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Brock Osweiller...Gun Slinger!

JamTex

JamTex

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In game 1 against the Bears, Brock threw the ball for 231 yards, 2 TD's and an Int.
In game 2 against the Chiefs, he threw for 268 yards, 1 TD and 2 Int's.
He is not afraid to throw the deep, intermediate or short routes.
He trusts his receiver to catch it no matter what.
So he throws an Int. He'll throw more TD's.
This kid is a fearless gun slinger. He'll sling the ball into the tightest spots just because he thinks he can.
Remind you of anyone? (Brett Farve)
He'll throw his interceptions. But he doesn't worry about it. He seriously thinks his receivers and defense will bail him out and he'll live to the next play.
The thing is, he will.
This is what we've been waiting for. A guy that will lead, be a real gun slinger, and live for the next play no matter what happened on the last.
He has the good stuff. Let's just watch it bloom in front of us.
 
its to early to tell .... Now Fitz that was a gun slinger

Brock ....Well so far he his a much better car driver While Billy&Godsey in the passenger seat are coming up with these gameplan plays


u can usually tell how much of a GS u are by how much your coach gets mad at U and well Billy seemed to grill Mallett and Fitz a lot more then Brock

and Kubes with Matt esp ....near the end was like WTF to Scahub prob gave him a stroke on how bad it was LOL
 
Ummm. No. He's nothing like Favre. He's hardly looked like a 'gunslinger'. He's thrown as many TD's as INT's. His deep ball is a designed play to Fuller, not some chaotic hail mary that lands on a dime.

This post isn't even koolaid, it's just silly. I'm wearing my #17 as I type, if you're going to praise the kid it should at least make sense.
 
I'll put it to you like this.
Osweiller hit Fuller for a 52 yard gain that put the Texans at the 2 yard line. On the next play, Osweiller tried to hit Braxton at the goal line only to throw an Int to the Chiefs that was returned to the 22 yard line. The next play, the ball was snapped over Smith's head for a fumble that JJ recovered. What happened on the very next play? Osweiller made a 3 step drop and launched the ball down the right side line to Hopkins for a 35 yard TD. No fear. He trusted Hop to get it and score and that's exactly what happened.
The guy has no fear and forgets the mistakes he made earlier.
He really believes that no matter what, he's going to win.
That's a gun slinger.
 
DBCooper said:
He needs to stop slinging it to the other team.
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I'm with you. I don't like the Int's either, but if he's going to come right back and get a touch down, I'm good with his mentality.
The point is, he doesn't play to lose. He wants to win no matter what, and he doesn't let an Int get him down. He gets right back up and throws it deep.
 
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I'm with you. I don't like the Int's either, but if he's going to come right back and get a touch down, I'm good with his mentality.
The point is, he doesn't play to lose. He wants to win no matter what, and he doesn't let an Int get him down. He gets right back up and throws it deep.
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He's throwing too tight, forcing the window sometimes.
 
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He's throwing too tight, forcing the window sometimes.
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Yes he does. He's not afraid of those tight windows. He really thinks his receiver will win that battle. It's scary, but hey. Who are we to stop him?
He's going to throw Int's. Let's get used to that. But, he's going to get right back out there and throw an incredible strike.
He shows no fear. That's what I'm saying. 2 weeks. 2 games. 3 Int's to 3 TD's. Both wins with Osweiller throwing the ball all over the place.
He just reminds me of Brett the way he plays is all.
 
JamTex said:
But Brock has thrown 3 TD's. Your point is? Keenum isn't a smart player dude, and isn't even close to this conversation.
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Case keenum was throwing more TDs that season than Brock. He threw 3 to Andre Johnson in a week i believe against colts and KC, he was on fire, but we were still loosing games every week.
 
I definitely see the fearlessness in him!

I hope he learns when to unleash the gunslinger and when to be patient
 
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Yes he does. He's not afraid of those tight windows. He really thinks his receiver will win that battle. It's scary, but hey. Who are we to stop him?
He's going to throw Int's. Let's get used to that. But, he's going to get right back out there and throw an incredible strike.
He shows no fear. That's what I'm saying. 2 weeks. 2 games. 3 Int's to 3 TD's. Both wins with Osweiller throwing the ball all over the place.
He just reminds me of Brett the way he plays is all.
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I like Brock, I like his mentality.

He's gotta stop the preventable interceptions if we really want to compete.
 
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I like Brock, I like his mentality.

He's gotta stop the preventable interceptions if we really want to compete.
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I agree, at the same time, I say throw that ball with no fear. That's already won some games. 2 of them to be exact.
 
Throwing a deep pass doesn't make a 'gunslinger'. That's the playcall. Over the top to Fuller and sideline jump balls to Hopkins - that's what's coming into his helmet. The touchdown to Hopkins was a fake screen - sideline jump ball. That's half of O'Brien's route tree ... float it to Hopkins.

A gunslinger assumes improvisation and choosing secondary routes that are based more on instinct.

O'Brien - 'throw it deep to fuller'
Osweiler - 'ok'
Jam - 'Brett Favre!'
 
Scooter said:
Throwing a deep pass doesn't make a 'gunslinger'. That's the playcall. Over the top to Fuller and sideline jump balls to Hopkins - that's what's coming into his helmet. The touchdown to Hopkins was a fake screen - sideline jump ball. That's half of O'Brien's route tree ... float it to Hopkins.

A gunslinger assumes improvisation and choosing secondary routes that are based more on instinct.

O'Brien - 'throw it deep to fuller'
Osweiler - 'ok'
Jam - 'Brett Favre!'
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Ok. How bout that call last week that got Fuller his touchdown? That was improvisation. Osweiller saw a look and called the audible at the line for a play that wasn't even in the game plan. Result...Will fuller caught a screen and bolted for a touchdown.
 
JamTex said:
Ok. How bout that call last week that got Fuller his touchdown? That was improvisation. Osweiller saw a look and called the audible at the line for a play that wasn't even in the game plan. Result...Will fuller caught a screen and bolted for a touchdown.
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Your ability to discuss deeper football matters, involving scheme and procedure, is put on hold until you say something less ignorant. I appreciate the hyper-fandom, but I assumed you had more of a knowledge base than you're proving.
 
Scooter said:
Your ability to discuss deeper football matters, involving scheme and procedure, is put on hold until you say something less ignorant. I appreciate the hyper-fandom, but I assumed you had more of a knowledge base than you're proving.
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Really? And what was your take on that play? It wasn't the play that was called. Brock did make the audible into that screen. It wasn't in the game plan. Both Brock and O'brien said as much.
You explain it.
 
JamTex said:
Really? And what was your take on that play? It wasn't the play that was called. Brock did make the audible into that screen. It wasn't in the game plan. Both Brock and O'brien said as much.
You explain it.
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I'm going to have to hear this quote by Brock and O'Brien. Either you're full of it, or failing spectacularly trying to say what you mean.
 
Scooter said:
I'm going to have to hear this quote by Brock and O'Brien. Either you're full of it, or failing spectacularly trying to say what you mean.
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Just go back and look at last weeks interviews from both. You'll see them. They are all on houstontexans.com
 
JamTex said:
Just go back and look at last weeks interviews from both. You'll see them. They are all on houstontexans.com
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'We had talked about during the week 'if we got a certain look from the Bear's defense' I recognized it and (sic) we were fortunate to get the check in there'.

Kinda blows your 'not part of the gameplan' out of the water. Re-reading your posts, I'm willing to concede that you have misused the word 'gameplan' (and add questions to what you think an audible is), thus creating confusion. Your language made it sound like Brock drew up a play in the dirt.
 
Scooter said:
I'm going to have to hear this quote by Brock and O'Brien. Either you're full of it, or failing spectacularly trying to say what you mean.
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Ok. In Brocks interview, he did say it was something that they had talked about during the week if they got a certain look. So they had practiced that play, and it was a check down that Brock saw and took advantage of. Look at his interview about 5 minutes into it. He talks about this play.
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-med...Osweiler/3fa22944-0ca9-40da-afca-a5609304c4e3
 
Scooter said:
'We had talked about during the week 'if we got a certain look from the Bear's defense' I recognized it and (sic) we were fortunate to get the check in there'.

Kinda blows your 'not part of the gameplan' out of the water. Re-reading your posts, I'm willing to concede that you have misused the word 'gameplan' (and add questions to what you think an audible is), thus creating confusion. Your language made it sound like Brock drew up a play in the dirt.
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Oh no. I think it was in the 40's that quarterbacks drew plays in the dirt. lol But considering the Texans play on an artificial playing field, it would be quite impossible to draw a play up in the dirt. lol
But, I will concede to that play that was actually being discussed and that if Brock got the look he wanted, it could be used. They obviously practice that play, but, at the same time, it wasn't part of the game plan. Another play was called by Godsey after all.
 
The point is, we haven't seen this kind of arm since Schaub's 2009 to 2012 seasons when he was throwing the ball every where.
Actually, I think Brock throws the ball with a little more reckless abandon then Matt did.
We'll see how it goes as the season progresses.
He just seems to me like a guy that likes to sling the rock and isn't afraid to.
 
JamTex said:
My grammar sucks tonight. I don't know why. It must be the beer.
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I'm on my 4th whiskey so we're probably saying the same thing - sideways.

Brock checked into the screen. What he checked into was an option built into the playcall - he didn't yell out 'we're running the screen!!!'. It was one of at most 3 options. The called play is 1, and his primary audible is 2 (run) ... if the defense shows a perfect setting (as practiced) he can select the screen audible at any time based on his offensive formation.

Edit: still nothing he's done points to 'not afraid to throw it around'. If anything he's too locked on a target. Where your argument fails is that his first lock is a deep throw. If he was winging it to the 3rd read on a deep post, you'd have an argument. Brock so far has been VERY 'one, two, dump'. And two isn't getting a lot of attention because O'Brien and his staff are near the worst I've seen about combo and complimentary routes.
 
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I'm on my 4th whiskey so we're probably saying the same thing - sideways.

Brock checked into the screen. What he checked into was an option built into the playcall - he didn't yell out 'we're running the screen!!!'. It was one of at most 3 options. The called play is 1, and his primary audible is 2 (run) ... if the defense shows a perfect setting (as practiced) he can select the screen audible at any time based on his offensive formation.
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Makes good since. But I think Brock is allowed a little more the just 3 audibles at the line based on what he see from the defense. He's given more leeway then Schaub was ever given in play calling and audibles. This isn't a Kubiak offense after all. But yes, it was an option that he chose based on a look he saw.
 
It's going to be fun to watch what he does from here on out. Really looking forward to what he sees and calls during the New England game. That will be a real test of his skills.
 
Mollywhopper said:
I've said as much elsewhere. Would you like some more attention?
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This is not about grabbing attention for me. It's about our Texans and the players. Quite frankly, if you don't like a thread, or someone creating it, you don't have to visit it. It's really that simple.
If you like riding me, ok. Go ahead. I could care less. I'm a 51 year old man that has been around the block a few times, played football in high school, watched some games and love talking about them. Give me a break and just enjoy yourself brother.
Talk Texans football and quit hammering me.
 
JamTex said:
Makes good since. But I think Brock is allowed a little more the just 3 audibles at the line based on what he see from the defense. He's given more leeway then Schaub was ever given in play calling and audibles. This isn't a Kubiak offense after all. But yes, it was an option that he chose based on a look he saw.
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Peyton had 3. No, Brock has A, B and 'if angels sing and you get this look you can call C'. Brock isn't Mox, he can't call the oopty ufcking oop because he feels like it. Seriously that's the impression you give. Brock isn't Peyton, he doesn't even get to call option B without an obvious need. What offense do you think we're running? Study. Brady doesn't get to call his own plays because that would mess up Belichick's grand design - such as having a sneaky fullback go for 100+ yards. Coaches are generals. Kubiak would abuse a play in week 4 to set up it's counter in week 12. O'Brien works similarly (I hope), there is a bigger scheme than allowing Oz to call his own plays and hope for the best.
 
Scooter said:
Peyton had 3. No, Brock has A, B and 'if angels sing and you get this look you can call C'. Brock isn't Mox, he can't call the oopty ufcking oop because he feels like it. Seriously that's the impression you give. Brock isn't Peyton, he doesn't even get to call option B without an obvious need. What offense do you think we're running? Study. Brady doesn't get to call his own plays because that would mess up Belichick's grand design - such as having a sneaky fullback go for 100+ yards. Coaches are generals. Kubiak would abuse a play in week 4 to set up it's counter in week 12. O'Brien works similarly (I hope), there is a bigger scheme than allowing Oz to call his own plays and hope for the best.
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O'brien expects his quarterback to be smart enough to get the team in a position to make a good play. Sure he won't let the quarterback play out of his scheme, but at the same time, if his quarterback sees a hole, he expects his quarterback to take advantage of it. Brady does it all the time. He has his checks and plays to check into at the line. No one is like Peyton. Not even Brady. Peyton was like an offensive coordinator on the field. Brock will do as he learns. He has learned from the best so far. Let's see what he does with what he learned.
 
JamTex said:
O'brien expects his COORDINATOR to be smart enough to get the team in a position to make a good play.
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He ALLOWS his quarterback to check out of that play if he sees an opportunity or an obvious flaw in the initial call. Brock does NOT have the authority to call his own plays. He has a very defined framework to work within that has been studied and practiced.
 
Scooter said:
He ALLOWS his quarterback to check out of that play if he sees an opportunity or an obvious flaw in the initial call. Brock does NOT have the authority to call his own plays. He has a very defined framework to work within that has been studied and practiced.
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And such is every team. Brock knows the scheme and game plan every week. He won't go outside of the parameters, but he does seem to get the team in good plays. I suspect he'll get better at reading defenses as he gains experience in this league. His reads will get better and his release will get faster as he gains more experience and confidence. He'll also get better at check downs and audibles at the line when they are needed. O'brien and Godsey teach him, and he performs.
 
JamTex said:
And such is every team. Brock knows the scheme and game plan every week. He won't go outside of the parameters, but he does seem to get the team in good plays. I suspect he'll get better at reading defenses as he gains experience in this league. His reads will get better and his release will get faster as he gains more experience and confidence. He'll also get better at check downs and audibles at the line when they are needed. O'brien and Godsey teach him, and he performs.
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No argument from me, outside of your contradictions and ignorance regarding x's and o's. I don't have a lot of faith in Oz, and have much less in O'Brien. BUT, both seem to be learning and improving at a rate that as a fan I can be excited about. I've blasted Oz since college, and am wearing a #17 jersey as I post that. As I keep posting in spite of myself, we're going to be pretty dang good - both individually and as a team.
 
Scooter said:
No argument from me, outside of your contradictions and ignorance regarding x's and o's. I don't have a lot of faith in Oz, and have much less in O'Brien. BUT, both seem to be learning and improving at a rate that as a fan I can be excited about. I've blasted Oz since college, and am wearing a #17 jersey as I post that. As I keep posting in spite of myself, we're going to be pretty dang good - both individually and as a team.
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I'm looking forward to it brother. I'm no coach, I'm just a fan. But I do know a little about what's going on on that field. I'm not lost when I watch a game. I see the checks and audibles at the line and can tell when Brock is checking into another play. Do I know the names of the plays? Some of them, yes, some of them I have no idea. I could care less about that though. I just want to enjoy the games. I'm too old to worry about X's and O's. But Brock, Lamar, DeAndre and Will have me very excited. And they're not the only ones. This defense is incredible too.
 
The thing that I've seen from Brock is that he throws the ball all over the place to different receivers. He doesn't throw to just one or two guys. He really spreads it around. Not only that, but he delivers the ball to every level on the field. Check downs, short passes, intermediate passes and deep passes. He's not afraid to sling it. That's why I'm calling him a gun slinger. Sure he practices it, but he also makes reads and delivers the ball where he wants to put it and believes his receiver will make the catch. He throws deep to wide open receivers, he throws into small windows, he throws it into tiny creases. That's why I call him a gun slinger. He's just not afraid to unleash it.
 
Scooter said:
Ummm. No. He's nothing like Favre. He's hardly looked like a 'gunslinger'. He's thrown as many TD's as INT's. His deep ball is a designed play to Fuller, not some chaotic hail mary that lands on a dime.

This post isn't even koolaid, it's just silly. I'm wearing my #17 as I type, if you're going to praise the kid it should at least make sense.
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I mean to be fair Favre threw a crap ton of INTs as well. Brock does look deep a lot though, I will say that.
 
EllisUnit said:
I mean to be fair Favre threw a crap ton of INTs as well. Brock does look deep a lot though, I will say that.
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Favre threw INT's because he was trying to win the game on every play. Either scrambling around for 847 seconds or heaving it downfield for the 21-point play. Brock is throwing INT's right now because he is not having good placement on some of his passes. He seems to throw to the defender side of the receiver a lot. I don't mind the decision making, and I think he has the arm to get it into the places that he is trying to throw. He just needs to get better at putting in where only his guy has a chance to make a play on the ball.
 
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