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Brock Osweiller...Gun Slinger!

JamTex said:
He has the talent and work ethic to be a great quarterback.
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Maybe so. Probably so. It certainly appears that way.

Time will tell though and we're just 2 games into the Os era. He needs to quit throwing that drive killing interception though. That's getting old fast.
 
DBCooper said:
And he won't always get so lucky with the defense bailing him out.

Here's ESPN talking about this very discussion:

http://www.espn.com/blog/houston-te...ident-hell-limit-interceptions-moving-forward
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See, I just don't get this narrative about him "showing he is still prone to throwing interceptions" as they say to start the article. When was he "prone" to begin with?

He had 6 interceptions in 8 games last season. My math says that on pace for 12 on a season. I'm pretty sure 12 INT's on a season is a pretty damn good number.

Our new ESPN writer gal needs to not parrot for the sake of churning out a quick article.
 
Scooter said:
Peyton had 3. No, Brock has A, B and 'if angels sing and you get this look you can call C'. Brock isn't Mox, he can't call the oopty ufcking oop because he feels like it. Seriously that's the impression you give. Brock isn't Peyton, he doesn't even get to call option B without an obvious need. What offense do you think we're running? Study. Brady doesn't get to call his own plays because that would mess up Belichick's grand design - such as having a sneaky fullback go for 100+ yards. Coaches are generals. Kubiak would abuse a play in week 4 to set up it's counter in week 12. O'Brien works similarly (I hope), there is a bigger scheme than allowing Oz to call his own plays and hope for the best.
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You have no clue what you're talking about. Brady has been changing plays and been able to call plays at the line of scrimmage for years. They have a one word play call offense they run a lot and they move it faster than any offense in NFL history. A QB has to be able to do that in order to run a hurry up offense the way they do at times. And it isn't Bellicheck running anything on offense. Josh Mcdaniels calls their plays on offense. He's been there for years and him and Brady have a chemistry together to where Brady has a lot of freedom that many QB's will never have to go outside of their calls. Both BB and Mcdaniels have stated that Brady is the hardest player for them to coach due to how much he studies other teams and how he knows more about them in meetings than they do half the time.
 
JamTex said:
In game 1 against the Bears, Brock threw the ball for 231 yards, 2 TD's and an Int.
In game 2 against the Chiefs, he threw for 268 yards, 1 TD and 2 Int's.
He is not afraid to throw the deep, intermediate or short routes.
He trusts his receiver to catch it no matter what.
So he throws an Int. He'll throw more TD's.
This kid is a fearless gun slinger. He'll sling the ball into the tightest spots just because he thinks he can.
Remind you of anyone? (Brett Farve)
He'll throw his interceptions. But he doesn't worry about it. He seriously thinks his receivers and defense will bail him out and he'll live to the next play.
The thing is, he will.
This is what we've been waiting for. A guy that will lead, be a real gun slinger, and live for the next play no matter what happened on the last.
He has the good stuff. Let's just watch it bloom in front of us.
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Lol couldn't read past the point where you call him a Fearless Gunslinger
 
DBCooper said:
And he won't always get so lucky with the defense bailing him out.

Here's ESPN talking about this very discussion:

http://www.espn.com/blog/houston-te...ident-hell-limit-interceptions-moving-forward
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The writer is obviously parroting a pre-conceived narrative about Brock that started when he left Denver. For whatever reason(s), the national media has been very negative about him while singing praises for other QBs that have shown nothing (or very little) in the NFL.

Texecutioner said:
You have no clue what you're talking about. Brady has been changing plays and been able to call plays at the line of scrimmage for years. They have a one word play call offense they run a lot and they move it faster than any offense in NFL history. A QB has to be able to do that in order to run a hurry up offense the way they do at times. And it isn't Bellicheck running anything on offense. Josh Mcdaniels calls their plays on offense. He's been there for years and him and Brady have a chemistry together to where Brady has a lot of freedom that many QB's will never have to go outside of their calls. Both BB and Mcdaniels have stated that Brady is the hardest player for them to coach due to how much he studies other teams and how he knows more about them in meetings than they do half the time.
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I've posted this article a few times, but I think it should be mentioned here in order to help give some folks insight about this offensive scheme:

Speak My Language

As the players and schemes have changed, it's the way the Patriots talk that's continued their offensive dominance

The core of the Patriots’ offensive system has been threaded through its various stages, both stabilizing the transitions and allowing the next evolution. The design and organization of New England’s system is better suited than any other to adapt to an NFL game in which change — of personnel, of trends, of schemes — is the only certainty.

New England’s offense is a member of the NFL’s third offensive family, the Erhardt-Perkins system. The offense was named after the two men, Ron Erhardt and Ray Perkins, who developed it while working for the Patriots under head coach Chuck Fairbanks in the 1970s. According to Perkins, it was assembled in the same way most such systems are developed. “I don’t look at it as us inventing it,” he explained. “I look at it as a bunch of coaches sitting in rooms late at night organizing and getting things together to help players be successful.”

The backbone of the Erhardt-Perkins system is that plays — pass plays in particular — are not organized by a route tree or by calling a single receiver’s route, but by what coaches refer to as “concepts.” Each play has a name, and that name conjures up an image for both the quarterback and the other players on offense. And, most importantly, the concept can be called from almost any formation or set. Who does what changes, but the theory and tactics driving the play do not. “In essence, you’re running the same play,” said Perkins. “You’re just giving them some window-dressing to make it look different.”

The biggest advantage of the concept-based system is that it operates from the perspective of the most critical player on offense: the quarterback.

Full article
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This offense gives the QB a lot of freedom, and a lot of power, at the LOS.
 
Double Barrel said:
The writer is obviously parroting a pre-conceived narrative about Brock that started when he left Denver. For whatever reason(s), the national media has been very negative about him while singing praises for other QBs that have shown nothing (or very little) in the NFL.



I've posted this article a few times, but I think it should be mentioned here in order to help give some folks insight about this offensive scheme:



This offense gives the QB a lot of freedom, and a lot of power, at the LOS.
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Yeah, I always hear these theories or random statements about BB or what the Patriots do from people that seem to have no understanding or knowledge on how their offense is ran. THey bring up BB all of the time, and almost completely ignore Josh Mcdaniels and his impact with their team though. A lot are also not aware that a few years ago BB even went out to Oregon for consulting with Chip Kelly on how to run the fastest pace offense he could in the NFL when Kelly was still in college. That's right BB got some mentorship from Chip Kelly of all people. Lol! It worked beautifully as well, because the Pats eventually ran the fastest offense the NFL had ever seen with that one word play calling style once they got everything perfected. They have like 99 plays they run out of it or something like that.

This is also why I told a lot of people before this season that our offense would likely struggle a lot out of the gate in the first 5 or 6 games. I expected a lot of us to see what we are currently seeing due to how difficult it is to learn the system we have which is likely a hybrid of what the Pats are currently running now any way. Its new for the QB and the rookie WR's who are still getting acclimated to the NFL as a whole.

As far as Brock's freedom to call plays or change them at the line right now, I don't think any of us know all of that just yet any way. That will take some time I suspect once OB gets more confidence in what Brock knows and what he can see at the line of scrimmage along with the chemistry with the receivers. All of that stuff takes time, and you've got fans with very poor knowledge of any of this who expect all of this to happen over night. The one thing we keep hearing from the Texans coaching staff is how smart and intelligent Brock is and how hard he works in the film room, so I have no doubt that it will happen for him. He just needs more and more time and a better Oline. People forget that Brock should have had 4 TD passes last week if it wasn't for Fuller and Hopkins both dropping TD passes.
 
Unlike someone else above, I actually didn't like his decision making on two of the 2 picks he has thrown - both of the goal line picks. It appeared to me in both cases that he had determined pre-snap who the ball was going to, and he locked onto the target in both cases and heaved it - damn the torpedoes. The DB's in both cases could see the ball was coming their way and worked into great position and it didn't help that the ball placement wasn't good in both cases. He's got to be smarter than that, and if the play isn't there, he's got to at worst throw it where only his guy or nobody can get it, or preferably look elsewhere or throw the ball away and take the 3 points. An interception is way more deflating than a FG.

Don't get me wrong. Even after two games, Brock is making me forget my Hoyer hangover. I think we've finally found "our guy" that the team can build around, but he's still a young guy in NFL playing time and he's got some things to work on and clean up. His QB sneak is horrible. His play fake needs work, and at times he stares down his target. And as noted, he's forced balls that should not have been thrown. Overall, his ball placement is pretty good but once in a while he throws a head scratcher. He seems to quickly be getting better at holding on to the ball too long, so I'm encouraged on that front.

OTOH, his deep ball placement has been spot on, he has enough arm talent to make just about any throw an NFL team would want, he is spreading the ball around, and he seems to have good (and getting better) command of a very complex offense and be able to get his team into a good play. He's also a niftier escape artist then I realized. All in all, I'm pleased with his progress.

I'm not sure his upside is in the elite category, but it could be as high as that next general tier of guys where you find the Wilson's, Palmer's, & Stafford's of the NFL.
 
Porky said:
I'm not sure his upside is in the elite category, but it could be as high as that next general tier of guys where you find the Wilson's, Palmer's, & Stafford's of the NFL.
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Yeah, I'm not sure if he will ever be a fully elite guy, but my fair hope is that he can become that 2nd tier where he is as good as the likes of Big Ben, Rivers, good Flacco, Wilson, and good Eli. Those guys have been pretty good year in and year out. Brock reminds me of Flacco more than any other QB when I watch him so if he could turn into that dangerous play making flacco that shows up in the post season, then that would be great.
 
Porky said:
Unlike someone else above, I actually didn't like his decision making on two of the 2 picks he has thrown - both of the goal line picks. It appeared to me in both cases that he had determined pre-snap who the ball was going to, and he locked onto the target in both cases and heaved it - damn the torpedoes. The DB's in both cases could see the ball was coming their way and worked into great position and it didn't help that the ball placement wasn't good in both cases. He's got to be smarter than that, and if the play isn't there, he's got to at worst throw it where only his guy or nobody can get it, or preferably look elsewhere or throw the ball away and take the 3 points. An interception is way more deflating than a FG.

Don't get me wrong. Even after two games, Brock is making me forget my Hoyer hangover. I think we've finally found "our guy" that the team can build around, but he's still a young guy in NFL playing time and he's got some things to work on and clean up. His QB sneak is horrible. His play fake needs work, and at times he stares down his target. And as noted, he's forced balls that should not have been thrown. Overall, his ball placement is pretty good but once in a while he throws a head scratcher. He seems to quickly be getting better at holding on to the ball too long, so I'm encouraged on that front.

OTOH, his deep ball placement has been spot on, he has enough arm talent to make just about any throw an NFL team would want, he is spreading the ball around, and he seems to have good (and getting better) command of a very complex offense and be able to get his team into a good play. He's also a niftier escape artist then I realized. All in all, I'm pleased with his progress.

I'm not sure his upside is in the elite category, but it could be as high as that next general tier of guys where you find the Wilson's, Palmer's, & Stafford's of the NFL.
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I think Brock will learn from this game. He know when to be greedy or safe throw balance.
 
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Kaiser Toro said:
And many of us knew how fragile it all was. Then we went to NE - the softness of that team showed, and we went into a downward spiral. They were the Houston team we thought they were.

This is no Kubiak led team. They will get better, they will compete.
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The letter jackets game! Yeah, when they lost three out of the last four we knew they were losing momentum.

Texecutioner said:
Yeah, I always hear these theories or random statements about BB or what the Patriots do from people that seem to have no understanding or knowledge on how their offense is ran. THey bring up BB all of the time, and almost completely ignore Josh Mcdaniels and his impact with their team though. A lot are also not aware that a few years ago BB even went out to Oregon for consulting with Chip Kelly on how to run the fastest pace offense he could in the NFL when Kelly was still in college. That's right BB got some mentorship from Chip Kelly of all people. Lol! It worked beautifully as well, because the Pats eventually ran the fastest offense the NFL had ever seen with that one word play calling style once they got everything perfected. They have like 99 plays they run out of it or something like that.

This is also why I told a lot of people before this season that our offense would likely struggle a lot out of the gate in the first 5 or 6 games. I expected a lot of us to see what we are currently seeing due to how difficult it is to learn the system we have which is likely a hybrid of what the Pats are currently running now any way. Its new for the QB and the rookie WR's who are still getting acclimated to the NFL as a whole.

As far as Brock's freedom to call plays or change them at the line right now, I don't think any of us know all of that just yet any way. That will take some time I suspect once OB gets more confidence in what Brock knows and what he can see at the line of scrimmage along with the chemistry with the receivers. All of that stuff takes time, and you've got fans with very poor knowledge of any of this who expect all of this to happen over night. The one thing we keep hearing from the Texans coaching staff is how smart and intelligent Brock is and how hard he works in the film room, so I have no doubt that it will happen for him. He just needs more and more time and a better Oline. People forget that Brock should have had 4 TD passes last week if it wasn't for Fuller and Hopkins both dropping TD passes.
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Yep. I have no doubt that Brock has a lot more to learn in this offense. O'Brien pretty much says it in his coach speak every week. What we are seeing right now is the Fisher Price version. Just wait until December, or heck, even 2017 and beyond, and Brock will have a lot more control and options at the LOS.

That article does a great job of giving a short history on the evolution of the Patriots offense, which I think is what we will see slowly develop here. Brock is the man. No doubt about it. But we cannot expect him to fully control this scheme just one offseason and two games into regular season.

Porky said:
Unlike someone else above, I actually didn't like his decision making on two of the 2 picks he has thrown - both of the goal line picks. It appeared to me in both cases that he had determined pre-snap who the ball was going to, and he locked onto the target in both cases and heaved it - damn the torpedoes. The DB's in both cases could see the ball was coming their way and worked into great position and it didn't help that the ball placement wasn't good in both cases. He's got to be smarter than that, and if the play isn't there, he's got to at worst throw it where only his guy or nobody can get it, or preferably look elsewhere or throw the ball away and take the 3 points. An interception is way more deflating than a FG.
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I think both passes were good decisions but bad execution. Brock said he just failed to put the ball where it needed to be. On the first INT, if he had thrown it more to the right of the receiver, and a bit higher, it would have been a TD. On the second INT, it looked like Nuk slipped and was out of place after the ball was thrown. It's still on the QB, but we have to understand that they are very early in their chemistry right now.

And, let's be honest, sometimes good defenses just make plays. Credit has to be given to the DB. Dude is one of the better ones in the league right now.

What I did like about both INTs is that Brock never looks rattled. He looks pissed at himself, which he should be, but he never looks worried or like he's getting down about it. He just looks at each with his coaches and plans to correct the next time he's got the ball. That's one of those intangible qualities that I look for in true leaders, and he's showing it so far.
 
Double Barrel said:
I think both passes were good decisions but bad execution.
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The endzone interception yesterday can only be a bad decision. Moving right, throwing across his body to a guy who clearly wasn't able to get separation on his route - something Os knew because he was staring at his target the whole time. There wasn't a location that Brock could've thrown that ball that was safe, it wasn't a lack of execution, any throw was going to be an interception because (Miller?) got manhandled the entire route.
 
Double Barrel said:
The letter jackets game! Yeah, when they lost three out of the last four we knew they were losing momentum.



Yep. I have no doubt that Brock has a lot more to learn in this offense. O'Brien pretty much says it in his coach speak every week. What we are seeing right now is the Fisher Price version. Just wait until December, or heck, even 2017 and beyond, and Brock will have a lot more control and options at the LOS.

That article does a great job of giving a short history on the evolution of the Patriots offense, which I think is what we will see slowly develop here. Brock is the man. No doubt about it. But we cannot expect him to fully control this scheme just one offseason and two games into regular season.



I think both passes were good decisions but bad execution. Brock said he just failed to put the ball where it needed to be. On the first INT, if he had thrown it more to the right of the receiver, and a bit higher, it would have been a TD. On the second INT, it looked like Nuk slipped and was out of place after the ball was thrown. It's still on the QB, but we have to understand that they are very early in their chemistry right now.

And, let's be honest, sometimes good defenses just make plays. Credit has to be given to the DB. Dude is one of the better ones in the league right now.

What I did like about both INTs is that Brock never looks rattled. He looks pissed at himself, which he should be, but he never looks worried or like he's getting down about it. He just looks at each with his coaches and plans to correct the next time he's got the ball. That's one of those intangible qualities that I look for in true leaders, and he's showing it so far.
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Good point on the intangible/leadership qualities. I think Jamtex has some poor word choices and analogies, but ultimately I think that is what he was trying to say. Brock seems to be able to forget about the last play and go right back to the well. It's not so much gunslinger as it is a confidence in your ability and being unafraid to go back for another kill shot quickly.

Some guys seem to let a bad play affect their confidence so they play it totally safe and you can almost see it in their body language. Brock still exudes that confident leader look and doesn't let it impact his choices.

If Brock was a stock, I'd be a buyer not a seller.
 
Scooter said:
The endzone interception yesterday can only be a bad decision. Moving right, throwing across his body to a guy who clearly wasn't able to get separation on his route - something Os knew because he was staring at his target the whole time. There wasn't a location that Brock could've thrown that ball that was safe, it wasn't a lack of execution, any throw was going to be an interception because (Miller?) got manhandled the entire route.
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Brock's post game interview said basically the same thing you are saying.

I was just speculating that a better pass could have scored, but I have not studied the specific play since it happened so my memory is obviously faulty.

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Okay, here's the game highlights.

Watching the play again, I stand by my earlier comment. There was an opportunity to make a complete pass where Peters could not have played the ball. Brock forced the pass inside, which is where it was a bad decision.
 
Double Barrel said:
Watching the play again, I stand by my earlier comment. There was an opportunity to make a complete pass where Peters could not have played the ball. Brock forced the pass inside, which is where it was a bad decision.
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And I'm going to stand by mine, Peters is going to win that ball wherever it's thrown. He's got Miller beat in both directions, the ball comes inside so he broke inside. Hell he could've gone inside to win an outside target, and as I've got the video paused at Brock's release there is zero chance of convincing me that was anything but a bad decision.
 
Scooter said:
And I'm going to stand by mine, Peters is going to win that ball wherever it's thrown. He's got Miller beat in both directions, the ball comes inside so he broke inside. Hell he could've gone inside to win an outside target, and as I've got the video paused at Brock's release there is zero chance of convincing me that was anything but a bad decision.
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The only way I see a completion there is if Osweiler throws the ball earlier, which he couldn't because our OL + Miller couldn't handle a 4 man rush.

XSF is beat. That's one we need to remember when our guys aren't getting the calls.

Allen is doing ok, until Newton is pushed behind him & the guy Allen is blocking sees a beeline to the QB.

I was disappointed in this throw, because it looked like Osweiler panicked & I want to believe we're paying him $37M over the next two years because he doesn't panic.

He should have ran it in, or threw it away. He can't make that throw, that late.
 
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thunderkyss said:
The only way I see a completion there is if Osweiler throws the ball earlier, which he couldn't because our OL + Miller couldn't handle a 4 man rush.

XSF is beat. That's one we need to remember when our guys aren't getting the calls.

Allen is doing ok, until Newton is pushed behind him & the guy Allen is blocking sees a beeline to the QB.

I was disappointed in this throw, because it looked like Osweiler panicked & I want to believe we're paying him $37M over the next two years because he doesn't panic.

He should have ran it in, or threw it away. He can't make that throw, that late.
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I don't think he panicked, he just made a bad decision. He absolutely needs to throw that ball away
 
Hey, I am one who thinks that one pass to Hopkins was a TD and should have been called one.
 
gary said:
Hey, I am one who thinks that one pass to Hopkins was a TD and should have been called one.
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Getting off topic here, but by NFL rules, it was not a catch. He did have the ball with a knee in bounds, but the ball moves when he hit the ground and he didn't secure it until he was out.

However, I think it's a stupid rule. He had it in bounds and it never hit the ground. They need to stop overthinking rules.
 
JamTex said:
This is not about grabbing attention for me. It's about our Texans and the players. Quite frankly, if you don't like a thread, or someone creating it, you don't have to visit it. It's really that simple.
If you like riding me, ok. Go ahead. I could care less. I'm a 51 year old man that has been around the block a few times, played football in high school, watched some games and love talking about them. Give me a break and just enjoy yourself brother.
Talk Texans football and quit hammering me.
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I can't help but hear Macho Man Randy Savage's voice when I read you posts. It because you use brother so much. I don't know if it's a good thing or bad thing.


Brother. Lol.
 
Hoptimus Prime said:
Getting off topic here, but by NFL rules, it was not a catch. He did have the ball with a knee in bounds, but the ball moves when he hit the ground and he didn't secure it until he was out.

However, I think it's a stupid rule. He had it in bounds and it never hit the ground. They need to stop overthinking rules.
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Well, I think if no part of the ball touches the ground then it should be a catch.
 
Key of A flat: The old gun slinger
of long long ago...
He tries to throw into tight spots but his accuracy isn't good enough for that.
 
Double Barrel said:
Brock's post game interview said basically the same thing you are saying.

I was just speculating that a better pass could have scored, but I have not studied the specific play since it happened so my memory is obviously faulty.

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Okay, here's the game highlights.

Watching the play again, I stand by my earlier comment. There was an opportunity to make a complete pass where Peters could not have played the ball. Brock forced the pass inside, which is where it was a bad decision.
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He should have thrown that one away. Very bad decision on Brock's behalf.

And if Fuller doesn't bobble that bomb Brock wouldn't have been that particular situation.
 
thunderkyss said:
The only way I see a completion there is if Osweiler throws the ball earlier, which he couldn't because our OL + Miller couldn't handle a 4 man rush.

XSF is beat. That's one we need to remember when our guys aren't getting the calls.

Allen is doing ok, until Newton is pushed behind him & the guy Allen is blocking sees a beeline to the QB.

I was disappointed in this throw, because it looked like Osweiler panicked & I want to believe we're paying him $37M over the next two years because he doesn't panic.

He should have ran it in, or threw it away. He can't make that throw, that late.
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Can we please leave the money that's being paid out of this. Every Quarterback out there tends to panic from time to time no matter what they are being paid.

How many times have we seen the great Peyton Manning panic under pressure in the playoffs? A lot Thunder.
 
Monday morning quarter back. I welcome it. It's been a long time since we had a qb who just didn't straight up suck it.
 
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JamTex said:
This is not about grabbing attention for me. It's about our Texans and the players. Quite frankly, if you don't like a thread, or someone creating it, you don't have to visit it. It's really that simple.
If you like riding me, ok. Go ahead. I could care less. I'm a 51 year old man that has been around the block a few times, played football in high school, watched some games and love talking about them. Give me a break and just enjoy yourself brother.
Talk Texans football and quit hammering me.
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Enjoy reading some of your posts so please don't take this offensively. Correct me if I'm wrong but I've seen where you stated that you were 54 yoa, 35, and now 51. Anyone else catch this?
 
Scooter said:
Throwing a deep pass doesn't make a 'gunslinger'. That's the playcall. Over the top to Fuller and sideline jump balls to Hopkins - that's what's coming into his helmet. The touchdown to Hopkins was a fake screen - sideline jump ball. That's half of O'Brien's route tree ... float it to Hopkins.

A gunslinger assumes improvisation and choosing secondary routes that are based more on instinct.

O'Brien - 'throw it deep to fuller'
Osweiler - 'ok'
Jam - 'Brett Favre!'
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I agree with this. Os has missed some wide open receivers due to locking in on his 1st or second option. I like Os and I see improvement from him. He's shown some good mobility and the ability to keep his eyes downfield. He has a bright future, imo, but right now, he's still growing into the position. I'll hold off labeling him anything until I have a sufficient body of work to judge.
 
Chance_C said:
Enjoy reading some of your posts so please don't take this offensively. Correct me if I'm wrong but I've seen where you stated that you were 54 yoa, 35, and now 51. Anyone else catch this?
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You must be thinking of someone else. July 7th 1965 is my birthday. That's gonna make me 51. And I've never posted anything different.
 
Oz's Draft Analysis 2012

Overview
Osweiler is an intriguing early-entry prospect out of Arizona State. A good athlete for the position, Osweiler was originally signed to play basketball at Gonzaga before opting to play football at ASU. He has the arm strength to be a first-day pick but hasn't shown the consistency that is characteristic of guys who deserve first-round money.

Analysis
Strengths
Osweiler has a very deliberate, quick-twitched setup. He slings the ball naturally, and even though he pats the ball before throwing, his release is so compact and effective he isn't hindered. His shining asset is his arm strength; he can hit nearly any NFL-caliber throw at this point in his career. He is a good leader and looks in control in the huddle and on the field. He has the pocket presence of a first-day pick and doesn't go down easily.
Weaknesses
Osweiler had on-the-field judgment issues and isn't reliable to protect the ball from turnovers. It seems as if he starts to get rolling in a game, and the more confidence he builds, the more of a gunslinger mentality he adopts. This severely hinders his play. When under control, early in the game, he is athletic, accurate, and a good game manager. He is likely a developmental prospect who could struggle if forced to play early.
 
Lucky said:
I can't blame McNair for his impatience. O'Brien forced the fans to endure Fitzmagic (without the magic), Mallett, Weeden, and Hoyer for 2 seasons. Something had to be done. Problem was, O'Brien and Smith were clueless.
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McNair also thought Case Keenum was going to be his QB of the future. When that failed to materialize Bob became desperate and panicky.
 
Lucky said:
I can't blame McNair for his impatience. O'Brien forced the fans to endure Fitzmagic (without the magic), Mallett, Weeden, and Hoyer for 2 seasons. Something had to be done. Problem was, O'Brien and Smith were clueless.
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To be fair to Rick Smith, what QB options did he have? The best QB FA option at that time was Osweiler. If they went through the draft, realistically they were looking at Paxton Lynch or Christian Hackenberg in the first round.
 
Corrosion said:
McNair's mandate was after the Blundering Wizard of Oz was shipped out of town - the mandate was to get one of the top QB talents in the draft. That turned out to be Watson.

I heard that conversation with my own ears.
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Leave it to RS to pick the wrong guy.
 
thunderkyss said:
So you admit now that Osweiler was O'Briens pick? That's what he said.

Just like Culley said Tim Kelly will be here, 100%
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I guess based on their past relationships, it was that dastardly RS who wanted to sign Hoyer and Mallet too. :kitten:

RS asked Kubiak which QB they should target and Kubiak says Schaub. He posed the same question to BOB and the answer was Hoyer and Mallet. Is anyone surprised that RS decided this guy was a QB BSer and not a QB whisperer?
 
thunderkyss said:
So you admit now that Osweiler was O'Briens pick? That's what he said.

Just like Culley said Tim Kelly will be here, 100%
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I’ll always contend that Osweiler was Daddy McNair’s choice b/c he was tired of all the missteps in selecting a QB. Once he made his mind up, he told RS to get the signing handled. RS executed McNair’s orders. OB was on vacation during this process and apparently became the last guy to know b/c of the statement (“I just coach the players I am given”) he made when asked about the Osweiler signing. His response never sounded like a comment of support but a comment of disdain for the team b/c they went behind his back and selected a QB of their choice.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I’ll always contend that Osweiler was Daddy McNair’s choice b/c he was tired of all the missteps in selecting a QB. Once he made his mind up, he told RS to get the signing handled. RS executed McNair’s orders. OB was on vacation during this process and apparently became the last guy to know b/c of the statement (“I just coach the players I am given”) he made when asked about the Osweiler signing. His response never sounded like a comment of support but a comment of disdain for the team b/c they went behind his back and selected a QB of their choice.
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This is exactly what happened. But also remember O’Brien endorsing Brock as well.
 
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