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Dejaview said:
It’s a first time two week period before the first game. One afternoon practice forgone for players to bond after the cuts is a green light tacit tank indicator and a trade indicator for DW? Wow. I remember the last regime would give surprise days off even cancelling practices if a certain FG was made As an incentive. I would rather see an explanation how three hours over two weeks is a problem? From interviews a lot of these players are actually putting in significant overtime hours.
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I've read about team building events for years, but rarely have heard entire practices being cancelled to do them.

I've read Belichick might do it with his championship caliber teams.

But, a 4 win team needs all the practice time it can get, especially with new coaches and players. JMO

Lucky said:
Bum would invite the families and pets to Friday practices. He was the real deal.
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Yep, but they still practiced.
 
TexansBull said:
Why are people upset if the Texans are tanking?

We’re they going to be a playoff teams if they weren’t? Or even on the cusp of sniffing the playoffs?
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I don’t think anybody’s upset but you still have the deniers out there who don’t believe in or like the tank.

And of course the Texans have to disguise it because they need to sell tickets and merchandise. Even though Caserio basically admitted they were tanking with his results don’t matter, process does comments.
 
banned1976 said:
That said, it does grate on my nerves that he gets to sit on his arse and make over 10 million dollars.
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Not gonna' lie, I despise diva entertainers. And that's all he is to me now. Just another entitled ahole.

banned1976 said:
Yep. The tank is real.
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It goes perfect with the empty tank vibe I get about caring about this franchise. At least I'm honest about it.

Speedy said:
I don’t think anybody’s upset but you still have the deniers out there who don’t believe in or like the tank.

And of course the Texans have to disguise it because they need to sell tickets and merchandise. Even though Caserio basically admitted they were tanking with his results don’t matter, process does comments.
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Yep, I just checked, and there's no tanking discount on the 12,000 tickets still available for game 1.

They expect you to pay full price for an intentionally shitty product.
 
So most rookie 1st week starters are 1st and 2nd round picks (and we knew this before the draft)
Not sure of the last 1st week 3rd rookie QB starter...hell are there that many 3rd QBs who end up starters period?

Lazy and easy to take shots at the Texans (and its the Texans fault), but these random notes aren't anything but that.
 
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ArlingtonTexan said:
So most rookie 1st week starters are 1st and 2nd round picks (and we knew this before the draft)
Not sure of the last 1st week 3rd rookie QB starter...hell are there that many 3rd QBs who end up starters period?

Lazy and easy to take shots at the Texans (and its the Texans fault), but these random notes aren't anything but that.
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That would be Russel Wilson would it? The exception proves the rule I guess, unless there’s been an injury starter in between.

Id think Xavien Howard, Tua, and some picks would not be a terrible return at this point. More picks the better but we have to accept the reality of the situation and accept value on that basis.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
So most rookie 1st week starters are 1st and 2nd round picks (and we knew this before the draft)
Not sure of the last 1st week 3rd rookie QB starter...hell are there that many 3rd QBs who end up starters period?

Lazy and easy to take shots at the Texans (and its the Texans fault), but these random notes aren't anything but that.
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Uhm, okay? This is the Texans Random Thought of the Day Thread. Random thoughts aren't generally exercises in complex hypotheses.

I don't think any one of us expected Davis Mills to start this year. But if you asked us three years ago if we expected to be here now - one of the, if not the worst top to bottom rosters in football, and a team in which the best and worst players were trying to escape as soon as possible, I doubt even the most skeptical Texans fans saw this coming. This team was full-blown Mutiny on the Bounty last year.
 
banned1976 said:
This is the second year in a row that they don’t have a rookie starter.
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Not in defense of any draft day decisions last year or this year, but you are lacking in context while being factually correct. There were two picks in the first three rounds last year. None in the first round, #40 at the top of the second and #90 at the back end of the third round where starters are rare (only one this year after #75). This year there were no first or second round picks.

As far as the third round this year goes, there were 42 total picks with 5 showing on depth charts as starters as of today (yes, I checked them all myself). 2 OL, 2 DL and one WR, with the WR being listed as the Chargers "starting" WR3. Only two of the top ten picks in the round are starters for Week 1.

So all things equal discounting the first two rounds, only 5 teams (16%) have a 3rd round Week 1 starter. Not exactly a condemnation of NC's first draft as a GM.

It was a weak point to try and make for clicks by Texian's analytics guru man-crush.
 
Texans are no way tanking. First, if they are the dogs the media and most folks here think then what possible good will tanking do since most think we will finish last in the league anyway, lol. Many of these players will be on this team next year. It’s time now to instill a new attitude and coach these players up and find something to build on next year. I see positive coaching to eliminate pre snap penalties, getting takeaways, preaching getting 20 hits on the ball every tackle. Camp is coaching aggression on the OL, despite zero to work with it loos like the DL may be deep and capable of getting pressure on the QB without having to blitz every down. There are well defined player profiles to guide future drafts….tall 6’3” + WR’s and small shifty slot receivers. OL got some good young talent and a coach to coach them. This is the turnaround year, not next year. We need to establish that base this year to guide and help make that rookie draft class next year face competition in TC, not face tanked dogs.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
So most rookie 1st week starters are 1st and 2nd round picks (and we knew this before the draft)
Not sure of the last 1st week 3rd rookie QB starter...hell are there that many 3rd QBs who end up starters period?

Lazy and easy to take shots at the Texans (and its the Texans fault), but these random notes aren't anything but that.
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There was Mike Glennon besides Russell Wilson.

As for eventual starters: Schaub and Foles were the good stories; Mallet, not so much.

Bissett would have been a star if he only plays against O'Brien.

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sandman said:
Not in defense of any draft day decisions last year or this year, but you are lacking in context while being factually correct. There were two picks in the first three rounds last year. None in the first round, #40 at the top of the second and #90 at the back end of the third round where starters are rare (only one this year after #75). This year there were no first or second round picks.

As far as the third round this year goes, there were 42 total picks with 5 showing on depth charts as starters as of today (yes, I checked them all myself). 2 OL, 2 DL and one WR, with the WR being listed as the Chargers "starting" WR3. Only two of the top ten picks in the round are starters for Week 1.

So all things equal discounting the first two rounds, only 5 teams (16%) have a 3rd round Week 1 starter. Not exactly a condemnation of NC's first draft as a GM.

It was a weak point to try and make for clicks by Texian's analytics guru man-crush.
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Rookie starter doesn't necessarily equate success. A bad team may have a rookie start sooner or a team that has a weak unit may do the same.

That said, all I know is that the guy I'd rather see the Texans drafted in the third, Jalen Mayfield, is going to start for the Falcons on the offensive line comes Sunday.
 
Dejaview said:
Texans are no way tanking. First, if they are the dogs the media and most folks here think then what possible good will tanking do since most think we will finish last in the league anyway, lol. Many of these players will be on this team next year. It’s time now to instill a new attitude and coach these players up and find something to build on next year. I see positive coaching to eliminate pre snap penalties, getting takeaways, preaching getting 20 hits on the ball every tackle. Camp is coaching aggression on the OL, despite zero to work with it loos like the DL may be deep and capable of getting pressure on the QB without having to blitz every down. There are well defined player profiles to guide future drafts….tall 6’3” + WR’s and small shifty slot receivers. OL got some good young talent and a coach to coach them. This is the turnaround year, not next year. We need to establish that base this year to guide and help make that rookie draft class next year face competition in TC, not face tanked dogs.
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Forwarding this to the Texans marketing/sales/ticket departments with a note attached saying "here's one".
 
banned1976 said:
Uhm, okay? This is the Texans Random Thought of the Day Thread. Random thoughts aren't generally exercises in complex hypotheses.

I don't think any one of us expected Davis Mills to start this year. But if you asked us three years ago if we expected to be here now - one of the, if not the worst top to bottom rosters in football, and a team in which the best and worst players were trying to escape as soon as possible, I doubt even the most skeptical Texans fans saw this coming. This team was full-blown Mutiny on the Bounty last year.
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Had Watson not been doing what he was doing then Hopkins wouldn’t have been traded. We could have fired OB and hired Caserio. Would still have had Watson, Hopkins and but still offloaded Watt. It would have been less of a rebuild. It would have taken 1-2 years vs 3-5.

Thanks Watson.
 
sandman said:
Not in defense of any draft day decisions last year or this year, but you are lacking in context while being factually correct. There were two picks in the first three rounds last year. None in the first round, #40 at the top of the second and #90 at the back end of the third round where starters are rare (only one this year after #75). This year there were no first or second round picks.

As far as the third round this year goes, there were 42 total picks with 5 showing on depth charts as starters as of today (yes, I checked them all myself). 2 OL, 2 DL and one WR, with the WR being listed as the Chargers "starting" WR3. Only two of the top ten picks in the round are starters for Week 1.

So all things equal discounting the first two rounds, only 5 teams (16%) have a 3rd round Week 1 starter. Not exactly a condemnation of NC's first draft as a GM.

It was a weak point to try and make for clicks by Texian's analytics guru man-crush.
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Forget about starting. How many draft picks make some sort of impact? They've already cut 2 of the 5 they had last year. Jury still out on Blacklock, Greenard and Heck.
2019 - Howard has finished 2 seasons on IR, Lonnie Johnson gets moved to safety because it wasn't getting done at CB, Scharping alternates between starting and getting benched. Omenihu, who I think could be this year's sack leader, can't get any love from whoever fills out the unofficial depth chart as he's listed as a 3rd stringer. Warring, Crawford and Gillaspia gave you nothing.

Yeah, it's a little unfair to say these picks aren't starters, but it's more than fair game to question the impact they have. Not a lot going on there. We'll see what this year's crew can do. I expect Collins and Jordan will have an impact. I liked Lopez in the PS, but he did mostly play against 3rd stringers. I can't recall Wallow's name ever being mentioned.
 
Lucky said:
How many of the 53 will be back? 26? More? Less? I put the number at 20. And I'm being generous.
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Gotta play the season first dont ya think? The ideal is to force a starter into a backup role. Stronger team that way. Deeper. We are dumping a lot of salaries, not to tank, but IMO salaries that are disproportionate to performance. No more OB bs. There is so much cleaning up going on too bad so many are missing it. Bitching is the new black.
 
Lucky said:
Did you not say many of these players will be on this team next year? I'm just asking how many is "many"? What's so hard about this?
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It’s damn hard/impossible. I’ve seen a totally remodeled team in a major franchise turnaround play three preseason games with not much exposure of what is the starting ? group. It’s like these worthless threads betting on how many games we will win or if DW will go to jail. All I want to do is trust what I’m given if it seems to be working. I just want to see this history wiped out and for once I’m liking a lot of what I’m seeing. I couldn’t even begin to guess how many will be carried over but for me what is important is to try to understand what this group is trying to build here. It’s actually fun for my simple Homer mind.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Amendola is a fearless slot with a long history of injuries. His knee issues and surgeries have been minimized. He is unlikely to last the season. My guess is that he has been brought in more for his vet guidance.
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My son was an OLman for the Woodlands in Danny’s senior year so I got to see him play a lot. Yeah, I can see the vet guidance aimed at Anthony Miller. Amendola is a pro’s pro even in HS.
 
Speedy said:
Forget about starting. How many draft picks make some sort of impact? They've already cut 2 of the 5 they had last year. Jury still out on Blacklock, Greenard and Heck.
2019 - Howard has finished 2 seasons on IR, Lonnie Johnson gets moved to safety because it wasn't getting done at CB, Scharping alternates between starting and getting benched. Omenihu, who I think could be this year's sack leader, can't get any love from whoever fills out the unofficial depth chart as he's listed as a 3rd stringer. Warring, Crawford and Gillaspia gave you nothing.

Yeah, it's a little unfair to say these picks aren't starters, but it's more than fair game to question the impact they have. Not a lot going on there. We'll see what this year's crew can do. I expect Collins and Jordan will have an impact. I liked Lopez in the PS, but he did mostly play against 3rd stringers. I can't recall Wallow's name ever being mentioned.
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I am just responding to an "experts" bad hot take on no rookies starting this year. Having an impact is a completely different conversation. Are we just going to keep adding draft years to the conversation to make points? OB sucked as a GM. That has been established. One would think you would be happy that NC is getting rid of a lot of the bad draft decisions that OB made.
 
banned1976 said:
Uhm, okay? This is the Texans Random Thought of the Day Thread. Random thoughts aren't generally exercises in complex hypotheses.

I don't think any one of us expected Davis Mills to start this year. But if you asked us three years ago if we expected to be here now - one of the, if not the worst top to bottom rosters in football, and a team in which the best and worst players were trying to escape as soon as possible, I doubt even the most skeptical Texans fans saw this coming. This team was full-blown Mutiny on the Bounty last year.
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"random thought" is just a catch-all thread of stuff that does make sense anywhere else...anyway if someone posts a random thought why isn't open to some other random comment? idonno:

and no even the most pessimistic of us could envision combination of largely historic series negative events coming together starting with the KC playoff game.
 
I feel like whoever plays in the slot will lead the team in receiving on a week to week basis. Whether that’s a WR, TE or one of our RBs motioned out to the slot. Tyrod will be working the slot machines when he’s not handing the ball to one of the RBs.
 
Dejaview said:
Texans are no way tanking. First, if they are the dogs the media and most folks here think then what possible good will tanking do since most think we will finish last in the league anyway, lol. Many of these players will be on this team next year. It’s time now to instill a new attitude and coach these players up and find something to build on next year. I see positive coaching to eliminate pre snap penalties, getting takeaways, preaching getting 20 hits on the ball every tackle. Camp is coaching aggression on the OL, despite zero to work with it loos like the DL may be deep and capable of getting pressure on the QB without having to blitz every down. There are well defined player profiles to guide future drafts….tall 6’3” + WR’s and small shifty slot receivers. OL got some good young talent and a coach to coach them. This is the turnaround year, not next year. We need to establish that base this year to guide and help make that rookie draft class next year face competition in TC, not face tanked dogs.
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Pre trade of Roby, Detroit, Eagles, Jags, Jets and Some say Bengals all in race for 1.1. Only thing that keeps Caserio from Trading Cooks is his $500,000 per game roster bonus.
 
TexansBull said:
Had Watson not been doing what he was doing then Hopkins wouldn’t have been traded. We could have fired OB and hired Caserio. Would still have had Watson, Hopkins and but still offloaded Watt. It would have been less of a rebuild. It would have taken 1-2 years vs an indeterminate period while we hope to get lucky & find a new franchise QB.

Thanks Watson.
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FIFY. :corrosion:
 
Corrosion said:
FIFY. :corrosion:
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Corrosion said:
The fact that they paid so much of is salary .... to go away is pretty telling of their intentions.

Essentially they paid $7m for those picks and to have less talent on the back end.

That's a Hinkie special .... trust the process. (and I'm not mad about it).
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I see it as a 3rd RD pick Caserio will use to trade for a player who would likely be cut, then restructure his contract and then trade him for a 6th RD pick or end up cutting him while eating $8MM of his salary in the process. This seems to be the method to Caserio's madness. There is a 90% chance this 3rd RD pick will not be used by the Texans in the 2022 draft.
 
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Texian said:
(I was actually going for humor instead of drama)
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So was I.


But man , your dislike for Caserio is a little over the top .... it could be worse and it was much worse not long ago when you had the HC / GM trading away the NFL's top WR for peanuts.

I don't like everything he's done , particularly some of the future cap management but otherwise its hard to complain about the "current direction" , lets give it a year and another draft before we crucify the guy ....

This move was to ensure the desired result (a poor record) and buying a 3rd and another draft pick. Not mad about it .... or the coming 0-17 season , they'll lose but not for lack of effort or quality coaching which is more than you could say about the last regime.
 
Corrosion said:
So was I.


But man , your dislike for Caserio is a little over the top .... it could be worse and it was much worse not long ago when you had the HC / GM trading away the NFL's top WR for peanuts.

I don't like everything he's done , particularly some of the future cap management but otherwise its hard to complain about the "current direction" , lets give it a year and another draft before we crucify the guy ....

This move was to ensure the desired result (a poor record) and buying a 3rd and another draft pick. Not mad about it .... or the coming 0-17 season , they'll lose but not for lack of effort or quality coaching which is more than you could say about the last regime.
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You're right, you're absolutely right. My Caserio comments were over the top but it is only because of his recent pattern of behavior coming back to haunt him a little. I'm all for the Roby trade, wanted it done in January. Would've liked to see Cooks go to W/O the restructure. Caserio could garner a handful of Top 100 picks but I just know, somehow, someway they're going to screw it up. Someone just said that 2022 is going to be Texans Year of the Draft. I guess you could say this is true as long as you disregard the Texans 2021 draft.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Yeah these jokers aren’t trying to win
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The interesting part in that is, I don't really feel sorry for any of the players even though the management/ownership of this team has been utterly negligent in their jobs and seem disinterested in winning. In years past I could write "This really sucks for _____, I hope he gets a shot" but I feel so detached from the team that I just don't care. And I don't care about JJ Watt or any of the other players that have left, been traded, or released.

It's no mystery why I feel this way. I feel that none of them ever cared about the fans. Which is fine, I guess. It's just a game.
 
banned1976 said:
The interesting part in that is, I don't really feel sorry for any of the players even though the management/ownership of this team has been utterly negligent in their jobs and seem disinterested in winning. In years past I could write "This really sucks for _____, I hope he gets a shot" but I feel so detached from the team that I just don't care. And I don't care about JJ Watt or any of the other players that have left, been traded, or released.

It's no mystery why I feel this way. I feel that none of them ever cared about the fans. Which is fine, I guess. It's just a game.
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When Nick said this during an interview, “ this year isn’t results driven, it’s process driven”, they lost me. Reason being, you should always attack the season with the mindset to win. If it doesn’t work out for your team, then you start making preparations for the draft and the following year.
 
Corrosion said:
So was I.


But man , your dislike for Caserio is a little over the top .... it could be worse and it was much worse not long ago when you had the HC / GM trading away the NFL's top WR for peanuts.

I don't like everything he's done , particularly some of the future cap management but otherwise its hard to complain about the "current direction" , lets give it a year and another draft before we crucify the guy ....

This move was to ensure the desired result (a poor record) and buying a 3rd and another draft pick. Not mad about it .... or the coming 0-17 season , they'll lose but not for lack of effort or quality coaching which is more than you could say about the last regime.
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Over the top dislike is not reserved for just the GM...
 
banned1976 said:
The interesting part in that is, I don't really feel sorry for any of the players even though the management/ownership of this team has been utterly negligent in their jobs and seem disinterested in winning. In years past I could write "This really sucks for _____, I hope he gets a shot" but I feel so detached from the team that I just don't care. And I don't care about JJ Watt or any of the other players that have left, been traded, or released.

It's no mystery why I feel this way. I feel that none of them ever cared about the fans. Which is fine, I guess. It's just a game.
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You don't think Watt cared about fans?
 
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