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Head Coach Candidate (Lovie Smith Hired) 2/7/22

houstonhurricane said:
ummm, so a 65 yo guy who is a.500 NFL coach and an atrocious college coach is why you dump your previous head coach after one season. Got it
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Where'd you get that?

I think they dumped Culley because they wanted Flores. That fell through & they pursued Gannon, that fell through & are working on plan C.

I'd have liked if they would have called Flores & offered him the job that week before they fired Culley. Then we could have avoided all this drama
 
powerfuldragon said:
Not McCown and asking Lovie? either nobody wants the job, or they're trying to give McCown a couple of years as OC since everyone was saying he has no experience?
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I believe Caserio is insisting on being on the field with a headset during games and no HC candidate will tolerate a meddling GM wannabe HC like Caserio. This was the only reason Culley got the job, because everyone else said HELL NO - not because he was qualified. Same applies for a josh McCulley except Texans don’t want to appear racist by going with an unqualified HC like McCulley so now they go with Lovie which is also a sham because Caserio and Osteensterby have a throbbing 3 inch (combined) woody for josh McCulley to be the eventual HC. And cal McNumbnuts is in some room playing Halo while eating cheese wiz out of the can.
 
thunderkyss said:
This tells me McCown was never considered a HC candidate. Neither was Hines Ward. I don't understand why the charade.

The Texans aren't as screwed up as they've been saying. Arrogant maybe, to think they only needed to interview what turned out to be 4 candidates.

Flores... which I think is why Culley got fired. They thought they could get him. If not for the lawsuit he'd be the guy. If they weren't playing around & hired him when he came in for his interview, he might not have filled his suit.

Gannon, the only other guy they thought enough of to be a HC

O'Connell like McCown they think he's a good coach, future HC... Minnesota obviously thought higher of him.

Lombardi I'm guessing they didn't think much of him
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Oh, if it weren't for the Flores stuff, I have no doubt McCown was a serious possibility. They're just not going to take that heat now of hiring a white coach with zero experience over a ton of minorities out there better qualified. Not that it should matter if that's who you want, but that's the world we live in and the Texans seem to be pretty spineless in it.

thunderkyss said:
How'd Urban Meyer do at the college level?
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Couldn't care less what he did in college. College and pros are so different just with getting players that it isn't even apples and oranges. It's apples and sawdust.

But Lovie's last gig as an NFL HC he was 8-24. He had a few top 10 defenses in Chicago and won some games. Don't think he's ever had an offense worth much, and he'll have neither here. Don't have a real issue with hiring Lovie, other than for why they had to go there to begin with, and the fact that I'd rather have someone in the ranks and on the rise instead of someone nearer the end, who's simply a stop gap. I would have been fine with Gannon, O'Connell, Lombardi, maybe even DeMeco, though I think he could use a little more seasoning maybe, who knows? But McCown? No way in hell. Hines Ward? No thank you. That's what, 2/5ths, of the guys they interviewed? What the ****?? And now they're passing on all of them?

If they're going to hire Lovie now, they should have just done it last year instead of Culley and we wouldn't be going through this bullshit. But now, we'll be doing this **** again in a year or 2 most likely. Again, nobody in that building has 1 ******* clue what they're doing. They still have no plan, no vision, no direction.
 
thunderkyss said:
Where'd you get that?

I think they dumped Culley because they wanted Flores. That fell through & they pursued Gannon, that fell through & are working on plan C.

I'd have liked if they would have called Flores & offered him the job that week before they fired Culley. Then we could have avoided all this drama
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this males sense to me
perhaps the distraction of playing footsie w/McCown accounts for the hesitation...NFL could have dodged a bullet this year
 
Speedy said:
Oh, if it weren't for the Flores stuff, I have no doubt McCown was a serious possibility. They're just not going to take that heat now of hiring a white coach with zero experience over a ton of minorities out there better qualified. Not that it should matter if that's who you want, but that's the world we live in and the Texans seem to be pretty spineless in it.



Couldn't care less what he did in college. College and pros are so different just with getting players that it isn't even apples and oranges. It's apples and sawdust.

But Lovie's last gig as an NFL HC he was 8-24. He had a few top 10 defenses in Chicago and won some games. Don't think he's ever had an offense worth much, and he'll have neither here. Don't have a real issue with hiring Lovie, other than for why they had to go there to begin with, and the fact that I'd rather have someone in the ranks and on the rise instead of someone nearer the end, who's simply a stop gap. I would have been fine with Gannon, O'Connell, Lombardi, maybe even DeMeco, though I think he could use a little more seasoning maybe, who knows? But McCown? No way in hell. Hines Ward? No thank you. That's what, 2/5ths, of the guys they interviewed? What the ****?? And now they're passing on all of them?

If they're going to hire Lovie now, they should have just done it last year instead of Culley and we wouldn't be going through this bullshit. But now, we'll be doing this **** again in a year or 2 most likely. Again, nobody in that building has 1 ******* clue what they're doing. They still have no plan, no vision, no direction.
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Apparently they know that they want a short term bridge HC. Why would they want that?
 
I just seen a blip stating Lovie Smith could become the Texans HC!!! Wouldn’t that beat all? Seems as though the Texans have once again arrived near or at the back of the coaching hunt and just wind up settling.
 
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thunderkyss said:
Imo. That means it's time to open up the interviews again. Plenty of people still out there that are qualified that we haven't talked to.

Bowles in particular, Dennis Allen, Steve Spagnola, Dan Quinn.

Hard for me to believe McCown is the best you could do when you only talked to two qualified candidates
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He said he was leaving no stone unturned in his search...Thats what I took from what he said at his last presser.
 
thunderkyss said:
Nothing about this situation stops them from hiring McCown as HC. They brought Flores in for interview & got far enough he felt compelled to tell them about the law suit that had not been made public at the time.
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Depends on what you might think from public perception. The unqualified white coach passes over all kinds of qualified candidates including those of color. The Texans are already a cluster f, even that perception if it is not aligned with truth or reality.

What's the corporate answer. Give the job to the most harmless person possible. If the Texans retain McCown, I am expecting him to be a coach in waiting no matter what the title. Lovie is a more qualified Culley, mid-sixties black guy getting an unexpected chance. And I am not hating on Lovie taking the check either.
 
Number19 said:
An earlier post leaked that one of the three finalists had been informed he was no longer under consideration for the position, without naming who. Now we know who. Surprised me. I guess the differences in staffing was not reconciled.

Many think it's Flores. I find it difficult to presume he would be in tune with Caserio on the staffing conditions which seem to have eliminated Gannon. Particularly since Flores, with his defensive background, has coached a 34 defense and would seem to be at odds with Lovies's 43.

The Texans have to be going with McCown? And will announce it ... Monday?
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So just a thought.
But who's to say Gannon was eliminated? How many times have the hacks been proven wrong?
 
badboy said:
Jags ask to interview Pep Hamilton.
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The Houston Texans news cycle went bonkers on Sunday night, and Pep Hamilton was included in the cluster bombs going off. Amid the craziness of Sunday...
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Assuming that the Texans will deny that and offer Pep the OC here, but we will see. Late-night Sunday for action in a couple of weeks coaching search...shaking my head at the Texans once again.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
The unqualified white coach passes over all kinds of qualified candidates including those of color.
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Flores already publicly thanked the Texans for an honest interview


ArlingtonTexan said:
If the Texans retain McCown, I am expecting him to be a coach in waiting no matter what the title.
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If he’s made OC with the AHC title, I’d believe it. If he’s QB coach, I’d doubt it

Josh McDaniels or Jared Mayo was “supposed” to be our next HC. Neither were requested for interview. That tells me all these conspiracy theories are way off base & uninformed. This HC in waiting would be another one.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Assuming that the Texans will deny that and offer Pep the OC here, but we will see. Late-night Sunday for action in a couple of weeks coaching search...shaking my head at the Texans once again.
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Texans can’t deny an interview for a higher position
 
thunderkyss said:
Flores already publicly thanked the Texans for an honest interview



If he’s made OC with the AHC title, I’d believe it. If he’s QB coach, I’d doubt it

Josh McDaniels or Jared Mayo was “supposed” to be our next HC. Neither were requested for interview. That tells me all these conspiracy theories are way off base & uninformed. This HC in waiting would be another one.
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I believe the interest Flores was legit. Of course, the media and message boarders get it wrong a lot, but it makes for good typing and talking.
 
So here is what I think happened:

Caserio hires Culley to groom McCown.
McCown takes a flyer year one to pray so they keep Tim Kelly.
After year one Caserio tells Culley to fire Tim.
Culley says No.
Caserio says you’re fired if you don’t.
Culley says fired, retired, don’t matter. I am rich!
The search begins.
Caserio says let’s hire Gannon or Flores.
Easterby says McCown.
Cal of all people says this is crazy to hire McCown. And Cal says he can’t hire a guy with the last name of a bad guy in a video game he plays. He says it’s bad luck. So they are leaning toward Flores.
Flores files suit.
NFL then sends out memo that says you better hire people with a strong resume. Wink. Wink.
Texans says this messes up everything.
Cal starts googling “African American coaches NFL”
Finds Lovie Smith.
The rest is history.
 
This org is a rudderless ship with no direction, no plan, no overarching culture. Not the Easterby idea of culture. The what is it to be a Texan culture. It’s just a bunch of spare parts that don’t fit. It’s like the old Jonny Cash song about the man stealing one part at a time out the GM factory and trying to fashion a Frankenstein car out of a bunch of mismatched parts. They fly by the seat of their pants and NC has been extremely underwhelming throughout this process.
 
badboy said:
Jags ask to interview Pep Hamilton.
share.newsbreak.com

Houston Texans: Jags request midnight hour interview with Pep Hamilton - NewsBreak

The Houston Texans news cycle went bonkers on Sunday night, and Pep Hamilton was included in the cluster bombs going off. Amid the craziness of Sunday...
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This is interesting. Based on media reports that Pederson wanted McCown to join the Eagles staff, I thought it would be McCown being interviewed by the Jags.

Also, if McCown is supposed to be this hot future HC, if he doesn’t get the Texans HC job, why would he want to be on their staff? Why not be a QB coach or OC on another team and gain some experience and show the NFL that you earned it on your own merit instead of being handed a job by the Texans?
 
thunderkyss said:
This tells me McCown was never considered a HC candidate. Neither was Hines Ward. I don't understand why the charade.

The Texans aren't as screwed up as they've been saying. Arrogant maybe, to think they only needed to interview what turned out to be 4 candidates.

Flores... which I think is why Culley got fired. They thought they could get him. If not for the lawsuit he'd be the guy. If they weren't playing around & hired him when he came in for his interview, he might not have filled his suit.

Gannon, the only other guy they thought enough of to be a HC

O'Connell like McCown they think he's a good coach, future HC... Minnesota obviously thought higher of him.

Lombardi I'm guessing they didn't think much of him
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I don’t think it as a matter of playing around. I think they were just doing due diligence and didn’t think there was a huge hurry to hire him. Hell for all we know Flores told them he wanted to interview with the other teams before accepting.

What pissed Flores off was Giants interviewing him when they already knew they were hiring Daboll and then learning about it from BB, which was really weird how he knew first. I don’t blame Flores for being pissed but suing the entire NFL comes across as cutting off your nose type of deal. Particularly when at least the Texans and Saints were still considering him.
 
houstonhurricane said:
I mean he was 17-37 at Illinois/his last gig. How can you not feel good about him?
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Please, college is more about recruiting than actualgood coaching. It’s why so many hot college coaches fail in the NFL where the difference between the best team and the worst team in very thin.

Give Lovie a team like Clemson and you would have seen different results. I’m more impressed how he took a Texans defense that had no one that anybody ad ever even heard of and actually made them fairly decent.
 
Earl34 said:
Why not be a QB coach or OC on another team and gain some experience and show the NFL that you earned it on your own merit instead of being handed a job by the Texans?
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I think the main draw for McCown & Pep is that their high school sons are already established in Texas high schools.

They might leave, but it would have to be a sweet deal to get them to uproot their families
 
Well, if they hire Lovie get ready to be "Very, very disappointed". He uses that statement after every loss. I set through his entire career here and I was indeed "Very, very disappointed". For some reason his defense couldn't stop the slant route. Teams figured that out and week in and week out, they kept getting burned on that. Mariota looked like a HOFer in his very first NFL game which was against Lovie. Remember the "You like that??" Kirk Cousins comeback game? Yep, for some reason it took Cousins three quarters to figure out that all he needed to do was throw those 10 yard slants on every play. BTW, NO, I didn't "like that" or Lovie as a HC either. He seemed like a real nice dude but so "disappointing" as a HC ...


 
I remember a couple of weeks ago listening to 610 radio and one of the characters stating that Lovie Smith did not want the pressure of being a head coach again. I wonder who Lovie will choose to be his defensive coordinator? If he gets the job that is. Also his oline coach...
 
I'm fine with Lovie. Much better than the racist cancer loser.

But, we had Culley. Culley and Smith are basically the same "tier" despite Smith's longer resume of course. So to get rid of Culley and go with Smith seems bizarre.

But ultimately it's the best remaining move. If you're not keeping Culley as the bridge to your success, you keep Lovie, keep building, and then once the team is in place and is progressing, you can either keep it going with him or hand the keys to McCown, or whoever else.

Keep Hamilton and whatever too. Makes even less sense to get rid of Culley then, haha. But whatever. Again, this is better than burning a candidate you actually like on a rebuilding team.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
I'm fine with Lovie. Much better than the racist cancer loser.

But, we had Culley. Culley and Smith are basically the same "tier" despite Smith's longer resume of course. So to get rid of Culley and go with Smith seems bizarre.

But ultimately it's the best remaining move. If you're not keeping Culley as the bridge to your success, you keep Lovie, keep building, and then once the team is in place and is progressing, you can either keep it going with him or hand the keys to McCown, or whoever else.

Keep Hamilton and whatever too. Makes even less sense to get rid of Culley then, haha. But whatever. Again, this is better than burning a candidate you actually like on a rebuilding team.
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Who are you referring to in the 1st sentence in your post?
 
thunderkyss said:
No way they'll hire Lombardi as HC.

No way they hire Florres.

They told Gannon he's out.

McConnell didn't make the finalist list.

Caserio is phkng with the media. He's hiring McCown.
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I cannot see them hiring Flores for multiple reasons:

Mulughetta being his agent. That guy is toxic and keeps this race issue at front and center.
The Lawsuit - which the Texans are named.
The Watson Tampering issue.
Mulugheta being the firestarter behind Watson demanding out of Houston.
 
If Lovie Smith becomes the HC….I really want to see him focus on being the HC. I’d prefer he hire a DC who can handle the job with no micro-management.

Brian Flores will not be a HC for any team this season but he’s a pretty solid option as DC. He’s not committed strictly to a 3-4 defense and has stated he can run both the 3-4 and 4-3. I’m fairly certain that Smith and Flores could devise a really effective defense for the Texans. They will need to find a new DL Coach to complete the staff on defense.

The team needs to hand the offense over to Pep Hamilton and I believe they could finally have a sound OC who could manage the offense with zero input. The Texans could appease their FO situation by asking McCown if he’d be willing to sign on as the QB Coach/Passing Game Coordinator. Smith and Hamilton would need to find OL and TE Coaches to complete the staff on offense.

Yeah, if this is “the” option….then I could accept it provided Lovie is required to hire a new DC.
 
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