Mr teX
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that’s “simple Jack” from the movie Tropic Thunder
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Head Coach Candidate (Lovie Smith Hired) 2/7/22
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that’s “simple Jack” from the movie Tropic Thunder
michaelm
vox nihili
Man you've really changed your tune from the times when I said the McNair's were bad ownwers who didn't really care about winning, Remember those days? I'm the kinda guy who really doesn't care about the optics of things. I just want Caserio to bring a winner to Kirby. Fans have never seen a winner and Caserio has changed things down on Kirby trying to bring a winner and time will tell if he's going to be successful. What makes me LOL is fans that still want things done like they were done in the past, even though those things were unsuccessful. (Not directed at you) You would think fans would embrace change, but I guess human nature is what it is.
Again, the narrative driven by the media ....
They don't live in a cocoon or think they are impervious at all .... You'd have to be deaf, blind and dumb not to hear it.
They see the empty seats & the lost concessions ... the dude is sitting in his suite on game day looking down at the empty stadium.
But - why hire or employ people who damage your franchise with negativity or let things out to the public that make you and the franchise appear foolish? Some things are better kept in house.
I believe he has another year on his contract with the Aints - He can't just quit and go elsewhere.
Plus the Saints are 74 mil over the cap.
He left them in about as bad of shape as you could possibly leave a franchise.
No one on the radio is responsible for empty seats. It's on the organization.
Cal McNair asked the fans of the Houston Texans to trust him. I say, give us a reason to trust you. Something that makes it seem that you know what you are going. Nada, thus far.
I could see how haing Lawrence and a pretty good defense could be a drawing card for Payton to move to the Jags, if he got full control of the org. Plus Lawrence may have a chance to become a franchise QB with Payton teaching him how to play the QB position, rather than the crap Dabo was teaching him.
Mangler
Toro de España
What I want (O’Connell as the new HC) is probably not going to happen because it’s the Texans, and they’re known for dropping the ball. I do hope Caserio, who I think is the right GM, puts an end to all the dumb sh it that has transpired after late 2013 though.
And, if that means Mills has to learn a new offense then so be it! This rebuild is probably going to take a couple more seasons anyway. Hopefully less if they hire the right coaches and Caserio continues to draft well.
I think this is a misleading argument. Fans are not complaining about change. They are complaining about what they perceived to be outliers in the way other NFL teams operate. The Patriots are not the only winning team in the NFL and many other teams who don't have Brady or Belichick are winning without Caserio and Easterby's unproven methods.
Just because Caserio was on the headset with the Patriots, that is still an outlier to how other teams operate. Just because it worked with Belichick around doesn't mean you should just accept it as SOP when Belichick is not around. It's okay if you buy into the current changes happening at NRG where bridge coaches are a thing or hiring a coaching staff before a HC is the norm or GM has control of the coaching staff or interviewing HC candidates with no coaching experience. However, it's okay if some fans are skeptical of this approach and only time will tell if you will be rewarded for your optimism or skeptical fans will say, "we told you so".
One simple question. Which team that made the playoffs is operating similar to Caserio's top down approach? When I Google a wining team's culture, it's always about HCs and players building the culture that permeates the organization. So, again, Easterby and Caserio are outliers in the way they operate.
How 49ers' unique locker room culture starts at top with Kyle Shanahan | RSN (nbcsports.com)
How Sean McVay changed Los Angeles Rams culture with accountability - Los Angeles Rams Blog- ESPN
Chiefs embracing loose locker room culture on Super Bowl LIV run – The Denver Post
Zac Taylor continues to reshape Bengals’ culture - Cincy Jungle
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Exit stage left Mr. Rootes and Ms. Palcic.
BTW, did you see where Rootes left his job with the Dynamo? LMAO that crap doesn't play with most orgs.
That is slang for watch dog.
Sean Payton is under contract through 2024 with the #Saints
. If another team wanted to swoop it, they would need to compensate New Orleans. But that’s a conversation for next offseason.
And that's where you are wrong.
If they are spreading a negative message to the masses, they are contributing to the empty seats. Particularly so when that negative message doesn't contain the facts or is a misrepresentation of the facts.
They've made the team to be the fool in the Watson debacle from day one .... Watson out there allegedly assaulting women but:
Watson wants out - it's all the team's fault. They did him wrong, they failed him .... they wasted one of his years. (Watson & David Mulugheta meticulously planned this exit demand)
The team is at fault for giving what appears to be a franchise QB with a squeaky clean reputation a huge extension with a no trade clause. (They'd have been crucified for not extending him)
The team is at fault for not knowing what he was really up to - allegedly assaulting women.
(The first reports came two weeks or so after the ink was dry. Too late. There was no reason to believe he was doing anything illegal)
It's the team's fault for not trading him, the whole Texans front office is full of brain dead morons. (Except no GM would pull the trigger with the legal issues pending. Every report by clowns like Jay Glazier that he was going here or there was just throwing crap at the wall knowing it wouldn't stick. No team made meaningful offers ....)
The middle paragraph should tell you Caserio is doing things differently than what Belichick does things.
Top down Culture to me means something different than what it means to you. Top down to me means 1 guy makes the final calls on personnel. Say Reid in Kansas City, but Veatch and Reid are on the same page. All of these orgs are working the same way. Dont ever think Mike Brown doesn't ever have final say over things in Cincy. But it helps that Tobin/Taylor are on the same page and they got Burrow to be their QB.
Same with Snead/McVay, they're on the same page in the way they want their franchise to be run. McVay tells Snead I cant win a championship with Goof so Snead goes out and trades Goff plus two 1sts and a 3rd for Stafford. The way Snead has built that franchise really interests me because it's the way I would most likely build a franchise. Through FA signings like Whitworth/Woods/OBJ etc... trades like Ramsey/Miller and great late rd picks like Kupp/Havenstien/Williams/Jefferson etc... Not to mention the 1 stud 1st rd pick Donald. You can build your franchise this way but you have to hit on your late rd picks and to do this you have to know what your HC is lookingfor in talent.
49ers were built the same way. Add 1st rd talent on both OL/DL through the draft/FA. Then add guys that can run later in thedraft at the LB/Secondary positions. On offense build out the OL add a clutch QB through trade and then find your Deebo/Mitchell/Kittle/Jennings later in the draft.
Takes the GM/HC being on the same page and Lynch hired Lil Shanny, they make a great team. I'm hoping whoever Caserio hires will make a great team with him. McDaniels/ paired with Caserio would be 2 like minded people. I also think O'Connell or Gannon will pair up well with how Caserio looks at personnel.
Sorry I went off on a tangent.
banned1976
sleeper mode
McNair made O'Brien the GM after one of the most embarrassing playoff loses of all time. His decisions, not the media, are the reason there were empty seats in the stadium. I doubt very seriously people with tickets stayed home because of the Watson saga. By the time the season started most people knew the number of allegations against him and it greatly diminished his image in the eyes of most fans.
No. Cal IS a brain-dead moron and he alone has created this mess, not the media.
Oh, and BTW. The media never leaked the Watson's mama story which led to Hopkins being traded for pennies on the dollar. And I'm pretty sure they do know all about that. I know Troy knows and he is now in the sports media sphere in Houston.
Texazan
Our HOF 34
I'm guessing Gilbert has passed by now....
One morning I'm working in my office listening to iHeart, my wife walks in and Larry was doing his typical drivel, she's looks at me and says "what the hell is that guy yelling for?" I just laughed and turned his stupid ass down
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
No on Gilbert. I heard him on 97.5 yesterday.
To this day, the media in Houston blames Easterby for Watson wanting a trade. I just know there will be a lot of crow to eat on their part. Funny thing as well. These same media folks were scared as hell of Bill O’Brien. So if they think this is all Cal’s fault, they sure as hell were quiet about it when Bill was here.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
The media guesses & lays out a narrative b/c it’s all they really can do since they no longer have the access they once enjoyed. It’s their way of trying to force the Texans to clue them in….(let us know what’s going on…..or else).
They try to fall back on, “this is what the fans want to know”….and there’s some truth to that…but it’s more about them wanting to appear like they have some inside track on what’s going on/knowledge so they can do the same garbage they’re gonna do anyway.
Huh? The Texans have always been tight with information, trying to control the narrative. Since Casserly.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Very, VERY little of the fan base listens to sportstalk or even reads these message boards or whatever. So they can trash the Texans 24/7, it’s going to reach very few.
They are not the reason the stadium is practically a ghost town on game days. General fans, particularly those who pay, aren’t as stupid as the Texans appear to think they are. They can see the good talent leaving and the crap being brought in to replace it. They can also see the scoreboard and the standings, which are a result of that.
Now, I don’t think they know things like Josh McCown being interviewed a 2nd time , and a guy like Brian Daboll not even getting a sniff, so far, or anything like that, but they know enough to know this franchise is a dumpster fire right now without the radio telling them so.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
FYI for those who are not aware of the new Rooney Rule changes this year. This is a summary of the NFL Memo:
The league will require clubs to interview at least two external minority candidates for general manager/EVP of football operations, and for all open coordinator roles (offense, defense and special teams). The NFL is also requiring franchises to conduct an in-person interview for at least one external minority candidate for any head coach or general manager opening, while all coordinator interviews can take place virtually, though it is strongly encouraged to conduct these interviews in person.
The league office will track whether interviews for these open positions are conducted virtually or in person, and will ask all teams to provide this information within three days of the interview.
The league will require clubs to interview at least two external minority candidates for general manager/EVP of football operations, and for all open coordinator roles (offense, defense and special teams). The NFL is also requiring franchises to conduct an in-person interview for at least one external minority candidate for any head coach or general manager opening, while all coordinator interviews can take place virtually, though it is strongly encouraged to conduct these interviews in person.
The league office will track whether interviews for these open positions are conducted virtually or in person, and will ask all teams to provide this information within three days of the interview.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
thats not entirely true. I remember back when Rick Smith was still our GM. Zierlein used to trash this dude and some of his moves on air routinely …this was when he and John were on 610. He only backed off when he met up with Smith for dinner or something once or twice off the air. He came on air some time later and talked about these off air convos with Smith & it seemed to me Smith had in effect explained to him some things…..things that LZ didn’t know that kinda changed his opinion about some of the moves and things Smith had done that LZ had been criticizing him & the FO for.
I also think that Part of the reason BoB wanted to be the GM and why Easterby wound up here is b/c he needed allies and it was his attempt to try to control the flow of info & happenings going on within the FO …info that Palcic and Rootes were routinely leaking to the media….
so they had direct or indirect access within for a good while before NC came in and Palcic/Rootes were jettisoned.
Jack Burton
Veteran
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And the 2nd you trade for Payton you sign him to a 10 year deal too.
Yeah, so? HOU will soon be flush with picks when they trade Derrick and they can use part of it to get one of the best HC’s in the league. Who cares.Sean Payton is under contract through 2024 with the #Saints
And the 2nd you trade for Payton you sign him to a 10 year deal too.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Definitely a must read in its entirety!
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A Battle Plan For The Texans’ Next Head Coach
Whether they hire Bill Belichick or (Insert Rando Here) as the next coach, there’s a lot of work to do
By Mike Bullock Jan 25, 2022, 12:00pm CST
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It’s easy to say a LOT rides on the current three-headed hydra of Houston Texans leadership getting the next head coaching hire right. The pressure to not screw this up goes without saying. Fan engagement is at an all-time low, the team is coming off back-to-back terrible seasons, and the second-most hated man in Houston sports history is still minding the purse in a Judas-like manner.
The Texans are known to have interviewed the following candidates for their vacant head coaching spot:
No, this is going to require a true head coach who knows how to build a football program from the ashes of what remains.
The Texans finished the 2021 season 30th in points scored with only 280 and 27th in points allowed with 452. That’s a 172 point swing, the equivalent of 24.5 touchdowns. As elementary as it sounds, the 2022 team is going to have to learn to score more points than they surrender.
How do they do that? By getting better in the trenches.
The Texans’ Next Head Coach Must Improve the Offensive Line.
THE REST OF THE STORY
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A Battle Plan For The Texans’ Next Head Coach
Whether they hire Bill Belichick or (Insert Rando Here) as the next coach, there’s a lot of work to do
By Mike Bullock Jan 25, 2022, 12:00pm CST
If you buy something from an SB Nation link, Vox Media may earn a commission. See our ethics statement.
It’s easy to say a LOT rides on the current three-headed hydra of Houston Texans leadership getting the next head coaching hire right. The pressure to not screw this up goes without saying. Fan engagement is at an all-time low, the team is coming off back-to-back terrible seasons, and the second-most hated man in Houston sports history is still minding the purse in a Judas-like manner.
The Texans are known to have interviewed the following candidates for their vacant head coaching spot:
- Brian Flores - former Dolphins head coach
- Jonathan Gannon - Eagles defensive coordinator
- Joe Lombardi - Chargers offensive coordinator (completed)
- Josh McCown - veteran NFL QB
- Hines Ward - special assistant to the head coach at Florida Atlantic University
No, this is going to require a true head coach who knows how to build a football program from the ashes of what remains.
The Texans finished the 2021 season 30th in points scored with only 280 and 27th in points allowed with 452. That’s a 172 point swing, the equivalent of 24.5 touchdowns. As elementary as it sounds, the 2022 team is going to have to learn to score more points than they surrender.
How do they do that? By getting better in the trenches.
The Texans’ Next Head Coach Must Improve the Offensive Line.
THE REST OF THE STORY
houstonhurricane
Veteran
I can tell you I gave up my season tickets not because of what I heard on the radio or read here…I did it because this franchise has made so many self-defeating, illogical personnel moves and coaching/GM hires that I simply gave up. It’s one thing to perform poorly on the field...that happens to the best of franchises. But all of this garbage over the last two-plus seasons was preventable and will have wasted a good four seasons of football here.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Too bad we can't just give Payton 10 billion dollars to be our coach.
Should have kept Culley one more year, given Payton a chance to rest then back that brinks truck up.
Should have kept Culley one more year, given Payton a chance to rest then back that brinks truck up.
I agree, still I find it funny a lot of the convoluted scenarios they dream up on 610 resemble a lot of the convoluted scenarios people spout off here.
People they don’t even know they feel so strongly about… insane to me.
What I think is quite possible -
McCown accepts that position which dispenses with the idea that he has no experience.
There's another Culley type for a year .... replaced by McCown in 2023 or 24.
They already have much of the staff in place for whoever that guy is.
Lovey - DC
Pep - ?? OC/QB/Passing game Coord.
Ross - ST
Campen - OL
Texazan
Our HOF 34
Yea good to hear, I’d never wish ill
on anyone but he was loaded just about every time I heard him in the morning
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Sean Payton is under contract through 2024 with the #Saints
The Saints aren’t wasting any time in trying to find a replacement for Sean Payton. General Manager Mickey Loomis surely already had a list of candidates after meeting with Payton last week and learning that the team’s long-time coach was considering walking away.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
He’s never been loaded. It’s a mental disability.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Took me a while to find my old post. I need to start copying old posts like you do.
Your spin has big flaws:
Bortles threw 4 touchdowns while in the lead, 6 touchdowns while tied, and 58 touchdowns while trailing. That means he was a garbage time QB. That was as of December 31st 2016.
Blake Bortles, and Touchdowns Thrown While Trailing/Tied/Leading
This year, Blake Bortles has thrown just one touchdown while playing with the lead. That’s part of a larger development: over his three-year career, Bortles has thrown just four touchdowns while playing with the lead, with half of those coming in what looked like the Jaguars breakout game...
www.footballperspective.com
1. You assume O’Brein would have been able to have the same success as the Jaguars would have done with Bortles. That is a huge leap of faith. OB doesn’t know QBs.
2. Bortles had a league high 75 interceptions during his starting career. Almost as much as his TDS he threw. Horrible. Name a QB who threw for more interceptions during that time.
3. In Bortles first three years he fumbled the ball 29 times. Almost as much as Clowney’s sacks. Horrible.
4. In 5 short years of playing Bortles is tied at 34 for the 13 pick sixes. Joey Harrington and Matt Schaub are at 14. He got so high in such a short amount of time the DEA raided his house.
5. Bortling. That’s what Bortles created. A word to describe bad throws, bad decisions, turnovers, and interceptions. Bortles is nothing but a poor decision maker, inaccurate, and folds under pressure.
6. The Texans mistake wasn’t in the draft. Their mistake is hiring OB. Had he never happened in Texas we would never had the QB carousels we had.
7. Your assumption that drafting Bortles would have kept us off the QB carousel isn’t correct. He would have been a draft bust for us. Nothing more.
8. And you can’t fault the Texans for hiring OB. He was highly touted and regarded as the top coach to hire that year. The mistake is not firing him when Rick Smith stepped down.
I think that ship has sailed.
What if the philosophical difference was that they wanted to replace Kelly with McCown & that’s where Culley balked.
I’d believe that before I believe he put his job on the line for Kelly who he barely knew.
Texazan
Our HOF 34
Uh well he’s admitted as much on his calls with Greg and ND back in the day before Greg left so if that’s not the case then yes it was radio hyperbole and to take advantage of that for entertainment is disappointing. My adult son has a SMI, autism and Schizoaffective disorder bipolar. I can typically spot that but he flew under my radar. I can only wish him the best then. Larry on the other hand is a bloviating..,,
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
McCown was offered a Assistant HC position LAST YEAR. I don't believe that position refers to this year.
That said, with all the coordinators and coaches projected to be maintained, it is difficult to see how a seasoned coach would accept the HC position. That won't be a problem if McCown is given the position. Though that will create other problems.
Texansballer74
The Marine
There is a large percentage of this fan base that does listen to the media. You have quite a few fans that have started their own podcast. Facebook has different Texans groups. Every outlet that I know have trashed ownership, mainly Easterby and Cal. In the black community a large percentage truly believes Cal and company set Watson up. And most of them have said they will not be a fan of this team anymore.
Oh and yes 610 and 790 have helped in the lack of attendance as well. I’ve stop listening to them because they’re too negative.
Oh and yes 610 and 790 have helped in the lack of attendance as well. I’ve stop listening to them because they’re too negative.
Mangler
Toro de España
Looks like MulaGhetto is back pedaling now. All we heard for months was that his two clients, Watson and Flores, had been in constant communication coming up with a way to get signed ti the same team, and now they don’t even have each other’s phone numbers? I call bullsiht! I hope Caserio goes after them and whichever team signs them will have to cough up some draft picks!
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wildroot
Rookie
It would be a perfect situation for someone like Ryans or Mayo where Caserio could help them put the team together and allow them to grow into the job. That's actually what I'm hoping for.
Boris
All Pro
i don't get it
Mangler
Toro de España
Jack Easterby was painted as a booger man by the media, and by the players that were trying to stick up for the sexual predator. So I would say that more than 80% of the fan base thinks whatever social media tells them to think.
Mangler
Toro de España
I know.
Texansballer74
The Marine
True that. But as soon as those allegations came out, jokers that I know immediately said Cal and the Texans set him up. They all would say the Texans are mad because Watson refused to play for them. Even fans from other teams are thinking the same thing. A lot of people would say you can’t f over a white mans money like that and think you’re going to get away with it.
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