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Is this the most talented team we've ever had ?

Is this the most talented team the Texans have had ?

  • Is the most talented team

    Votes: 32 71.1%

  • Is not most talented team

    Votes: 13 28.9%
  • Total voters
    45
EllisUnit

EllisUnit

Vote RED!!!
I honestly feel like it is. Even if Brock turns out to be mediocre we are loaded on offense and defense. Not to mention we seem to be throwing deep more than usual IMO. We played a good defense today but I think our offense will only get better. Is this the best team we have ever had ?

On a side note do we ever run a play on offense from under center ?
 
I have to admit, last week I felt a bit of panic when Oz threw that interception in the first series. This week, even with another interception in the first series, I didn't feel like we were doomed. We have playmakers in all three phases of the game this year.

I'll drink your Kool-Aid!
 
Wolfiegrrl said:
I have to admit, last week I felt a bit of panic when Oz threw that interception in the first series. This week, even with another interception in the first series, I didn't feel like we were doomed. We have playmakers in all three phases of the game this year.

I'll drink your Kool-Aid!
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Good cause I have the best koolaid in town !
 
The great thing about BoB is he doesn't seem to dwell on bad players. If you get in his dog house and can't get out within a year or so, you are off the team and we move on. We also approached this offseason with a clear picture of what we wanted to do and be.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Tough call between this team and 2011 Texans pre Matt Schaub injury.

That team could have won the Super Bowl with prime Schaub at QB instead of rookie Yates.
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I do agree we could of, but I still feel we have better overall talent and depth than we did then.
 
I'll go with 2011 Texans.

Andre, Foster, Schaub with a 97 qbrating year, Owen Daniels. The OL was awesome.

Defensively: DeMeco, Cushing, rookie Watt, Antonio Smith, young Jonathan Joseph
 
Best QB? Juries still out. Very possible.

Best RB? No, but Miller is still a very good RB.

Best WRs? Yes, by far. Not even close.

Best o line? Nope. I think next season possibly could be, though.

Best defense? Yes. No pass rush has come close and our secondary is very good as well.

Yeah, this is the most talented Texans team ever. It just may take some time to materialize.
 
TheKDog said:
I'll go with 2011 Texans.

Andre, Foster, Schaub with a 97 qbrating year, Owen Daniels. The OL was awesome.

Defensively: DeMeco, Cushing, rookie Watt, Antonio Smith, young Jonathan Joseph
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That was a good team, really good. We have so many new offensive pieces I feel like this group will eventually be better though.
 
That 2011/12 team was hard to beat, but this team, when they get it all together and finally get that all important chemistry going, could be the best team we will ever see.
 
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JB said:
That team was good, not great. And had no depth. A few stars having very good years and that's about it. Across the board the starters wouldn't match up to this team
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I agree, our depth then until now is world's apart IMO.
 
That 2011 team was clicking on all cylinders at the right time but something tells me that we would have fell short of the SB that year as well even with Schaub healthy.

I think there is more potential with this group and coaching staff in my opinion.


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corytx8 said:
That 2011 team was clicking on all cylinders at the right time but something tells me that we would have fell short of the SB that year as well even with Schaub healthy.

I think there is more potential with this group and coaching staff in my opinion.


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And this team is probably a year or two from being all it can be
 
Better leadership from this coaching staff, hands down more dynamic weapons, defense will be even better once Cushing returns, special teams don't turn the ball over, field position, field position balance both sides of the ball & Brock's ceiling towers over Schaub any point of his infamous career :wesmantexanfan:
 
JB said:
It will take a healthy OL that has worked together for awhile to reach that point... that ain't gonna happen in 2 or 3 weeks
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The O-line isn't all that bad now. Osweiller had plenty of time. He was only sacked twice. The running game will come along. Brown will be back soon enough and it will be on.
Don't worry brother. 2 or 3 weeks isn't an impossibility for this offense to get it together. Especially since they will have 9 days after Thursday to get ready for the Titans who have to come here in week 4.
Get ready for some serious fire works brother. Osweiller loves to throw it deep and he shows no fear in doing so.
 
Not on the offensive line. There are a lot of question marks on the offense overall but a lot of reasons to be optimistic. I don't know if I'd call it the most talented. When Schaub was going to Pro Bowls and we had AJ, Kevin Walter, and Owen Daniels catching the ball we were pretty darn talented and the OL was a strength of the team. Right now we may have better wideouts but not better TE's than Daniels. No Arian Foster that I can see either.

We've been pretty talented before. It's not all about that though. We might be less talented now but a better team (or at least on our way to being one) than we were then. Maybe.
 
Hervoyel said:
Not on the offensive line. There are a lot of question marks on the offense overall but a lot of reasons to be optimistic. I don't know if I'd call it the most talented. When Schaub was going to Pro Bowls and we had AJ, Kevin Walter, and Owen Daniels catching the ball we were pretty darn talented and the OL was a strength of the team. Right now we may have better wideouts but not better TE's than Daniels. No Arian Foster that I can see either.

We've been pretty talented before. It's not all about that though. We might be less talented now but a better team (or at least on our way to being one) than we were then. Maybe.
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I dunno I think with more play time Anderson could become pretty damn good.
 
EllisUnit said:
I dunno I think with more play time Anderson could become pretty damn good.
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Well, yeah we may be on to something with him but I'm just saying that right now I can't say that we are more talented than any other Texans team. Too many young pieces just getting their legs under them. Lot of potential though.
 
Hervoyel said:
Well, yeah we may be on to something with him but I'm just saying that right now I can't say that we are more talented than any other Texans team. Too many young pieces just getting their legs under them. Lot of potential though.
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Will Fuller did not drop a pass today and collected over 100 yards again. That's a team record. No other Texans rookie has ever had 100 yards in his first 2 games. That is hard to deny. This kid is good.
 
ummm IDK I don't

I know in 2010 2011 I think our o line was much better cus it was 5 guys that had been together for years and not a mish mash like we have now ...tho due to injuries it was like Brown Wade Myers Brisle and Winston and they had played together for YEARSS!! before we split them up soon after

we have talent but we haven't proved anything so far IMO but IDK it so weird to me on Paper there a far more talented teams then us but these past 2 years our rag tag mesh of vets have just got it done on sunday against much more talented teams .....
 
Schaub - Foster - Tate - Casey - Andre - Walter - K Martin - Daniels - Graham
Brown - Smith - Myers - Brooks - Newton

Osweiler - Miller - Blue - Prosch - Hopkins - Fuller - Miller - Anderson - Feido
Brown - XSF - Mancz - Allen - Newton

Quarterback is in question with pre-broken Schaub. Receivers favor this team, Owen pulls the 11/12 team ahead at tightend. Offensive line and run game were certainly better previously.

Smith - Cody/Mitchell - Watt - Barwin - Reed - Mercilus - Cushing - Bradie James - Dobbins/Sharpton
Joseph - Jackson - McCain - Ball - Quinn - Manning

Covington - Wilfork - Watt - Mercilus - Clowney - Simon - Cushing - McKinney - Bullough
Joseph - Jackson - Johnson - Bouye - Hal - Demps

Defense is improved. Wilfork trumps Antonio Smith on the line. Linebackers are probably better now. Corners are certainly better now and outside of maybe Aaron Glenn and Marcus Coleman at their peak are the best we've seen, and one of the best units in the league. Glover Quinn and Daniel Manning were a better pair at safety.

A bit of a toss up, and we did have a pretty stout defensive lineup way back in the beginning. I'd say this is our most talented roster by a hair, with potential for that gap to grow in hindsight. But, shouldn't it be our best? We basically started from scratch between 2006 and 2008, so we've been improving the roster for about 10 years, and have done pretty well IMO.
 
also no one talks about the two last years of capers 04-05 ..??? a lot of decent good potential players forgotten players :P just couldn't gel
 
JB said:
The backup tackles were Rashad Butler and Cole Pemberton! Yeah... who?
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I actually liked Rashad Butler as the swing tackle. He stepped in well when Duane was suspended. You're also forgetting we had Derek Newton... yes, that same Newton that's now starting at RT. Our backup safety was also Quintin Demps... yes, that same Demps thats starting now.
 
I miss demco & Quinn Philly throw him out like trash I know he should reitre but god forbid if our ILB get ..... tooken out then hey LOL

could u image if we had Mario Williams and Connar Barwin has Dline Depth LOL
 
dream_team said:
I actually liked Rashad Butler as the swing tackle. He stepped in well when Duane was suspended. You're also forgetting we had Derek Newton... yes, that same Newton that's now starting at RT. Our backup safety was also Quintin Demps... yes, that same Demps thats starting now.
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Rashad Butler was a street FA that was too light, Newton was a 7th round rookie and Demps was signed off a UFL roster in December after Manning got hurt. That is not depth, that's pathetic
 
Scooter said:
Quarterback is in question with pre-broken Schaub. Receivers favor this team, Owen pulls the 11/12 team ahead at tightend. Offensive line and run game were certainly better previously.
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2011 Schaub vs Today's Osweiller? I'd take Schaub. But if you factor in potential, there's no doubt I'll go with Os. The 2011 OL+RB+TE group are MUCH more talented than the group we have today.

Kind of odd we all easily consider this group of receivers more talented than 2011, considering 2011 had the best receiver the Texans ever had, and one of the best to ever play.

Scooter said:
Defense is improved. Wilfork trumps Antonio Smith on the line. Linebackers are probably better now. Corners are certainly better now and outside of maybe Aaron Glenn and Marcus Coleman at their peak are the best we've seen, and one of the best units in the league. Glover Quinn and Daniel Manning were a better pair at safety.
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I'll take 2011 Antonio over today's Wilfork. Antonio made the pro bowl that year.
I would also take 2011 LBs over today's. Mario, Barwin, Reed, Demeco, Cushing, Dobbins... that's a tough group to beat. Now if Clowney ever meets his potential...
I agree with you on the defensive backs. I love Hal's & KJo's potential though.
 
dream_team said:
2011 Schaub vs Today's Osweiller? I'd take Schaub. But if you factor in potential, there's no doubt I'll go with Os. The 2011 OL+RB+TE group are MUCH more talented than the group we have today.

Kind of odd we all easily consider this group of receivers more talented than 2011, considering 2011 had the best receiver the Texans ever had, and one of the best to ever play.



I'll take 2011 Antonio over today's Wilfork. Antonio made the pro bowl that year.
I would also take 2011 LBs over today's. Mario, Barwin, Reed, Demeco, Cushing, Dobbins... that's a tough group to beat. Now if Clowney ever meets his potential...
I agree with you on the defensive backs. I love Hal's & KJo's potential though.
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The trouble with trying to make the assessments is assuming potential. I'm lower than anyone on Brock, but you pointed out where I put my hope over objectivity into the discussion (something I tried not to do) - what Brock CAN do against what Schaub DID do. Similar with Clowney and Simon vs Barwin and Reed. As for the receivers, you're certainly right about AJ - but Hopkins has hit 1500+ yards like AJ and has more TD's. Fuller has already proven himself better than Walter, and we're better at WR3 simply by not having Martin.

Edit: for Smith and Wilfork, the positional bias was the tie-breaker. I'm one of few who really appreciated how good Smith was for us, and it aggravated me to see him go. I'm a fan of the fat guy though (and I'm on record wanting us to draft Wilfork a million years ago), so what Vince does at NT has a slightly heavier favor from me than what Smith did at DE. We rushed 3 a few times today and Vince still put his guys in Alex's lap. No sack, no QB hit, but Smith had 2 of his lineman interfering with the throw.
 
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JB said:
Rashad Butler was a street FA that was too light, Newton was a 7th round rookie and Demps was signed off a UFL roster in December after Manning got hurt. That is not depth, that's pathetic
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Well we obviously differ in opinion... not the end of the world.

To get back to the OP's original question. I voted for 2011, because I'm comparing it to how the roster is playing today. But I really like the team's potential, and they have a chance to easily surpass 2011.
 
Scooter said:
The trouble with trying to make the assessments is assuming potential. I'm lower than anyone on Brock, but you pointed out where I put my hope over objectivity into the discussion (something I tried not to do) - what Brock CAN do against what Schaub DID do. Similar with Clowney and Simon vs Barwin and Reed. As for the receivers, you're certainly right about AJ - but Hopkins has hit 1500+ yards like AJ and has more TD's. Fuller has already proven himself better than Walter, and we're better at WR3 simply by not having Martin.
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I agree 100%! I think the reason 2016 is getting so many votes is people are factoring in potential, vs the actual results of 2011.
 
Both defenses are elite. Absolutely dominant performance today.

But the 2011 team had an elite offense too. On top of the guys mentioned you also has backup Tate run for 900+ yards and the infamous Jacoby help stretch the field.

On defense you also had Mario (only played 5 games due to injury), Barwin with 11.5 sacks and Brooks Reed with 6 sacks. Also a young Manning playing safety.
 
I think 2011 had to be the best team we've had since 92/93. Schaub's prime was so short a lot of us don't really appreciate how good he was, AJ was the best WR in the league, Foster could look at the field without pulling a labia and we had pre-injury Cush.

That defense was what we hope this one winds up being and the offense was better than anyone expects this one to be.

I don't know that it's even close. I think this team can be better but it is a long way from that point now.
TheKDog said:
Both defenses are elite. Absolutely dominant performance today.

But the 2011 team had an elite offense too. On top of the guys mentioned you also has backup Tate run for 900+ yards and the infamous Jacoby help stretch the field.

On defense you also had Mario (only played 5 games due to injury), Barwin with 11.5 sacks and Brooks Reed with 6 sacks. Also a young Manning playing safety.
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Fuller reminds me of Jacoby the way I used to gasp when the ball was in the air.
 
As far as Offense and Defense I'm relatively happy with where we're at, and could lean to most talented.
Our O-line has issues but I'm not overly worried, plus they're a MASH squad so, I'll wait to form judgement until we get whole.
Our D-line including outside LBs are by far our most talented.

However..

I'm more than a little disappointed with Special Teams in reference to kick return productivity and return coverage.
Both are suspect.
Our Special Teams were always 'special' though.
Our kickers seem to be our most talented.
 
As far as Offense and Defense I'm relatively happy with where we're at, and could lean to most talented.
Our O-line has issues but I'm not overly worried, plus they're a MASH squad so, I'll wait to form judgement until we get whole.
Our D-line including outside LBs are by far our most talented.

However..

I'm more than a little disappointed with Special Teams in reference to kick return productivity and return coverage.
Both are suspect.
Our Special Teams were always 'special' though.
Our kickers seem to be our most talented.
 
Any team led by Matt Schaub pre or post injury was not a team ready to contend in playoff atmosphere or in any important game on the national/big stage. Facts!
 
Pretty sure at one point on one team, we had a Top 12 QB, Top 2 WR, Top 2 RB, Top 2 LT, Top 5 TE, Top 5 LB, Top 5 DE and Top 5 CB.

That was the most talent by the sheer quality of the top talent. This team is deeper though, or at least more spread out. Let's hope we don't have to see that depth any further because that's what derailed that other team.
 
cstyle42 said:
Any team led by Matt Schaub pre or post injury was not a team ready to contend in playoff atmosphere or in any important game on the national/big stage. Facts!
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Schaub had a play-action fake that rivaled Manning. He may have been the best in his era as far as reading (and beating) mid and deep zone defenses. Our team was finally starting to form up when injuries made a mess of his career. It was no accident that Schaub lead the league in passing yards with Andre and Kevin Walter, nor that he was a ProBowl MVP. The past 20 years are littered with quarterbacks who have done worse than 'good Schaub' and won rings. He most certainly was capable of going all the way, sadly he only had 1 shot at it before his foot was turned into an accordion and his mind broke shortly after.
 
Scooter said:
Schaub had a play-action fake that rivaled Manning. He may have been the best in his era as far as reading (and beating) mid and deep zone defenses. Our team was finally starting to form up when injuries made a mess of his career. It was no accident that Schaub lead the league in passing yards with Andre and Kevin Walter, nor that he was a ProBowl MVP. The past 20 years are littered with quarterbacks who have done worse than 'good Schaub' and won rings. He most certainly was capable of going all the way, sadly he only had 1 shot at it before his foot was turned into an accordion and his mind broke shortly after.
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Yup. Too bad.
 
Osweiler is better than Schaub in his prime and has a much higher ceiling. That is making the biggest difference right now out of anything. He puts the ball where it needs to be, 90+ percent of the time. Can't wait to see how he improves. BOB, next order of business should be to build an amazing line around him and we will be basically unstoppable. Protect him ASAP so he doesn't turn into a fetal-position QB like Schaub. We see this happening with Andrew Luck at the moment. Luck has been sacked 380 something times since joining the league. No one can last that type of punishment.

D-Hop and Fuller are the next best reasons we are succeeding right now.

Followed closely by our pass rush (Watt, Clowney, Merciless)

Those 3 reasons are why we are killing it.

Everything else is meh and total expendable.

Lamar Miller is pretty good, but nothing extraordinary so far.
 
JamTex said:
Will Fuller did not drop a pass today and collected over 100 yards again. That's a team record. No other Texans rookie has ever had 100 yards in his first 2 games. That is hard to deny. This kid is good.
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Only 2 rookie WRs have started their careers with back to back 100 yard games: Looney in 1940, and Desean Jackson in 2008.

If Fuller and Osweiler continue to develop, we're going to be scary good.
 
Schaub had a good play action, but so what? It doesn't really matter when be had little accuracy beyond 25 yards and couldn't throw it far enough to hit flying receivers 9 out of 10 times.
 
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