Duo.
It is now a month into the new 2020 season and there is a player uprising and mutiny and JJ Watt tells Cal that Bill O'Brien has to go, so O'Brien is fired. Cal makes Easterby the interim GM for the remainder of the season.
So in 2021 the search for a new GM begins. Korn Ferry is hired, Cal creates 2 or 3 committees to advise (there were so many I can't remember them all), DeShaun Watson was told he would have input. All of this this was going on until early one Sunday morning when Jack Easterby went to Cal's house and convinced Cal that if they didn't hire Nick Caserio in the next 24 hours they would lose Nick to another team. It immediately became, to hell with all consultants, committees and what DW thought. Cal fired up the jet, flew to Boston and returned the next day with the new Texans Dynamic Duo and his new GM onboard.
Can you say the new triumvirate of Fusterclucks Cal McNair -Jack Easterby and Nick Caserio?
Last edited:
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
This can not be said enough times.
He’s taken all those things into account.
He believes Caserio chose the worst option in every case.
I believe Caserio chose the worse option in many, maybe even most every case.
We’re all waiting to see what Caserio will do in the future. He believes it will be more of the same. I believe odds aren’t good.
Just like we want to see consistent good play from the players, consistent good decisions from the QB. We expect consistency from the GM & right now it’s consistently below the bar.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
There is so much wrong with this post I'm not sure where to begin but I'll try.
You have absolutely no way of knowing this and it is pure opinion to fit your narrative. There was zero talk from anyone, even though the Texans were leaking info like a sinking ship, about OB wanting Caserio. I don't doubt he would have at least preferred him given he was in a power struggle with Smith but seeing as Bob McNair was not happy with OB regarding the QB carousal why would he seek out the GM OB wanted just because OB wanted it?
Now this is just complete fantasy. First Easterby did not fire Gaines and Gaines being fired had nothing at all to do with Caserio. Gaines was fired for HR reasons and thats all I'll say on that. It wouldn't have mattered what else was going on Gaines would have been fired. The Patriots tampering charge was actually very winnable by the Texans as Caserio's contract was illegally written per league rules and there was no evidence. Why do you think the very next year the league re-wrote that part of their by-laws to close that loophole. Even if, and this is a big if, they had a recording of Easterby trying to convince Caserio to come to Houston to be the GM Massachusetts is two party consent state so unless they can show Easterby and Caserio consented to have their conversation recorded they would be in violation of state law.
The one part of your post I agree with, I think it was Watt speaking out that finally broke the camel's back and got OB fired.
Again complete fantasy to match your predetermined narrative. Yes Korn Ferry was hired, and considering that they were the ones that recommended OB I'm not sure why anyone was upset that they were ultimately ignored, but seeing as they didn't have Caserio the list but did have a guy working for ESPN that had absolutely zero experience in anything remotely close to a GM role either they are very bad at their jobs or they were told to ignore Caserio on purpose. This would make sense if Cal told them I know everything I need to know about Caserio just tell me if there is anyone else better so I'm covering my bases. Cal did not "create 2 or 3 committees" he consulted with several long term NFL people and was ultimately told he needed to hire who he thought was best and ignore everyone else.
We have no idea what Watson was or was not told and even if he was told that he would have input he jetted off to Mexico and refused to answer his phone so what Texans were suppose to just wait around for him? I seriously doubt that Cal actually told him he would have input on the GM hire and before you bring up Cal's apology if you've never apologized for something you didn't do then clearly you've never been married. We've already seen how much of a liar and scumbag Watson is so why are you taking the word of someone accused by almost 2 dozen women of sexual assault who is currently being crucified in court because he can't keep his stories straight?
You have absolutely no way of knowing this and it is pure opinion to fit your narrative. There was zero talk from anyone, even though the Texans were leaking info like a sinking ship, about OB wanting Caserio. I don't doubt he would have at least preferred him given he was in a power struggle with Smith but seeing as Bob McNair was not happy with OB regarding the QB carousal why would he seek out the GM OB wanted just because OB wanted it?
Now this is just complete fantasy. First Easterby did not fire Gaines and Gaines being fired had nothing at all to do with Caserio. Gaines was fired for HR reasons and thats all I'll say on that. It wouldn't have mattered what else was going on Gaines would have been fired. The Patriots tampering charge was actually very winnable by the Texans as Caserio's contract was illegally written per league rules and there was no evidence. Why do you think the very next year the league re-wrote that part of their by-laws to close that loophole. Even if, and this is a big if, they had a recording of Easterby trying to convince Caserio to come to Houston to be the GM Massachusetts is two party consent state so unless they can show Easterby and Caserio consented to have their conversation recorded they would be in violation of state law.
The one part of your post I agree with, I think it was Watt speaking out that finally broke the camel's back and got OB fired.
Again complete fantasy to match your predetermined narrative. Yes Korn Ferry was hired, and considering that they were the ones that recommended OB I'm not sure why anyone was upset that they were ultimately ignored, but seeing as they didn't have Caserio the list but did have a guy working for ESPN that had absolutely zero experience in anything remotely close to a GM role either they are very bad at their jobs or they were told to ignore Caserio on purpose. This would make sense if Cal told them I know everything I need to know about Caserio just tell me if there is anyone else better so I'm covering my bases. Cal did not "create 2 or 3 committees" he consulted with several long term NFL people and was ultimately told he needed to hire who he thought was best and ignore everyone else.
We have no idea what Watson was or was not told and even if he was told that he would have input he jetted off to Mexico and refused to answer his phone so what Texans were suppose to just wait around for him? I seriously doubt that Cal actually told him he would have input on the GM hire and before you bring up Cal's apology if you've never apologized for something you didn't do then clearly you've never been married. We've already seen how much of a liar and scumbag Watson is so why are you taking the word of someone accused by almost 2 dozen women of sexual assault who is currently being crucified in court because he can't keep his stories straight?
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Something new I am learning is the Kool Aid Brigade's revision and rewriting of Texans history depends on the flavor of Kool Aid that is being served.
Texian
Hall of Fame
You're correct Sir. Much of that crap has been factored in. Take all those bad contracts the Brigade likes to harp on. I agree there were some really bad contracts. And yet the person responsible for negotiating the bad contracts and dysfunction in the home office is still here, he the Executive Vice President of Football Operations, JACK EASTERBY. And what makes people think that Nick Caserio is a genius master negotiator, trader extraordinaire and writer of player contracts, when he has never done it before? Nick's main advisors and sources of information is Jack Easterby and Cal McNair? Cal and Jack fired everyone that had the expertise and were some of the best in the business.
Tltr
However the little bit I tried to read
Could it be that Bob McNair was sick and dying, so he hired Gaine because he knew him and didn't feel well enough to do interviews properly?
I'm just glad that by next yr the cap will be cleared and the Calhoun's will have a boatload of draft picks. This was always going to be a 2 yr cleanup.
How Caserio drafts over the next 3 drafts will decide if he's successful or not.
I have posted this before but I personally believe Easterby was heavily involved in getting Gaine fired.
Gaine was fired on 6/7/2019. If the HR matter was so bad why did Buffalo rehire him 2 months later on 7/23/2019 as senior personnel advisor. A job he still has today.
I'd like to see some other confirmation beyond Watson's camp about the alleged "promise" made to Watson about having a say in the GM and HC hires.
It seems to be a narrative that was swallowed hook, line, and sinker, in January 2021, but the Texans have never commented on it and the only info we got was some BS gossip leaks from towel boy's people.
Now it's morphed into a national perception of "Texans owners did Watson wrong", which is total uncorroborated horse crap considering the sketchy source and obvious untrustworthy nature of Deshaun Watson.
CnD's post that is the intent of this thread makes more sense and is actually more credible than some anonymous Watson sycophant spewing nonsense to a TMZ media.
The Texans brass have made mistakes. I just don't believe that promising Watson anything was one of them.
It seems to be a narrative that was swallowed hook, line, and sinker, in January 2021, but the Texans have never commented on it and the only info we got was some BS gossip leaks from towel boy's people.
Now it's morphed into a national perception of "Texans owners did Watson wrong", which is total uncorroborated horse crap considering the sketchy source and obvious untrustworthy nature of Deshaun Watson.
CnD's post that is the intent of this thread makes more sense and is actually more credible than some anonymous Watson sycophant spewing nonsense to a TMZ media.
The Texans brass have made mistakes. I just don't believe that promising Watson anything was one of them.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Try some Adderall. You would be so much better informed and educated if you could read a 3 sentence paragraph. This probably explains how you lost your way and fell in love with a fast talking salesman.
It was almost a year before Bob died when Bob was still of sound mind and body so I think it had more to do with the Texans needing a GM and Bob McNair had a good relationship with Brian Gaine when he was the Texans Director of Player Personnel.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Believe what you want, I know Gaines was fired for HR reasons and as to why Buffalo hired him he's not the first person to get fired from one place and then hired somewhere else. Hell he's not even the first person to get fired for HR reasons and then hired somewhere else. Some of those people even go on to sign 230 million dollar guaranteed contracts.
Edit: Also I never said the Pats didn't at least threaten a tampering charge I said the Texans could have beat it. Under league rules you can not stop someone from being hired to a higher position. The Pats got around this by keeping personnel job duties very vague so they can say any position isn't a higher position. It was a loop hole but one the Texans most likely could have beat but I'm guessing they figured it wasn't worth it because Caserio only had a year left on his contract and it was a throw away year anyway. That was a mistake IMO and they should have make the Pats prove it but they didn't. You will notice though the next year the NFL closed that loophole and now job duties have to be clearly defined and when Caserio signed his short extension with the Pats he had a clause put in that he could basically leave whenever he wanted to go wherever he wanted and for whatever reason he wanted.
Last edited:
Texian
Hall of Fame
Well if the next 3 years are anything like the last year of decision making, it may be the worst ride ever created in sports..... In Lovie we trust that that wont happen.
- Status