They're 1of 2 teams to get three 1st Rd picks in a trade for a single player. Plus they got more than that.
What were your expectations knowing what they were dealing with?
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What Grade Did Caserio Get on Watson Trade?
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They're 1of 2 teams to get three 1st Rd picks in a trade for a single player. Plus they got more than that.
What were your expectations knowing what they were dealing with?
Why would they think the Calhoun's set him up? What he did he did to himself.
This is going to be another VY situation. Joy, I'm just glad the doorrs on Kirby are closed to him.
I’m fine with what they got.
I’m upset they let Watson dictate the process.
Atlanta just shipped their NTC disgruntled QB to Indy without a circus.
That’s all I’m saying.
Seattle traded their NTC disgruntled QB to Denver without a circus.
That’s all I’m saying.
The Rams QB was surprised as heck to wake up in Detroit.
That’s all I’m saying
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
He was practicing period. Just because you fake an injury doesn't mean you have to put a player on ir. Texans could've played hardball and tell him they're not entertaining any trade until he gets on the field.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Why you still mad? He's gone to another team and you're still mad?
Wow. They paid more for an older player with only two years on his current deal.
Next year they’ll have to bump it into the Watson deal
Texansballer74
The Marine
Most definitely, but they wasn’t dealing with the same type of disgruntlement. Therefore, it was a lot more easier for them when the disgruntled player conducts himself in a professional manner on and off the field.
Texansballer74
The Marine
The way that it all went down. He requested a trade first and then all of the allegations started populating.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I don't believe he was setup, I think he was wreckless, but I believe in due process. Most people, not us melanated people, know we're guilty 1st before proven innocent in the justice system. He's accused of these actions, the justice system didn't believe there was enough evidence. So now what? Both teams got what they wanted. The Texans still has the guy responsible for the contract and trading Hopkins with the team and has influence. That same guy who could be fired by O'Brien has enough power and can only be fired by the owner, not the gm. That is the root of all the dysfunction. If not for the Flores lawsuit, a dude without even high school coaching experience was aabout to be 1 of 32. Picture that.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Dejaview
All Pro
You are wrong about Seattle. Washington reportedly offered them higher picks than Denver but Wilson didn’t have them as one of the three teams that he’d waive his NTC for And Seattle is looking for a QB at what cost? Falcons only got a third rounder for Ryan. Those QB’s clearly dictated their trades through their contracts And NTC’s. Watson only agreed to waive his NTC for Miami. What was going to move DW to be traded? They created a market and forced a trade. They got a great deal for a player with outstanding liabilities. I don’t care if Dick Tated that deal. It was clever.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Let's consider another parameter:
Russell Wilson has about 100 games left in career.
DeShaun Watson has about 200 games left in his career.
Matt Ryan has about 34 games left in his career.
I dont believe this happened at all. If Calhoun had gotten caught doing this he would've been forced by the other owners to sell the team. Derrick has nobody to blame but Derrick that this happened. It really doesn't surprise me that he came out smelling like a rose in this situation. With that said, I hope those women get his signing bonus and karma would be if his career tanked in the mistake by the lake.
Hey Derrick enjoy those winters in Cleveland, a place where the rivers catch on fire.
We know 6 teams were ready to give up three 1st round picks.
We know at least one team was willing to give him $230M fully guaranteed.
None of that bull crap we're focused on was an issue with other teams. Not so much that we had to put on this circus instead of trading him the way NFL teams trade disgruntled QBs with NTCs
I'm not mad, I'm just looking forward to seeing how much the owners are pizzed and if God'ell lays down the hammer. Or if God'ell is a hypocrite. I'm expecting the latter.
I'm also looking forward to the next rd of CBA negotiations. That should be very entertaining.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Is it surprising that the one franchise known to be the place “where QBs go to die” is the one that was most desperate and signed Watson to the unbelievable contract?
No. Not to me.
No. Not to me.
That circus was lead by David Mulaghetta. Why are you mad? Caserio got a fair deal and that's all that really matters.
When Derrick/Mulaghetta are involved there's always going to be a circus. Look at Mulaghetta's history.
You didn't see Wilson going to meet teams & teams coming to meet Wilson & being in the news for days.
Didn't hear anything about Ryan until it was done. Didn't hear anything about Wilson until it was done.
Wilson didn't get an opportunity to renegotiate his contract. Matt Ryan didn't either, though both may have agreements with their new teams to renegotiate their contracts.
I agree... Watson has some say in where he's going. But he told the Texans what he was going to do a whole lot more than any other team has been told by a player they were trading what they were going to do.
But... I get it. This is the way it is in Houston. We can't even see the problems with this franchise, because it's better than what we had.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Is that all? Wow - and we have some in here griping about 3 firsts and a 3rd! for Watson...
Texansballer74
The Marine
I’m talking about the character of each player. The situation was totally different is what I’m saying. I know how things works when it comes to a person having top notch talent and how they’re treated. I remember in high school, when you were the main man/ superstar. You got special privileges.
The way they allowed this trade to go down is another example, by another regime that proves exactly what you're saying. They're not ready for the big league.
They continue to be dictated to by players, by other teams, by everybody & anybody who wants from the Texans... except the fans.
Watson got more privilege than Wilson.
What are you saying, that despite Watson's character flaws, he commands more privilege?
Wilson was not allowed to renegotiate his contract. A contract 3 years older than Watsons.
The Texans got punk'd. They allowed Watson to put them on a collar & parade his littlebch around the whole country.
I'm sure I dunno what happened but hey what about this: maybe the McNairs just said get it done Nick, it's a new league year, put it all behind us, we are sick and tired of this whole situation, all of the BS.
Hey you know who Mike Florio is right ? So FWIW I just watched him and Chris Simms on Peacock praise Caserio for the job he did handling this whole mess, and that stunned me because I've never heard Florio make anything besides disparaging remarks about the Houston Texans organization so I figured he was sincere but maybe Florio was complimentary only because he was talking about a goombah.
What do the fans want?
That may be. & that's why Clowney was shipped out for a 3rd. That's why Hopkins was traded for David Johnson. This is the same crap.
I get it. I don't understand why "everybody" else is giving the Texans a pass on this. Maybe I'm missing something.
Something we've never got & doesn't look like we'll get it anytime soon
Which is what?
Quit talking in generalities and come out and say what's bothering you.
Was it the trade package? (I think it was a fair trade package) What did fans like yourself expect.
Was it that Derrick was traded and got his way? That falls directly on Calhoun for giving him the NTC and has nothing to do with Caserio. Are you just beginning to realize how bad of owners the McNair's really are? That should've been obvious yrs ago. Is it you're getting the feeling that the Calhoun's wont ever win a championship with the McNair's as owners? I will leave you with this bit of hope, if Georgia Frontierre can win a championship any owner can get lucky.
Dejaview
All Pro
Im a fan and I’m happy as hell. Beats a message board meltdown. I live in Dallas Cowboy country ( ie. Outside of Harris County) and you should come live around their fans. Might change your perspective. But I do realize there is nothing more important in the world now.
Texansballer74
The Marine
That’s what it looks like. 9 criminal cases, 22 civil cases, quit on his former team, and allowed his team to throw his former team underneath the bus. And look how he was rewarded. The NFL didn’t attempt to stop that foolery. So yes sir he’s more privileged than an upstanding model citizen like Russell Wilson.
Wilson camp wasn’t trying to pull a fast one on the NFL.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Aw, c'mon tk - live a little bit - don't be afraid to hope again! We have a half decent GM again, a green yet promising QB, and 6 first round picks over the next three drafts!
Russell Wilson had a NTC, didn't renegotiate his contract. Pete Carroll or whoever up in Seattle gave him options. The Texans got led through a ring in the nose.
That's all I've been hanging my hope on for a while now.
Dejaview
All Pro
Texans got excellent trade value while wading through probably the most complex issues with a player facing a suspension and other self imposed issues than imaginable. This guy didn’t come with instructions and very obviously 28 other teams didn’t want to pay the price the Texans wanted either. yet nobody is willing to say exactly what we should have received because they don’t know either.
I'm really not feeling this. Not anymore. I'm off the Caserio train.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The Falcons have signed Mariota to a 2 year deal.
Dejaview
All Pro
Already reported that Seattle didn’t want Wilson to walk away at the end of his contract with them only getting a comp pick. Sounds like he was the one giving options.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Let's do the math on that - it's quite an eye opener...
Matt Ryan probably has 2 years left, let's say Watson has 12 (which would put him about 38yo) that would make his tenure 6 times longer than what Ryan has left.
Colts gave up their 3rd which is worth 225 on a grade chart, now multiply that by 6 and you get 1350, which equates to #9 on the same value chart. A far cry from the value we got for Watson.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Why is the dude responsible for the hopkins trade,JJ departure,Watson ntc,Eric Murray, Whitney contract still has power in the organization? The same guy who could be fired by O'Brien but not by the GM. Not only that, they almost hired a guy with 0 coaching experience as head coach. If that guy would've been fired when his buddy was fired, he wouldn't have wanted out and the team would've stuck it out. Until the team get that dude out of here, its going to be uphill.
LMAO!!
I'm glad you've found your way back to the Texans funny page. But, you might want to do yourself, and the forum, a great service by reading the thoughts that came before you, as much of your diatribe has been eloquently addressed by several members.
Watson had all the leverage unless the Texans wanted to do something really idiotic by playing games. Instead, they took the draft capital and rid themselves of a cancer.
Wilson was not letting them negotiate with 31 other franchises. He played his own diva cards and gave them three options.
Russell Wilson Would Waive No-Trade Clause for Three Teams
Ultimately, he was willing to waive his NTC for one team: the Denver Broncos.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
This has a lot to do with Watson’s agent and a problem growing in the NFL. Watson’s agent did this with Ramsey.
As long as teams are will to sign these players that demand trades to preferred destinations or releases (OBJ) the problem will continue.
The only littlebch I see are the Browns who were more than willing to bend over for Watson. And not say FU - prove your worth.
Charlotte did it. Atlanta expressed reservations.
Watson and his agent were just leveraging those teams against each other. Watson even went to the length of pulling on the heartstrings of the Falcons.
Texans could have leveraged a little more. Gotten a second round draft pick. That doesn’t make them a littlebtch.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
As I said previously- it has more to do with the agent.
Good job on Mulgeheta or whatever his name is.
That's the way I've been saying it should be done. The NTC is there, can't get around it. Give Watson a list of seven teams, tell him to scratch off the teams he won't play for. If there's only one team left, write another list.
Don't put him in the driver's seat. They never should have allowed him to renegotiate his contract.
Russell didn't go to New York, Denver, & New Orleans. He didn't have teams coming to him trying to win his approval.
Seattle had enough control to negotiate a deal favorable to them.
Dejaview
All Pro
corrected. That’s all that would have given the Texans their minimum Trade request. 27 other teams would be wasting their time. the nfl didn’t shake down the Texans. They shook down the nfl to pocket change Then likely got the best offer from what was left. There wasn’t much left to give for a QB that may not see the field until 2023.
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Update On Deshaun Watson Trade Compensation
Add another draft pick to the compensation that the Texans received for quarterback Deshaun Watson. According to ESPN's Adam Schefter …
www.profootballrumors.com
he full compensation is below, per Schefter:
Browns receive
- QB Deshaun Watson
- Selection choice — Round 6, 2024
- Selection choice — Round 1, 2022 (No. 13)
- Selection choice — Round 4, 2022 (No. 107)
- Selection choice — Round 1, 2023
- Selection choice — Round 3, 2023
- Selection choice — Round 1, 2024
- Selection choice — Round 4, 2024
Tell me what aren't you feeling?
Did Caserio not get fair compensation?
Wilson gave them 3 teams to deal with and picked the Broncos. For me it's about compensation and I dont care about the optics. Caserio got alot more for a Sexual Predator playing the game the way he did than I thought he would. Why does it matter to you that Haslam gave Derrick a new deal? I'm just happy a fair deal was done so we can move on from the POS that is Derrick Watson.
Max
Veteran
Which teams will you waive your ntc for? Get a list, talk with those teams about what your minimum deal is, if they meet the threshold, let them talk to DW and let the bidding begin. Yeah, but DW has the ntc and can change his mind any time in the negotiations. That's why you lay down the law with him in the beginning. You put us in this jam and we're going to work w/ your ntc but we're going to work w/ it by letting you naming the teams that your open to...we're not going to let you go Lebron mode cuz we aren't on the best of terms dude. It's a game of chicken because there is downside to the Texans if DW won't play along. But we had him over a barrel. Dude just went from thinking that he might not ever play again to having new life. He would've jumped all over naming 3 teams he'd waive the NTC for. Even if he wouldn't, start down that road and see how far you can get. But we didn't play hardball. Watson turned this into the NBA because we let him. I'm not griping -- it's better than I thought they'd get for him. But it should weigh in on how people grade out our GM. He was soft on this deal and I'm guessing that that came from the top down.
I guess we just disagree about the so-called "driver's seat".
Nick was in control by forcing teams to meet his trade requirements before they could even talk to Watson's agent.
Watson could name his teams but the the list would have been pointless if they were unwilling / unable to pony up.
By Caserio's own words, there were many more teams interested but they could not even get a foot in the door. That is controlling the situation within the parameters.
Watson was very limited by the teams that were willing to meet Caserio's requirements. Three of those teams are not loaded with talent. One was and enticed him out of his closet with a historic deal. He had already used his NTC to tell them he's not going there. They upped it to the point where it revealed the only thing that really matters to Watson: money.
Watson ended up on the Cleveland freakin' Browns and you actually think he was driving anything? C'mon, man, he's a freakin' Brown now!!! LMAO!!!
It's like karma just had to be involved and he got shipped off to Cleveland. That's just an extra bonus for me as a Texans fan. It's just a matter of time before he whines and pouts his way out of there.
Dejaview
All Pro
Whaaaaaat? Are you saying we woke up today and have another fourth round pick and gave up a sixth, not a fifth we didn’t know about? Is this real?Update On Deshaun Watson Trade Compensation
Add another draft pick to the compensation that the Texans received for quarterback Deshaun Watson. According to ESPN's Adam Schefter …
he full compensation is below, per Schefter:
Browns receive
Texans receive
- QB Deshaun Watson
- Selection choice — Round 6, 2024
- Selection choice — Round 1, 2022 (No. 13)
- Selection choice — Round 4, 2022 (No. 107)
- Selection choice — Round 1, 2023
- Selection choice — Round 3, 2023
- Selection choice — Round 1, 2024
- Selection choice — Round 4, 2024
banned1976
sleeper mode
I don't think the additional 4th round pick this year will move the needle for those firmly in the belief the Texans got hosed but I like it.Update On Deshaun Watson Trade Compensation
Add another draft pick to the compensation that the Texans received for quarterback Deshaun Watson. According to ESPN's Adam Schefter …
he full compensation is below, per Schefter:
Browns receive
Texans receive
- QB Deshaun Watson
- Selection choice — Round 6, 2024
- Selection choice — Round 1, 2022 (No. 13)
- Selection choice — Round 4, 2022 (No. 107)
- Selection choice — Round 1, 2023
- Selection choice — Round 3, 2023
- Selection choice — Round 1, 2024
- Selection choice — Round 4, 2024