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Bradley Roby Traded to Saints

Lucky

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Because the Saints didn't have the cap space to take on Roby's contract.
This has been missed by most. No deal if Texans don’t eat the 7M.
Maybe the Saints need Nick Caserio as their GM? Because even Nick knows how to restructure salaries to get cap space. Come on, you guys know better than make these ridiculous statements.
Roby was a first round pick by Denver. About every report I’ve read about him lately from the “experts” is that he NEVER lived up to that billing.
Maybe. But, Roby was still the best CB the Texans had. The worst roster in the NFL just got worse.

And you still don't think this team is tanking. LOL.

I'm just wondering why most of the trades involving the giving team to eat a big pile of money, why are the Texans the one eating the money?
Because there has never been an exorcism to rid the Texans of Bill O'Brien's spirit.
 

Lucky

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Thanks for showing the false narrative that the Texans needed to eat that salary to make the trade.

I am absolutely pro trading Roby, or any other Texans player who won't be around when the Texans are ready to compete. Trading them for value. I also have no problem spending unused cap space for draft picks. The Browns invented that with the help of Rick Smith. A good move for a rebuilding franchise.

But, the floor for Roby was a 3rd round pick. And essentially, that's Caserio what got back. Plus basically paying Roby's salary. Caserio pulled a Bill O'Brien. Most everyone here would have eviscerated O'Brien had he made this trade. But, Caserio gets a pass. Or even an "Atta Boy!" from some. Caserio has yet to win a trade he's made. I wanted him to win this one. He didn't.
 

DBCooper

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Caserio stepped into a devastation. I don’t know if he’ll be good at this now or not, but the goals he’s trying to accomplish are very clear.

1. Field a team from the destruction wrought forth by Tommy Boy, Wormtongue, and Tweedle Dum. (Not to mention our only great player literally showing his ass and then quitting on the
team)

2. Clear future cap space because of the horrible GM skills of Tweedle Dum.

3. Stockpile high draft picks to build through future draft.

He’s hiring all JAG players on short term deals so that later on after this mess is somewhat cleaned he can draft and hire free agents whom he likes.

I’m going to just watch him do his thing for now.
 

Texian

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Thanks for showing the false narrative that the Texans needed to eat that salary to make the trade.

I am absolutely pro trading Roby, or any other Texans player who won't be around when the Texans are ready to compete. Trading them for value. I also have no problem spending unused cap space for draft picks. The Browns invented that with the help of Rick Smith. A good move for a rebuilding franchise.

But, the floor for Roby was a 3rd round pick. And essentially, that's Caserio what got back. Plus basically paying Roby's salary. Caserio pulled a Bill O'Brien. Most everyone here would have eviscerated O'Brien had he made this trade. But, Caserio gets a pass. Or even an "Atta Boy!" from some. Caserio has yet to win a trade he's made. I wanted him to win this one. He didn't.
Well said. Another case and point of Caserio not really understanding what he is doing.
 

TexansBull

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Thanks for showing the false narrative that the Texans needed to eat that salary to make the trade.

I am absolutely pro trading Roby, or any other Texans player who won't be around when the Texans are ready to compete. Trading them for value. I also have no problem spending unused cap space for draft picks. The Browns invented that with the help of Rick Smith. A good move for a rebuilding franchise.

But, the floor for Roby was a 3rd round pick. And essentially, that's Caserio what got back. Plus basically paying Roby's salary. Caserio pulled a Bill O'Brien. Most everyone here would have eviscerated O'Brien had he made this trade. But, Caserio gets a pass. Or even an "Atta Boy!" from some. Caserio has yet to win a trade he's made. I wanted him to win this one. He didn't.
How is the floor for Roby a third?
 

Dejaview

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Maybe the Saints need Nick Caserio as their GM? Because even Nick knows how to restructure salaries to get cap space. Come on, you guys know better than make these ridiculous statements.

Maybe. But, Roby was still the best CB the Texans had. The worst roster in the NFL just got worse.

And you still don't think this team is tanking. LOL.


Because there has never been an exorcism to rid the Texans of Bill O'Brien's spirit.
Lol, no I don’t. They are coaching hard, good fundamentals, aggression, smart ball security and takeaway fundamentals, constantly bringing in players in an effort to upgrade the roster, all the while preparing for next years draft. If you tank you are at least two years out from getting your new identity implemented. NC isn’t that stupid or patient. I see a constant exorcism of everything Bill O’Brien going on daily (and please no more Easterby crap that is both religious and political because it is associated with the conservative McNairs). The guy hasn’t been gone one year and this new regime hasn’t played one regular season game yet. They are still in the spinning head green puke phase. Roby is part of the exorcism. Guy will be 30 when the rebuild starts in earnest next year. Let it happen.
 

steelbtexan

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Thanks for showing the false narrative that the Texans needed to eat that salary to make the trade.

I am absolutely pro trading Roby, or any other Texans player who won't be around when the Texans are ready to compete. Trading them for value. I also have no problem spending unused cap space for draft picks. The Browns invented that with the help of Rick Smith. A good move for a rebuilding franchise.

But, the floor for Roby was a 3rd round pick. And essentially, that's Caserio what got back. Plus basically paying Roby's salary. Caserio pulled a Bill O'Brien. Most everyone here would have eviscerated O'Brien had he made this trade. But, Caserio gets a pass. Or even an "Atta Boy!" from some. Caserio has yet to win a trade he's made. I wanted him to win this one. He didn't.
Nope, due to the PED hanging over Roby's head the ceiling was and always has been a 3rd.

Texans fans value their guys way to much. The only players currently on the team that are worth a 2nd or better are Tunsil/Cooks.
 

steelbtexan

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Lol, no I don’t. They are coaching hard, good fundamentals, aggression, smart ball security and takeaway fundamentals, constantly bringing in players in an effort to upgrade the roster, all the while preparing for next years draft. If you tank you are at least two years out from getting your new identity implemented. NC isn’t that stupid or patient. I see a constant exorcism of everything Bill O’Brien going on daily (and please no more Easterby crap that is both religious and political because it is associated with the conservative McNairs). The guy hasn’t been gone one year and this new regime hasn’t played one regular season game yet. They are still in the spinning head green puke phase. Roby is part of the exorcism. Guy will be 30 when the rebuild starts in earnest next year. Let it happen.
Liked for people here with head spinning and green puke reference. This perfectly describes some on this MB.
 

Dejaview

All Pro
Nope, due to the PED hanging over Roby's head the ceiling was and always has been a 3rd.

Texans fans value their guys way to much. The only players currently on the team that are worth a 2nd or better are Tunsil/Cooks.
Yep. And this Slay comparison?…slay’s career stats are easily better without the PED’s. He was also traded before TC and had the benefit of learning the defense and the communication between the DB’s. And he was available for the full slate of the season. A third for 29 year old Roby to a team going nowhere is a steal.
 

TexansBull

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I'm just wondering why most of the trades involving the giving team to eat a big pile of money, why are the Texans the one eating the money?




This is just as bad as my speculative scenario, except I'm considering the Saints were in a bind for a starting CB.

No way we should consider trading our starting corner back for a 5th round pick.

Their 3rd round compensatory should have been the baseline. It's basically an early 4th as all 32 teams have already made their 3rd round selection.

$7M should, imo, move us up to a 2nd. Or a 2023 pick that would make up the difference in value. 2021 3rd, plus 2022 3rd. We can make the 2023 3rd conditional.

If that's too rich for New Orleans, we don't do the deal & trade Roby in April.

We save $2M trading him now. Just doesn’t make sense.


I don't think he was hoodwinked as much as this feels like an O'Brien "get him out of Houston now." Kind of trade & not a "best for the Houston Texans" Kind of trade.
Did Detroit eat $7M? We ate $7M and got a future conditional 6th.





There's no "market" four days before game 1. There's blood in the water, big fish feast, guppies get ate.

No reason for the Texans to do this trade like this right now. Wait until April & you probably get a deal closer to the Darius Slay deal without dropping your pants.
An aging 29 year old, injury plagued, PED suspended cornerback. Whose contract was written by OB and Easterby. Who can’t even play the first game of the season. What is going to happen to his play when he comes off PEDs?

How is the floor a 3rd? How is his play and history comparable to Darius Slay? Did slay get suspended for PEDs? Did Roby ever make the Pro Bowl or be selected First Team All Pro? Did Roby have as many tackles and interceptions as Roby over the a two year period prior to being traded?

I will save you the research because no he didn’t.

The floor wasn’t a third. There are facts, stats and data to support that argument.

The market in April? Do you mean November?

You defeated yourself because you have already paid some of Roby’s salary so you the 7 million shouldn’t matter by November. I am not doing the math how much. 3-4 million?

Then in November teams that thought they were going to be in the playoffs (Maybe the Saints?) aren’t. Now your market is considerably smaller because teams may not be looking for this year, but next year.

The market is now because teams want to win now.
 

steelbtexan

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We have no players on this team that can make a huge difference. Except one, and he's not playing with anyone except his lawyers and his twitter account. :lol:
That one lead the team to a 4 win season last yr.
 

IDEXAN

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Thanks for showing the false narrative that the Texans needed to eat that salary to make the trade.

I am absolutely pro trading Roby, or any other Texans player who won't be around when the Texans are ready to compete. Trading them for value. I also have no problem spending unused cap space for draft picks. The Browns invented that with the help of Rick Smith. A good move for a rebuilding franchise.

But, the floor for Roby was a 3rd round pick. And essentially, that's Caserio what got back. Plus basically paying Roby's salary. Caserio pulled a Bill O'Brien. Most everyone here would have eviscerated O'Brien had he made this trade. But, Caserio gets a pass. Or even an "Atta Boy!" from some. Caserio has yet to win a trade he's made. I wanted him to win this one. He didn't.
Stop it you are acting like a troll ! Are you a troll Lucky ?
A third round pick would have no doubt been O'Briens ceiling and I only shudder to wonder what we might have actually ended up with
if O'Brien was still at the controls here ?
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Bradley Roby traded to Saints for 3rd rounder 2022, conditional 2023 6th round draft pick, with Texans paying $7 million of his 2022 salary in bonus conversion for cap-strapped Saint (the Saints will pay the remainder, which is about $1.8 million). The Texans have essentially bought a 3rd round pick.
 
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thunderkyss

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Trading Roby does not make the Texans go from a possible playoff or even .500 team to not. But it does give them picks for the future they could use on grabbing another solid player (or two) that would be on their rookie contract instead of the $ Roby was making as a vet.
I really don't think anyone is upset about trading Roby.


The issue is a matter of compensation. This isn't as bad a Bill O'Brien trade. But it's closer to a Bill O'Brien trade than a good trade. As been stated, we could have traded Roby in January, not have to pay $7M of his 2021 salary, & received similar draft picks. Maybe not a 3rd & future conditional 6th, but maybe a 4th in the 2021 draft. Or wait until next season & receive a 4th in the 2022 draft.
 

thunderkyss

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Interesting to note:

The Panthers are paying 7 million of QB Teddy Bridgewater’s salary this season. They got a 6th round pick from the Broncos this season.

The Texans are getting a 3rd plus an additional conditional pick in 2023 for the CB Roby.

Interesting in that the Broncos don't expect Bridgewater to play this season?
 

CloakNNNdagger

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The Texans are working out corner Dre Kirkpatrick. He struggled in coverage for most of last season. His PFF rating was 49, ranking 105th out of 121 qualified cCBs. His PFF coverage grade was 46.1, as he allowed the fourth-highest completion percentage (66 percent) out of the 15 players with at least 94 targets.
 

thunderkyss

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How is the floor a 3rd? How is his play and history comparable to Darius Slay?
I believe it was you who brought Slay into the conversation. Detroit got a 3rd & 5th in the current draft without having to pay any of Slay's salary.

That third & 5th is 2nd round value. Or at least a high third.

I'm saying in comparison to that, Roby's value (because he is not of the same caliber) should be lower. A compensatory 3rd... a high 4th.

Without having to pay $7M of his salary.

Slay is worth a 2nd/High 3rd..... Roby is worth a low 3rd/high 4th.

If we're going to pay $7M (which I don't mind) That conditional 6th should have been a conditional 4th/low 3rd. & the Saints picks are going to most likely be low in the round.
 

CstatTexan

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This team is historically bad at making deals and drafting talent. Let’s hope at least one of those changes with the new regime. Hard to say right now..

NC hasn’t necessarily had a bad deal yet but far from impressive. I think below average to average is a fair grade so far
 

steelbtexan

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I really don't think anyone is upset about trading Roby.


The issue is a matter of compensation. This isn't as bad a Bill O'Brien trade. But it's closer to a Bill O'Brien trade than a good trade. As been stated, we could have traded Roby in January, not have to pay $7M of his 2021 salary, & received similar draft picks. Maybe not a 3rd & future conditional 6th, but maybe a 4th in the 2021 draft. Or wait until next season & receive a 4th in the 2022 draft.
Or he could've gotten popped for PED's again and Caserio would've gotten nothing. I can just imagine this MB if that scenario had played out where nothing was gotten for Roby.
 

thunderkyss

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Or he could've gotten popped for PED's again and Caserio would've gotten nothing. I can just imagine this MB if that scenario had played out where nothing was gotten for Roby.
It would be pretty similar to this. We got nothing for Roby. We paid $7M for a 3rd round pick.
 

steelbtexan

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Exactly, we should be the one holding other teams, who want to win over the barrel. Value should be in our favor. I can't imagine anyone thinking the Texans are the winners in this trade... I mean other than guys on this board.
Depends on how good they do in the draft.
 

leebigeztx

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I really don't think anyone is upset about trading Roby.


The issue is a matter of compensation. This isn't as bad a Bill O'Brien trade. But it's closer to a Bill O'Brien trade than a good trade. As been stated, we could have traded Roby in January, not have to pay $7M of his 2021 salary, & received similar draft picks. Maybe not a 3rd & future conditional 6th, but maybe a 4th in the 2021 draft. Or wait until next season & receive a 4th in the 2022 draft.
Facts
 

Carr Bombed

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why are people bitching about the salary cap again? We've had this conversation numerous times. You can't be in salary hell when you suck/rebuilding and have no stars that need to be resigned in the foreseeable future. Texans will have the largest cap space in the league in a couple of seasons. People bitching about 7 million they picked up to move Roby act like they had to personally pay it, they didn't.
 

TexansBull

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I believe it was you who brought Slay into the conversation. Detroit got a 3rd & 5th in the current draft without having to pay any of Slay's salary.

That third & 5th is 2nd round value. Or at least a high third.

I'm saying in comparison to that, Roby's value (because he is not of the same caliber) should be lower. A compensatory 3rd... a high 4th.

Without having to pay $7M of his salary.

Slay is worth a 2nd/High 3rd..... Roby is worth a low 3rd/high 4th.

If we're going to pay $7M (which I don't mind) That conditional 6th should have been a conditional 4th/low 3rd. & the Saints picks are going to most likely be low in the round.
Exactly, we should be the one holding other teams, who want to win over the barrel. Value should be in our favor. I can't imagine anyone thinking the Texans are the winners in this trade... I mean other than guys on this board.
I brought up Slay and AJ Bouye (who only got a 4th.) I don’t know why you attached to Slay. Slays numbers should let you know anything close we got to those picks is the premium because of the 7M. Any comparison other than that is out the window.

Roby’s value is less than what you believe it to be. You have a value in your head. That’s fine. I am just saying it is higher than what NFL teams have. And it may be because of the PEDs, the team suspension record, his age, and lack of Pro Bowl -and All Pro credentials that makes Roby’s value lower.

Bouye was a 4th round trade and he went to the Pro Bowl. He was cut by the Broncos. He also had a PED suspension.

At least start the discussion as Roby would have gotten us a 4th and the 7 million should have bought us more then moving up one round and the conditional pick.

The Saints are being led by Jamis Winston. He is the guy on the right eating the “W”. The guy on the left doesn’t play for them anymore.

Can the Saints beat the Bucs to win their division? Mmmm. Probably not unless time catches Brady this year.

 

thunderkyss

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Slays numbers should let you know anything close we got to those picks is the premium because of the 7M. Any comparison other than that is out the window.
I'm saying the same thing. To be clear, are you saying a 3rd & a 5th in one draft is "close" to a 3rd in the current draft & a 6th in a future draft?

I'm saying it is not. But since we paid the $7M, it should be. That future 6th should have been a future 4th, since we paid $7M.
 

thunderkyss

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At least start the discussion as Roby would have gotten us a 4th and the 7 million should have bought us more then moving up one round and the conditional pick.
I did.

I believe it was you who brought Slay into the conversation. Detroit got a 3rd & 5th in the current draft without having to pay any of Slay's salary.

That third & 5th is 2nd round value. Or at least a high third.

I'm saying in comparison to that, Roby's value (because he is not of the same caliber) should be lower. A compensatory 3rd... a high 4th.

Without having to pay $7M of his salary.

Slay is worth a 2nd/High 3rd..... Roby is worth a low 3rd/high 4th.

If we're going to pay $7M (which I don't mind) That conditional 6th should have been a conditional 4th/low 3rd. & the Saints picks are going to most likely be low in the round.
Good point about Winston.
 

TexansBull

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I'm saying the same thing. To be clear, are you saying a 3rd & a 5th in one draft is "close" to a 3rd in the current draft & a 6th in a future draft?

I'm saying it is not. But since we paid the $7M, it should be. That future 6th should have been a future 4th, since we paid $7M.
No - I am saying getting a 3rd and a conditional 6th is better than Roby’s value and that’s what the 7 M got us. Plus the conditional.

Roby’s value maybe somewhere around a 4th or 5th.

I just hope this just wasn’t a deal done with NO only and that a few other franchises were felt out.
 

Number19

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Nope, due to the PED hanging over Roby's head the ceiling was and always has been a 3rd.

Texans fans value their guys way to much. The only players currently on the team that are worth a 2nd or better are Tunsil/Cooks.
I think I'd add Tytus Howard.

Also, Omenihu, although this year is a prove it year. And what about Justin Reid, although he may be borderline 2/3.

The Texans have a solid, though small, group of young, core players to rebuild around.

To the above players, I'd add Nico Collins, Jordan Akins, Pharoah Brown, Charlie Heck, Roy Lopez, Ross Blacklock.

These are all players I'd hold on to.
 

Lucky

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I brought up Slay and AJ Bouye (who only got a 4th.)
Darius Slay was demanding a new contract. Which he received after the trade to the Eagles. $26 million in guaranteed money. That lowered Slay's value, which would have easily been a 2nd round pick +. Bouye returned a 4th round pick. But, the Broncos payed his $10 million salary.
 

Dejaview

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I really don't think anyone is upset about trading Roby.


The issue is a matter of compensation. This isn't as bad a Bill O'Brien trade. But it's closer to a Bill O'Brien trade than a good trade. As been stated, we could have traded Roby in January, not have to pay $7M of his 2021 salary, & received similar draft picks. Maybe not a 3rd & future conditional 6th, but maybe a 4th in the 2021 draft. Or wait until next season & receive a 4th in the 2022 draft.
Come on man. If we traded him any of the other eleven months of the year the trolls would still be out in numbers doing the norm. Does anyone even know what was said between Lovie and NC when the trade issue was raised? NC had to get an appraisal on the guy. And if we traded him for your 4th you would have never heard the end of it. Since EVERYONE loves to play the what if game, what if we keep him, going nowhere this year, then he gets suspended or concussed (I think he had issues with it?). My guess then is he would make more money throwing newspapers than playing football again. BTW, from what I think I’ve been hearing it was the Saints who instigated the trade. i think the Texans listened, talked and said OK. What if’s don’t mean anything in real time.
 

TexansThunder

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Thanks for showing the false narrative that the Texans needed to eat that salary to make the trade.

I am absolutely pro trading Roby, or any other Texans player who won't be around when the Texans are ready to compete. Trading them for value. I also have no problem spending unused cap space for draft picks. The Browns invented that with the help of Rick Smith. A good move for a rebuilding franchise.

But, the floor for Roby was a 3rd round pick. And essentially, that's Caserio what got back. Plus basically paying Roby's salary. Caserio pulled a Bill O'Brien. Most everyone here would have eviscerated O'Brien had he made this trade. But, Caserio gets a pass. Or even an "Atta Boy!" from some. Caserio has yet to win a trade he's made. I wanted him to win this one. He didn't.
Saints are the clear winners in this trade.
 

banned1976

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Caserio stepped into a devastation. I don’t know if he’ll be good at this now or not, but the goals he’s trying to accomplish are very clear.

1. Field a team from the destruction wrought forth by Tommy Boy, Wormtongue, and Tweedle Dum. (Not to mention our only great player literally showing his ass and then quitting on the
team)

2. Clear future cap space because of the horrible GM skills of Tweedle Dum.

3. Stockpile high draft picks to build through future draft.

He’s hiring all JAG players on short term deals so that later on after this mess is somewhat cleaned he can draft and hire free agents whom he likes.

I’m going to just watch him do his thing for now.
I love analogies.

Caserio is the power company trying to get electricity turned back on after Hurricane's Bill and Easterby swept through Houston. The fly in the ointment are the tornadoes swirling around Deshaun Watson. With a "real" GM here now, Hurricane Easterby has been downgraded to a tropical storm but he's still dumping rain on us.

I'm like you, I'm waiting to see how this all pans out. That said, I'm not going to ignore Caserio's "busy work". I don't know if he's making things better or worse. Well, I know the roster is worse with the trading of Roby. But I don't think losing him moves the needle much, if any. The Texans defense is going to possibly be historically bad and the offense will probably be not far behind them.

Next year is going to be crucial for the Texans and Caserio. Power will either be restored or we'll be bracing for another storm.
 
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banned1976

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About the compensation for Roby, analysis of draft picks over the last 10 years tell us the Texans will have around a 38% chance of drafting a starter (a pretty low bar) with the pick they receive in the 3rd round. You either like those odds or you don't.
 

AcresHomesTexan

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About the compensation for Roby, analysis of draft picks over the last 10 years tell us the Texans will have around a 38% chance of drafting a starter (a pretty low bar) with the pick they receive in the 3rd round. You either like those odds or you don't.
From the last time I read on this stuff, this is right at league average for 3rd rounder, fwiw
 

Dakota

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If the roster next year looks anything like it does this year, I'd say there's a pretty decent chance a 3rd rounder becomes a starter.
 

sandman

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About the compensation for Roby, analysis of draft picks over the last 10 years tell us the Texans will have around a 38% chance of drafting a starter (a pretty low bar) with the pick they receive in the 3rd round. You either like those odds or you don't.
Was the league average over those 10 years part of the analysis referenced? Hard to say if you like those odds not knowing the baseline. 38% would suck if the league average was over 50%, not so much if it is under.
 

Texian

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If the roster next year looks anything like it does this year, I'd say there's a pretty decent chance a 3rd rounder becomes a starter.
Then by all accounts and using the same reasoning, the Texans two 3rd RD draft picks from this year should be starting this year and they are not.
 
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