Jack Burton
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[Pick 67] Davis Mills QB Stanford
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Jack Burton
Veteran
I think Marino went in week 6. He threw 5 INTS in one freaking college game though.
So you know, he was terrible.
Bad example. My bad.
I wasn't jumping anything; merely responding to Steelb's scenario.You may be jumping the gun. He will have to earn that #2 spot in TC. But if that scenario plays out and he puts any signs of life in the offense it may be the best opportunity he could possibly hope for. Texans are due some good news eventually. I mean if he’s up to the job, we trade DW and some of our rookies show up, with all the draft choices next year it will be interesting
If a veteran with all or almost all of the first team reps like Tyrod Taylor goes 0-6, what might be the realistic chance of a rookie with limited college experience and little to no time with the first team to show "some kind of life".
And how do you define it?
I'd make this the forum's mission statement if I could. Plaster that statement like a motto across the top! lolThis is a fan site. Fans say all kinds of horseshit.
Yes, me too.
lol Welcome to ******talk.com! Let's talk about the Houston ******. . .errr, Houston Football Team.
You must be a younger Gen X. I'm an Xer, but remember Luv Ya Blue. I was 11-12 and that was when I was too dumb to know better and idolized players. At least the Oilers had some guys that were worth rooting for back then.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Tyrod didn’t even make first game last season for the Chargers. Enter rookie Herbert. No first team snaps, thrown into line-up 5 minutes before kick-off and went toe to toe with Mahomes. Yeah it ruined Herbert, somehow he started every single game since breaking almost every rookie QB record in the process. Totally ruined.
You're talking about 3 & 4 year starters. Mills has only started 11 games at the college level.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Doesn't matter, they started right off the bat.
Manning didn't do well as a rookie.
Which is why I said at the time the Perverts stats were inflated and he wasn't a top 5 QB. That's the main reason they should've his Perverted azz should've been traded before all of his demons became public. You cant sell me on Cal not knowing his QB was a Pervert.
If Mills can throw for 3700 yards and 26 TDs (as Peyton did), I'll live with the turnovers and losses.
Texansballer74
The Marine
If it doesn’t matter, Mills should have been a 1st round pick in 2021.
Those college starts matter.
Should be doable. We’ll most likely be playing from behind which is evidently the secret.
You didn't read the qualifications.
1. The Chargers were not 0-6 when Herbert came in.
2. Herbert had 43 college starts as opposed to 11 for Mills.
He was already slated as a high first round pick a year before he actually came out.
3. Herbert and Taylor were competing for the starter spot in TC per their HC, both receiving reps with the first team.
In this scenario that we've been talking about, Mills won't get hardly any first team reps.
You're just looking at the stats.
Do you even know the circumstances of each of the Ints?
I can tell you about his first start; it was against the Dolphins where he threw 3 Ints.
The first one was because he and the receiver were not on the same page. Manning threw an in route while his receiver was running something else.
The second one was right on target, but the ball just bounced off the hands of the RB up in the air and got picked off.
The third one was on him; he was trying to make a come back and threw the ball short of the intended target.
Dejaview
All Pro
Steel, do you think DW is a pervert?
Edit: good thing he wasn’t doing this stuff with one legged circus midgets
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TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
It is not like we are expected do much in the way of wins so if DM's comes in and stinks up the place, he was not expected to do much this season anyway. I think we can determine if there is promise in his performances or it looks like he will never do much in the NFL. It is not like he is expected to save our season. I doubt he was drafted with that in mind anyway.
I think it is expected that Tyrod Taylor is going to do well for us, and outside of a serious injury, he will start the whole season as the #1 Qb. It is not like Tyrod Taylor has sucked wherever he has played he just ran into some misfortune. Especially while with the Chargers and the dumb Dr. who punctured his lung. I like Davis Mills just fine, but based on the class act that Tyrod Taylor has been throughout his career, I hope he starts the season as our starter and finishes this season that way.
Texansballer74
The Marine
What man don’t come at me with that crap. I’ve been watching this game for a long time. The man threw 28 interceptions his rookie year and that’s the bottom line.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I don't care what Pep Hamilton thinks, if Davis Mills plays in the NFL like he did in college, he will have twice as many turnovers than TDs.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
1.Chargers were in disarray, coach got fired, offensive line terrible they were looking @ a top 5 pick until they won last four straight. Not like they started out 0-6 but within parameters. Herbert learned under fire.
2. Mills was the #1 High School Recruit in 2017 https://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings/?PositionGroup=QB
Herbert was way down the list, in fact don’t see him here? Anyway he needed the reps, obviously to develop. Mills came in with all the tools and traits your looking for, he just got injured, then COVID, in Cali, enough said so he came out early.
3.Herbert was in same situation as Mills. You can say competition but it wasn’t he was suppose to understudy. He never had 1st team reps in preparation for opener and that’s a fact.
They also share the same QB coach, Pep Hamilton, love this guy and very familiar with David Shaw (who I wish had been selected for the Texans HC). David Shaw being Mills HC @ Stanford.
Just asking because I've got to be misunderstanding.
Are you, beerlover & TB74, are y'all saying it's possible that a guy can be so freaking talented that he can go straight from high school to the NFL & be ready to start within his first season?
& while we don't believe Davis Mills is that guy, he's damn close?
Are you, beerlover & TB74, are y'all saying it's possible that a guy can be so freaking talented that he can go straight from high school to the NFL & be ready to start within his first season?
& while we don't believe Davis Mills is that guy, he's damn close?
Steel, do you think DW is a pervert?
If he could've found them on instagram to give him a massage/Oily Watson with those lil bitty fingers and toes I'm sure he would've been all over that.
What did he do in starts 3 thru 6?
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
He's on the team so there is no going back to gain experience. If he sits in 2021, what is he going to learn especially if the team sucks. It's not like Tyrod is some great QB to mentor anyone. Davis Mills needs to be playing no later than week 10.
There's a lot he can learn on the practice squad & in the film room.
If he's ready to be the backup by week 10, playing clean up in blow outs, that would be great.
But to say he should be ready to start... I think that's unrealistic.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I know good and well you read all of my takes on this particular subject. And I clearly stated he should sit and learn this year.
We don’t know if he’s close or not thus the reason why I’ve said on numerous occasions that we should wait and see.
From what I’ve gathered the young man has the talent and potential. He’s also very inconsistent. But with good coaching ( ex. Manning with his 28 interceptions) can overcome those shortcomings.
Why is that so hard to believe?
No, he wasn't the unanimous no. 1 HS recruit.
I saw the lowest ranking at no. 9 when they count all types of QBs, including dual threat QBs.
His composite rank was at no. 7 and a 4-star recruit, not 5-star.
Breaking Down the 2017 QB Class After 4-Star Davis Mills Commits to Stanford
The Stanford Cardinal football team reached across the country Tuesday to claim a verbal pledge from coveted Georgia quarterback Davis Mills . The 4-star recruit, rated No...
bleacherreport.com
At any rate, HS class rank doesn't indicate success in the pros.
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The Chargers were in no disarray.
They were 5-11 in 2019 with 9 games being one-score losses.
And that was without Okung at OT and Mike Pounces at C.
They started 2020 with a win, so they were 6-16 when Herbert came in.
That's a far cry from 0-6 no matter how you try to spin it.
I'm asking for your analysis, did he have trouble throwing outside the numbers? Throwing inside the hashes, getting balls tipped at the LOS? While you're at it? Did he improve on this in games 10-15? I have my options on why his ints were inflated and wanted yours?
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
If he was a luxury pick or the team was in a good place, I would agree but QB is a need. He can watch all the film he wants now and has access to coaches to review the film. Understanding the speed of the NFL game or a feel for the flow won't come in practice. When you say playing clean up in blow outs he is most likely not going to see anything more than a prevent defense. IMO, the only things that should hold him back from being out there week 10 is the team is winning (in contention), not understanding the playbook or injury.
I was thinking the same thing.
I’m gen x and everyone I knew was swept up in the oilers at that time!
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
So there’s no need for them to go to college? They should be able to go from high school straight to the NFL?
I’m saying that experience he didn’t get in college they need to find a way to get it to him. Playing on the scout team against our 1st team defense is a good way to do that. It’s also a good way to see if he can translate in the film room to the field.
If they’re serious about maximizing Mills potential they would do everything to keep him out of the starting role this season & prepare him to compete for it in 2022
Dejaview
All Pro
I agree with this post and I’m pretty sure the Texans see it the same way. But they are also stressing competition and that has yet to be played out. big question is if TT goes down do the Texans go to the street for a QB or go with Driskell or DM? If DM only then can we say he beat Driskell in TC. If they go to the street then that doesn’t look good.
I think Ossai is going to be above avg.
Dejaview
All Pro
Do you think however that you would ever have the potential to build a team around him? At least DM may have the potential to put the Texans in a better spot. That’s what we are taking a shot at here. But one potential has the bigger upside here. I’m going with the idea that if you have a QB and any other non QB prospect valued the same in their respective skill sets in the third round I’d go with the QB and get a one year contract for a similar player of the other type.
I totally agree with this post.
Particularly if you're in the position the Pervert put the Texans in.
Jack Burton
Veteran
I remember Earl but I don’t really remember Snake. I wasn’t in HOU at the time so it was far from us as a family.
My plan would be to go into the season with Taylor & Driskel. If anything should happen to either I would go to the street.
What that should look like is me preparing Mills for the starting job in 2022. Heck, I wouldn't have a problem if he's the backup in 2022.
My point of reference is Romo. Played at a small school, so his experience wasn't like 1st round draft picks. He was on the practice squad for 3 years & made the backup spot in his 4th year.
He had a pretty long, productive career.
Other guys have come from small schools & started a lot earlier than Romo & had more success, like Joe Flacco, & while he was competent, I never thought he was very good.
Carson Wentz... I don't think he had three years starting experience. The dude's a baller, but I don't think he truly understands the game. Way too talented & I think they started him too early.
But... my point. I'm not expecting Mills to even dress on game day. But I don't see him in practice. I don't talk to him in the meetings. He may very well be ready. But I don't see it with his lack of experience.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
First win was against Cincinnati. 16-13.
Lost next four straight until Jacksonville, another juggernaut was overwhelmed, then 3 straight loses until the 0-10 Jets. That is in disarray. In all facets of the game other than QB who was a rookie thrown into the fire. Just as Mills will be. Coach fired end of season. GM job on the line, but he pulled it together with the brilliant hiring of Brandon Staley. End of disarray. Hell they’re even talking playoffs.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Hate this plan. Sandbagging for high draft slots, which would be helpful. Mills has had plenty of recovery time from acl, don’t understand what everyone is so scared about, let it go.
vtech9
All Pro
It's not about being scared. I think TK just wants Mills to have the best chance to succeed. I agree with him on this. I've always been against throwing a rookie QB out there unless it is in garbage time, and there is little chance of him getting hurt.
Most here might disagree with me on this, but it is my belief that David Carr would have led us to a long history of success if he would have had the opportunity to sit for a year or two while the team was built up around him. Since he was thrown out there right away, with a subpar O-line, he never really had a chance to develop because he was shell-shocked from being hit so much. The Texans ruined any chance of David Carr being a star, or even a quality starter.
Dejaview
All Pro
Well, ok.but on my part this has never been about if he’s ready now or not. It’s always for me been about if he was a good round three pick. I believe he was a no brainer. There is no question that he’s on a learning curve. I’ve never implied he is going to start (I’ve even already said he hasn’t beat out Driskell for the #2 spot yet). TT will earn that top spot in TC and he should. Following a class act helps the learning process and DM has been following TT like a puppy. But part of DM’s lack of college playing time I believe is somewhat offset from reading defenses while playing under center in a pro style offense under a great HC. Some shotgun style QB’s can struggle indefinitely with this until they get sufficient NFL experience no matter how many college games they played in. He’s a student of the game and has said reading defenses is something he likes best which is a plus. So if I show hope and praise for him it’s only because I thought he was a smart pick for the Texans And I can’t reiterate enough that this was a third round pick.I can promise from NFL history there will be many teams that are going to be regretting picks in the first two rounds.
Dejaview
All Pro
Unfortunately at your age you see your QB getting anal massages. But we got to see Dan Pastorini judging wet T-Shirt contests on Lake Conroe when he wasn’t playing with a punctured lung.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Thunder thinks the young man is not ready for the NFL. Mainly because he’s only played 11 game in his collegiate career. Injuries and then Covid played a major factor in that. He probably would’ve played all of last season but Cali’ was tripping.
I understand his concerns but I believe my boy T should at least give the young man a shot.
Don't forget big Dan flipping his boat into a crowd and killing 2 people.
Here's an excerpt from the story:
LIBERTY, Tex., May 26 (AP) - A Liberty County grand jury ruled today that there was no criminal responsibility involved in an accident in which a jet-powered boat driven by Dan Pastorini. Houston Oiler quarterback, crashed into a crowd in Liberty County last Sunday. Two persons died as a result of the mishap.
Pastorini's boat went out of control as it crossed the finish line of a drag race on Lake Mizzel. The boat struck the shoreline at a speed estimated at 100 miles an hour, hurtled 101 feet through the air and stopped after having crashed into three parked vehicles.
Sherry Gasllins, 10 years-old, of Houston, was killed at the scene. Herman Dale Johnson, 33, of Houston, died yesterday at a Houston hospital. Pastorini was not injured.
wtf, I was chief engineer for a year in the 90’s on the A&M Gyre research vessel. What year was this? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro