That's my point. In neither case is the GM or the HC the 1 person in charge. It's supposed to be a collaborative effort. Correct me if I'm wrong. But I have the impression that you want Caserio to be the one person in charge of hiring the HCs, assistant coaches, personnel and the game day roster decisions.
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Nick Caserio - New GM
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I did not say Janice called the NFL. What I did say is it is not out of the realm of possibility that a trusted concerned person associated with the NFL reached out to Janice to offer her assistance and advice. This is not as bizarre as you may think. If you can remember, it was Bob Kraft who reached out to Bob McNair with advice and a recommendation to hire Bill O'Brien.
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I want 1 person in charge so that what has happened for the last 2 decades doesn't keep happening for another 2 decades. Who's making the final calls really doesn't matter to me.
The fact that Calhoun hired Caserio and told everybody he would be over football opps but that obviously isn't the case tells me all I need to know. This really has nothing to do with Caserio.
It has to do with the fact that nothing has changed down on Kirby and that Calhoun is a liar. I cant stand being lied too.
Yep, the NFL keeps reaching out to them and the Calhoun's keep getting screwed over. This is just another example of nothing has changed down on Kirby.
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I tend to agree, IMO I think Lovie was able to trim Easterby's wings as much as he was able to trim Caserio's. My guess is Lovie insisted on it being a package deal. An offer Cal could not refuse.
Texansballer74
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The owner has taking a backseat with O’Brien and Caserio’s first year. Now that he has stepped in to make a decision the GM clearly was struggling with. Now we’re complaining about him not letting his GM do his job.
When is it going to end lol
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Was the GM struggling or was the GM not allowed to hire who he wanted to hire because of the Flores BS?
To answer your question, not until they become contenders. Or McNair's sell the team. Whichever one comes 1st. In other words, it's going to be a long time.
So you’re saying Kraft never bucked Belichick?
I don’t think it’s as obvious as you think
Texansballer74
The Marine
They already have legal stuff going on. Why would Cal or any other franchise want to bring in a HC that’s dealing with legal stuff. Especially one that’s suing several teams as well as the NFL. That would not be a smart business decision and you know it. And the GM was struggling with who to hire. Dude interviewed several coaches twice and stil couldn’t decide. Why , because he wanted full control. Meaning game day on the field decision. IMO
Back to my point. Besides the Patriots, name another team that won the Super Bowl recently with 1 person in charge. You're acting like this "1 person in charge" structure is the only way to win in the NFL.
I don't understand this need for a 1 person in charge or King of NRG structure. What's wrong with:
- Lovie knows better than anyone the type of players who fits his defense. He communicates that skillset to Caserio
- Caserio drafts those players that fits the systems his HC/DC and OC are running or BPA
- Lovie hires his own coaching staff. We don't need a HC in waiting or all the dysfunction, politics and backstabbing that occurs with someone Lovie didn't hire or approve.
- Lovie decides when and if those players will start and he handles the game day roster
- Lovie does not dictate signing players, he might state his case for a particular player, but Caserio makes the final/personnel decisions
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Who makes the final calls on personnel?
Rams- McVay
Bengals- Tobin, although Mike Brown holds the purse strings rather tight.
You mistook my post.
I didn't think Flores should've been hired. I think the Flores situation lead to Calhoun hiring Lovie instead of Gannon.
Reid runs the show in Kansas City
Payton did in N.O.
Vegas- Gruden did
Denver - Elway did for yrs
Beane makes the final calls in Buffalo
Robinson makes the final calls in Tackville
Lil Shanny - 49ers
Gushuentiet- in Lambeau
Jerrah makes the final calls
Roseman in Philly
Snyder in Washington, well now his wife does by proxy.
Etc....
The Calhouns?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Gannon I believe turnt the job done because they wanted him to hire the cat as his OC. And they didn’t want to keep Lovie as the DC. Which is understandable because Gannon is a defensive coach.
They couldn't come to an agreement because Calhoun insisted that Lovie remain the D.C. Can you spell Dysfunction? Calhoun's a liar.
It's obvious that Calhoun's a liar.
Not until Jimmy G.
That’s not what we were told. Well, we were never told Caserio was OK with replacing Lovie as DC or that Cal insisted Lovie stays as DC.
We also were not told Cal forced Nick to choose Lovie.
We were told Nick wanted to hire Gannon but Gannon wanted to bring in his own DC. He may have spent the next week trying to change Gannon’s mind. After Gannon refused, Nick moved on.
This thing about Cal strong arming Caserio is heavy speculation on your part.
Might be true. But as of yet, it’s not what we were told.
You will never be told.
But dont you think this came up in Gannon's 1st interview and if it did that Gannon wouldn't have gotten a 2nd interview, because that would've been a dealbreaker? Very logical IMHO
Of course it came up in the 1st interview. But after the other jobs were being filled, made sense to ask him again.
& it might not have been just that he wanted to bring his own DC. Maybe Nick didn’t like Gannon’s first choice, or his 2nd.
We know what it’s like when guys bring in their friends, & have to suffer a Frank Bush, Richard Smith, George Godsey, or Tim Kelly. Mike Devlin.
I know Lovie knows. He’s probably thrilled Nick brought Pep in last season
If the question was asked and answered that he wanted to bring in his coaches then he wouldn't have been brought back for a 2nd interview. Do you think Gannon mislead on his 1st interview?
This post didn't age well nothing has changed down on Kirby.
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This is one thing you and DeShaun Watson have in common, you both think Cal is a liar.
Not true.
We were told by the same guy, Caserio was trying to land Gannon as his HC & O'Connell as his OC.
It's plausible that Nick also had suggestions other than Lovie for his DC, & the 2nd interview was the meeting they discussed the staff.
TexansBull
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I don't think this, I know this.
Which scenarios do you think is more likely?
Fact is you're trying to come up with something/anything to make it seem like Calhoun didn't tell Caserio who he had to hire.
Cal is a liar, nothing more or less.
Fact is I'm saying we don't know.
Totally out of left field that GameBoy has an idea who should be our next HC without consulting KornFerry or some imaginary counsel with Jimmy Johnson.
You can say that the Calhoun's are trying to trade for Rodgers. Which is more likely, are they or aren't they? Fact is, we don't know.
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I can see you have come to grips that Caserio has in fact been neutered and you're not taking it well.
I was hoping for change and it didn't happen. We as a fanbase were lied too. I dont take being lied to well. Particularly when Calhoun pulls this crap 2 days AFTER the season ticket renewal deadline. Which is why I waited until the last minute to renew. I got taken, I'm a sucker and you're right I'm not taking that to well.
What I'm going to do is discuss this with my wife and if she's on board I'm thinking of taking the loss and moving on.
Now I have to adjust my expectations for the team, but they get no more money from me. That is all. This is coming from a PSL, 4/ season ticketholder since 2003.
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No franchise runs like a true dictatorship, not even the Pats. I don't even know why someone would want this type of structure? It would be a horrible environment to work under.
dream_team
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We weren't lied to. You were just wrong.
Really? Tell me where the following statement is wrong?
Calhoun told everybody that would listen that Caserio was in charge of football opps. Do you think Lovie was Caserio's pick as HC?
Being responsible for and having people carry out your vision of what a company should look like is hardly a dictatorship. It's called being a leader.
Yep. I never really had a problem with Culley and honestly don't really care who was on his headset. It's interesting, but nothing I feel strongly about. Sort of a meh subject in the end.
That said, I do like what we are hearing from our new head coach. I'm on Team Lovie.
Yep. I never really had a problem with Culley and honestly don't really care who was on his headset. It's interesting, but nothing I feel strongly about. Sort of a meh subject in the end.
That said, I do like what we are hearing from our new head coach. I'm on Team Lovie.
For the record, I like Lovie.
I just dont like the fact that Calhoun lied.
That's what I'm saying.
It's only a lie because you've told yourself it is a lie. We don't know the details of what actually happened & details matter.
You can sell those season tickets/PSL anytime you want.
I honestly don't think Caserio hired the guy he wanted when he fired Culley. Like you've been saying all along, Culley was a placeholder. But the plan wasn't to fire him after one year. I think Flores being available moved Caserio's plan up. He wanted Flores (we'll find out when they get to that part of the Flores lawsuit).
Gannon was the best of a worst situation. Gannon didn't want to play Caserio's game, Caserio moved on. Option A: Flores... Option B: Gannon... Option C: Lovie. I think it's totally plausible that Cal liked option C once Option A fell apart. But I don't think he overrulled Caserio.
leebigeztx
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Cal was fraud when he hired Caserio because Jack had that key in his back. I told you that a million times,but you was on your rift about Jack taking out the trash. Remember the committee that never was and Korn Ferry? Don't make decisions while in an emotional state. Ride with it until the wheels fall off.
texanprincess
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There is a very good chance that Flores would've been hired as the Texans HC today right up until the point he filed the lawsuit against the NFL. Flores was the reason Culley was dismissed. Missing in your analysis is the Josh McCown option which was also derailed by the Flores lawsuit. After a month long run of the Keystone Cops on Kirby, Janice told Cal it was time to put an end to this dysfunction junction. They had already been through it in 2021 and she was not about to go through it again in 2022.
Janice instructed Cal that it was now time to pull the rug out from underneath Nick and Jack. So, on a Sunday after church the plan to hire Lovie was put in place and by Sunday night all of the details had been worked out and word began to leak the Texans had a new HC. Lovie agreed to be HC as long as he had complete, full control and say for the Houston Texans. It was an offer the McNair's could not refuse. Anything to put the past year of inept incompetence behind them.
I have no idea how you know this. However, if this sequence of events is accurate. How did Easterby and Caserio react to getting the rug pull out from underneath them and hearing Lovie had complete control?
Caserio would have left if that was the case & Easterby probably fired
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Both are still smiling every time they look at their paychecks. Nick still has a guaranteed $25MM contract that will pay him $5MM a year for 5 more years. Nick still retains his title of GM. Caserio knew he was in over his head is probably much more comfortable doing now what he was doing in New England (setting the FA and draft dinner tables) sans headphones. Easterby is back to providing personal and spiritual advice to players who seek his guidance. I don't know Easterby's salary I can only imagine it's at least a couple of million a year and would rival Joel Osteen. Lovie is now the Culture commander in chief. Nick and Jack both know that they are not going to make the kind of money anywhere else that they are making in Houston. Their contracts will pay them enough so they will never have to work again. So, all is good.
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So you think Caserio would have left leaving $25MM on the table with poor prospects of finding another GM job after his 1-year disastrous performance in Houston? I think not. I think Nick is happy to be back being the table setter he was in New England. The only difference is he is now making a beaucoup amount of money. Easterby is still in the good graces of the McNairs. Jack is still available for life and spiritual advice and guidance.
It's guaranteed.
Those New England guys can always go back... it's like home. He & Eliot Wolfe could share stories about what almost was.
If Lovie has taken over like you said, it doesn't matter what good graces Jack is in. He'd be gone. I can't imagine anyone with the leverage you're pretending not demand Easterby to be gone as well.