Pro Bowl LT's dont grow on trees.
If Caserio needs the cap space to upgrade the team, or he gets an offer that cant refuse then I'm on board with trading Tunsil. So far this hasn't happened, or isn't needed.
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What is Laremy Tunsil's worth in a trade?
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Pro Bowl LT's dont grow on trees.
If Caserio needs the cap space to upgrade the team, or he gets an offer that cant refuse then I'm on board with trading Tunsil. So far this hasn't happened, or isn't needed.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
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Tunsil is not a Texans cultural fit. Tunsil like DW4 does not want to be here. Tunsil could've returned from his injury and played. He refused and in the process angered many in the locker room. Tunsil will be traded before the draft for a 2nd and a later RD pick...imho
I heard that mgmt held him out.
Could be they wanted him healthy so Caserio could trade him before the deadline.
We will see
What makes you say that? Reports were that the team held him out.
I do believe he'll be traded, but I don't think he's trying to force his way out.
michaelm
vox nihili
Because it doesn't fit the trade anything BOB did narrative of the bean counters .
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I heard Management offered him incentives to practice and he refused.... say goodbye Laremy.
If this is the case,
Caserio needs to get his azz out of Kirby and don't let the door hit him in the azz on the way out.
Link?
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vtech9
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good link
Who is link, and when did he go missing ? Wait a minute .... is this code for a Saskatchewan .... no, wait, that's not it !
ArmyBengal
Retired Army Medical NCO
I've been a fan of the Bengals since forever and have a pretty good bead on the team living here in Cincinnati, attending games and following the team. I understand why you might guess otherwise.
However, the Bengals did in fact take Jonah Williams, LT, Alabama 11th overall just a few years ago in 2019 and is still playing under his rookie contract with a team option through 2023. During this contract he will make what Tunsil is going to be owed next season. Let that sink in for a minute when considering our owner.
Now regarding your thoughts of the sacks given up. While Williams has not been perfect, he is NOT the problem on this o-line. The Bengals RT went down for the season with an injury and had to rotate between a late round guy and rookie at RG. THIS has been the largest problem for the Bengals this season. The other thing most non-Bengals fans might not be acutely aware of is how many of those sacks were assigned to Burrow and his style of play, holding onto the ball longer than you like. Not to mention the Center is less than solid as well.
No disrespect intended, but I'd still like to hear how taking on Tunsil's contract while SIMULTANEOUSLY giving up what would expected to be a early round pick and more makes sense for the Bengals ?? Anyone think it's really easy to just move a player from the left to the right or vice versa ?? I just can't see doing all that with a "hope and pray" mindset for 2022.
THAT BEING SAID. I would have no issues if the team felt this was the best course of action.
Reports about what their potential in the league will be are just that. Reports...
Williams is FAR from the concern on this o-line, but people are free to think what they like.
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
The right side is definitely a weakness. I’ve been one promoting the idea of the Bengals bringing in Tunsil. I think the Bengals could benefit from sliding OL personnel to the right.
LT- Tunsil
LG- Williams
OC- Hopkins
RG- Spain
RT- Prince
Bengals could invest in a RT through the draft since Prince becomes the weak link on the line. I’ve come off this idea a bit and could see the Eagles as a possible suitor since they’ve decided to stick with Hurts. Eagles have to improve their OL and have the assets to make it happen.
A smart GM acquiring Tunsil could do what OB didn’t do…..re-work his contract b/c he’s 29 years old while lowering his cap hit.
Know Mike Brown's history, there's now way he trades for Tunsil. Williams played RT until his SR. year at Alabama. Then he moved to LT.
Gotta find a RT. I could see Faalele going 31. I could also see Zion Johnson being the pick at 31 and drafting a RT in Rd 2.
Gotta fix the OL though.
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ArmyBengal
Retired Army Medical NCO
We took Jackson Carmen in the 2nd round last year.
He played LT at Clemson and then we promptly moved him to RG and then injuries took Reiff out at RT and he was tried there as well as getting time at LG. While people will say he struggled in his rookie year, I don't think they did him any favors moving the rookie all over the place to cover.
Again, I really wouldn't have concern getting Tunsil. I simply don't see it at this point. Maybe that changes.
If we give up picks, I have no issue giving them to the Texans. That would excite me just as much.
Sort of like not really losing the draft pick for me.
He played LT at Clemson and then we promptly moved him to RG and then injuries took Reiff out at RT and he was tried there as well as getting time at LG. While people will say he struggled in his rookie year, I don't think they did him any favors moving the rookie all over the place to cover.
Again, I really wouldn't have concern getting Tunsil. I simply don't see it at this point. Maybe that changes.
If we give up picks, I have no issue giving them to the Texans. That would excite me just as much.
Sort of like not really losing the draft pick for me.
Who do you think they'll draft rounds 1&2 (position?)
ArmyBengal
Retired Army Medical NCO
Honestly it's not so clear at this point. Talk to me in 4 weeks when free agency begins.
The Bengals are a Super Bowl team with top end money to spend. That doesn't happen often.
So while everyone expects that to go o-line early and often, it really depends on free agency.
I still think #31 is an o-lineman regardless however.
If a guy like Zion Johnson gets to #31, it's a no brainer.
If we get a top end free agent and an o-lineman in the first, the 2nd rounder is up for grabs.
We also have our own free agents to get done. If that doesn't happen, things change again.
Safety, Tight End, Cornerback, etc...
No disrespect received. So I will tell you just how taking on Tunsil's contract while giving up good draft picks and makes sense for the Bengals.
1) As I explained in the earlier post, Tunsil's remaining contract is not foreboding for the team that trades for him. his cap hit would be $17.8 million, 9th among LTs in 2022. There are LTs in free agency. Terron Armstead and Orlando Brown are both FAs this offseason. Both are likely to easily surpass the $17.8 million on Tunsil's deal, making Laremy the 11th highest salaried LT.
2) The Bengals are $57 million under the cap. They could easily outbid the league for one of these top LTs, keep their picks, and still sit pretty. That's what I would hope they do, if I were a Bengals fan. But, you've already mentioned Mike Brown's frugality. Plus, there would be competition for these players. And Cincinnati has not been a preferred FA destination. Maybe going to the big game changes that? Maybe not? Tunsil doesn't have to be convinced. He's already under contract (a smaller contract).
3) Getting a better LT (Tunsil or someone else) not only improves Burrow's blindside, it makes 3 positions on the offensive line better. Williams could move to the right side (where he played some in college), while an older, slower Reiff could kick inside to RG in his 11th season.
4) When you've allowed your QB to be sacked a total of 70 times in the regular and postseason, there should be only one objective this offseason. The Bengals allowed more sacks and QB hits than the Texans over the regular season. And the Texans were without their LT for 12 games, and played a rookie QB in 2/3 of the games. The Texans protection was better than the Bengals. Let that sink in for a minute or two.
5) Trying to hit on a ready to play OT at bottom of the 1st round is akin to finding a needle in the haystack. The Rams knew they were close to a Lombardi trophy, and didn't let draft picks stop them from going for the ring. Prospects are cool. Parades are cooler. The Bengals were possibly one sack allowed from a chance at sending the game into overtime and a shot at a parade. If I were a Bengal fan, I would hope my team struck while the window was open. It won't be for much longer if Joe keeps getting hit at this rate.
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texanhead08
All Pro
Tunsil is not worth what BOB traded to get him if anyone is crazy enough to offer a first round pick you take it and don't think twice about it.
Pro Bowl level players should be worth more than a late 1st.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Well looking at 1st round only, Texans gave 1.26 plus rounds 1 and 2 following year IIRC. He then was pro bowler 2019 and 20 and most likely if not injured 2021 a repeat.
I agree he was probably not worth what we gave for him. A lot of the negative focus was on the other parts of the trade such as Stills.
I think he is absolutely worth a late round one and a round two minimum. I don't see Bengals trading for him.
texanhead08
All Pro
He's the highest paid LT in the league and not playing up to that level. He had to be begged just to practice in 2020 and this year he missed 14 weeks when it was said he would be out 4-6 when he got hurt.
I never heard that they had to beg him to practice in 2020.
texanhead08
All Pro
I think we’ll get a first and third. Cincinnati makes the most sense. They have the cap space and now they know they have a legit young QB that can lead this team to a Super Bowl. They must do whatever it takes to get him the protection he needs to do that. Yes the owner is known to be cheap but now that they’re a legit contender I would be surprised if he didn’t loosen up the purse strings. now, while Burrow is on a rookie contract is the time to load up on the OL. This upcoming FA isn’t that good for OL and they Can’t depend on the 31st pick to automatically become a starter and an upgrade over what they have.
badboy
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I understand and agree to a certain point. However as you mention the owners frugality I think that he would be willing to take a chance with someone like petit-frere in the first round. I am interested as to why you think Bengals makes better sense than the Miami Dolphins?https://ninetynineyards.com/2022/01...-scouting-report-everything-you-need-to-know/
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no one at 31 is going to guarantee you what Tunsil will. You know exactly what you’re getting in Tunsil. As an owner would you rather take a chance at the end of the first round on an unknown or bring in a proven vet in Cincinnatis situation? That’s a no brained to me. Burrow is to valuable at this point to be taking chances. I could care less who we trade him to. I just want him gone. I want OL with bad attitudes.
what makes you think Miami would give up assets for a player they traded away just a couple of years ago?What about Miami’s situation makes you think they wouldn’t rather keep building through the draft? they’re not even sure if Tua is going to workout. Cincinnati on the other hand has their franchise QB and was one score away from winning the super bowl. Adding a couple of FAs and making a trade for a player like Tunsil could easily be the difference in what happened on those last two plays that cost them the super bowl.
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badboy
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A rather confusing post on your part as you seem to take the point that Tunsil is more valuable to the Bengals at 31 and would not be to the Dolphins at 29. In my opinion laremy tunsil will be a better left tackle or right tackle if traded to dolphins than any left tackle in this draft. He should bring round 1&2 minimum or no trade. He is not the same player that the Dolphins traded to Houston as he has matured and made the Pro Bowl twice and if he had not injured his thumb in my opinion should have been nominated again this past season.
As I have stated repeatedly O'Brien overpaid for what Laramie was at the time but may not have based on what he is worth today.
Miami had no issues with playing Tunsil but we're overwhelmed by Bill's offer. IMO Dolphins would have no issue taking him back as they desperately need to protect Tua; more fragile than Burrows. I disagree also as Tua is QB going forward as they will not get one in 2023 either. As do Jags, Dolphins want to give QB best shot this season.
It doesn't matter how you see Tag or Tunsil [or Watson] but how the teams that want them do.
As Texans fans we often get caught up in our personal feelings on the players of the Texans.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Tonsil wasn’t worth what BoB gave up for him to begin with and his value has gone down since. He’s a good pass blocker, poor at run blocking, lacks toughness and discipline, appears somewhat lazy, not 100% dedicated to his craft, feels selfish and lacks team in mind, and is as soft as the pillsbury dough boy.
Man you have a way of describing a 2 time pro bowl player.
He doesn't look like a fat doughboy and generally speaking lazy people don't make pro bowls or are top 10 in the world at what they do.
I get that you don't like that he was sat out the last part of the season. It did help with the tank though and we will see whether that was because of 1. Tanking 2. Trying to keep Tunsil healthy for next season. 3. Both of the above. 4. Keeping him healthy so Caserio can trade him this off-season.
I know what I would like Caserio to do and it's quite different than what you want him to do. Of course we look at Tunsil in totally different lights.
Shocking
It's not that I hate the guy .... it's more like - disapproval ! When blessed with that kind of talent, most players try to use it to elevate teammates and even communities. He didn't finish college .... he wouldn't run the 40 or bench press. When I watch him play, it looks like he's just going through the motions. I never see fire, much less spirit ! I know, we can't legislate morality, (character), nor should we .... but we can disapprove ! That's the reason I pay so much attention to the bio beneath each player .... a great number of these college players are stellar human beings !
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I'm Not really big on trading a 26 yr old lt. The dolphins did and look what they have to show for it. In my opinion, I think Howard or the NC State kid can replace him. I actually like Cross at LT better than both Neal and NC St kid. I mean if you can get a 1st and 3rd, which is a franchise tender, probably have to do it. I'm saying this even though I believe even in a rebuild, you need to keep good players. If it were me, I would keep him and play Howard at RT and draft Kayvon or the Hamilton who can be a joker.
Per Adam Scheftner twitter
To Cincy
Texans- Trey Waynes/2022 2nd/2023 4th
Cincy- Tunsil/2023 4th
Thoughts
To Cincy
Texans- Trey Waynes/2022 2nd/2023 4th
Cincy- Tunsil/2023 4th
Thoughts
Almost gotta go Neal or Okonwu at #3.
Unless you think Howard is a LT and can stay healthy. I dont
Unless you think Howard is a LT and can stay healthy. I dont
I agree but Waynes was highly coveted here back when he was drafted mid first round. His contract expires 2023 so not a long time thing
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Adding Kyle Hamilton along with Trae Waynes would be the start of something good.
I’d be fine with giving Howard a full shot at LT. Texans could still be in a position to add Zion Johnson and Andrew Stueber to the OL personnel.
I’d be fine with giving Howard a full shot at LT. Texans could still be in a position to add Zion Johnson and Andrew Stueber to the OL personnel.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Sounds like your boy The File Clerk got hosed once again.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Where did you get that from? I’ve pulled up the Texans main page and there’s no trade anywhere. Now Bleacher Reports has a few trade proposals for Tunsil.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Interesting that Lovie is quoted
“Said Lovie: "We have the third pick in the draft right now. There’s a possibility of us getting a great quarterback added to our team, or a lot of draft picks to get in more players. Something positive’s going to come out of that."
Which is quite possibly a smokescreen statement aimed at drumming up interest in that #3 pick.
The compensation is Ok, not spectacular, CB is and has been a huge need for this team, an extra 2 hopefully fills another need with a quality long term player.
Will be interesting to see the cap ramifications and whether the Texans have eaten any of Tunsil’s contract to get the deal done.
Hopefully this is another move towards clearing the cap book ready for 2023 whilst adding some talent to help us make the jump.
“Said Lovie: "We have the third pick in the draft right now. There’s a possibility of us getting a great quarterback added to our team, or a lot of draft picks to get in more players. Something positive’s going to come out of that."
Which is quite possibly a smokescreen statement aimed at drumming up interest in that #3 pick.
The compensation is Ok, not spectacular, CB is and has been a huge need for this team, an extra 2 hopefully fills another need with a quality long term player.
Will be interesting to see the cap ramifications and whether the Texans have eaten any of Tunsil’s contract to get the deal done.
Hopefully this is another move towards clearing the cap book ready for 2023 whilst adding some talent to help us make the jump.
Schefter has no mention of this on his twitter account. Check you spelling
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I think that’s a fake tweet.
But if that trade were to occur I’d consider it a failure.
On the Bengals forum they mention Wayne as possible cut for cap space. He’s had some injury issues and he’s not been all that good anyways.
You’d basically be getting a throw away player, trading down in the 4th and getting a second.
I think the Texans could do better.
But if that trade were to occur I’d consider it a failure.
On the Bengals forum they mention Wayne as possible cut for cap space. He’s had some injury issues and he’s not been all that good anyways.
You’d basically be getting a throw away player, trading down in the 4th and getting a second.
I think the Texans could do better.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
This is not on Schefter’s twitter or anywhere else.
The Pencil Neck
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Typo or fake tweet?