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DW4 Traded to Cleveland

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Mr teX said:
Guys don't think like that on that level until they're near the end & are trying to complete their careers.
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Sure players think like that. People may not want their players to think like that but they human. Not these mythical hero like competitors.

And these aren’t tough minded athletes either. These are a softer bunch.

We are talking about a guy who borrowed a massage table from the team he was playing for that was getting a massage weekly from multiple different Instagram massage therapists instead of seeking team muscle therapist experts.

Let’s not put him on any pedestal. His career almost ended this past Friday due to his “alleged” actions.
 
None of them have apparent qbs of the future & whomever of the 3 vying for him in that division lands him should run that division for at a minimum the next 5 years..10 if they build around him right & he has no significant injuries.. ............ once Brady finally retires that is.
 
Texian said:
The way I see this playing out is Caserio will take the approved offers and lay them out on the Kirby Boardroom table. Lovie will decide what will be the best option for his roster. For example, Lovie picks Carolina because Evan Neal at #3 and Jordan Davis at #6 will best improve the team. Cal then rubber stamps his approval.

John Ellis on Twitter: "I’ve said this for several days: if Watson approves Carolina, I truly believe they find a way to walk out of Houston with their brand new quarterback. They have pursued him longer than any team, and they offer him whatever it takes, if seems. If not, OK. It’ll be allrght." / Twitter
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Whatever is best for the Texans future. The coach and GM at this point ride and die together. It doesn’t matter who gets the credit.
 
Porky said:
Yep I just checked thanks. So, I'm out on Matt Ryan.

This looks like a 3 team NFC South fight to the death. Being in the same division, each has incentive to not only try to get DW4 to help their team, but they also can hurt their two counterparts at the same time.

This is popcorn time guys. This is as good as it gets for intrigue in an offseason.
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Maybe a three team trade is brewing between Houston, Atlanta and Carolina or Browns.

Sending Watson to the Falcons.
Ryan’s to Carolina ( or Browns)
Houston gets those team first picks ( total 3 first rounders) and at least two top level players.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Maybe a three team trade is brewing between Houston, Atlanta and Carolina or Browns.

Sending Watson to the Falcons.
Ryan’s to Carolina ( or Browns)
Houston gets those team first picks ( total 3 first rounders) and at least two top level players.
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I think its Watson or bust for Carolina and Ryan is no better than Mayfield for Browns. No, whatever team gets Watson I think they are going to have to pay the full price by themselves. The recent haul Seattle got for Wilson only helps us as he also had a NTC and everyone knew he was in a battle with Carroll and wouldn't play again so Seattle was looking to move him quickly. Even after all that, which are the reasons people say we won't get much for Watson, Seattle still got a king's ransom.
 
Mr teX said:
Not feasible..he just restructured to get ATL under the cap......& his Cap hit is still 37 million....with an enormous pile of dead money after this year too. He's well on the backside of his career & 21 TD's with 10 ints aint gonna get it done.
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Don’t know….Falcons get DW and trade Ryan to the Colts who have an over 62 million cap…
 
banned1976 said:
I don't know. I'm just not easily disgusted, I guess. And I'm sure there are much more villainous things going on behind the scenes with these owners than a guy refusing to honor his contract. We all know how the McNair's made their fortune.
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Fair enough.

Texans fans with this perspective, however, need to just accept that future superstar players on the Texans could potentially follow his precedent since the owners are apparently too wimpy and spineless to play hard ball. Detroit Lions south territory it is.

Texian said:
This can of worms mess lies directly at the feet of Cal McNair.
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Partially, but ultimately the McNairs are really just guilty of being stupid and trusting the wrong people. They trusted their HC/GM to make a deal favorable to the franchise and trusted a player to actually be honorable instead of a duplicitous POS human being.

I can relate in business. I've trusted people that eventually stabbed me in the back. But hopefully, like me, the McNairs will learn that trust is a commodity to be earned instead of given away gratuitously to people that never deserved it to begin with.

Carr Bombed said:
Yep, blame everyone in the room instead of the man child who created this mess.
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Bingo. The truth is Watson is a low character individual, and like a zebra that can't change his stripes, Watson should be perceived as just another rich entertainer that lacks moral clarity and is ultimately as worthless off the field as his character has clearly revealed. He can put up as much of a front with charity events as he wants, but we know the truth.
 
Porky said:
Major issue is now you've dissed Matt Ryan. There's no way they can co-exist on the same team. So, they either have to execute a trade to another team such as Philly perhaps?
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Falcons would have to take an additional 2022 cap hit of $16 million if Ryan was traded prior to June 1st. Any trade would have to come after June 1st, where the cap savings would be $8.75 million.

I don't see a lot of guys on the Falcon's roster where a restructure would open up big $$$. Looks like they were not preparing to enter the Watson sweepstakes. Not impossible to trade for Watson, but not painless either.
 
Thinking out loud: Watson could tell Carolina he wants Tunsil as part of the deal to protect his blind side. Carolina can easily pay for it by cutting/trading Darnold. My question is how far into the future can a team trade away it's 1st RD draft picks? If it's 4 years or more they could do it. That would be 2022,2023,2024,2025 Panthers 1st RD picks.
 
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Porky said:
So, they either have to execute a trade to another team such as Philly perhaps?
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Would the teams that missed on Watson be interested in Ryan? I doubt Atlanta will send him to New Orleans or Carolina, but Browns, Jets, Philly
 
Porky said:
I believe this one and not Jordan Schultz whomever that is. 49ers spent a small fortune for Trey Lance. There's no way they are in on the DW4 sweepstakes. Makes zero rational sense to me.
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The Niners don't have a 1st round pick in 2022 or 2023. Lance would have to be the major piece in the deal, and there's no evidence the Texans are or were ever high on Lance.
 
Texian said:
Thinking out loud: Watson could tell Carolina he wants Tunsil as part of the deal to protect his blind side. Carolina can easily pay for it by cutting/trading Darnold. My question is how far into the future can a team trade away it's 1st RD draft picks? If it's 4 or more they could do it. That would be 2022,2023,2024,2025 Panthers 1st RD picks.
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Under current NFL rules up to 3 years.
 
Lucky said:
Falcons would have to take an additional 2022 cap hit of $16 million if Ryan was traded prior to June 1st. Any trade would have to come after June 1st, where the cap savings would be $8.75 million.

I don't see a lot of guys on the Falcon's roster where a restructure would open up big $$$. Looks like they were not preparing to enter the Watson sweepstakes. Not impossible to trade for Watson, but not painless either.
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A wonder if AFC South teams Saints and Falcons are only in it to raise Carolina's bid to drain the team and their future capital?
 
The Pencil Neck said:
How is there a contract if you're not trading a player, but rather, trading picks? Ditka said he'd give his whole draft for Williams, and he did.
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NFLSubscribe:
Revisiting Saints trading entire draft for Ricky Williams and the deals that almost happened
By Peter KingApr 15, 2019, 1:51 PM EDT


Two decades ago Wednesday, the New Orleans Saints made one of the craziest trades in NFL history. They traded all six 1999 draft choices and their first-round and third-round picks in 2000—eight draft choices in all—to Washington to move up seven spots in the first round of the ’99 draft to pick Texas running back Ricky Williams.

“Twenty years ago—that’s crazy,” the Washington coach at the time, Norv Turner, said Friday. As was the deal. At the time, so much about it was revolutionary. The noted draft-value trade chart, invented by the Cowboys a few years earlier, had the Saints trading away 4,441 points of draft value in exchange for 1,700 points—the value of the fifth overall pick. “When the coaches were told about it that day,” Turner said, “we looked at each other and said, ‘This isn’t real. You gotta do that.’ “ And GM Charley Casserly, negotiating with Saints GM Billy Kuharich, agreed to it eagerly.
 
Texian said:
Thinking out loud: Watson could tell Carolina he wants Tunsil as part of the deal to protect his blind side. Carolina can easily pay for it by cutting/trading Darnold.
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Darnold's 2022 salary is guaranteed. No cap relief from cutting him. Good luck finding someone to trade for that $19 million contract. It would have to be an Osweiler trade, where the team that takes on Darnold's contract would get a nice draft pick in return.
 
Lucky said:
Darnold's 2022 salary is guaranteed. No cap relief from cutting him. Good luck finding someone to trade for that $19 million contract. It would have to be an Osweiler trade, where the team that takes on Darnold's contract would get a nice draft pick in return.
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In the BIG scheme of things, that would work.
 
Texian said:
In the BIG scheme of things, that would work.
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Would it? Trading the house for Watson, trading a top pick to dump Darnold, and then finding something valuable enough to get Tunsil? A touch too much for the Panthers.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
NFLSubscribe:
Revisiting Saints trading entire draft for Ricky Williams and the deals that almost happened
By Peter KingApr 15, 2019, 1:51 PM EDT


Two decades ago Wednesday, the New Orleans Saints made one of the craziest trades in NFL history. They traded all six 1999 draft choices and their first-round and third-round picks in 2000—eight draft choices in all—to Washington to move up seven spots in the first round of the ’99 draft to pick Texas running back Ricky Williams.

“Twenty years ago—that’s crazy,” the Washington coach at the time, Norv Turner, said Friday. As was the deal. At the time, so much about it was revolutionary. The noted draft-value trade chart, invented by the Cowboys a few years earlier, had the Saints trading away 4,441 points of draft value in exchange for 1,700 points—the value of the fifth overall pick. “When the coaches were told about it that day,” Turner said, “we looked at each other and said, ‘This isn’t real. You gotta do that.’ “ And GM Charley Casserly, negotiating with Saints GM Billy Kuharich, agreed to it eagerly.
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I'm not sure I'm getting your point.

Ditka said "I'd trade my whole draft for Ricky Williams."
Ricky Williams trade - Wikipedia

He said this before any negotiations were done at the owner's meeting on the lead up to the draft.

Kuharich went out and made the deal and ended up trading a whole draft and part of the next.

But the idea and the motivation for it came from Ditka.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I'm not sure I'm getting your point.

Ditka said "I'd trade my whole draft for Ricky Williams."
Ricky Williams trade - Wikipedia

He said this before any negotiations were done at the owner's meeting on the lead up to the draft.

Kuharich went out and made the deal and ended up trading a whole draft and part of the next.

But the idea and the motivation for it came from Ditka.
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I hope folks understand that I made my post in jest. That was just the craziest trade I’ve ever seen.
 
Texian said:
A wonder if AFC South teams Saints and Falcons are only in it to raise Carolina's bid to drain the team and their future capital?
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I doubt Caserio gets the 5 pieces he wants. So I doubt they'll be raising the price. Probably just trying not to fall further behind.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I'm not sure I'm getting your point.

Ditka said "I'd trade my whole draft for Ricky Williams."
Ricky Williams trade - Wikipedia

He said this before any negotiations were done at the owner's meeting on the lead up to the draft.

Kuharich went out and made the deal and ended up trading a whole draft and part of the next.

But the idea and the motivation for it came from Ditka.
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No argument there. But a coach's desire and goal in a desired trade like that still needs to be negotiated via a GM. In the end, from beginning to end, this was a miserable failure for all people/things Saints.
 
thunderkyss said:
I doubt Caserio gets the 5 pieces he wants. So I doubt they'll be raising the price. Probably just trying not to fall further behind.
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I share your doubt.

But I am pleasantly surprised we are at this juncture. I had thought we would get nothing. Now it looks like multiple (meaning more than 1) 1st round picks are a possibility.

I can’t believe all the rumors - but getting 2 firsts is a break even for me. Getting more than that such as players and other picks is ROA. If we get an extra 1st rounder, a second/third, and then player(s) that are better than David Johnson it will be a success.

I sit and wait and watch.
 
Lucky said:
I didn't think it was a bad trade at the time. Ricky was the best college RB I'd ever seen. Still is. I expected multiple 2000 yard seasons. He just never loved professional football as he loved playing at UT.
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I wonder how Ricky would have done if he hadn’t been punished for smoking marijuana? Maybe that did help him with his mental health. It has been suggested as much in recent studies and application.

It helps players now that the NFL has relaxed is drug testing policies.
 
Double Barrel said:
Fair enough.

Texans fans with this perspective, however, need to just accept that future superstar players on the Texans could potentially follow his precedent since the owners are apparently too wimpy and spineless to play hard ball. Detroit Lions south territory it is.
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Yep. They should have forced him to play last year or fined him. That they didn't, and he still got paid copious amounts of money, irked me to no end. I suppose there's a valid reason why they didn't take that position, but it still bothers me.
 
Lucky said:
I didn't think it was a bad trade at the time. Ricky was the best college RB I'd ever seen. Still is. I expected multiple 2000 yard seasons. He just never loved professional football as he loved playing at UT.
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Yeah. i think his art just mellowed him out. Jerry Jeff Walker once said that writing Mr. Bojangles bought him a house on Lake Travis and I’ve always thought RW’s signing bonus probably did the same.
 
TexansBull said:
I wonder how Ricky would have done if he hadn’t been punished for smoking marijuana? Maybe that did help him with his mental health. It has been suggested as much in recent studies and application.

It helps players now that the NFL has relaxed is drug testing policies.
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Agreed.
I remember UH played UT in Houston 1 year when when i was working for ESPN..& Ricky came out on the sideline as a newly minted NFL star...biggest calf muscles on a human i've ever seen. I remember thinking, i would want no parts of this dude breaking open into the secondary for me to tackle as a guy who played safety.

Then i also get a good laugh every time i think of Ricky Williams b/c I think of this dude i played high school ball & ran track with that went to A&M...Yeah, he's forever posterized on that record breaking TD run Ricky had against A&M.
 
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