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Speedy said:
They know he's not playing another down for this team, so why take reps away from those who are going to play? If that doesn't clue you guys in, I don't know what will.
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Then why have him out there at all? What's going on now is petty. Shut him down and ask Goodell to put him on the CEL, it's a waste of everyone's time to keep pretending. If Goodell refuses to put him on the CEL for now, then excuse him from being at camp or just let him work out inside the training room only.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
Then why have him out there at all? What's going on now is petty. Shut him down and ask Goodell to put him on the CEL, it's a waste of everyone's time to keep pretending. If Goodell refuses to put him on the CEL for now, then excuse him from being at camp or just let him work out inside the training room only.
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Whose time is he wasting? He's not taking reps away from anybody. He's out there because he's under contract and on the roster. What can the Texans really do? And putting him on the CEL hurts the Texans.

I don't know how this plays out if he still shows up Sept. 12th. I think Watson is going to get his money one way or another, by either showing up, being an inactive and still getting game checks, or going on the CEL. Either way he gets paid. I don't know how the Texans get out of that.
 
Speedy said:
Whose time is he wasting? He's not taking reps away from anybody. He's out there because he's under contract and on the roster. What can the Texans really do? And putting him on the CEL hurts the Texans.

I don't know how this plays out if he still shows up Sept. 12th. I think Watson is going to get his money one way or another, by either showing up, being an inactive and still getting game checks, or going on the CEL. Either way he gets paid. I don't know how the Texans get out of that.
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He caused all this BS and we all agree he's in camp to avoid fines. If the Texans know he will never play another game for them and he said he doesn't want to, then shut him down until they can move him. As an organization, the Texans shouldn't feed into the fiasco. It's not just about snaps. I guarantee the players are constantly getting briefed on what not to say, the media is going to continue to press for info and the fans are going to continually wonder what's going on. He is not going to be embarrased that they have him doing trivial stuff out on the field, keep him out of the spot light and inside the building watching film or something. He don't need a practice jersey, helmet, pads nor cleats...
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
He caused all this BS and we all agree he's in camp to avoid fines. If the Texans know he will never play another game for them and he said he doesn't want to, then shut him down until they can move him. As an organization, the Texans shouldn't feed into the fiasco. It's not just about snaps. I guarantee the players are constantly getting briefed on what not to say, the media is going to continue to press for info and the fans are going to continually wonder what's going on. He is not going to be embarrased that they have him doing trivial stuff out on the field, keep him out of the spot light and inside the building watching film or something. He don't need a practice jersey, helmet, pads nor cleats...
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So I'm confused on why you want the Texans to hide him.

Do you want to protect him from getting hurt?

Do you want to save the rest of the team from distraction?
 
Speedy said:
Whose time is he wasting? He's not taking reps away from anybody. He's out there because he's under contract and on the roster. What can the Texans really do? And putting him on the CEL hurts the Texans.

I don't know how this plays out if he still shows up Sept. 12th. I think Watson is going to get his money one way or another, by either showing up, being an inactive and still getting game checks, or going on the CEL. Either way he gets paid. I don't know how the Texans get out of that.
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Best case scenario for the team is for Watson to do anything that would fit the description of "Conduct Detrimental" at which time they can suspend him internally and potentially keep him on the final year of the rookie contract by not accruing a season .... If they can manage to suspend him twice (or Goodell steps in and suspends him).

Just have to wait for Watson to make a critical error ....
 
Corrosion said:
Best case scenario for the team is for Watson to do anything that would fit the description of "Conduct Detrimental" at which time they can suspend him internally and potentially keep him on the final year of the rookie contract by not accruing a season .... If they can manage to suspend him twice (or Goodell steps in and suspends him).

Just have to wait for Watson to make a critical error ....
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What kind of critical error would that be? They ask him to play in a PS game and he refuses? Can they do something then?
 
Corrosion said:
Best case scenario for the team is for Watson to do anything that would fit the description of "Conduct Detrimental" at which time they can suspend him internally and potentially keep him on the final year of the rookie contract by not accruing a season .... If they can manage to suspend him twice (or Goodell steps in and suspends him).

Just have to wait for Watson to make a critical error ....
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Or, force him to play, he goes out there & balls out and that in turn heats his trade market up & maybe forces the hand of some desperate team to trade for him despite his legal issues…which based on how it’s looking now, don’t purport to be wrapped up until next draft.

he may not want to play for the Texans ever again, but there’s a real scenario in which DW4 could be forced into action if he isn’t placed on the CEL. And if he refuses to play, that doesn’t purport to be a good look for him with other teams that may want to trade for him.

I don’t think it’s likely, but let’s not act like he WOULDN’T play if he was asked to…if he refuses or goes out there and dogs it, not only does it kill his trade market, he doesn’t get paid either.
 
As unfair as it might seem to some of us, Watson may get everything he wants (or close to it) out of this situation and the Texans end up getting the short end of the stick. The Texans may end up paying him for the 2021 season until he is traded next year to a team of his choosing for less compensation than what it cost to draft him in the first place.
 
Speedy said:
What kind of critical error would that be? They ask him to play in a PS game and he refuses? Can they do something then?
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I think if they tried to make him play he'd say he was injured .... my back hurts , hamstring's tight , groin is sore.

The team would have no real way to refute that and he'd win out , if they tried to suspend him for that , I believe the NFL-PA would get involved on his behalf and probably get any suspension overturned.


It'll take something else , really a lot of things could fit the bill .... cussing out a player / the coach / owner / GM , badmouthing the team / player / coach / owner / the league .... maybe an altercation with another player ? Missing meetings ....
 
The man doesn’t want to be here. He’s made that very very clear. Attempting to make him play would’ve started already. But both parties probably has a mutual understanding that he will not play another down here in Houston. Therefore, they’re not about to make him play. We can wash that notion down the drain.
 
Mr teX said:
Ramsey didn’t have the legal issues hanging over him tho.
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Irrelevant. Legal issues isn’t going to make Watson a worse QB.

I suggested Watson be put on IR, to at least recoup the roster spot. That idea was shot down as it would put the Texans even worse spot.
 
thunderkyss said:
Irrelevant. Legal issues isn’t going to make Watson a worse QB.

I suggested Watson be put on IR, to at least recoup the roster spot. That idea was shot down as it would put the Texans even worse spot.
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we can disagree. Ramsey put up a stink b/c he wanted out…he had no other restrictions for teams to consider when they went after him. DW does & it would be in his best interest to not create anymore reasons for teams to potentially sour on him.
 
Mr teX said:
DW does & it would be in his best interest to not create anymore reasons for teams to potentially sour on him.
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Nice thought. But we don’t know what his mindset is right now. They do. & they decided to do what they are doing.

Guessing, based on what they have him doing & not doing, seems like they’re trying to force him to give them a reason.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
I agree, they should be putting him in there. Just because he may be out there to avoid the fines, he's still out there so put him in. I do wonder what the other guys out there feel about his status.
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They want to win. They know who gives the team the best chance to win.
 
leebigeztx said:
They want to win. They know who gives the team the best chance to win.
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May be part of the plan. Get him out there with the guys. Get him to want to be with them on the field. Get him to want to play with them, to lead them.
 
steelbtexan said:
Some things are more important than football.

There's a difference between a guy who loses his temper and does something he wishes he wouldn't have done and the things this POS has been accused of by 30 some odd women.
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Why are the Texans entertaining any of it? Why not just get him off the roster or reconcile. The team isn't going to get full value with this situation. Its not going to happen. They didn't have a plan as usual. They were, like most on this board was waiting on the CEL and it hasn't happened. So the backup plan was what? Nothing.
 
steelbtexan said:
Some things are more important than football.

There's a difference between a guy who loses his temper and does something he wishes he wouldn't have done and the things this POS has been accused of by 30 some odd women.
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So why not just cut him or trade him asap? If the team wants to move on, just move on.
 
leebigeztx said:
So why not just cut him or trade him asap? If the team wants to move on, just move on.
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I agree with you and this is what I would do. Cut my losses from the bad decisions I made.

They're hoping to get something in trade for him.
 
leebigeztx said:
So why not just cut him or trade him asap? If the team wants to move on, just move on.
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What is it hurting you that he's on the roster and in camp? The fact that the Texans appear to be doing their due diligence on this is actually a little refreshing. Watson is an asset they feel can net them other assets that can help pull them out of the abyss they're in a lot quicker. No reason to rush the dude out of here and take less than what they feel they might be able to get at some point.
 
Speedy said:
The fact that the Texans appear to be doing their due diligence on this is actually a little refreshing.
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Due diligence is right. Exactly what it is. While we can make decisions based on what we think is true, the Texans have to work within the framework of the NFL & current CBA.

If they do anything, they have to back it up with fact & right now there isn't much.
 
thunderkyss said:
The “reports” about calling DW4’s mom was before the Hopkins trade. Allegedly someone called 4’s mom saying Hopkins was a bad influence on her boy. She called Janice, Janice set the axe in motion.

Eaterby enters the picture. Creepy, Voldemort looking guy. Asking questions, trying to connect with players. Those players think he’s behind the Hopkins trade & the legend of Easterby grows.

Watt got O’Brien fired. Watson thinks he’s got it like that tells Cal he needs to fire Easterby. “Why?” Cal asks. Watson lays every dead body at Easterby’s feet, culminating in Hopkins.

Cal says, “Jack had nothing to do with that, your mom said he had to go.”

Watson wanted nothing to do with an organization that makes decisions based on mamabear not knowing when to let go.


all this is speculation. Not one thing is based on verifiable facts.
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Interesting speculation, but your timeline is a little off.

April 2018 - Texans requested to interview Nick Caserio for their general manager position in January. Bill Belichick denied the request.

November 2018 - Bob McNair passed away.

April 2019 - Jack Easterby hired as "Executive vice president of team development", despite having no professional experience.

June 2019 - Texans/Easterby caught tampering in an attempt to hire Nick Caserio while still under contract with the Patriots

January 2020 - Jack Easterby promoted to "Executive vice president of football operations", despite having no professional experience.

March 2020 - DeAndre Hopkins traded.

September 2020 - Deshaun Watson given massive contract extension worth over $160 million (with $111 million guaranteed)

January 2021 - Rumors of Watson demanding to be traded

March 2021 - Watson being sued for sexual assault

Based on the above timeline, I tend to think that Easterby was ultimately hired to facilitate the hiring of Caserio. He was Bob's choice for GM before he passed away, so Cal (without the benefit of having any networking or goodwill with other owners) thought that Easterby would be the best way to Caserio.

How any of this plays into the Watson situation is anyone's guess. Deshaun was okay with Easterby when he was signing that massive contract. But four months later, something drastic must have happened to make Watson decide that he never wanted to be a Houston Texan again.

And how those phone calls about Nuk between Watson's mama and Janice McNair impacted this stuff is curious, simply because it tends to shed light that that owners knew a lot more than they've ever admitted up to this point.
 
thunderkyss said:
Due diligence is right. Exactly what it is. While we can make decisions based on what we think is true, the Texans have to work within the framework of the NFL & current CBA.

If they do anything, they have to back it up with fact & right now there isn't much.
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I'm just saying that if they get rid of him just to wash their hands of it, they stand no chance of getting anything close to what they hope to get. At least they appear to be rolling the dice and taking a chance that they eventually will get those offers at a later date.
 
thunderkyss said:
Nice thought. But we don’t know what his mindset is right now. They do. & they decided to do what they are doing.

Guessing, based on what they have him doing & not doing, seems like they’re trying to force him to give them a reason.
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I heard somewhere that fans at practice were cheering for Watson to get some reps. Team probably didn’t want the distraction around any more is my guess..
 
thunderkyss said:
Due diligence is right. Exactly what it is. While we can make decisions based on what we think is true, the Texans have to work within the framework of the NFL & current CBA.

If they do anything, they have to back it up with fact & right now there isn't much.
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They can straight up cut him if they want too.
 
Speedy said:
What is it hurting you that he's on the roster and in camp? The fact that the Texans appear to be doing their due diligence on this is actually a little refreshing. Watson is an asset they feel can net them other assets that can help pull them out of the abyss they're in a lot quicker. No reason to rush the dude out of here and take less than what they feel they might be able to get at some point.
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My whole thing is typical of this team, they didn't have a plan. They were banking on the cel. Right now, regardless of which side anyone is on, its uncomfortable and not fair to the players or the new coaching staff. Anytime a player wants out, regardless, you're never going to get good value. What makes Watson situation worse is the no trade clause . No matter where we think he should go, he's not going to agree to go to a team that doesn't have a decent team, good management. Once you've been part of poor management, you're not going to return to that kind of situation. The team he gets traded to is probably going to win enough games to be a playoff contender. So that pick is going to be mid to late 1st rd. So the Texans will be just good enough with Taylor to win 5 games. The team you trade Watson to will be good enough to win 10 or 11 games. So those #1 draft picks come in around 7 ish and the other in the 20s. Its a lose lose situation.
 
leebigeztx said:
My whole thing is typical of this team, they didn't have a plan. They were banking on the cel.
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I think they had a heads up the CEL wasn’t coming. And frankly, they probably didn’t want it too, as it would mean he gets paid no matter what. At least now they still have the opportunity to get out of paying should he get indicted or something.

leebigeztx said:
Anytime a player wants out, regardless, you're never going to get good value. What makes Watson situation worse is the no trade clause . No matter where we think he should go, he's not going to agree to go to a team that doesn't have a decent team, good management.
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Getting good value? Probably not. But getting better value than you would from just dumping him now, absolutely.

And if he doesn’t waive his no trade, then he can let his career rot away right here.
 
leebigeztx said:
Why are the Texans entertaining any of it? Why not just get him off the roster or reconcile. The team isn't going to get full value with this situation. Its not going to happen. They didn't have a plan as usual. They were, like most on this board was waiting on the CEL and it hasn't happened. So the backup plan was what? Nothing.
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Goodell did the Texans a favor by not putting him on the CEL forcing him to show up.

Backup plan ?


They can't trade him. No team is going to give you remotely close to fair value , hell you probably don't get 1/3rd value right now.


You cut him you pay him the $111m in guaranteed money in the extension .... which hits your cap .... immediately.

He won't reconcile.


What are your options ?


Hurry up and wait.
 
Speedy said:
What is it hurting you that he's on the roster and in camp? The fact that the Texans appear to be doing their due diligence on this is actually a little refreshing. Watson is an asset they feel can net them other assets that can help pull them out of the abyss they're in a lot quicker. No reason to rush the dude out of here and take less than what they feel they might be able to get at some point.
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Tend to agree.
Why rush things?
Let it all play out - it could be just a waiting game Watson and co are playing.
 
Corrosion said:
Goodell did the Texans a favor by not putting him on the CEL forcing him to show up.

Backup plan ?


They can't trade him. No team is going to give you remotely close to fair value , hell you probably don't get 1/3rd value right now.


You cut him you pay him the $111m in guaranteed money in the extension .... which hits your cap .... immediately.

He won't reconcile.


What are your options ?


Hurry up and wait.
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Goodell did the Texans a favor by not putting Watson on the CEL….mostly due to knowing no team would step forward to try and make a trade. Essentially, Goodell is telling the Texans, this is your mess and no one’s bailing you out of it. This makes the Texans responsible for all the money due Watson for 2021…..whether he’s on the field playing or standing on the sideline in street clothes.

The Texans cutting Watson just woudn’t be an option simply b/c of the money involved. I didn’t think there’d be any way for the McNair’s to duplicate the stupidity of the Osweiler situation but I’m just blown away that it appears they could make that situation look like chump change in this latest screwup. I believe Goodell knows the team was fully aware of the Watson situation but made no effort to clean it up before it went public.

Are the Texans in a position to move Watson to “Suspended Without Pay b/c of Conduct Detrimental To The Team” at this time? Or, does Goodell step in and put Watson on CEL to leave the Texans in a position where the Texans will continue paying Watson until this situation is finalized.

In all honesty…..the NFL should use the Osweiler, OB, and Watson fiasco’s as enough reason to force the McNair’s to sale the Texans. They’re simply far too inept to be NFL owners.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
Goodell did the Texans a favor by not putting Watson on the CEL….mostly due to knowing no team would step forward to try and make a trade. Essentially, Goodell is telling the Texans, this is your mess and no one’s bailing you out of it. This makes the Texans responsible for all the money due Watson for 2021…..whether he’s on the field playing or standing on the sideline in street clothes.

The Texans cutting Watson just woudn’t be an option simply b/c of the money involved. I didn’t think there’d be any way for the McNair’s to duplicate the stupidity of the Osweiler situation but I’m just blown away that it appears they could make that situation look like chump change in this latest screwup. I believe Goodell knows the team was fully aware of the Watson situation but made no effort to clean it up before it went public.

Are the Texans in a position to move Watson to “Suspended Without Pay b/c of Conduct Detrimental To The Team” at this time? Or, does Goodell step in and put Watson on CEL to leave the Texans in a position where the Texans will continue paying Watson until this situation is finalized.

In all honesty…..the NFL should use the Osweiler, OB, and Watson fiasco’s as enough reason to force the McNair’s to sale the Texans. They’re simply far too inept to be NFL owners.
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Caserio might be able to bring some stability to this organization.
 
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