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Brian Flores lawsuit, etc.

Texian said:
Let's say the NFL mandates that 50% of administration and coaching jobs go to minorities and people of color. Then would it be equally as fair to mandate that 50% of the players be white?
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I don't know what the right way to do it is, but this isn't it.

At the same time, when the league near 80% black, but you only have 1 black HC, something isn't quite right. There's systemic nepotism in the NFL, and that has to be broken so that more people get a real look when opportunities come up. The most effective way to do it is from bottom up, but I'm not sure the Rooney rule has been working as intended (and I believe it had good intentions).
 
Porky said:
LOL. I'm pretty sure that Flores just signed his own death certificate (analogy alert) for a good long time. Nobody is going to want to touch him in the NF
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Texian said:
Flores is likely to be a HC again as soon as Kaepernick becomes a starting QB in the NFL.
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There's another big business that will have zero problems hiring Brian Flores. And they pay pretty well, too.

College Football.
 
paycheck71 said:
I don't know what the right way to do it is, but this isn't it.

At the same time, when the league near 80% black, but you only have 1 black HC, something isn't quite right. There's systemic nepotism in the NFL, and that has to be broken so that more people get a real look when opportunities come up. The most effective way to do it is from bottom up, but I'm not sure the Rooney rule has been working as intended (and I believe it had good intentions).
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A month ago, there were 3 (9%). There have also been 2 black head coaches in Super Bowl at the same time. What is the magic number that will be satisfactory? Each is a snapshot in time. The media seizes the moment. Blacks' makeup 14% of the population, is 14% an acceptable number? If not, what is and who decides? 12% of OC are black; 34% of DC are black and 19% of general managers are black. Are those acceptable numbers? Do they count for anything?
 
Lucky said:
There's another big business that will have zero problems hiring Brian Flores. And they pay pretty well, too.

College Football.
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I guess I should have done a better job clarifying my comments, a HC again in the NFL.
 
Racism is obviously an issue with NFL management (see the organized blackballing of Kaep). Coaching has deep seated issues with nepotism and a good-ole-boy system. That McCown is seriously being considered for a job he isn't qualified for just due to his buddies kind of exposes a lot about the system.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Racism is obviously an issue with NFL management (see the organized blackballing of Kaep). Coaching has deep seated issues with nepotism and a good-ole-boy system. That McCown is seriously being considered for a job he isn't qualified for just due to his buddies kind of exposes a lot about the system.
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pro sports in general, not just the NFL. People talk about the NFL and how many minority HC and owners there are being out of balance…they’re only talking about black and white players. MLB has a large contingent of Latin Americans that are disproportionately discriminated against too.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Watch the video!
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Couple of good points.
  • Rooney rule was revised to specify two candidates must be outside the organization because of sham interviews
  • The Gruden eMail may have relevance

But I honestly don't know how to fix the problem. The NYGiants wouldn't have interviewed anyone (minority or not) if they were able to do what they wanted to do from the get go. This is more nepotism than racism.

This "systemic" problem starts way before a guy is looking at a HC gig. Look at how new coaches build their staff. It's the same thing because that's how you get from TE coach to QB coach to OC to HC.

9 open NFL jobs open this offseason. How many young up & comers are minority?
 
TexansBull said:
From what I understood from other posters if his current contract is voided it will go back to his rookie contract removing that no-trade clause.
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FYI, last year was the 5th & final year of his rookie deal. If the extension is voided, he's an UFA
 
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thunderkyss said:
Couple of good points.
  • Rooney rule was revised to specify two candidates must be outside the organization because of sham interviews
  • The Gruden eMail may have relevance

But I honestly don't know how to fix the problem. The NYGiants wouldn't have interviewed anyone (minority or not) if they were able to do what they wanted to do from the get go. This is more nepotism than racism.

This "systemic" problem starts way before a guy is looking at a HC gig. Look at how new coaches build their staff. It's the same thing because that's how you get from TE coach to QB coach to OC to HC.

9 open NFL jobs open this offseason. How many young up & comers are minority?
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And a question about Flores. He seemed to be fine with that 100 K offer until he didn’t get the Giants job....
 
Texian said:
A month ago, there were 3 (9%). There have also been 2 black head coaches in Super Bowl at the same time. What is the magic number that will be satisfactory? Each is a snapshot in time. The media seizes the moment. Blacks' makeup 14% of the population, is 14% an acceptable number? If not, what is and who decides? 12% of OC are black; 34% of DC are black and 19% of general managers are black. Are those acceptable numbers? Do they count for anything?
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Since the Rooney rule was established there have been 129 HC openings. 17 went to black coaches.

I heard that on the radio & didn't verify.

But it points to a problem.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Optics. This was 2019? Why wait until now? It’s questionable if he got the Giants job that he would have ever mentioned the offer.
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According to his statement he wasn't good with it & told the owner it wasn't going to happen.
djohn2oo8 said:
I think Flores knew others were getting paid to tank. And is now using it as an out because he got fired.
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Stretch.
 
thunderkyss said:
Since the Rooney rule was established there have been 129 HC openings. 17 went to black coaches.

I heard that on the radio & didn't verify.

But it points to a problem.
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So 80% (one of the numbers I saw up thread) of the players being black isn’t a problem?
 
Speedy said:
So 80% (one of the numbers I saw up thread) of the players being black isn’t a problem?
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Player selections are based on objective criteria, like at the combine. When you start seeing WRs with 5.5 forty times getting drafted over more "qualified" athletes, then there might be a problem.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Racism is obviously an issue with NFL management (see the organized blackballing of Kaep). Coaching has deep seated issues with nepotism and a good-ole-boy system. That McCown is seriously being considered for a job he isn't qualified for just due to his buddies kind of exposes a lot about the system.
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Who is empowered to determine whether McCown is, or is not, qualified?
 
Imagine giving a **** about how many X there are in Y.

Good grief. This society is broken as ****.

Worthless ass country inventing **** to be upset about because previous generations did such a good job eliminating practically everything we had to worry about and now we got all sorts of **** to worry about again and practically all of it caused by terrible decision after terrible decision by the populace.

Dumb place. Dumb people. Bored, spoiled people.
 
thunderkyss said:
Player selections are based on objective criteria, like at the combine. When you start seeing WRs with 5.5 forty times getting drafted over more "qualified" athletes, then there might be a problem.
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Got it. So as long as there’s criteria to be met then everything is fine. And there shouldn’t be anymore whining about there not being enough black QBs, right?

Look, this whole Rooney Rule business is fucked, but Flores was an NFL head coach. Now he’s crying racism because he got fired and hasn’t been hired yet? I could spout off a ton of white guys that’s happened to.

The deal with Ross setting up an illegal meeting with a QB and the deal about being paid extra to lose, I think that’s the bigger issues here. But because the dude is black, we’re going to throw the race card in there too.

Not saying that couldn’t be an issue, and if it is, should be addressed, but there’s enough to go on without turning it into another ******* race war.
 
Number19 said:
Who is empowered to determine whether McCown is, or is not, qualified?
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What qualifications does a guy with no college or NFL experience have to be a head coach?

I don't have a problem with Easterby and Caserio robbing a money mark owner to get their buddies jobs, but the football team is going to be unwatchable.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
Imagine giving a **** about how many X there are in Y.

Good grief. This society is broken as ****.

Worthless ass country inventing **** to be upset about because previous generations did such a good job eliminating practically everything we had to worry about and now we got all sorts of **** to worry about again and practically all of it caused by terrible decision after terrible decision by the populace.

Dumb place. Dumb people. Bored, spoiled people.
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????
 
Speedy said:
Look, this whole Rooney Rule business is ****, but Flores was an NFL head coach. Now he’s crying racism because he got fired and hasn’t been hired yet?
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I'm sure this whole thing is going to get convoluted & all kinds of issues are going to be thrown into this.

But right now, the Rooney rule is the issue Flores is calling on the table. Interviews being scheduled to "satisfy" the rule.

Racism is the context in which the rule is written.


Speedy said:
But because the dude is black, we’re going to throw the race card in there too.
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Because he's black & racism is the issue the race card will be thrown around.

But yeah, the tampering & tanking are going to get lost in the churn.


Speedy said:
but there’s enough to go on without turning it into another ******* race war.
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He's challenging the implementation of the Rooney rule. If folks can reasonably look at & discuss the implementation then there's no need for a war. But if people let their emotions get the best of them, war is inevitable
 
The1ApplePie said:
What qualifications does a guy with no college or NFL experience have to be a head coach?

I don't have a problem with Easterby and Caserio robbing a money mark owner to get their buddies jobs, but the football team is going to be unwatchable.
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I'm not being paid to set the qualifications.
 
Texian said:
Why? This is counterproductive to the Commitment of Excellence.
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Equity, as it is used today, refers to fairness. People should be treated uniquely to compensate for different circumstances. Is it socially fair for blacks to comprise 80% of the players just because they are better? :-J
 
Number19 said:
Equity, as it is used today, refers to fairness. People should be treated uniquely to compensate for different circumstances. Is it socially fair for blacks to comprise 80% of the players just because they are better? :-J
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Are you telling me that black players can play, but black coaches can't coach? And that's why there's only 1 black head coach left in the league after this season?
 
austins23 said:
Major conspiracy theory alert…

what if, what if some of these owners have some of the officials in their pockets? Now that betting on NFL is legal. I know, major stretch, but…..

If Flores and Hue Jackson have proof of this (payment for losing) why would the owners reach out to officials to double down?
Just thinkin out loud. Unlikely but possible.
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I've been trying to tell posters the NFL's rigged for yrs.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
I like how all these sports media, fans and writers who actively encouraged, promoted, joked about and straight up cheered losing on purpose for years (The Process! Tank for Trevor! McDavid! Eichel! The Astros) are now suddenly coming out against it and are acting all indignant about it because of whatever reason. And now they suddenly care about "the norms!" and "the integrity!"

Such sanctimonious, transparent bullshit.
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Yep, I'm all for tanking if you have no chance at winning a SB in theory.

However come gameday I always want the Texans to win.
 
The Rooney rule in and of itself is racist. The NFL is forcing teams to interview people based on their skin color.

As an owner or manager of a company, if I know who I want to hire for the position, I should be able to hire that person. Why should I waste my time, and the time of the individual, to interview someone that I have no intention of hiring? But I still have to interview that person because someone said it was racist not to.

How about hiring the person that is right for the job, no matter what their skin color might be? You know, I just had a novel idea. Why don't we judge people by the content of their character, and not by the color of their skin?

IMHO, the Giants did nothing wrong. They had already decided on who they were going to hire, but they still went forward with the interview of Flores to meet the conditions of the Rooney rule. They did what they were supposed to do. Don't blame them for following the rules. Blame the rule.
 
vtech9 said:
The Rooney rule in and of itself is racist. The NFL is forcing teams to interview people based on their skin color.

As an owner or manager of a company, if I know who I want to hire for the position, I should be able to hire that person. Why should I waste my time, and the time of the individual, to interview someone that I have no intention of hiring? But I still have to interview that person because someone said it was racist not to.

How about hiring the person that is right for the job, no matter what their skin color might be? You know, I just had a novel idea. Why don't we judge people by the content of their character, and not by the color of their skin?

IMHO, the Giants did nothing wrong. They had already decided on who they were going to hire, but they still went forward with the interview of Flores to meet the conditions of the Rooney rule. They did what they were supposed to do. Don't blame them for following the rules. Blame the rule.
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Do you know why the rule exists? I don’t think you comprehend why it does
 
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djohn2oo8 said:
Do you know why the rule exists?
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Yes, I know why the rule exists. However, because the rule exists, you will always have these token interviews.

If you've got an old racist owner that doesn't want to hire a black HC, do you think this rule will make him hire a black HC? The answer is no. He'll do his token interviews to abide by the rule, and then go out and hire the guy he wanted all along.
 
vtech9 said:
Yes, I know why the rule exists. However, because the rule exists, you will always have these token interviews.

If you've got an old racist owner that doesn't want to hire a black HC, do you think this rule will make him hire a black HC? The answer is no. He'll do his token interviews to abide by the rule, and then go out and hire the guy he wanted all along.
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….or show up drunk and hungover for the interview like Elway supposedly did. I guess that would show Flores how serious the Broncos and Elway were about his interview.

They got to check the box and could now focus on their true candidates. The Rooney Rule has its merits but can be circumvented far too easily. At times, can make this whole HC hiring process a complete charade.
 
thunderkyss said:
Since the Rooney rule was established there have been 129 HC openings. 17 went to black coaches.

I heard that on the radio & didn't verify.

But it points to a problem.
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That is very close to the national black population %. So, you don't like the national % as a measuring stick? Then what is the acceptable minimum? When you take into account all coaches and administration jobs in the NFL held by blacks the % far exceeds the 14%. Does that count for anything?
 
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