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Brian Flores lawsuit, etc.

I kinda think even though these revelations are about TB12 and not Watson…there is no smoke without fire…Watson has been partying on boats with Miami Dolphins players, they have pursued him and made that known in the media.
I’m sure some tampering has taken place.
 
Texian said:
Just thinking out loud here......why would an owner have to offer his head coach $100K for each game he loses? Could the owner not just tell his HC that the top priority for the team in 2019 is to have the #1 pick in the 2020 draft?
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matching just thinking out loud

1) negative effects on a coach's record...influencing that coaches ability to be hired again
2) Flores may have balked at the idea...most people in football don't like to lose...the organization has to tank not coaches and players
 
Lucky said:
Saying the quiet part aloud. This will have repercussions with the public and the league's gambling partners.
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If it can be proven to be true. Sure. Right now, there is a disgruntled employee with a known history of having a personality behavior disorder making accusations.
 
I'm not going to blame Flores for filing suit, but it is bad timing on his part. By filing suit now, he almost guarantees that he won't get another HC job in the near future. I think he should have waited until after he either landed a spot, or all of the spots were filled. From now on, he will be looked at as a contrarian and/or a potential problem. No owner wants to deal with that. If I had been considering him for the HC job in Houston, I'm not now. We have enough problems with WD40, and don't need any more distractions from a new HC going through a lawsuit against the NFL.
 
vtech9 said:
I'm not going to blame Flores for filing suit, but it is bad timing on his part. By filing suit now, he almost guarantees that he won't get another HC job in the near future. I think he should have waited until after he either landed a spot, or all of the spots were filled. From now on, he will be looked at as a contrarian and/or a potential problem. No owner wants to deal with that. If I had been considering him for the HC job in Houston, I'm not now. We have enough problems with WD40, and don't need any more distractions from a new HC going through a lawsuit against the NFL.
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Exactly. Seems like a guy who will force problems if he doesn’t get his way. And the tanking part seems very suspect.
 
vtech9 said:
I'm not going to blame Flores for filing suit, but it is bad timing on his part. By filing suit now, he almost guarantees that he won't get another HC job in the near future. I think he should have waited until after he either landed a spot, or all of the spots were filled. From now on, he will be looked at as a contrarian and/or a potential problem. No owner wants to deal with that. If I had been considering him for the HC job in Houston, I'm not now. We have enough problems with WD40, and don't need any more distractions from a new HC going through a lawsuit against the NFL.
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I think doing it now shows his determination to the cause. He knows what this means about getting another job... possibly ever.

He probably also thought about landing a job & then... not being able to sue his employer, the NFL. That would have been disingenuous of him to get a job then drop the lawsuit. It would also hurt his character if he waited until his coaching career was over.
 
vtech9 said:
I'm not going to blame Flores for filing suit, but it is bad timing on his part. By filing suit now, he almost guarantees that he won't get another HC job in the near future. I think he should have waited until after he either landed a spot, or all of the spots were filled. From now on, he will be looked at as a contrarian and/or a potential problem. No owner wants to deal with that. If I had been considering him for the HC job in Houston, I'm not now. We have enough problems with WD40, and don't need any more distractions from a new HC going through a lawsuit against the NFL.
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His cred is shot if he does that. "Thank for another opportunity to lead an NFL franchise, but y'all's hiring practices are trash bro." & if you read his statements & heard his subsequent TV appearances, he knew this was likely it for him. He didn't just fly off the handle and file suit b/c he wasn't getting interviews either. This topic has probably been talked about in the NFL minority coaching community for a minute now & actually threatened to bubble to the surface last year with Duece Staley and the eagles. Flores just decided to be the guy to bring it to the forefront this year. & yeah, after the bad dealings with Ross and then subsequently getting fired for trying to win games, i'm sure he does have a little bit of an axe to grind with him.
 
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JB said:
Everyone here is focusing on the racial issue and that is a big deal. But I think the attempt to force the throwing of games is just as huge! That's tampering with the integrity of the game
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Yep. Even more twisted is Ross investing in a gambling company:

Stephen Ross was reported in Nov. 2019 to have invested into a sports gambling startup as part of a $17.5M fundraising round. https://gamblingnews.com/news/nfls-owner-stephen-ross-invests-in-betting-analytics-platform-action-network/ If an NFL team owner is investing in sports gambling while incentivizing his head coach to lose games, that's a gigantic issue.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1488641191864418314

Mr teX said:
His cred is shot if he does that. "Thank for another opportunity to lead this franchise, but y'all's hiring practices are trash bro." & if you read his statements & heard his subsequent TV appearances, he knew this was likely it for him. He didn't just fly off the handle and file suit b/c he wasn't getting interviews either. This topic has probably been talked about in the NFL minority coaching community for a minute now & actually threatened to bubble to the surface last year with Duece Staley and the eagles. Flores just decided to be the guy to bring it to the forefront this year. & yeah, after the bad dealings with Ross and then subsequently getting fired for trying to win games, i'm sure he does have a little bit of an axe to grind with him.
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I don't know how to fix it, but it's certainly an on-going issue and terrible optics for the league. Saw this on PFT this morning:

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Well this lawsuit certainly takes 2 of our HC candidates out of the running. No normal owner would hire Flores after this. It also takes McCown out of the running as no normal owner would hire a lilly white guy with no coaching experience.
Oh wait! Cal is anything but normal.
 
Double Barrel said:
I don't know how to fix it, but it's certainly an on-going issue and terrible optics for the league. Saw this on PFT this morning:

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I think one thing "they" can do is to look at minorities as one unit & not just black vs white.
 
Texian said:
So, if the NFL goes to a quota system based on skin color (racism), what would be the acceptable quota/percentage for each team/NFL.
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Like I said, I don't know how to fix it. That's way above my pay grade.

Based on averages alone, I just believe there are many, many qualified guys that are not getting their chance. Why is anyone's guess, but it's obvious when you just look at the raw data.
 
amazing80 said:
Are they supposed to strip white owners just so rich black people get the opportunity to buy the team? What exactly is their vision or solution? It's easy to sit back and complain.
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I am not advocating for this:

Denver is for sale. They could force Ross to sale.

Just putting it out there - but what if they only accepted bids from African American buyers/groups for those two franchises? That could “solve” the “issue”.

I am not saying it is right, fair, or just. Just saying. It could be done.
 
TexansBull said:
I am not advocating for this:

Denver is for sale. They could force Ross to sale.

Just putting it out there - but what if they only accepted bids from African American buyers/groups for those two franchises? That could “solve” the “issue”.

I am not saying it is right, fair, or just. Just saying. It could be done.
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let's not forget that, unlike most companies, these owners receive taxpayer money (billions for stadiums raised thru specific taxes)
 
Texian said:
So, if the NFL goes to a quota system based on skin color (racism), what would be the acceptable quota/percentage for each team/NFL.
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Quotas get legally tricky quickly. That's is why we have the Rooney Rule to start with.
 
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Hue Jackson suggests he was paid extra for losses as Browns head coach
Posted by Josh Alper on February 2, 2022, 8:56 AM EST

Former Dolphins coach Brian Flores alleges Dolphins owner Stephen Ross offered him $100,000 per loss during the 2019 season in order to ensure the team would wind up with the first overall pick and former Browns coach Hue Jackson made similar allegations in response to Flores’ lawsuit going public on Tuesday.

Jackson responded to a tweet about the case by saying Browns owner Jimmy Haslam “was happy while we kept losing” and then wrote “trust me it was a good number” in response to someone who said Haslam wasn’t offering $100,000 per loss. Jackson, who is now the head coach at Grambling, went 1-31 over his first two seasons with the Browns and was fired after a 2-5-1 start in 2018.

In another tweet, the executive director of Jackson’s foundation Kimberley Diemert said they had records that would support Flores’ case and wrote that Jackson and team executives Sashi Brown, Paul DePodesta, and Andrew Berry — who is now the team’s General Manager — were paid bonus money to tank in 2016 and 2017. Jackson replied by saying he “can back up every word I’m saying.”

Flores’ suit was filed as a class action, which leaves room for others to join the litigation. Jackson’s comments suggest he’d be willing to do that.
 
Of course they'll try to downplay it and get it & him dismissed as a disgruntled former employee....but best believe there will be talks at the offseason owners meetings about it and of course at the next collective bargaining agreement.
 
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Let the good times roll.

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Hue Jackson suggests he was paid extra for losses as Browns head coach
Posted by Josh Alper on February 2, 2022, 8:56 AM EST

Former Dolphins coach Brian Flores alleges Dolphins owner Stephen Ross offered him $100,000 per loss during the 2019 season in order to ensure the team would wind up with the first overall pick and former Browns coach Hue Jackson made similar allegations in response to Flores’ lawsuit going public on Tuesday.

Jackson responded to a tweet about the case by saying Browns owner Jimmy Haslam “was happy while we kept losing” and then wrote “trust me it was a good number” in response to someone who said Haslam wasn’t offering $100,000 per loss. Jackson, who is now the head coach at Grambling, went 1-31 over his first two seasons with the Browns and was fired after a 2-5-1 start in 2018.

In another tweet, the executive director of Jackson’s foundation Kimberley Diemert said they had records that would support Flores’ case and wrote that Jackson and team executives Sashi Brown, Paul DePodesta, and Andrew Berry — who is now the team’s General Manager — were paid bonus money to tank in 2016 and 2017. Jackson replied by saying he “can back up every word I’m saying.”

Flores’ suit was filed as a class action, which leaves room for others to join the litigation. Jackson’s comments suggest he’d be willing to do that.
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Damn, that would make Jackson the 2nd richest man in America.

Ba-da tsh!! Please tip your waitress, I'll be here all week.
 
Spicing things up? The Sports Bribery Act!

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While appearing on Dan Abrams’s SiriusXM POTUS 124 show earlier in the hour, we discussed the possibility of a prosecutor convening a grand jury on the specific question of whether Dolphins owner Stephen Ross or Browns owner Jimmy Haslam bribed coaches and/or others to deliberately lose football games. Flores has accused Ross of offering $100,000 per loss; former Browns coach Hue Jackson has suggested that Haslam did something similar.

The Sports Bribery Act criminalizes such conduct. Under 18 U.S.C. § 124, “Whoever carries into effect, attempts to carry into effect, or conspires with any other person to carry into effect any scheme in commence to influence, in any way, by bribery any sporting contest, with knowledge of the purpose of such scheme is to influence by bribery that contests, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.”

Based on the language of the statute, it doesn’t matter whether the offer is accepted. Liability arises if the person “carries into effect” the scheme or “attempts to carry into effect” the bribe. The mere offer of $100,000 to Flores, without more, would constitute a violation by Ross.

As to the Browns, acceptance of the inducement and acting on it would potentially extend criminal responsibility beyond Haslam. Jackson, if he acted on those offers and received those payments, would be potentially in trouble as well.

Whether anything happens with this angle of the controversy remains to be seen. But federal prosecutors have broad discretion as to the cases they will bring or not bring. Flores and Jackson have said more than enough to get someone’s attention. And that could be more than enough get someone indicted, sooner or latter.
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After the recent discrimination lawsuit filed by Flores, I'm concerned that the remaining teams still looking to fill their HC position will be subject to increased pressure to hire a minority candidate. I have no problem with a black HC - I was hoping we would hire Flores - as long as they are the best candidate for the job. I just want someone who can bring order and W's to this entire organization. I don't care what color they are.
 
Thorn said:
If hiring Flores is exactly the wrong thing to do, who is the team most likely to do it? :thinking:
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LOL. I'm pretty sure that Flores just signed his own death certificate (analogy alert) for a good long time. Nobody is going to want to touch him in the NFL until all of this is adjudicated, changes made (if any) and Flores has a Come to Jesus moment with any team interested. Businesses tend to shy away from employees that cause drama and sue them - rightly or wrongly. He may be 1000% right but nobody wants that drama.

I could see a college hiring him though. If he's ever back in the NFL, my guess is it won't be in this decade. He'll need a long time to control the damage this has caused. Basically, he is now the coaching version of Colin Kap.
 
I like how all these sports media, fans and writers who actively encouraged, promoted, joked about and straight up cheered losing on purpose for years (The Process! Tank for Trevor! McDavid! Eichel! The Astros) are now suddenly coming out against it and are acting all indignant about it because of whatever reason. And now they suddenly care about "the norms!" and "the integrity!"

Such sanctimonious, transparent bullshit.
 
Major conspiracy theory alert…

what if, what if some of these owners have some of the officials in their pockets? Now that betting on NFL is legal. I know, major stretch, but…..

If Flores and Hue Jackson have proof of this (payment for losing) why would the owners reach out to officials to double down?
Just thinkin out loud. Unlikely but possible.
 
Porky said:
LOL. I'm pretty sure that Flores just signed his own death certificate (analogy alert) for a good long time. Nobody is going to want to touch him in the NFL until all of this is adjudicated, changes made (if any) and Flores has a Come to Jesus moment with any team interested. Businesses tend to shy away from employees that cause drama and sue them - rightly or wrongly. He may be 1000% right but nobody wants that drama.

I could see a college hiring him though. If he's ever back in the NFL, my guess is it won't be in this decade. He'll need a long time to control the damage this has caused. Basically, he is now the coaching version of Colin Kap.
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Flores is likely to be a HC again as soon as Kaepernick becomes a starting QB in the NFL.
 
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NFL Network's Cameron Wolfe reported Wednesday that he spoke with a witness who said he heard Dolphins owner Stephen Ross offer former head coach Brian Flores $100,000 for every loss during the 2019 season.

Wolfe also reported that Flores' team says it has evidence including messages from general manager Chris Grier that corroborate the allegations against Ross.
 
Let's say the NFL mandates that 50% of administration and coaching jobs go to minorities and people of color. Then would it be equally as fair to mandate that 50% of the players be white?
 
austins23 said:
Major conspiracy theory alert…

what if, what if some of these owners have some of the officials in their pockets? Now that betting on NFL is legal. I know, major stretch, but…..

If Flores and Hue Jackson have proof of this (payment for losing) why would the owners reach out to officials to double down?
Just thinkin out loud. Unlikely but possible.
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Only way to explain why Jerome Boger and, for the Saints NFCC, Bill Vinovich, has a job still.
 
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