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[Pick 67] Davis Mills QB Stanford

steelbtexan said:
How you feeling about Derrick these days.

Hopefully future captain of the Mean Machine?

Wonder if they will let him take the Lambo out on weekend passes with Jelly Anus? BTW, That's her sticking the jelly in your guys azz. Minus the jelly Derrick should feel right at home in the slammer. After all he likes things in his azz. The only debate is whether he's a 2 or 3 finger type of perv.
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The same as I have for months.

He deserves a trial before judgment is cast.

If he is found guilty, he should face severe punishments.

He is an amazing football with incredible skills.

This organization is trash.

DW4 is sadly no longer the future at QB. We should have cut him and tried to recoup our cash or unloaded him as quickly as we could. If they weren't going to do either of those, I would have forced his ass to play to earn his money.

Do you comprehend that or is it too difficult for you?
 
Earl34 said:
Wait. What? Where was the fallout on the board when Mills was leading an offense that was barely crossing midfield or when he was the starting QB on a team that got outscored 119-17 in four road games? If there was any fallout I missed it.

I might be mistaken. But I don't sense any vitriol towards Mills or posters waiting to crush the kid.
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You haven’t been paying attention then, yah it may not be on the same level as Watson but it’s also year 1 vs year 3 but there have been lots of people saying that Mills is a career backup at best and that Caserio blew the pick at 67 even looking at him.

Even now we have several that want to bring in a vet QB next season and make Mills fight for the starting job. Let’s also not forget the whole argument after the Jags game where even after Mills won how it wasn’t him that did it and that he actually didn’t play very well.

So yeah Mills has not been welcomed with open arms just the whole team is bad so there are lots of other targets as well.
 
maverick512000 said:
No one at anytime has said that they thought OB’s offense was good and I can’t think of anyone that wanted to keep Kelly and by default OB’s scheme. It was done for other reasons and you know that.

The biggest difference in the way Watson vs Mills is handling that bad scheme. Watson was a duel threat that trusted, to much most games, his legs to make a play if his arm couldn’t. Mills strikes me as more the type that if he is running then something has gone really wrong.

This leads to the second problem of because Watson trusts his legs more he will wait for the big, highlight reel pass that gets 30+ if it connects, Mills is happy to take 5-10 yards and call it a win.

I’m am in no way saying Mills is the next Brady but his style of play is more like Brady than Watson’s was and remember Brady was the primary QB that BoB worked with and developed the scheme for so yeah it makes sense that when it works, which isn’t often, it works better for a guy like Mills than a guy like Watson.
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I can post several games in which it worked perfectly for Watson too. Y’all acting as if he never stood in the pocket and went to work. I guess last season he led the NFL in passing yards with a not so good wide receiver room by default. As far as using his legs, if he didn’t you know darn well he would’ve gotten killed behind that atrocious offensive line.
 
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amazing80 said:
The same as I have for months.

He deserves a trial before judgment is cast.

If he is found guilty, he should face severe punishments.

He is an amazing football with incredible skills.

This organization is trash.

DW4 is sadly no longer the future at QB. We should have cut him and tried to recoup our cash or unloaded him as quickly as we could. If they weren't going to do either of those, I would have forced his ass to play to earn his money.

Do you comprehend that or is it too difficult for you?
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I agree with your points though in the Texans defense they really don’t have any good options right now. If they cut him then he gets his entire paycheck and is free and clear to sign somewhere else and get even more money.

You have to have a trade partner to move him and yeah they could move him if they were willing to get bent over but can you imagine the absolute blow up not just here but with all Texan fans if they get lowballed on trading a 167 million player? You think the Hopkins situation was bad man it would be nothing compared to that.

As far as playing him goes they really can’t do that either. The media pressure and the optics of letting someone with his legal issues on the field as the team leader would be horrible. Not to mention the post game press conferences, yeah great look having Hardin sitting there vetting questions or flat out not letting Watson do the press conference. Plus I’m not so sure the NFL hasn’t told the Texans that if they play him he will go on the CEL which is basically paid time off.

So yeah Texans are in a bad spot and where I disagree with @steelbtexan is that I don’t think it was of their own making. There were zero signs of this happening and no one can honestly say they saw it coming. Thinking a person is selfish and thinking a person is going to be accused by 20+ women of sexual assault is a huge leap.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I can post several games in which it worked perfectly Watson too. Y’all acting as if he never stood in the pocket and went to work. I guess last season he led the NFL in passing yards with a not so good wide receiver room by default. As far as using his legs, if he didn’t you know darn well he would’ve gotten killed behind that atrocious offensive line.
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I can think of only two games it worked perfectly, the Hags game in London and the first time it was Watson vs Mahomes. The rest of the time it worked it did so in spite of how it’s designed not because of it.

So he lead the league in passing yards, it means just as much as Mills leading the league in the red zone, it doesn’t translate to wins so who cares.

As far as the line you are right the first couple of years he would have gotten killed but, particularly after they had brought in a Tunsil, the last couple of years he also made the line’s job harder because they would be blocking one spot and he would be in another. The defense charging him could see that but the linemen couldn’t, so out of the blue a pass rusher goes the opposite direction of where the linemen thinks he will because Watson has already left the pocket as soon as the play started.

I actually don’t totally blame Watson for that though, if you get use to having to run for your life every play it’s what you will default to even when it’s not needed. Nevertheless that doesn’t change the fact it made the line look worst than I think they actually were the last year.
 
maverick512000 said:
No one at anytime has said that they thought OB’s offense was good and I can’t think of anyone that wanted to keep Kelly and by default OB’s scheme. It was done for other reasons and you know that.

The biggest difference in the way Watson vs Mills is handling that bad scheme. Watson was a duel threat that trusted, to much most games, his legs to make a play if his arm couldn’t. Mills strikes me as more the type that if he is running then something has gone really wrong.

This leads to the second problem of because Watson trusts his legs more he will wait for the big, highlight reel pass that gets 30+ if it connects, Mills is happy to take 5-10 yards and call it a win.

I’m am in no way saying Mills is the next Brady but his style of play is more like Brady than Watson’s was and remember Brady was the primary QB that BoB worked with and developed the scheme for so yeah it makes sense that when it works, which isn’t often, it works better for a guy like Mills than a guy like Watson.
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I'm not going to get into this Watson debate. However, one clarification. BoB did not develop anything for Brady. By the time he became the Patriots QB coach and OC, Brady was 32 years old and a 9 year veteran in that EP scheme. BoB only coached Brady for three seasons. So, what scheme did he develop? In his one year as Patriots' OC, fans were complaining that BenJarvus Green Ellis was averaging 3.7 YPC and he still gave him 180 carries. Sound familiar?

With the Texans, he was basically running the 2009-2011 Patriots playbook and left to his own devices, you get the cluster that is the OB/TK ED offense.
 
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maverick512000 said:
I can think of only two games it worked perfectly, the Hags game in London and the first time it was Watson vs Mahomes. The rest of the time it worked it did so in spite of how it’s designed not because of it.

So he lead the league in passing yards, it means just as much as Mills leading the league in the red zone, it doesn’t translate to wins so who cares.

As far as the line you are right the first couple of years he would have gotten killed but, particularly after they had brought in a Tunsil, the last couple of years he also made the line’s job harder because they would be blocking one spot and he would be in another. The defense charging him could see that but the linemen couldn’t, so out of the blue a pass rusher goes the opposite direction of where the linemen thinks he will because Watson has already left the pocket as soon as the play started.

I actually don’t totally blame Watson for that though, if you get use to having to run for your life every play it’s what you will default to even when it’s not needed. Nevertheless that doesn’t change the fact it made the line look worst than I think they actually were the last year.
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Last season he actually made the offensive line look better. And you're not bringing up the fact dude couldn't even get all the way back in his drop before having to avoid the rush. A lot of times it was coming up the middle. Then there were so many missed blocking assignments in which we all talked about on here. Especially during the games. Watson never had a top 15 offensive linemen, shoots not even a top 20.

Now did he mess up some times, yes . Every quarterback does.
 
Brisco_County said:
This dovetails into an important point.

We have not watched a Texans quarterback succeed according to the intended design of the plays or the game script since Matt Schaub. Watson regularly relied on improvisation for big plays after the original play design ran its course. It's one reason he threw to Hopkins so much. Sure, hero ball won games, but it was unreliable, inconsistent, and it covered up weaknesses that would kill us against better teams.

Mills is executing the plays as designed, so we're starting to see consistency in the number of consecutive completions and the completion percentage. It's actual game management.
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Very good points. Unlike prior years he is playing the called play with no improv. Showing the control over the system he is starting to get. Along with his ability to work within the system.
 
Number19 said:
I agree Heck seems to have gotten beat. Which is why Mills should be releasing the ball at that instance. And I agree you can't fully read the play from a single still. But an ongoing line of conversation is whether Mills should be given the starting role next pre-season with or without competition. This play, whether on the sideline during the game or later in film study , needs to be discussed.
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I think it is in NC’s genes to create competition at every position in TC. If DM continues to improve through year end I’m guessing he at least will begin camp as the QB to beat. These next couple of games are critical and this is why nobody should be calling on this team to quit. DM is 2-1 in the last three games with a QBR of 105 with I think 5 TD’s and one pick. That’s in the right direction. I hope everybody wants to see him succeed so we can use our top picks elsewhere next draft.
 
Dejaview said:
I think it is in NC’s genes to create competition at every position in TC. If DM continues to improve through year end I’m guessing he at least will begin camp as the QB to beat. These next couple of games are critical and this is why nobody should be calling on this team to quit. DM is 2-1 in the last three games with a QBR of 105 with I think 5 TD’s and one pick. That’s in the right direction. I hope everybody wants to see him succeed so we can use our top picks elsewhere next draft.
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Agreed

Although there are some that I'm beginning to wonder if they would rather Mills fail so they can be right vs Mills and the Texans succeed.
 
TexansBull said:
Question -

Is this stat skewed if he can’t get the ball in the red zone? He had 49 yards passing in the game against the Colts. So if he couldn’t move the ball during that game between the twenties that isn’t factored in, right? So it may not tell the whole story.
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The red zone by definition only counts when teams are “in the red zone/inside the 20”. True it doesn’t tell the whole story but also pretty darn impressive that a rookie QB has the highest rating when the margin for error is smallest and the field gets small. When he’s in scoring position, he doesn’t turn the ball over and gives the team a chance to earn points. That’s a pretty good trait to have in your starting QB.
 
amazing80 said:
The same as I have for months.

He deserves a trial before judgment is cast.

If he is found guilty, he should face severe punishments.

He is an amazing football with incredible skills.

This organization is trash.

DW4 is sadly no longer the future at QB. We should have cut him and tried to recoup our cash or unloaded him as quickly as we could. If they weren't going to do either of those, I would have forced his ass to play to earn his money.

Do you comprehend that or is it too difficult for you?
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So do you think he's a 1 finger or 2 finger kinda guy?
 
TexansBull said:
Question -

Is this stat skewed if he can’t get the ball in the red zone? He had 49 yards passing in the game against the Colts. So if he couldn’t move the ball during that game between the twenties that isn’t factored in, right? So it may not tell the whole story.
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Right. The Texans are tied for the fewest trips to the red zone with Jacksonville.

Those numbers are also skewed by the Texans being one of the worst rushing teams in the red zone.

I mean props to Mills for getting it done the few times he’s there with teams pretty much knowing he has to pass, but yeah, just getting there is a challenge.
 
Mills has made enough solid plays behind a horrible OL to make me wonder how he’ll do when the protection, play-calling, and the run game improve…..wait, we all saw those results against the Chargers. Oh, and screw the excuses that they had some defensive guys out due to C-19. Texans only had a few starters who’d qualify for the Chargers 53 man roster and they still lit the Chargers up in a game all brainiacs had the Chargers winning big…really big in lieu of their personnel issues. It’s cheap to blame C-19 after the Texans stomped a mudhole in their arse.

I think Mills has more than earned his shot to QB this team in 2022. Caserio did a good job with this pick and now he needs to start putting pieces in front and around him to allow his development to take the next step.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Mills has made enough solid plays behind a horrible OL to make me wonder how he’ll do when the protection, play-calling, and the run game improve…..wait, we all saw those results against the Chargers. Oh, and screw the excuses that they had some defensive guys out due to C-19. Texans only had a few starters who’d qualify for the Chargers 53 man roster and they still lit the Chargers up in a game all brainiacs had the Chargers winning big…really big in lieu of their personnel issues. It’s cheap to blame C-19 after the Texans stomped a mudhole in their arse.

I think Mills has more than earned his shot to QB this team in 2022. Caserio did a good job with this pick and now he needs to start putting pieces in front and around him to allow his development to take the next step.
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I'm inclined to agree with you. He is improving each game. Numbers on the stat sheet doesn't tell everything. Just because you have to take a sack or you don't complete a pass is not a true indicator of better/worse play. There are factors that play into it. If he read the D an put the ball on target and the WR drops it...Mills did everything right. The WR caused the problem. If he gets serious heat and takes a sack...better than an INT or fumble.

That's just a little example
 
Nobody knows if Mills is the future or not, not even the Texans. And if he isn't, we still need other players more than a newbie QB next draft anyway. Mills is good enough for next year, because next year we're still not going anywhere. I'd be happy with a game changing lineman (on either side) for our 1st pick.

And they should address the O-line before bring in a new QB if that's what they're going to do. Maybe Mills is the placeholder QB like Culley is the placeholder HC. We won't know any of this until we're already playing well into next year.

And if Mills is the answer, then maybe Caserio knows what he's doing, which like everything else with this frigging team, is yet to be determined.
 
TexansBull said:
Question -

Is this stat skewed if he can’t get the ball in the red zone? He had 49 yards passing in the game against the Colts. So if he couldn’t move the ball during that game between the twenties that isn’t factored in, right? So it may not tell the whole story.
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Good point. This stat is from Texans PR. I would like to know the number of attempts in the red zone compared to the other QBs. It's one of the reasons, most stats have a minimum attempts criteria. Without that context, this stat could be meaningless.
 
banned1976 said:
21-32, 163 yards, 1 TD 1 INT. Pretty sub-par.
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If you just look at the numbers you're correct.

You're not taking into account that the run game avg 3.0 or so and the fact that he threw a beautiful 50 yd pass to Cooks that got called back due to Pharoh's 10 holding call this yr.

I'm guessing that you didn't watch the game. He played well, threw the ball accurately and on time, went through his progressions in the face of a rush with a muddy pocket. He did make 1 bad throw and the refs screwed the Texans on the fumble call.
 
Earl34 said:
Good point. This stat is from Texans PR. I would like to know the number of attempts in the red zone compared to the other QBs. It's one of the reasons, most stats have a minimum attempts criteria. Without that context, this stat could be meaningless.
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True, but atleast he's being successful when in the RZ. I we all would like to see him have more RZ opportunities, but that ain't gonna happen with this OL.
 
Matt Jones 3540 67.6 Comp 21 TD 12 int. He started off slow and gotten better as the year progressed. He’s had a few very bad games as well. No way Mills has performed better than him.

And please stop it with this he had a better team crap. Why because you wasn’t using this when 4 was at the helm.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Matt Jones 3540 67.6 Comp 21 TD 12 int. He started off slow and gotten better as the year progressed. He’s had a few very bad games as well. No way Mills has performed better than him.

And please stop it with this he had a better team crap. Why because you wasn’t using this when 4 was at the helm.
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WD40 had better talent around him that DM has. On any given play, WD40 could throw the ball up to D-Hop, and have a better than 50% chance of completing the pass. I thought this past season would be the true test for WD40, because he wouldn't have D-Hop to depend on, and he would have to learn to throw to his other options.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Here we go with these excuses. Now you’re saying everything thing has to be perfect for Mills to succeed.
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No excuses

He made a beautiful throw to Cooks that got called back on the penalty or they would've had a 2nd trip to the RZ. Do you think any offense can be successful avg 3.0 per carry for even if Brady was the Texans QB?

What are your realistic expectations for Mills. He made a few good plays and a bad play. He's played well for a rookie QB with as few of starts as he's had. Did you know Mills has the 3rd best completion % of any rookie QB since 1970, behind only Dak and Mac? Combine that with Mills RZ efficiency and I'm very happy with where a very inexperienced Mills is at this point in his career.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Matt Jones 3540 67.6 Comp 21 TD 12 int. He started off slow and gotten better as the year progressed. He’s had a few very bad games as well. No way Mills has performed better than him.

And please stop it with this he had a better team crap. Why because you wasn’t using this when 4 was at the helm.
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Let's put the Derrick stuff aside.

These are 2 totally different situations. Derrick had the best 4 games of any rookie QB in NFL history statistically in his 4 games as a rookie before he got hurt. I've said many times Derrick had a better rookie yr than Mills has had. However more importantly I'm hoping to see Mills improve and adjust to things much better than Derrick did in yr 3.
 
steelbtexan said:
Let's put the Derrick stuff aside.

These are 2 totally different situations. Derrick had the best 4 games of any rookie QB in NFL history statistically in his 4 games as a rookie before he got hurt. I've said many times Derrick had a better rookie yr than Mills has had. However more importantly I'm hoping to see Mills improve and adjust to things much better than Derrick did in yr 3.
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Dude Watson is still on this roster and will forever be talked about on this forum and many other Texans forums. So no I’m not putting it to rest, just like you won’t either. And like I mentioned before let’s evaluate every player equally verse cherry picking things to fit our agenda/narrative. The same energy you put out during Watson’s rookie campaign, Mills should be getting it to. Why because he’s a starting quarterback in the NFL playing for the Texans. I remember you telling folks who brought up the offensive line woes and the terrible running back production, that that was excuses. Now you’re using the same freaking excuses. Why because Mills is a player you like.
 
Speedy said:
Did Mills outplay Trey Lance? Asking for a friend.
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No he didn’t lol especially not in the second half. I will say the refs screwed us big time I’m the second half, In which switch the momentum in the 49ers favor. Mills couldn’t bounce back . And we did not see him over on the sidelines trying to rally his troops.
 
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banned1976 said:
21-32, 163 yards, 1 TD 1 INT. Pretty sub-par.
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Look around the league…..those stats are pretty average or maybe even slightly below average. I’ve also seen much better QB’s playing with a far superior team have bad games against lesser talented teams. I’m making the same argument for Mills that I made for Watson….we haven’t even scratched the surface of what this young talent may bring to the field until there’s an actual team around him…..that’s players and coaches.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Yes one member said on another thread that Mills is outperforming his rookie class including Jones. Then he said Jones is playing good only because he has a better cast around him. Paraphrasing
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Jones is by far the cream of the 2021 Rookie QB crop. Mills has played himself into being the second best QB of the 2021 QB Class. Mills could very well set the Texans RD3 miseries out to sail.
 
Texansballer74 said:
No he didn’t lol especially not in the second half. I will say the refs screwed us big time I’m the second half, I’m which switch the momentum in the 49ers favor. Mills couldn’t bounce back . And we did not see him over on the sidelines trying to rally his troops.
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Actually, we went into the 4th quarter down only 3 and had the opportunity to tie the game, but we missed the fg. It was only later, after the deep pass to Cooks was called back because of the penalty, that things began going South.
 
vtech9 said:
WD40 had better talent around him that DM has. On any given play, WD40 could throw the ball up to D-Hop, and have a better than 50% chance of completing the pass. I thought this past season would be the true test for WD40, because he wouldn't have D-Hop to depend on, and he would have to learn to throw to his other options.
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Didn't Watson lead the league in passing without Hopkins? Just asking for a friend.
 
Earl34 said:
Didn't Watson lead the league in passing without Hopkins? Just asking for a friend.
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I honestly don't know since I didn't watch any games last season. However, from looking at his stats, I thought he might have become a better QB, so I was looking forward to the new Coach and OC coming in to move us forward, but..... then all of the bad stuff about WD40 came out.
 
Earl34 said:
Didn't Watson lead the league in passing without Hopkins? Just asking for a friend.
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Watson was on fire his rookie season too. The youngster went toe to toe with some heavy weights. And a few of these same members were extra extra critical of his play. Had the nerve to tell us we were using excuses to why we lost some of those close games. But now they’re using the exact same supposedly excuses for Mills. Gotta love it Earl, lol gotta love it!
 
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