Some of them allege he coerced them into sexual activity.what exactly did he do that was ILLEGAL?
Most are alleging that he acted inappropriately (indecent exposure at least) and touched them with his genetalia (sexual assault)
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Some of them allege he coerced them into sexual activity.what exactly did he do that was ILLEGAL?
Oil on the anus. In the anus?Some of them allege he coerced them into sexual activity.
Most are alleging that he acted inappropriately (indecent exposure at least) and touched them with his genetalia (sexual assault)
There are 46 pages of literature here you should read first.So, I haven't really kept up with what the particulars are in the Watson case, I've heard there's 22 or so women that are upset with him and his behavior during massages to the point they want to sue him or file charges against him. That's about all I know, , I guess I'm just hoping we can get good value for him in a trade. He can take his perv-ass to some other town.
I don't want to start off a **** storm here, but as I think about it, from what I know, and I admit that it's limited, what exactly did he do that was ILLEGAL? I know it was creepy, in bad taste...but is it illegal if someone getting a massage asks the girl if she feels like rolling him over and giving him a happy ending, is that illegal? It's creepy, but illegal? If he asked them to touch him in "areas", that's illegal? I'm just asking. Most women I'm sure have heard much worse than that in nightclubs, much worse! Probably at work too. Lots of men get fired for sexual harassment in the workplace, some women too. But these people don't usually get sued, right? Or locked up?
I'd imagine some of the women would have been been at the very least offended and have slapped him up side the head or chased him outta their shop, maybe with a 2×4...
So maybe just not keeping up on this I probably missed a whole list of other stuff he's accused of. And It's been awhile since I lived in Houston so I don't hear updates every night on the lical news.
I wouldn't want my daughter or wife in the same Zip code as him. And I'm guessing some of these women have boy friends and husbands that would like some alone time with him too, but other than him being a really F#$%ing CREEP, what he did was illegal?
And I'm by no means defending him,
but just asking anyone that could educate me.
Thx!
Got it!Some of them allege he coerced them into sexual activity.
Most are alleging that he acted inappropriately (indecent exposure at least) and touched them with his genetalia (sexual assault)
If he asked if they would do that, they could have said no and/or thrown him out, right? Did he force them to do this? Not sure how he could have forced them, they could simply walk out of the room. Is it illegal to ask? Guys are trying to coerce women into sexual activity every Friday and Saturday night in clubs and bars all over Houston. The indecent exposure...don't they have you undress, lay down and put a small towel over your middle? Lots of grey area there. Now if he touching them with his junk, that's going to be a tough one to talk his way out of.Oil on the anus. In the anus?
This isn't where you would get up to date information..........here is the thread where you would: Sexual Assault Suits Against WatsonThere are 46 pages of literature here you should read first.
Some were at the massage therapists' homes, some at hotels, none at a medical facility. None at NRG.Got it!
If he asked if they would do that, they could have said no and/or thrown him out, right? Did he force them to do this? Not sure how he could have forced them, they could simply walk out of the room. Is it illegal to ask? Guys are trying to coerce women into sexual activity every Friday and Saturday night in clubs and bars all over Houston.
Weren't these places in Medical/Service bldgs with other people working in the same areas, front reception area etc...
Or are we talking about those massage places along IH45 on the way out of town (North)
Almost sounds like you want Watson to be charged.
So, you possess a certain set of skills; skills that you’ve obtained over a long period of time and these skills make you a nightmare for accused sexual predators/abusers like Deshaun Watson.
Look, you’ve thrown absolutisms around This case has not been heard at this time and therefore no one knows for certain what the outcome will be.
None of us are blaming the women, but to stand on the sideline and say that every women’s statements are absolutely true with no investigation needed is reckless at minimum.
You have exclusively presented Buzbee’s and your own opinion regarding Watson’s guilt. I and some others have only presented alternate views….you know, just like they would do in a court of law. This is in no way….us saying we think Watson is innocent. Everyone of us have stated that if Watson is found guilty, they should throw the book at him. Some of us have he stated that if he’s found guilty, the punishment of him swinging from the gallows may not happen. He could even wind up with fines and probation at the bitter end.
My wife just in the last two weeks finished her Massage Therapy school, all she lacks now is to take her State License test. But I asked her about the Watson thing when she was in school and she said they spent the better part of a week talking about, not Watson specifically but this kind of stuff happening in the industry and how to handle it. I got the impression from her that they take it as a serious breach of their industry and really nip it in the bud so to speak.Some were at the massage therapists' homes, some at hotels, none at a medical facility. None at NRG.
Well, if it wasn't consensual then it was rape, and if he raped these women he's not going to jail, he's going to prison.Which is more likely? All 24 of these women and 10 criminal case women are lying or Derrick. Particularly when this started Derrick said he didn't have sex with any massage therapists, then later recounted and said he had consensual sex with some of these women. (A lie)
Remember a lot of this was during the start of Covid where places were shut downMy wife just in the last two weeks finished her Massage Therapy school, all she lacks now is to take her State License test. But I asked her about the Watson thing when she was in school and she said they spent the better part of a week talking about, not Watson specifically but this kind of stuff happening in the industry and how to handle it. I got the impression from her that they take it as a serious breach of their industry and really nip it in the bud so to speak.
She said this is now and always has been a part of the curriculum (it's about a year long class/training) on handling/reacting to these circumstances (for lack of a better word) and it's taken very seriously and you know what to do when you finish your training. I guess that why I'm kind of scratching my head about this, not that Watson was behaving inappropriately, but that these girls did not know how to better handle the situaltion. Doing the massages at your house, make sure there's someone else there! Don't do them in a hotel, protect yourself.
My wife just in the last two weeks finished her Massage Therapy school, all she lacks now is to take her State License test. But I asked her about the Watson thing when she was in school and she said they spent the better part of a week talking about, not Watson specifically but this kind of stuff happening in the industry and how to handle it. I got the impression from her that they take it as a serious breach of their industry and really nip it in the bud so to speak.
She said this is now and always has been a part of the curriculum (it's about a year long class/training) on handling/reacting to these circumstances (for lack of a better word) and it's taken very seriously and you know what to do when you finish your training. I guess that why I'm kind of scratching my head about this, not that Watson was behaving inappropriately, but that these girls did not know how to better handle the situaltion. Doing the massages at your house, make sure there's someone else there! Don't do them in a hotel, protect yourself.
Wildroot, several of my patients have been licensed massage therapists, and we've had opportunity to speak about the Watson situation. You are correct. They are exposed to a couple of courses regarding these scenarios. They have all told me that it has been very rare that they have encountered this type of behavior. They explained to me that much like armed services bootcamp......you are trained how to react in case of future actual armed conflict..........you get it down pat...........but you never know how you will ultimately respond when the bullets are flying...........and it may not always be the way you are trained.Remember a lot of this was during the start of Covid where places were shut down
I get it...Wildroot, several of my patients have been licensed massage therapists, and we've had opportunity to speak about the Watson situation. You are correct. They are exposed to a couple of courses regarding these scenarios. They have all told me that it has been very rare that they have encountered this type of behavior. They explained to me that much like armed services bootcamp......you are trained how to react in case of future actual armed conflict..........you get it down pat...........but you never know how you will ultimately respond when the bullets are flying...........and it may not always be the way you are trained.
This is why I think the allegations are false. If you read the complaints filed a lot of the masseuses let things go too far. Some even massaged him multiple times even though he was allegedly inappropriate with them on the first massage. And more than a year later, I wonder why they haven't filed charges yet? The grand jury investigation was supposed to wrap up in January. What happened with that? It just doesn't add up.My wife just in the last two weeks finished her Massage Therapy school, all she lacks now is to take her State License test. But I asked her about the Watson thing when she was in school and she said they spent the better part of a week talking about, not Watson specifically but this kind of stuff happening in the industry and how to handle it. I got the impression from her that they take it as a serious breach of their industry and really nip it in the bud so to speak.
She said this is now and always has been a part of the curriculum (it's about a year long class/training) on handling/reacting to these circumstances (for lack of a better word) and it's taken very seriously and you know what to do when you finish your training. I guess that why I'm kind of scratching my head about this, not that Watson was behaving inappropriately, but that these girls did not know how to better handle the situaltion. Doing the massages at your house, make sure there's someone else there! Don't do them in a hotel, protect yourself.
Posted for reference.So, I haven't really kept up with what the particulars are in the Watson case, I've heard there's 22 or so women that are upset with him and his behavior during massages to the point they want to sue him or file charges against him. That's about all I know, , I guess I'm just hoping we can get good value for him in a trade. He can take his perv-ass to some other town.
I don't want to start off a **** storm here, but as I think about it, from what I know, and I admit that it's limited, what exactly did he do that was ILLEGAL? I know it was creepy, in bad taste...but is it illegal if someone getting a massage asks the girl if she feels like rolling him over and giving him a happy ending, is that illegal? It's creepy, but illegal? If he asked them to touch him in "areas", that's illegal? I'm just asking. Most women I'm sure have heard much worse than that in nightclubs, much worse! Probably at work too. Lots of men get fired for sexual harassment in the workplace, some women too. But these people don't usually get sued, right? Or locked up?
I'd imagine some of the women would have been been at the very least offended and have slapped him up side the head or chased him outta their shop, maybe with a 2×4...
So maybe just not keeping up on this I probably missed a whole list of other stuff he's accused of. And It's been awhile since I lived in Houston so I don't hear updates every night on the lical news.
I wouldn't want my daughter or wife in the same Zip code as him. And I'm guessing some of these women have boy friends and husbands that would like some alone time with him too, but other than him being a really F#$%ing CREEP, what he did was illegal?
And I'm by no means defending him,
but just asking anyone that could educate me.
Thx!
So it’s on the woman to stop a man even if he is using physical force ........This is why I think the allegations are false. If you read the complaints filed a lot of the masseuses let things go too far. Some even massaged him multiple times even though he was allegedly inappropriate with them on the first massage. And more than a year later, I wonder why they haven't filed charges yet? The grand jury investigation was supposed to wrap up in January. What happened with that? It just doesn't add up.
It adds up quite well, especially with the newly amended complaint.https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/sexual-assault-suits-against-watson.115909/page-175#post-3235839This is why I think the allegations are false. If you read the complaints filed a lot of the masseuses let things go too far. Some even massaged him multiple times even though he was allegedly inappropriate with them on the first massage. And more than a year later, I wonder why they haven't filed charges yet? The grand jury investigation was supposed to wrap up in January. What happened with that? It just doesn't add up.
Yes indeed. Also, the fact he was going to skin care therapists who aren’t able to give body massages because no one wanted to work with him.It adds up quite well, especially with the newly amended complaint.https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/sexual-assault-suits-against-watson.115909/page-175#post-3235839
Yeah, so just what I've gleaned in the last hour or so, I think I'm split down the middle. Watson acted very inappropriately, no excuses, very creepy. But the girls had a... responsibility?....to just not roll over and allow this to happen. At the very least they walk out. A female at night giving a massage to a man, nude other than a towel covering his middle, alone in a hotel room or at his or her house is a recipe for disaster. The girls share some of the, I don't know if blame is the right word, but they could have left the instant it got creepy and ended it. Does not excuse Watson's behavior! And if he raped any of them he's toast, and deservedly so.This is why I think the allegations are false. If you read the complaints filed a lot of the masseuses let things go too far. Some even massaged him multiple times even though he was allegedly inappropriate with them on the first massage. And more than a year later, I wonder why they haven't filed charges yet? The grand jury investigation was supposed to wrap up in January. What happened with that? It just doesn't add up.
If the allegation was true there would be no need to amend the complaint to include additional salacious details. They would've been there already in the initial complaint. The fact that they are just now changing the story to make Watson appear more guilty is suspicious.It adds up quite well, especially with the newly amended complaint.https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/sexual-assault-suits-against-watson.115909/page-175#post-3235839
I appreciate you moving your response to the correct thread, but please let's not get into this again.So it’s on the woman to stop a man even if he is using physical force ........
All this has been addressed several times. Go back to page 30 or something, we're way past this now.This is why I think the allegations are false. If you read the complaints filed a lot of the masseuses let things go too far. Some even massaged him multiple times even though he was allegedly inappropriate with them on the first massage. And more than a year later, I wonder why they haven't filed charges yet? The grand jury investigation was supposed to wrap up in January. What happened with that? It just doesn't add up.
In didn't say that. If a man is making you feel uncomfortable either by his action or verbally, you have a duty to yourself to at the very least walk away. Leave. Call the police if you feel threatened.So it’s on the woman to stop a man even if he is using physical force ........
What if you can’t leave or walk away? What if you are threatened if you call the police?In didn't say that. If a man is making you feel uncomfortable either by his action or verbally, you have a duty to yourself to at the very least walk away. Leave. Call the police if you feel threatened.
Unless you want to stay and be spoken to in that manner. And I did say if he was raping these women he belongs in PRISON!
What were you reading?
I was 100% with you until the last sentence.I'm a licensed massage therapist of 20 years and I've taught massage therapy in a school setting. I find what has happened disgusting and part of the reason I no longer follow the Texans very closely.
As for how these women handled a celebrity asking them for sex or forcing sex on them, it's easy to say you'll walk out of the room and tell them to leave when you've had the training. But when you're just starting out, not professionally trained, and worried about making enough money to pay your rent, you might let one comment or slip of the towel go. The power differential in this situation is heavy.
Here you have a guy offering a lot of money to perform a massage service. The $$$ puts the power solely in Watson's favor. Suddenly he does or says something sexual and poof, the money is at risk. Desperate times leads to desperate decisions. Part of the problem that folks aren't realizing, a lot of the women that he chose were not Licensed, Registered, or had been to school for training. He found them on IG or what have you. He was looking for a 'certain' type. Hell, one woman he flew in from Atlanta and she was saving up money to go to massage school. That's sex trafficking by definition.
I'm not sure what the licensing rules are in every state, but here in Oregon it is illegal to practice massage without a license. Now does that stop the "rub down shops"? Nope. People still frequent those establishments because they are there. Federally it is against the law to pay for or take money for sex... aka prostitution.
In the situation with Mr. Watson, I hope that the truth comes out. No one should be subjected to this kind of thing against their will. If he explained what he wanted prior to the session and they went for it, that's on them. But if this is something that he coerced or forced them into, that's on him.
So it’s on the woman to stop a man even if he is using physical force ........
What if you can’t leave or walk away? What if you are threatened if you call the police?
She went to the restroom and he asked to pay her money for sexual services then told her to leave. After forcing his penis to touch her hand.In her revised statement…she did exit the room and then returned. At no point did she mention Watson yelling in forceful manner, get your arse back in here or else!
I don’t think he wants up to date info. Same old bs is being rehashed.This isn't where you would get up to date information..........here is the thread where you would: Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson
You don’t get it and it’s fine. Physical force. Coercion. Threats. Oh those do exist within the 22 cases.At no point in the amended complaint did she mention the use of “physical force”. It appears this has been added as a personal view.
I’m still trying to visualize how the towel was over the Johnson….she massaged his leg and he made a sudden move that froze her and his Johnson abandoned the towel and touched her hand while she had no time to react. She then left the room and returned to the room to find Watson now completely nude on her table and adjusting his Johnson rather vigorously while propositioning her for additional services. Her statement is a bit suspicious, but does deserve to be investigated. Remember, there’s no physical evidence of the events described in her statement.
The other thing I find interesting that was mentioned in one of the post above……why is Buzbee so eager to get information to the media? If his case was 100%, I’d shut the duck up and play poker face with Hardin. Instead, his constant scrambling to put everything out to the media before a trial has even began…..leads me to believe he’s becoming desperate and wants Hardin and Watson to think he’s completely in the drivers seat. Some of Buzbee’s clients may also be leaning on the side of impatience…..who knows, maybe Buzbee promised some of them that there would be no time in court and Watson could be forced to settle for a lot more money. Buzbee is probably in line to collect 33 - 40% of what Watson pays out b/c he’s not doing this out of the kindness of his heart.
Sometimes that’s easier said that done. Can’t really speak on it if you never been in that situation. Or it’s really easy for us to say just walk away.I was 100% with you until the last sentence.
If you feel like you're being coerced, walk away. Say: I'm leaving now, and walk out. If you're being FORCED to do something....I'm not sure what that means here. If he's physically forcing someone...physically forcing to have sex (rape) he should go to prison. If forcing is under the context of the woman saying to herself that if she doesn't appease him then she won't get a big payday, I mean she's making the call to stay, if that's the call she's making. But if he's not physically forcing her or threatning her where she feels in danger, then she walks out the door. That's a choice she makes.
"Nah...I want to stay and make some big money, hell yeah!" That's on her.
Either way, he's a POS. And I hope I'm not coming accross like I'm defending him. I'm just nicely trying to say that... maybe the woman could have walked away? Should she have to do that? No. Should she be put in a position where she has to do that? No. But if you find yourself with a shady character, leave.
I think the revised part was offering money for sex & the part about him choking his chickenIn her revised statement…she did exit the room and then returned. At no point did she mention Watson yelling in forceful manner, get your arse back in here or else!
Do you know the point of coercion? To make someone feel like they have no choice........I was 100% with you until the last sentence.
If you feel like you're being coerced, walk away. Say: I'm leaving now, and walk out. If you're being FORCED to do something....I'm not sure what that means here. If he's physically forcing someone...physically forcing to have sex (rape) he should go to prison. If forcing is under the context of the woman saying to herself that if she doesn't appease him then she won't get a big payday, I mean she's making the call to stay, if that's the call she's making. But if he's not physically forcing her or threatning her where she feels in danger, then she walks out the door. That's a choice she makes.
"Nah...I want to stay and make some big money, hell yeah!" That's on her.
Either way, he's a POS. And I hope I'm not coming accross like I'm defending him. I'm just nicely trying to say that... maybe the woman could have walked away? Should she have to do that? No. Should she be put in a position where she has to do that? No. But if you find yourself with a shady character, leave.
Is offering money for sex a crime? Serious question. I know HAVING sex for money is a crime, but is making the offer a crime?I think the revised part was offering money for sex & the part about him choking his chicken
I don't know how it works but I do know that a majority of court cases are settled out of court, many about an hour before the trial starts. (Lawyers milking it). I'm GUESSING we will see something similar here. The City of Houston has nothing to gain by dragging this out. GUESSING again here, the judge will encourage parties to settle this before the case goes to trial. That's my story and I'm sticking to it (for now). Lawyer games.
Is offering money for sex a crime? Serious question. I know HAVING sex for money is a crime, but is making the offer a crime?
How do you settle the criminal complaints?
They plea out just as often.
What's the charge?Uhhh, yes.
Good question. It is a crime in Tx to offer sex. As of Sept 2021, it remains a crime to solicit prostitution even if no money is exchanged (or other form of payment) and/or no sexual conduct transpires. It remains a crime in Texas merely to ask for sex in exchange for any type of payment. Offering to pay for sex is further taken into account based on further circumstances and if it reinforces previous and other actions on the part of the perpertrator.Is offering money for sex a crime? Serious question. I know HAVING sex for money is a crime, but is making the offer a crime?
What's the charge?
What do you think Derrick pleads out too?
Would that mean not leaving Texas for a period of time?Deferred adjudication.
Would that mean not leaving Texas for a period of time?
PesosHow do you settle the criminal complaints?
Deferred adjudication does not happen with multiple lawsuits. There has been no attempt to consolidate the lawsuits in one court. There will be multiple judges involved.Deferred adjudication.
Pretty sure they were talking about pleading out any potential criminal charges, not the lawsuits.Deferred adjudication does not happen with multiple lawsuits. There has been no attempt to consolidate the lawsuits in one court. There will be multiple judges involved.
If it is, multiple complainants still makes deferred adjudication unlikely.Pretty sure they were talking about pleading out any potential criminal charges, not the lawsuits.