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You have to credit the coaches for the game plan and teaching the youngster the importance of getting rid of the ball quickly. Now they have to work on his progressions. Can’t always lock in on your first read. He has to also learn to manipulate the defense with his eyes.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Washington and Howard should be cheap and are talented players. Good idea and the types of signings I want to see in free agency to build around what is hopefully a ton of premium draft picks to be the core roster.

I have been a fan of Howard in particular since he was drafted. I just worry the injury last season may have taken away the athleticism that made him a high 1st round pick.
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Howard is the type o fa signing Caserio made last off-season. A 1-2 year prove it deal.
 
steelbtexan said:
I dont see this at all really.

Give me an example of this happening this game?

No fumbles and by my account he only held the ball to long 1 time. Creating a sack. This is something I really harped on as a Derrick deficiency. He caused sacks. I'm not seeing this as bad from Derrick, other than the Buffalo game. I bet even with this horrible OL play this yr the OL allows less sacks than they allowed last yr.
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Watson’s problem was him trying to keep plays alive versus just throwing it away. That’s why he so called held onto the ball too long. Many big time quarterbacks played this way, even your boy Patrick Mahomas does this a lot.

What’s funny to me is how we complain about things around here.
He holds onto the ball too long.
He doesn’t go through his progressions.

Which one is it. Don’t you have to hold onto the ball when going through your progressions.

Mills got the ball out quick because that’s what the coaching staff wanted him to do. He doesn’t have great mobility. You don’t have a top notch offensive line. There’s no running game, so he has to get it out quicker.

Shoots about time the coaches finally figured this out. But that one read play will only get you so far in the NFL. Hopefully the next step in his growth will be going through his progressions. And there were plays in which he had time to do that. But I can tell they want him to go with only his first read for now.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Watson’s problem was him trying to keep plays alive versus just throwing it away. That’s why he so called held onto the ball too long. Many big time quarterbacks played this way, even your boy Patrick Mahomas does this a lot.

What’s funny to me is how we complain about things around here.
He holds onto the ball too long.
He doesn’t go through his progressions.

Which one is it. Don’t you have to hold onto the ball when going through your progressions.

Mills got the ball out quick because that’s what the coaching staff wanted him to do. He doesn’t have great mobility. You don’t have a top notch offensive line. There’s no running game, so he has to get it out quicker.

Shoots about time the coaches finally figured this out. But that one read play will only get you so far in the NFL. Hopefully the next step in his growth will be going through his progressions. And there were plays in which he had time to do that. But I can tell they want him to go with only his first read for now.
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Agreed,

I can understand why they are doing what they are doing.

BTW, what was the Texans avg yd per carry yesterday?
 
steelbtexan said:
My question for you is this? If Derrick beats the rap and Carolina wants to trade for him. Plus Carolina needs a LT, would you trade Derrick/Tunsil for Chinn and the Panthers entire 2022 draft, plus a 2023 1st and 2nd?

A Ricky Williams type trade.
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The inherent problem is the NTC that Watson wields. Reports are that both Miami and Carolina were in play for a trade pre-deadline. Miami wanted the lawsuits settled and it obviously didn't happen. Carolina was willing to take it all on but Watson invoked his NTC.

I really, really hope this franchise learns a lesson and NEVER gives out another NTC again. I don't care who it is.
 
Double Barrel said:
The inherent problem is the NTC that Watson wields. Reports are that both Miami and Carolina were in play for a trade pre-deadline. Miami wanted the lawsuits settled and it obviously didn't happen. Carolina was willing to take it all on but Watson invoked his NTC.

I really, really hope this franchise learns a lesson and NEVER gives out another NTC again. I don't care who it is.
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This is what happens when you promote unqualified people through the buddy buddy system.
 
Double Barrel said:
The inherent problem is the NTC that Watson wields. Reports are that both Miami and Carolina were in play for a trade pre-deadline. Miami wanted the lawsuits settled and it obviously didn't happen. Carolina was willing to take it all on but Watson invoked his NTC.

I really, really hope this franchise learns a lesson and NEVER gives out another NTC again. I don't care who it is.
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I’m trying to figure out why there even is a no trade clause. The Texans just signed him for mega millions, he was on his way to elite QB status, for sure franchise QB, and the deal was only 4 years. Why would the Texans trade him?

On Watson’s side, he was obviously happy enough to sign the deal and want to be here, and again, it was only 4 years, so why is he worried about a trade? Or is that just standard? Does Mahomes have a no trade clause?

Everything about this dude is just weird anymore.
 
Speedy said:
I’m trying to figure out why there even is a no trade clause. The Texans just signed him for mega millions, he was on his way to elite QB status, for sure franchise QB, and the deal was only 4 years. Why would the Texans trade him?

On Watson’s side, he was obviously happy enough to sign the deal and want to be here, and again, it was only 4 years, so why is he worried about a trade? Or is that just standard? Does Mahomes have a no trade clause?

Everything about this dude is just weird anymore.
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As of February 2021. Only eight players with NTCs.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1364594180794683407
 
Earl34 said:
As of February 2021. Only eight players with NTCs.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1364594180794683407
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I could see older players wanting it, or a guy like Nuk who wants NO chance of coming back here, or even a guy like Mahomes with a loooong deal, wanting it. But a young guy with a 4 year deal, I don't even see the need for it.

Oh, and I guess those thinking Garoppolo is the next Texans QB can stop with that nonsense. No freaking way he's waiving his NTC to come here. Oh wait, he does have Patriot blood in him.
 
Speedy said:
I could see older players wanting it, or a guy like Nuk who wants NO chance of coming back here, or even a guy like Mahomes with a loooong deal, wanting it. But a young guy with a 4 year deal, I don't even see the need for it.

Oh, and I guess those thinking Garoppolo is the next Texans QB can stop with that nonsense. No freaking way he's waiving his NTC to come here. Oh wait, he does have Patriot blood in him.
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I bet Jimmy G ends up with the Saints.

Payton and Jimmy G went to the same college.
 
steelbtexan said:
I bet Jimmy G ends up with the Saints.

Payton and Jimmy G went to the same college.
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Wait. When did you give up on the dream of Jimmy G playing for the Texans? I thought with the pervert out of the picture, you would have started the "sign Jimmy G" petition.
 
Earl34 said:
Wait. When did you give up on the dream of Jimmy G playing for the Texans? I thought with the pervert out of the picture, you would have started the "sign Jimmy G" petition.
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I never thought Jimmy G was going to play for the Texans.

I think Mills will be the QB next year.
 
Speedy said:
I’m trying to figure out why there even is a no trade clause. The Texans just signed him for mega millions, he was on his way to elite QB status, for sure franchise QB, and the deal was only 4 years. Why would the Texans trade him?
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I agree completely. It feels like they gave him a perk that he didn't even ask for (or earn for that matter).

With Texans management, though, stupidity never really surprises me.
 
Caserio gets to communicate with the HC during games. I suspect that shortens the list of HC candidates quite a bit when the question is asked during an interview, “Are you ok with me telling you what to do during a game?”

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Nick Caserio, David Culley regularly communicate during games

A mild buzz emerged from Houston today after Texans coach David Culley spoke freely and candidly about his in-game communications with G.M.
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com profootballtalk.nbcsports.com
 
TheRealJoker said:
Caserio gets to communicate with the HC during games. I suspect that shortens the list of HC candidates quite a bit when the question is asked during an interview, “Are you ok with me telling you what to do during a game?”

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Nick Caserio, David Culley regularly communicate during games

A mild buzz emerged from Houston today after Texans coach David Culley spoke freely and candidly about his in-game communications with G.M.
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com profootballtalk.nbcsports.com
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I think people are trying to make this something that it is not.

I could see if Lovie had let Buffalo score & Culley said, “it didn’t compute.”

But as it is, Culley made the decision to make a stand & the team tried to make a stand.

& I think they’re taking liberty in describing Caserio’s participation in headset conversations in NE.

I mean, they’re talking out the other side of their mouth saying McDaniels is coming. McDaniels more than anyone knows what Caserio is doing with his headset.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think people are trying to make this something that it is not.

I could see if Lovie had let Buffalo score & Culley said, “it didn’t compute.”

But as it is, Culley made the decision to make a stand & the team tried to make a stand.

& I think they’re taking liberty in describing Caserio’s participation in headset conversations in NE.

I mean, they’re talking out the other side of their mouth saying McDaniels is coming. McDaniels more than anyone knows what Caserio is doing with his headset.
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Maybe. Like I said, I have never heard of a GM, that wasn't also a HC, on the in-game headset convo. Maybe it's happened, I've just never heard of it before. GMs are usually in their suits in their suites, watching the game.

And maybe it's happening too, because Culley is not HC material. Maybe that doesn't happen with a real HC in here. Otherwise, you're right. I would not want to come here and be the HC of a team where the GM is all up in my shit during the game. Before and after, fine. But if you hire me to be the HC then get the hell out of my way and let me coach.
 
Speedy said:
Maybe. Like I said, I have never heard of a GM, that wasn't also a HC, on the in-game headset convo. Maybe it's happened, I've just never heard of it before. GMs are usually in their suits in their suites, watching the game.
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He didn’t just start doing this. This is what he does. What he’s been doing. What he did in New England.

He’s even out there on the practice field, throwing balls to receivers.

Speedy said:
. I would not want to come here and be the HC of a team where the GM is all up in my shit during the game
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I don’t know that he’s up your **** during the game anymore than Romeo is telling Lovie what to do.

The article makes it seem like that’s the case. But that’s not the impression I get from Nick when he explained the process (in one of the videos in the Caserio thread) and it’s not the impression I get from Culley when he explained the process.

he gave an example, about letting the Bills score (I think it was the Bills). They were saying let them score, Culley said no. The team didn’t “let” them score.

Personally I like that Culley is making game decisions even on the defensive side of the ball. I don’t agree with the decision, but it sounds to me Culley is our HC, and not a glorified OC, like our last two HCs.
 
Speedy said:
Maybe. Like I said, I have never heard of a GM, that wasn't also a HC, on the in-game headset convo. Maybe it's happened, I've just never heard of it before. GMs are usually in their suits in their suites, watching the game.

And maybe it's happening too, because Culley is not HC material. Maybe that doesn't happen with a real HC in here. Otherwise, you're right. I would not want to come here and be the HC of a team where the GM is all up in my shit during the game. Before and after, fine. But if you hire me to be the HC then get the hell out of my way and let me coach.
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There wasn't any problems with Caserio doing this in Foxboro and I will be if McDaniels comes to Kirby there wont be any problems then either.
 
thunderkyss said:
He didn’t just start doing this. This is what he does. What he’s been doing. What he did in New England.

He’s even out there on the practice field, throwing balls to receivers.


I don’t know that he’s up your **** during the game anymore than Romeo is telling Lovie what to do.

The article makes it seem like that’s the case. But that’s not the impression I get from Nick when he explained the process (in one of the videos in the Caserio thread) and it’s not the impression I get from Culley when he explained the process.

he gave an example, about letting the Bills score (I think it was the Bills). They were saying let them score, Culley said no. The team didn’t “let” them score.

Personally I like that Culley is making game decisions even on the defensive side of the ball. I don’t agree with the decision, but it sounds to me Culley is our HC, and not a glorified OC, like our last two HCs.
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RAC is a coach. That's a little apples to oranges there.

At least one of those last 2 HC/glorified OC, actually knew something about offense. He just wasn't very good with the rest of it. The last one wasn't very good at any of it. And this current HC, I have no idea what he's good at.
 
Speedy said:
RAC is a coach. That's a little apples to oranges there
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The point is RAC isn’t making decisions. He’s not telling Lovie what to do.


Speedy said:
At least one of those last 2 HC/glorified OC, actually knew something about offense. He just wasn't very good with the rest of it. The last one wasn't very good at any of it
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IMO time to try something different
 
TheRealJoker said:
Caserio gets to communicate with the HC during games. I suspect that shortens the list of HC candidates quite a bit when the question is asked during an interview, “Are you ok with me telling you what to do during a game?”

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Nick Caserio, David Culley regularly communicate during games

A mild buzz emerged from Houston today after Texans coach David Culley spoke freely and candidly about his in-game communications with G.M.
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com profootballtalk.nbcsports.com
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I said weeks ago that Caserio be in Culley’s ear during the game barking out instructions. Lol that is not good whatsoever. Only the Texans with this ash backwards foolery.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I said weeks ago that Caserio be in Culley’s ear during the game barking out instructions. Lol that is not good whatsoever. Only the Texans with this ash backwards foolery.
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Can anyone imagine Jerry Jones getting on a headset with Jimmy Johnson or a GM getting in Parcells ear? I'm not comparing Culley to Johnson or Parcells, just a note on how HCs usually react to a GM being on their headset and making game "suggestions".

It appears the Texans have a GM who wants to control the coaching staff and a VP of football Ops who wants to have his finger on the pulse of everyone in the organization. IMHO, it seems the Texans are in this weird period where they appear to be operating outside of what is consider normal for an NFL franchise.

IMHO. As a fan observing this franchise without the benefit of any insider sources. It appears when compared to the majority of NFL teams, the manner the Texans are running their organization is an outlier. Also, I don't know if the fanbase is going through a Stockholm syndrome type change, but some of these posts seems to adopt the stance that this top down leadership of Caserio and Easterby with their hands on approach to the coaching staff and personnel is normal or business as usual for an NFL franchise. Time will tell.
 
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steelbtexan said:
He must've had the headset on for a reason. Otherwise it was just there to mess up his hair.
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I know in "Nick we trust", but I doubt he was in Belichick's ear and making "suggestions" to the HC. It appears he was a second set of eyes for McDaniels doing what most offensive assistants in the booth would do.

“Nick Caserio’s been talking to me for the better part of 10 years,” McDaniels said. “He tells me where the ball’s at, what hash it’s on, what’s the down and distance. He’ll say, ‘Left hash, second and 7 at the 33.’ Then sometimes I’ll call the personnel, then he’ll say, ‘Hey, they subbed nickel in.’ He’ll continue to communicate with me until the end.”

Inside Bill Belichick and the Patriots headset communication system on game day - Footballscoop
 
steelbtexan said:
He must've had the headset on for a reason. Otherwise it was just there to mess up his hair.
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From the article I linked earlier:

“ As McClain noted when he reported that Caserio would have a headset, Caserio did that in New England with coach Bill Belichick. The difference, as a source with knowledge of the dynamics in New England explains it to PFT, is that Belichick wanted Caserio to have a headset in order to better understand the decisions made during games, and the connection between the issues arising in games and the ongoing search for the right players. Caserio didn’t have the headset to speak, but to listen. In Houston, Culley isn’t the one who implemented this approach; Caserio did. And Caserio uses it to speak, not to listen.”
 
Earl34 said:
... but some of these posts seems to adopt the stance that this top down leadership of Caserio and Easterby with their hands on approach to the coaching staff and personnel is normal or business as usual for an NFL franchise. Time will tell.
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No, not necessarily "normal or business as usual". But definitely a credible business model which can be adopted by the Texans organization. Whether this is temporary or a permanent organizational change, time will tell. But not unprecedented.

Al Davis was very much a hands on owner/GM. At one time he was even down on the sidelines during games, "coaching", until the NFL changed the rules and put a stop to this level of engagement. Googling, this would have been after '65. Davis was HC '63-'65; owner/gm '66-2011.
 
Earl34 said:
but some of these posts seems to adopt the stance that this top down leadership of Caserio and Easterby with their hands on approach to the coaching staff and personnel is normal or business as usual for an NFL franchise.
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Number19 said:
No, not necessarily "normal or business as usual"
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I disagree. I think it’s completely normal especially in a normal organization where the GM hires the HC.

The method may be different. Caserio has a background in coaching & things have just naturally developed for him this way.

Kubiak & O’Brien met with Bob daily. It’s really the same thing. Except our GM (a genuine football guy) is holding the HC accountable instead of a disinterested owner.

again, the particular method is different. Not the norm. But the general concept is the same.

I’ll go back to the example Culley used, the Patriots two minutes when Caserio & RAC we’re telling him to let the Patriots score.

if Culley were to say, “I wanted to let them score, but was overruled” that would be a problem.

but for Culley to say, “They had their ideas, but the decision is mine.” That’s the way it should be.
 
I wonder if he started getting on the headset and "suggesting" after some of DC gaffes for game management. Maybe he saw too much ineptitude and patched it this way while DC gets more game management experience. I think very odd for the GM to do this, but I do think most coaches have someone in their ear with the analytics numbers etc. I did like the mock game management things they discussed, going over some real live situations and discussing what and why made sense
 
Double Barrel said:
At least Culley's headset is plugged in! Bud Adams made Jack Pardee wear a headset (that he didn't plug in) because he thought it made the head coach look more coachy. lol
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For some reason. Whenever Pardee is mentioned. I always recall him on the sidelines doing a windmill motion with his hands. I don't know if he was telling the offense to hurry up or if he had a previous rotator cuff injury and was loosening up his shoulder.

As far as Culley. I wonder how many times his headset is on and Caserio hears him chewing on that gum. LOL.
 
Earl34 said:
For some reason. Whenever Pardee is mentioned. I always recall him on the sidelines doing a windmill motion with his hands. I don't know if he was telling the offense to hurry up or if he had a previous rotator cuff injury and was loosening up his shoulder.

As far as Culley. I wonder how many times his headset is on and Caserio hears him chewing on that gum. LOL.
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I am worried that Culley will bite his own tongue off.
 
thunderkyss said:
I disagree. I think it’s completely normal especially in a normal organization where the GM hires the HC.

The method may be different. Caserio has a background in coaching & things have just naturally developed for him this way.

Kubiak & O’Brien met with Bob daily. It’s really the same thing. Except our GM (a genuine football guy) is holding the HC accountable instead of a disinterested owner.

again, the particular method is different. Not the norm. But the general concept is the same.

I’ll go back to the example Culley used, the Patriots two minutes when Caserio & RAC we’re telling him to let the Patriots score.

if Culley were to say, “I wanted to let them score, but was overruled” that would be a problem.

but for Culley to say, “They had their ideas, but the decision is mine.” That’s the way it should be.
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Wait a minute. Caserio spent one year as an NFL WR coach. Exactly where did he get this background in coaching?

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Texansballer74 said:
I said weeks ago that Caserio be in Culley’s ear during the game barking out instructions. Lol that is not good whatsoever. Only the Texans with this ash backwards foolery.
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I can see the good and bad.

Caserio understands better than most GMs what is going on in the game and what type of players are needed. Belicheck made sure of that. Caserio didn’t communicate with Belicheck but he did with McDaniels.

But the GM isn’t staying in his lane. He isn’t calling plays (yet?) but his in the coaches ear. That could be a bad thing when attracting a new coach.
 
TexansBull said:
I can see the good and bad.

Caserio understands better than most GMs what is going on in the game and what type of players are needed. Belicheck made sure of that. Caserio didn’t communicate with Belicheck but he did with McDaniels.

But the GM isn’t staying in his lane. He isn’t calling plays (yet?) but his in the coaches ear. That could be a bad thing when attracting a new coach.
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Depends on the coach Caserio hires

Example: do you think McDaniels would have a problem with this?
 
steelbtexan said:
Depends on the coach Caserio hires

Example: do you think McDaniels would have a problem with this?
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I think the signs all point to McDaniels eventually being here if he wants it. He's had a working relationship with Caserio for years, his brother is already here, and the Texans owners are the most patient of all 32 franchises.

I'm ambivalent about McDaniels. He wasted a 1st round pick on Tim Tebow, but also won a playoff game with Tim Tebow.

His behavior with Indy was flaky as hell, and being flaky is one of those personality flaws that I personally cannot stand and do not tolerate in my own life.

But, the Texans are the epitome of flaky from the owners on down so maybe he'll just fit right in.
 
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