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Bradley Roby Traded to Saints

Double Barrel said:
Fixed it for you. :fingergun:



How do you know that? :um:

Easterby is the Executive Vice President of Football Operations for a franchise that has always run its front office as a boardroom, where every executive gets a voice at the table.

And let's not forget that Easterby is also both Cal's and Nick's BFF. Nick wouldn't have the job if not for Jack.

Acting like he's not involved seems like nothing more than wishful thinking, all things considered.
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You don't know this either.

Apparently you don't believe Cal when he said Caserio will be over all things in the football operations side of the team.

So far I've seen nothing to make me think Cal wasn't being truthful.

Fact is some are having issues with the way Caserio is going about cleaning out the roster. I get it, some people don't like change.

Then you have the I hate everything Foxboro crowd, in a addition to the 3rd string QB only fans
 
Double Barrel said:
Fixed it for you. :fingergun:



Nick wouldn't have the job if not for Jack.
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Wrong.

Bob McNair wanted Caserio prior to his death and hiring Easterby. It was after his death that OB and maybe Cal brought over Easterby to lure Caserio away from the Patriots.

Nick always had the job here waiting for him. It was up to the Patriots to let him go and Nick willing to accept the job.

Jack wouldn’t have the job if it wasn’t for Nick. Nick would have had the job with or without Jack.
 
steelbtexan said:
You don't know this either.

Apparently you don't believe Cal when he said Caserio will be over all things in the football operations side of the team.

So far I've seen nothing to make me think Cal wasn't being truthful.

Fact is some are having issues with the way Caserio is going about cleaning out the roster. I get it, some people don't like change.

Then you have the I hate everything Foxboro crowd, in a addition to the 3rd string QB only fans
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I think @Double Barrel just answered this aptly in the trade value thread post #400.
 
Double Barrel said:
Fixed it for you. :fingergun:



How do you know that? :um:

Easterby is the Executive Vice President of Football Operations for a franchise that has always run its front office as a boardroom, where every executive gets a voice at the table.

And let's not forget that Easterby is also both Cal's and Nick's BFF. Nick wouldn't have the job if not for Jack.

Acting like he's not involved seems like nothing more than wishful thinking, all things considered.
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A lot of the moves I have seen since NC got here are not the old moves we used to see IMO. I think NC is pretty much pulling the strings for the most part.
 
Double Barrel said:
Fixed it for you. :fingergun:



How do you know that? :um:

Easterby is the Executive Vice President of Football Operations for a franchise that has always run its front office as a boardroom, where every executive gets a voice at the table.

And let's not forget that Easterby is also both Cal's and Nick's BFF. Nick wouldn't have the job if not for Jack.

Acting like he's not involved seems like nothing more than wishful thinking, all things considered.
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DB I understand you do not like Easterby. I’m sure you cringes every time his name is brought up. But he is not making these moves. Nick is in full control. That’s why we haven’t heard from Cal or Easterby since his arrival.
 
EllisUnit said:
for the most part.
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I agree with the quoted. I've heard n.c. say on the radio Easterby is involved with everything. I think he has a "voice" but not a final word.

I honestly think that's a pretty neutral opinion and no one suggesting it is going out on a limb.
 
So everyone agrees Easterby has some minor say...


And everyone also agrees n.c. also has final say...


Why the hullabaloo?
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
My guess (not in any one poster's head) is that Easterby should not have any say for a variety of reason discussed.
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Sometimes a picture paints the actual truth. Like Easterby being front and center at the head table in the Texans draft room this past draft. Or as Bob Uecker would say, he was down on the front row. (My apologizes to those who don't know who Bob Uecker is).
 
Would love to see the performance tiers and governance details of that conditional pick...
 
Lucky said:
It's the same fluff we heard from O'Brien and everyone that came before. You know, just get good players and win. Winning is the only thing that matters.
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Reading between the lines, Roby did not fit that mantra, otherwise he’d still be here. Hard to get quality corners who can play.
 
beerlover said:
Reading between the lines, Roby did not fit that mantra, otherwise he’d still be here. Hard to get quality corners who can play.
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I'm happy about the 3 (I expected us to do worse) ,but I'm trying to picture us draft a cb in the 3rd as competent as Roby.
 
Wow!! Paying $7M of $9.7M. That's worse than the Clowney deal. And didn't they do something similar with Lawson, converting his money to bonus to the tune of $7M or so, then traded him too?

I can't wait to see how much of Watson's contract they end up paying when they trade him.

I'm still not sure if we got better or worse in the GM department.
 
Speedy said:
Wow!! Paying $7M of $9.7M. That's worse than the Clowney deal. And didn't they do something similar with Lawson, converting his money to bonus to the tune of $7M or so, then traded him too?

I can't wait to see how much of Watson's contract they end up paying when they trade him.

I'm still not sure if we got better or worse in the GM department.
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This team is going nowhere right now. If we can get draft capital for money I'm behind it.
 
Speedy said:
Wow!! Paying $7M of $9.7M. That's worse than the Clowney deal. And didn't they do something similar with Lawson, converting his money to bonus to the tune of $7M or so, then traded him too?
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Yes, they converted Lawson's deal into a bonus, spreading the cap hit over 2 years. $1.7 million in dead money this year. $5.3 million in 2022 dead money.

The 3rd round pick for Roby made sense. But, what's the conditional pick? That's for paying Roby's 2021 salary. What are the conditions? That's going to be the difference between this being a good deal, or the Saints pulling a fast one on Caserio.
 
Speedy said:
Wow!! Paying $7M of $9.7M. That's worse than the Clowney deal. And didn't they do something similar with Lawson, converting his money to bonus to the tune of $7M or so, then traded him too?

I can't wait to see how much of Watson's contract they end up paying when they trade him.

I'm still not sure if we got better or worse in the GM department.
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LOL at people getting upset with this. Imagine thinking that $7MM would've drastically changed any outcomes this year.
 
Dakota said:
What was the alternative here? The deal is obviously not getting done without Texans helping with salary.
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Roby's contract isn't up until after the 2022 season. There was no urgency on the Texans part. And other teams could have been in need of a CB at some point. Unless there is real compensation for paying Roby's salary, it's not a good trade.
 
Lucky said:
Roby's contract isn't up until after the 2022 season. There was no urgency on the Texans part. And other teams could have been in need of a CB at some point. Unless there is real compensation for paying Roby's salary, it's not a good trade.
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The fact that they are willing to part with commodities during rebuild years seems like they are operating with a whole new sense of urgency than we're used to. Where in the franchise re-build playbook would it ever suggest holding on to a guy on a 2 year contract in lieu of gathering as many draft picks as possible?
 
Dakota said:
What was the alternative here? The deal is obviously not getting done without Texans helping with salary. The alternative is keeping him here on a tanking team and watching him walk away for nothing when his contract is up.
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It's not just the Roby deal, although the Roby deal is the right mindset and direction that should've been adopted in January. Building as much draft capital as a tanking team can build is the key to rebuilding a team. NOT trading half of your draft capital away. If there is one thing to learn from Jimmy Johnson and Bill Belichick, the teams who have the most draft picks and draft the most players are the most successful. Teams that trade away their draft capital are not.
 
Speedy said:
Wow!! Paying $7M of $9.7M. That's worse than the Clowney deal. And didn't they do something similar with Lawson, converting his money to bonus to the tune of $7M or so, then traded him too?

I can't wait to see how much of Watson's contract they end up paying when they trade him.

I'm still not sure if we got better or worse in the GM department.
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Things happen here fast, that is it was a different world just a couple years ago at the time of the Clowney trade and the Texans position in the NFL hierarchy as a contender was much different than now because we are in full rebuild mode & the 2021 season is a total mulligan
because the name of the game is first of all acquire and accumulate Draft capital.
 
This is a good trade.

The Texans aren't likely to be a truly competitive team for at least 2 years. Get Watson out of here and whatever else you can put in the NFL's classifieds. Get assets, draft smart and find another QB.

I haven't paid super close attention but this is one of the most sane Texans' moves I've seen in years.

Hopefully this isn't that blind squirrel thing.
 
Do we know if this will be the Saints regular 3rd round pick, or the 3rd round compensatory pick they received when Atlanta hired Terry Fontenot?
 
Dakota said:
What was the alternative here? The deal is obviously not getting done without Texans helping with salary.
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As stated earlier, no reason for the Texans to do any deal unless it accomplished some Texans goal.

We weren’t hurting for cap space & we have all our draft picks for 2022 & 2023. Any trade Caserio does now should be like ice cream on top of peach cobbler.

This is like gluten free gelato.

Or non-alcoholic beer. What’s the point?
 
thunderkyss said:
As stated earlier, no reason for the Texans to do any deal unless it accomplished some Texans goal.

We weren’t hurting for cap space & we have all our draft picks for 2022 & 2023. Any trade Caserio does now should be like ice cream on top of peach cobbler.

This is like gluten free gelato.

Or non-alcoholic beer. What’s the point?
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The goal is rebuilding the roaster. Even though we have all the draft picks of 2022 and 2023 we need more. So many holes.

Using your analogy- we don’t have the milk to make the ice cream or peaches to make peach cobbler.

The only way this doesn’t pay off is if we miss on the pick.
 
Ravens CB Marcus Peters tore his ACL in practice today. As did their RB Gus Edwards. Could Caserio have gotten a better deal from Baltimore? Or at least got the 2 into a bidding war?
 
Jack Burton said:
Yeah, I just can’t complain about this. A 3rd and a conditional pick is excellent considering.
HOU is tanking. Next years draft will be the year of the Texan.
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Agree.
The whining about money is pointless because if you make NO take the whole contract, they likely only give you a 4th.
Or less.
 
Dakota said:
LOL at people getting upset with this. Imagine thinking that $7MM would've drastically changed any outcomes this year.
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IDEXAN said:
Things happen here fast, that is it was a different world just a couple years ago at the time of the Clowney trade and the Texans position in the NFL hierarchy as a contender was much different than now because we are in full rebuild mode & the 2021 season is a total mulligan
because the name of the game is first of all acquire and accumulate Draft capital.
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Just because it's going to be a crap season and you give the guy a mulligan for the disaster he's had to take over, doesn't mean you go out and make a bunch of crap deals just to get rid of people who don't fit their freaking culture, whatever the **** that is.

So far he's thrown away two picks on guys he traded for and cut. One of those players never even saw off-season workouts. Now he's paid $14M to 2 players just to trade, one of them he brought in. He got a 6th for Lawson AND paid him $7M. It seems to me that if you're going to help out a team that much with salary, you should get a little more back. Same with Roby. The 3rd is nice, and I guess we don't know yet what the conditional pick is, but if you're going to help out the team you're trading him to by paying over 70% of his salary, you need to get a better return. Especially for your best player on defense.

I don't think this was the Saints picking up the phone and asking about Roby. Sounds to me like the Texans were trying to Hopkins Roby out of town, and it came down to Caserio saying, look, what if we take on 70%+ of his pay? Would you take him then?

I'm not upset nor do I have an issue with trading Roby, because it likely helps you get closer to #1 next year. I would assume Cooks should be on the move at some point this season as well. Maybe even 1 of the RBs. But damn man, if you're basically going to pay these guys off where the other team takes on very, very little money, I think you need better compensation than you're getting.
 
Texian said:
It's not just the Roby deal, although the Roby deal is the right mindset and direction that should've been adopted in January. Building as much draft capital as a tanking team can build is the key to rebuilding a team. NOT trading half of your draft capital away. If there is one thing to learn from Jimmy Johnson and Bill Belichick, the teams who have the most draft picks and draft the most players are the most successful. Teams that trade away their draft capital are not.
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True, but still have to draft better to take advantage of that draft capital.
 
Lucky said:
Ravens CB Marcus Peters tore his ACL in practice today. As did their RB Gus Edwards. Could Caserio have gotten a better deal from Baltimore? Or at least got the 2 into a bidding war?
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fwiw, this looked have been done before Peters injury,

anyway, did Ravens and Mark Ingram burn bridges (I was thinking before today, and I might put Ingram in bubble wrap)
 
Speedy said:
Just because it's going to be a crap season and you give the guy a mulligan for the disaster he's had to take over, doesn't mean you go out and make a bunch of crap deals just to get rid of people who don't fit their freaking culture, whatever the **** that is.

So far he's thrown away two picks on guys he traded for and cut. One of those players never even saw off-season workouts. Now he's paid $14M to 2 players just to trade, one of them he brought in. He got a 6th for Lawson AND paid him $7M. It seems to me that if you're going to help out a team that much with salary, you should get a little more back. Same with Roby. The 3rd is nice, and I guess we don't know yet what the conditional pick is, but if you're going to help out the team you're trading him to by paying over 70% of his salary, you need to get a better return. Especially for your best player on defense.

I don't think this was the Saints picking up the phone and asking about Roby. Sounds to me like the Texans were trying to Hopkins Roby out of town, and it came down to Caserio saying, look, what if we take on 70%+ of his pay? Would you take him then?

I'm not upset nor do I have an issue with trading Roby, because it likely helps you get closer to #1 next year. I would assume Cooks should be on the move at some point this season as well. Maybe even 1 of the RBs. But damn man, if you're basically going to pay these guys off where the other team takes on very, very little money, I think you need better compensation than you're getting.
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This is why nobody takes this franchise fan base seriously, in what world are you ever going to get a first or second round pick for Roby? What better compensation are you expecting?
 
I feel like some are not grasping the concept fully and we are in full tank mode. That is the reality of the situation, like it or not. It’s like breaking up with a girlfriend but keeping all the pictures instead of deleting them right away, Holding out hope that there still might be a chance. Nick Caserio basically took those photos from your hand, burned them, and then set you up with two future dates. And one of the prospect women is about a 7/8 out of 10 in looks.
 
TexansBull said:
The goal is rebuilding the roaster. Even though we have all the draft picks of 2022 and 2023 we need more. So many holes.

Using your analogy- we don’t have the milk to make the ice cream or peaches to make peach cobbler.

The only way this doesn’t pay off is if we miss on the pick.
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It really depends on the terms of the conditional pick & how that actually plays out. If it's a low pick that might turn into a slightly higher pick, then I don't see the point.

The Texans should be working to improve draft capital & cap space. Not just one or the other. Eating $7M to buy a third & future negligible pick is not good business especially when juxtaposed with all the other questionable moves.
 
thunderkyss said:
It really depends on the terms of the conditional pick & how that actually plays out. If it's a low pick that might turn into a slightly higher pick, then I don't see the point.

The Texans should be working to improve draft capital & cap space. Not just one or the other. Eating $7M to buy a third & future negligible pick is not good business especially when juxtaposed with all the other questionable moves.
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I believe this move helps us with cap space. Unless I'm reading this wrong, by turning this into a signing bonus, the $7M is taken off the books this season, and gives us more cap space next season. NC is using our cap space this year to give us room next year when we need it.
 
Texansphan said:
Agree.
The whining about money is pointless because if you make NO take the whole contract, they likely only give you a 4th.
Or less.
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Did I mistakenly read somewhere that NOLA had some salary cap issues which in part drove the Texans to convert the majority of the salary to a signing bonus? I thought I heard this deal doesn't get done without that, which is why they were able to get a 3rd and a conditional out of the deal.
 
Lucky said:
You can push unused cap space into the next league year.
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I read a while ago, and I don’t know **** about cap rules, that the Texans will carry almost $20MM from this trade into the next two years. Just reporting, not saying it’s true.
 
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Lucky said:
Yes, they converted Lawson's deal into a bonus, spreading the cap hit over 2 years. $1.7 million in dead money this year. $5.3 million in 2022 dead money.

The 3rd round pick for Roby made sense. But, what's the conditional pick? That's for paying Roby's 2021 salary. What are the conditions? That's going to be the difference between this being a good deal, or the Saints pulling a fast one on Caserio.
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My thought is that the conditional pick is for 2021 performance for protection in case the PED’s really worked In 2020.
 
Lucky said:
Ravens CB Marcus Peters tore his ACL in practice today. As did their RB Gus Edwards. Could Caserio have gotten a better deal from Baltimore? Or at least got the 2 into a bidding war?
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Are you saying Caserio has a time machine? Because the deal was agreed to yesterday and details worked out today. Well before Peters tore his ACL.

According to tweets - the Roby deal was done 5 hours. News about Peters was 4 hours ago.
 
vtech9 said:
I believe this move helps us with cap space. Unless I'm reading this wrong, by turning this into a signing bonus, the $7M is taken off the books this season, and gives us more cap space next season. NC is using our cap space this year to give us room next year when we need it.
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So normally if you trade a player with a $9M salary before the season, $9M comes off the books this year & frees up his salary in consecutive seasons.

So what you said, taking $7M hit this year year & freeing more money next season was already the case. There is no benefit for the Texans. In fact, it hurts. We could have pushed the saved $9M salary into next season. As it stands that dropped to $2M because the Texans agreed to pay $7M of his 2021 salary.

Why?

The Texans should have been able to get the Saints compensatory 3rd for Roby. Straight up. If that's the pick we end up getting after paying $7M of that salary, then no... it's a bad deal all around.

You basically bought a 2023 6th round pick for the same money you just spent for a 2022 6th round pick.
 
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