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[Pick 67] Davis Mills QB Stanford

Texansballer74 said:
Thunder thinks the young man is not ready for the NFL. Mainly because he’s only played 11 game in his collegiate career. Injuries and then Covid played a major factor in that. He probably would’ve played all of last season but Cali’ was tripping.

I understand his concerns but I believe my boy T should at least give the young man a shot.
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I'm not sure what "giving him a shot" looks like from the viewpoint of a fan. If it means not coming here and criticizing every mistake the kid makes as a rookie, I can get behind that. If it means not questioning the Texans drafting him over another player that had more experience playing a position of a more pressing need ("need" being subjective and up for debate), you've lost me.
 
Jack Burton said:
I remember Earl but I don’t really remember Snake. I wasn’t in HOU at the time so it was far from us as a family.
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Yeah if you weren’t in Houston at the time it’s totally understandable, but you’d totally have known it if you were here and liked football even a little!
 
Dejaview said:
Unfortunately at your age you see your QB getting anal massages. But we got to see Dan Pastorini judging wet T-Shirt contests on Lake Conroe when he wasn’t playing with a punctured lung.
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Or running over people with a speed boat.
 
mws said:
Don't forget big Dan flipping his boat into a crowd and killing 2 people.

Here's an excerpt from the story:

LIBERTY, Tex., May 26 (AP) - A Liberty County grand jury ruled today that there was no criminal responsibility involved in an accident in which a jet-powered boat driven by Dan Pastorini. Houston Oiler quarterback, crashed into a crowd in Liberty County last Sunday. Two persons died as a result of the mishap.

Pastorini's boat went out of control as it crossed the finish line of a drag race on Lake Mizzel. The boat struck the shoreline at a speed estimated at 100 miles an hour, hurtled 101 feet through the air and stopped after having crashed into three parked vehicles.

Sherry Gasllins, 10 years-old, of Houston, was killed at the scene. Herman Dale Johnson, 33, of Houston, died yesterday at a Houston hospital. Pastorini was not injured.
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Beat me to it. Dan really gave that type of boat racing a black eye.
 
vtech9 said:
It's not about being scared. I think TK just wants Mills to have the best chance to succeed. I agree with him on this. I've always been against throwing a rookie QB out there unless it is in garbage time, and there is little chance of him getting hurt.

Most here might disagree with me on this, but it is my belief that David Carr would have led us to a long history of success if he would have had the opportunity to sit for a year or two while the team was built up around him. Since he was thrown out there right away, with a subpar O-line, he never really had a chance to develop because he was shell-shocked from being hit so much. The Texans ruined any chance of David Carr being a star, or even a quality starter.
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David Carr never had the drive or focus to be a franchise QB. So with that said, in his case, would have benefited from a stand and sit with a clipboard. He’s actually pretty good on NFL Network, looking all pretty and talking smart :elvis:
 
banned1976 said:
I'm not sure what "giving him a shot" looks like from the viewpoint of a fan. If it means not coming here and criticizing every mistake the kid makes as a rookie, I can get behind that. If it means not questioning the Texans drafting him over another player that had more experience playing a position of a more pressing need ("need" being subjective and up for debate), you've lost me.
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What’s more pressing than starting QB?
 
Texansballer74 said:
I understand his concerns but I believe my boy T should at least give the young man a shot.
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He's a Texans now, of course I'm going to give him a shot. My expectations are different from some, but that's OK.

I didn't expect them to draft a QB. Can't change that. I didn't think it was prudent for the situation our team is in. Still don't.

Unless the kid is special, which he might be & Pep's connection may have given the Texans some insight other teams didn't have.

That remains to be seen. We'll see what role they have him play in the preseason. Then we'll have a better idea.
 
banned1976 said:
I'm not sure what "giving him a shot" looks like from the viewpoint of a fan. If it means not coming here and criticizing every mistake the kid makes as a rookie, I can get behind that. If it means not questioning the Texans drafting him over another player that had more experience playing a position of a more pressing need ("need" being subjective and up for debate), you've lost me.
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They wanted a quarterback and would’ve had one in the first round if Watson would’ve done the crap that he did. We would’ve had several first picks and a couple of seconds for that matter. So the Texans selected a guy who they saw enough potential in him to draft him at third. I also believe they would’ve drafted Kellen Mond if they weren’t leaped frog.

Another thing I said I understand why Thunder doesn’t like this pick. So what are you talking about I lost you. You’re making it seems as if I doesn’t value Thunders opinion or something.

My whole premises is give the young man a shot. He just might be a sleeper pick.
 
Texansballer74 said:
They wanted a quarterback and would’ve had one in the first round if Watson would’ve done the crap that he did. We would’ve had several first picks and a couple of seconds for that matter. So the Texans selected a guy who they saw enough potential in him to draft him at third. I also believe they would’ve drafted Kellen Mond if they weren’t leaped frog.

Another thing I said I understand why Thunder doesn’t like this pick. So what are you talking about I lost you. You’re making it seems as if I doesn’t value Thunders opinion or something.

My whole premises is give the young man a shot. He just might be a sleeper pick.
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Liking or not liking the pick vs. liking or not liking the player, are 2 different things. I could go either way on picking a QB there. I personally wouldn't have done it in that situation, given that there's so very little to go on. That was my biggest problem with the pick. It just so happens that in this instance, that's also my biggest issue with the player. I don't know if he'll be another in a long line of 3rd round nobodies that never do anything in this league, or if he turns out to be a player. What I do know is that he had very little experience playing the game in college, now he has to try and make it in the hardest football league in the world without that experience. Not saying he can't, but those are my concerns. Hell, high 1st rounders with a ton of college experience don't make it in this league.
 
beerlover said:
First win was against Cincinnati. 16-13.
Lost next four straight until Jacksonville, another juggernaut was overwhelmed, then 3 straight loses until the 0-10 Jets. That is in disarray. In all facets of the game other than QB who was a rookie thrown into the fire. Just as Mills will be. Coach fired end of season. GM job on the line, but he pulled it together with the brilliant hiring of Brandon Staley. End of disarray. Hell they’re even talking playoffs.
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Win
Lost by 3 in OT, 5, 7, 3 in OT.
Win
Lost by 1, 5, 8
Win

If their special team had stepped up instead of F up, they had a good chance at a winning season.

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Chargers fire Lynn after four seasons as coach

The Chargers fired coach Anthony Lynn after he went 7-9 this season, including a four-game winning streak to end the season. He was 33-31 in four seasons as coach.
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The painting of a disarrayed team is just your imagination, I'm afraid.
The fans were just disappointed with all the close losses two years in a row after two seasons of 9-7 and 12-4.
 
mws said:
Don't forget big Dan flipping his boat into a crowd and killing 2 people.

Here's an excerpt from the story:

LIBERTY, Tex., May 26 (AP) - A Liberty County grand jury ruled today that there was no criminal responsibility involved in an accident in which a jet-powered boat driven by Dan Pastorini. Houston Oiler quarterback, crashed into a crowd in Liberty County last Sunday. Two persons died as a result of the mishap.

Pastorini's boat went out of control as it crossed the finish line of a drag race on Lake Mizzel. The boat struck the shoreline at a speed estimated at 100 miles an hour, hurtled 101 feet through the air and stopped after having crashed into three parked vehicles.

Sherry Gasllins, 10 years-old, of Houston, was killed at the scene. Herman Dale Johnson, 33, of Houston, died yesterday at a Houston hospital. Pastorini was not injured.
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You ever been to one of those races. Like golf, people crowd in to watch. Who would be dumb enough to put their 10 year old…or themselves in that situation.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm asking for your analysis, did he have trouble throwing outside the numbers? Throwing inside the hashes, getting balls tipped at the LOS? While you're at it? Did he improve on this in games 10-15? I have my options on why his ints were inflated and wanted yours?
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I counter 6 or 7 balls bouncing off his receivers and 5 because he and his receivers were not on the same page (mostly Marvin Harrison).
Those alone would have brought the numbers right in line with at least the average QB of that time.
Then consider that he led the league in pass attempts, his defense was 29th both in points allowed and yards allowed; his Oline consisted of a rookie, a 1-yr player that was younger than the rookie, a 2-yr man, a former 9-th Rd pick journeyman two years removed from his last game in the NFL, and a guy playing the last year of his career.

I said he played very well under the circumstances.

Also, I saw at least 6 balls that his receivers lost in the battle for position.

Then you have cases where they were behind and Manning tried a bit too hard to make a play.
 
76Texan said:
Win
Lost by 3 in OT, 5, 7, 3 in OT.
Win
Lost by 1, 5, 8
Win

If their special team had stepped up instead of F up, they had a good chance at a winning season.

www.espn.com

Chargers fire Lynn after four seasons as coach

The Chargers fired coach Anthony Lynn after he went 7-9 this season, including a four-game winning streak to end the season. He was 33-31 in four seasons as coach.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

The painting of a disarrayed team is just your imagination, I'm afraid.
The fans were just disappointed with all the close losses two years in a row after two seasons of 9-7 and 12-4.
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special teams was atrocious your right about that. Almost every player drafted will add to upgrade special teams just how important that is. The kicker missed a lot of clutch field goals too that could have won couple more games.

my reasoning is my own as is yours. The players are more vocal about it this mini camp and as a whole 100% United and loving the new system Staley is teaching. Lynn was just an average offensive coordinator (Lions now) not head coaching material. We’ve seen similar from O’Brian here, a system that struggles to play to strength and elevates players to their ceiling. Dumb play calling, unbelievable time outs and clock management.
 
beerlover said:
special teams was atrocious your right about that. Almost every player drafted will add to upgrade special teams just how important that is. The kicker missed a lot of clutch field goals too that could have won couple more games.

my reasoning is my own as is yours. The players are more vocal about it this mini camp and as a whole 100% United and loving the new system Staley is teaching. Lynn was just an average offensive coordinator (Lions now) not head coaching material. We’ve seen similar from O’Brian here, a system that struggles to play to strength and elevates players to their ceiling. Dumb play calling, unbelievable time outs and clock management.
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Also, a team that ranks in the top 10 in both offensive yards gained and defensive yards allowed is not a team in disarray.
Tell me, have the Texans ever achieved that?
 
So Mills will turn out to be crap, and all our future picks will be crap, the Texans will stay crap. There is no hope. So yall can quit all your horseshit arguing now. Someday the illegitimate son of an out of state masseuse will be taken with the 1st pick in an expansion draft of Houston's new NFL team, the Texans will have long since left for St. Louis.
 
Lucky said:
In 2012, the Texans finished 7th in yards gained, 7th in yards allowed.
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I knew that.
Just want to see if BL (and some other people) look it up to see how difficult it's been for the Texans franchise.
Their best year is what a tumult for another franchise looks like; one that gets the HC fired.
 
76Texan said:
I knew that.
Just want to see if BL (and some other people) look it up to see how difficult it's been for the Texans franchise.
Their best year is what a tumult for another franchise looks like; one that gets the HC fired.
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You never did get back to me on those questions I asked you about Manning's rookie yr. I guess his play really wasn't important enough to look it up and you would rather speak in generalities so it will be easier to move the goalposts later.
 
steelbtexan said:
You never did get back to me on those questions I asked you about Manning's rookie yr. I guess his play really wasn't important enough to look it up and you would rather speak in generalities so it will be easier to move the goalposts later.
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I did.
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76Texan said:
I counter 6 or 7 balls bouncing off his receivers and 5 because he and his receivers were not on the same page (mostly Marvin Harrison).
Those alone would have brought the numbers right in line with at least the average QB of that time.
Then consider that he led the league in pass attempts, his defense was 29th both in points allowed and yards allowed; his Oline consisted of a rookie, a 1-yr player that was younger than the rookie, a 2-yr man, a former 9-th Rd pick journeyman two years removed from his last game in the NFL, and a guy playing the last year of his career.

I said he played very well under the circumstances.

Also, I saw at least 6 balls that his receivers lost in the battle for position.

Then you have cases where they were behind and Manning tried a bit too hard to make a play.
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@steelbtexan
 
Lucky said:
Can’t we all agree that the Peyton Manning bar is unreasonable for Davis Mills? Let’s at least let the guy get a few preseason games in.
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A man who gets my point.

Although I would like to see his analysis between Manning at the beginning of the season vs the end of the season.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Agreed. I only used Manning as an Example because even he struggled some in his rookie year.


Next time I’ll use Jameis Winston as an example. That way people aren’t jumping off the deep end lol.
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How about the David Carr comparison? Both are playing on teams with expansion level talent.
 
steelbtexan said:
I can watch vids.

I was looking for your analysis of those vids and compare them to how Manning looked in games 10-15. Looking forward to your analysis.
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I didn't bring up Manning.
I was only responding to baller74.

I watched Manning's first game against Marino and he looks like an NFL starter already, as much as a guy that started some 40 games at a tier 1 college could.
The improvement is gradual, just like most guys do when they see more coverage disguises and blitzing schemes.
Why would I spend all the time to write down all the analysis?
You can do that much better all by yourself 😉
 
Texansballer74 said:
Agreed. I only used Manning as an Example because even he struggled some in his rookie year.


Next time I’ll use Jameis Winston as an example. That way people aren’t jumping off the deep end lol.
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That's why I vehemently disagree.
Peyton Manning did not struggle in his rookie year.
You only use the number of Ints to make your case, and that's a bad idea.

Not all Ints are the same.
If you're going to look at things, use "Turnover-worthy" throws or at least some type of adjusted interception stats that take into account as many different variables as possible.
 
76Texan said:
That's why I vehemently disagree.
Peyton Manning did not struggle in his rookie year.
You only use the number of Ints to make your case, and that's a bad idea.

Not all Ints are the same.
If you're going to look at things, use "Turnover-worthy" throws or at least some type of adjusted interception stats that take into account as many different variables as possible.
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This is where we disagree. I watched all of those games. But hey let’s keep it moving.


This is about Davis Mills
 
Texansballer74 said:
This is where we disagree. I watched all of those games. But hey let’s keep it moving.


This is about Davis Mills
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Yes, but several media sources (USA Today, ESPN, etc.) ranked Manning's rookie season among the best for rookie QBs up to that point - and several years later.

That doesn't rhyme with a struggling rookie QB.
 
76Texan said:
Also, a team that ranks in the top 10 in both offensive yards gained and defensive yards allowed is not a team in disarray.
Tell me, have the Texans ever achieved that?
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OK you earned this now, only stats you’ll get are Staley videos-
 
Lucky said:
That's the intention. Taylor is expected to be the starter. But, that was the intention when Baker Mayfield was drafted. That was the intention when Justin Herbert was drafted. Taylor could slip a giblet in preseason. Stuff happens.
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Most definitely. If he wins the job, more power to him. That should show us he’s ready for the big leagues
 
76Texan said:
Yes, but several media sources (USA Today, ESPN, etc.) ranked Manning's rookie season among the best for rookie QBs up to that point - and several years later.

That doesn't rhyme with a struggling rookie QB.
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At the end of the day……Mills hasn’t even played his rookie season yet. So what in the world is everyone trying to compare. When Mills finally gets a season in the books we’ll all have something to base a comparison on. I look forward to watching when his opportunity finally arrives.
 
banned1976 said:
It may not be necessary for Mills to play especially well, it would just be helpful to know before the 2022 draft how high the Texans need to pick a quarterback.
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This is fan talk. The Texans should know.


Just like a team can decide to go with Russell Wilson over the well paid Flynn before a regular season game is played.

Fans & media want to see these guys so they can "decide" what the team should do.
 
thunderkyss said:
This is fan talk. The Texans should know.


Just like a team can decide to go with Russell Wilson over the well paid Flynn before a regular season game is played.

Fans & media want to see these guys so they can "decide" what the team should do.
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Fans and media do want to see what's what. I think the team does to. If Taylor yields only 4-5 wins in a losing season shouldn't they also see what kinda potential mills has?

I think the coaching staff will be pressured to give mills a shot especially if we have something like a 1-5 start.

Our ummm, bet, feels like a shoe in @thunderkyss assuming there are no injuries. I'm not budgeting for a loss on his active GameDay status.

I hope you are, sir.
 
At some point in time this season we all know Mills will show up in a game, possibly a lot of them. Who knows, he might even start ahead of Taylor, but I wouldn't count on that. I would count on seeing a lot of Mills this season whether he's any good or not, Taylor won't last a 17 game schedule.
 
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