I think that is the point being made. If you worked for the Texans, you would have my vote for employee of the month.
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The way McClain explained it on 610 today, it seemed more like an oversight & not a point making decision
I'm not sure that makes it better or worst.
I was thinking worse. First time HC (20+ year position coach) 1st time GM, but he knows it wasn't his job... & Cal.
It is what it is.
Poster griping about the locker room. SMH, who cares?
Like I said before, don't go 4-12 and you don't have to worry about these things.
Like I said before, don't go 4-12 and you don't have to worry about these things.
Texian
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A sign of things to come.
Texansballer74
The Marine
TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
It seems that some posters on texanstalk are looking for anything they can claim is bad so that when the team struggles they can point to those things as a reason and they can say I told you so.
No matter whether every decision the team makes this season is the right ones in your opinions or not, we most likely will not do very well in regards to winning very many games this season. We can find some hope for the future none the less. I choose not to think the worst of everything and I will give NC, DC and company the benefit of the doubt. At least in regards to this season. After BO'b I just don't see how some of you can act as if it is even worse now with him gone and all new people in control.
Yes Easterby is still part of the team, but I do not think he will have much say outside of spiritual and emotional support. At least I hope not.
We are making a new start and while some things do not seem right I will give NC, DC and staff a fair chance to see how things turn out!
If some of you want to remain negative that is fine by me, but as for me, that is no way to be. I choose to have some hope for the future till I see that it is no longer possible to feel that way. As of right now I do not feel the doom and gloom some of you feel. There just is no hope in that way of thinking and I choose to have some hope.
No matter whether every decision the team makes this season is the right ones in your opinions or not, we most likely will not do very well in regards to winning very many games this season. We can find some hope for the future none the less. I choose not to think the worst of everything and I will give NC, DC and company the benefit of the doubt. At least in regards to this season. After BO'b I just don't see how some of you can act as if it is even worse now with him gone and all new people in control.
Yes Easterby is still part of the team, but I do not think he will have much say outside of spiritual and emotional support. At least I hope not.
We are making a new start and while some things do not seem right I will give NC, DC and staff a fair chance to see how things turn out!
If some of you want to remain negative that is fine by me, but as for me, that is no way to be. I choose to have some hope for the future till I see that it is no longer possible to feel that way. As of right now I do not feel the doom and gloom some of you feel. There just is no hope in that way of thinking and I choose to have some hope.
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You do realize that having or not having hope will make the same difference for the future of this franchise, right? The questions for the posters I've read is, Are you giving an honest, objective take? I don't care about anyone's optimism, because it isn't material. What do you honestly think about the FA moves Caserio has made? What about the trades, both before and during the draft? Did Caserio maximize this draft? Did he do enough in UDFA? Is he poised to pickup a contract on the waiver wire?
Let's talk about real things. Not who is a cheerleader and who is a Debbie Downer.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
But if the team struggles, & those bad things are actually bad, wouldn't that mean...
Anyway... I'm expecting 13 wins & if that doesn't happen I'm going to come back to these threads to find out what went wrong.
TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
I have realistic expectations. That is why I am not all doom and gloom. I have hope for the future and I do not not see where NC has done anything so egregious that we are doomed for many years to come. Nothing NC has done is so bad as to basically write the team off. Anyway, we can't sink much lower than we already have. We could remain in the cellar for a long time but I do not think anything that has happened since NC took over the GM job adds up to that.
But if the team struggles, & those bad things are actually bad, wouldn't that mean...
Anyway... I'm expecting 13 wins & if that doesn't happen I'm going to come back to these threads to find out what went wrong.
I am willing to give NC and the team a season before I can pass any real judgements of how things are being ran.
Some on here are way too negative in my opinion. I am realistic, but to me that means this season is more or less an automatic write off by default. There will be plenty of time to critique the way things are being ran in due time.
Atleast wait till the team has played some games this season. I don't expect miracles and your sarcastic post in regards to 13 wins this season would be just that. Nothing I stated was close to predicting 13 wins. If I did please point out anywhere on the post you are responding to that I did that? I simply think that things are not as awful as some make them seem. We shall know plenty in due time.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Anyway... I'm expecting 13 wins & if that doesn't happen I'm going to come back to these threads to find out what went wrong.
You're in for a lot of reading. LOL
I'm just pointing out I am not in the doom & gloom club, but I have a few issues with Caserio & one or two with Culley so far.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I fail to see why everyone is so upset about all this. New GM, new coaches, new players, no draft choices. Jesus H. Christ what can a person expect from that mess? Of course we're gonna have a bad year. Anything over five wins is gravy, and if we do, maybe we'll have found a QB that can live behind our line. Wouldn't that be nice?
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
He hasn't done anything egregious. And he's got a ton to do to reverse what OB has done to this franchise. But if you come on here and point out concerns you might have with what he has done so far, which for me would be his seemingly total disregard for draft picks, then you get labeled and the conversation turns to that.
Agreed, to answer your questions,
1. I like the Mills pick. It's a slight gamble, but he's going to be working with a similar offense that he did in college under Shaw who fully believes in Mills talent and make no mistake that Mills has talent. The Pep/Shaw connection is why Mills was the pick.
2. Did they get as much out of the draft as they should have? The jury is out but I hope that they get 2 starters out of this draft. Collins and Jordan have starter level ability and truth is if Mills hits, the rest of this draft wont matter.
3. Do I think they got all they could've out of FA. I'm hoping they got 3 starters that are better than the guys they're replacing. I think they got that with Mitchell/King/Kirksey/DT's and on offense I expect the RB's and Taylor/Britt/Cannon to start and be upgrades on the OL. They also added an all pro KR/PR guy. Do I think Caserio did a perfect job in FA? Nope, I didn't like the DJ re-signing and there were some pretty non- descript CB's that were brought in and although it was a mistake the Finley wasn't a terrible mistake. BTW, I do like that most of the FA deals were 1 or 2 yr deals that will allow cap flexibility.
4. I liked the Cannon trade. (We dont know if he would've been released and even if he was, it's doubtful that he would've signed as a FA on a 4-12 re-building team.
5. UDFA's, we dont know that answer yet. Hopefully he finds some WW pickup gems but we dont know how that's going to turn out but I'm with you in that I wish they would've picked up Finley off WW instead of the late rd pick swap.
One thing we haven't talked about is the re-structure of Cooks/Tunsil. You dont like them, I like them for their veteran leadership/talent levels. There has to be some vet leadership. The way the Mercilus re-structure is set up I like because the Texans can get out from under that mistake after this yr.
Looking forward to your responses.
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That's neither here nor there.I fail to see why everyone is so upset about all this. New GM, new coaches, new players, no draft choices. Jesus H. Christ what can a person expect from that mess? Of course we're gonna have a bad year. Anything over five wins is gravy, and if we do, maybe we'll have found a QB that can live behind our line. Wouldn't that be nice?
Let's say you just met someone, you give them the benefit of the doubt. That person does some things you like, but also some things you don't.
This is where we are with Caserio. Some people hate everything he's done. Some people love everything he's done.
Neither position sound rational to me.
When it comes to draft picks, in this draft would you rather them move up and get the guys they really want even if it costs them a couple of draft picks. Or would you rather sit there and have teams like the Pats (Jimmy G) or Seahawks (Lockett) trade up 1 spot ahead of you and get your guy?
I've yet to see a poster who has loved everything Caserio has done. I've seen a couple of posters that dont like anything Caserio has done.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I do like the fact that he did away with the Bob McNair draft war room. A positive step in the right direction.
Texian
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Post of the week.
But if the team struggles, & those bad things are actually bad, wouldn't that mean...
Anyway... I'm expecting 13 wins & if that doesn't happen I'm going to come back to these threads to find out what went wrong.
13 wins?
In the next 2 yrs?
LMAO
Texian
Hall of Fame
I was expecting the best way to start your rebuilding process is with a guy you could plug in to the center of your OL who would be there for 10 years and make a couple of pro bowls. Then next year have the pick of the litter of QBs available. To much to ask?Jesus H. Christ what can a person expect from that mess?
Well, I guess according to TK and his 13 win prediction, Caserio could trade up and get 1 of the guys you like in next yrs draft.
Texian
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When it comes to REBUILDING and no one is desperately REBUILDING like the Texans, I would rather start from the inside and work out since it takes these inside guys a year or two to gel. Then you add your playmakers. Meinerz, Brown and Togiai would've been welcomed additions and starters for this team and a good solid start in the rebuilding process.
I get this.
But if Pep/Shaw are telling you Mills is special do you discount their opinions? From what little I've seen, Mills is a very talented guy.
Not only that, but Caserio has already addressed the OL. Believe it or not it may be the strongest part of the entire team.
Just another way to skin a cat.
I'm not saying it's necessarily the best way, or the way I'd prefer. Just another.
Texansballer74
The Marine
So being objective only = negative
And if you’re positive that means you’re not being realistic and or objective.
There is nothing wrong with voicing or typing your concerns. And there shouldn’t be a problem with some positivity outtakes. It’s amazing to me when people play the victim card by saying if you say this or that you will be labeled. But are you not labeling folks for voicing their positive opinions. One member went as far as calling me a bandwagon fan.
And if you’re positive that means you’re not being realistic and or objective.
There is nothing wrong with voicing or typing your concerns. And there shouldn’t be a problem with some positivity outtakes. It’s amazing to me when people play the victim card by saying if you say this or that you will be labeled. But are you not labeling folks for voicing their positive opinions. One member went as far as calling me a bandwagon fan.
Number19
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The one thing I might add is in regard to Mercilus. I had been thinking we need to take a wait and see opinion on him. Today on 610 I heard the same.
Mercilus has been playing LB and has had responsibility in pass coverage as well as pass rush and playing the run. In the new 4-3, he will be playing with his hand down and getting to the QB. At University of Illinois, his last year, he had 16 sacks and 9 forced fumbles doing exactly that.
I get the impression that Mercilus was a player maybe playing out of position as an outside LB in the 34.
Hopefully, a move back to his natural position as a 43 defensive end will prove to rejuvenate his career. His draft profile suggests he should be playing the right side against left tackles. Hope it's not too late and he still has something left.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Yeah I believe he was playing out of position.
TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
Fair enough. I am not altogether sold on all the moves Caserio and Culley have made but I just am not going to let my opinion of those moves make me jump ship as some, "not you," seem to be acting as though they are ready to do. I don't think per say that things are as gloomy as most of the critics do. I have few issues with the way in which Nick Caserio went about his business in free agency. At least in regards to this season. I think Nick Caserio made some solid picks in the draft even if on the surface it seems he did not maximize his draft picks. I don't think it was imperative that we needed to draft Davis Mills. I would rather we'd have taken an O-lineman or a defensive player with that pick but I also could see where the drafting of Davis Mills ends up a good choice. As far as UDFA's go, I would have liked if we had more of them but I don't know a whole lot in that regard.
The critics for the most part have piled on us as far as the choices Nick Caserio has made, but I am no critic and defer to you and others as to how things have played out so far. In my uneducated opinion things don't seem as bad as some posters think they are. In my way of thinking Nick Caserio could not do near the damage that BO'b did. I sure hope not at least. I still hold out hope for things to turn to the positive in relatively short order.
At what point do you jump ship? I am not ready to do that but I could see it happening if things don't start to look up in the next couple of seasons. At this time I give Caserio and Culley the benefit of the doubt. They deserve to be given a fair chance. Let us see if many critics opinions are unfounded.
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The vocal ones, the ones I'm sure you are talking about have almost always negative Nancy's.
I wouldn't ignore their contributions to the board, but I'd rarely respond to their opinions.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I've watched 5 Mills games and there is as much to be disappointed about as there is to like. I have concerns about Pep, he doesn't stick around to long, 2 years and he's gone for the last 20 years. I don't think he's the coach everyone thinks he is. I discount Shaw because he's Mills head coach and has to promote his players. Red flag went up on draft night when Shaw said Mills was FAIRLY accurate. Being somewhat accurate does show up on Mills game tapes.
badboy
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Some of the concerns that I have also. If Pep was a bag of chips and all that seems like he would be locked into a solid franchise as at least their offensive coordinator with ongoing high dollar contract or be an assistant head coach somewhere.
I would not let a quarterback Whisperer get out of my control. Seems like that type of coach would be as important as a franchise QB.
So you would discount Pep's evals?
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
If only we had gotten Goff or Wentz like Texian wanted. We'd be sitting on multiple trophies right now.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Today should be an interesting day for Texans - and around the league.
Might listen to 610.
Might listen to 610.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Big red flag for me was when he turned down a OC job so he could be Andrew Luck's QB coach. After only 2 years Pep was fired. And after only one year as Justin Herbert coach he jumps ship to come to the biggest dumpster fire in the league to work for the biggest no name coach in the NFL and to be Tyrod Taylor's coach? That just does not compute. Amazingly Pep is responsible for the Texans first 2 draft picks.
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Texian
Hall of Fame
Based on Pep's shady work history, questioning his work is certainly something to consider. I can tell you as a previous business owner I would not hire someone with a work history like Pep Hamilton's. Amazingly Pep is responsible for the Texans first two draft picks. I think Pep is a better salesman than he is a coach.
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I wouldn't hire somebody with a work history like his either.
With that said, they hired Pep and you gotta trust the people you hire. Hopefully Pep can get out of Mills what he got out of Herbert. What troubles me is if not for the Chargers medical screw up, there's no telling how long Herbert would've ridden the bench.
Is the weatherman "doom & gloom" when he shows you a massive hurricane headed our way? 
Just think of the realists and pragmatic fans as Houston Texans weathermen. We're not always right (never claimed to be), but using logic, reason, and understanding of NFL and Houston Texans history, it's not rocket science to predict a losing season in 2021.
If you want pom poms and happy thoughts, tune into Marc Vandermeer at 6:00 p.m. on 610 every day. He'll blow smoke up your tush until you're full of it.
Just think of the realists and pragmatic fans as Houston Texans weathermen. We're not always right (never claimed to be), but using logic, reason, and understanding of NFL and Houston Texans history, it's not rocket science to predict a losing season in 2021.
If you want pom poms and happy thoughts, tune into Marc Vandermeer at 6:00 p.m. on 610 every day. He'll blow smoke up your tush until you're full of it.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Who on this forum has seriously predicted 9 or more wins.Is the weatherman "doom & gloom" when he shows you a massive hurricane headed our way?
Just think of the realists and pragmatic fans as Houston Texans weathermen. We're not always right (never claimed to be), but using logic, reason, and understanding of NFL and Houston Texans history, it's not rocket science to predict a losing season in 2021.
If you want pom poms and happy thoughts, tune into Marc Vandermeer at 6:00 p.m. on 610 every day. He'll blow smoke up your tush until you're full of it.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I was also on the “draft Meinerz” team for the first 3rd round pick. But projecting any 3rd round pick as a 10 year starter multi time pro bowler is equally as ridiculous as people expecting Mills to be day 1 franchise QB.
Those types of projections are reserved for top 10 first round picks... of which the Texans did not have a pick and these players were not taken or discussed as such.
TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
Pep has to utilize his Qb's according to their skills and in doing so his success revolves around their talent. How much credit a so called quarterback whisperer gets is determined in large part to them having the right fit at the quarterback position. If none of our quarterbacks come with the talent and a good to great work ethic, I could care less what kind of reputation Pep has because all of our quarterbacks and Pep will not look very good.
I am banking on Tyrod Taylor having a solid season for us. Davis Mills showing some promise in training camp and preseason will give us hope for his future with our team.
Being that we are supposed to lose every game this season I do not think there is much pressure on any of our quarterbacks in regards to living up to their expectations. I think the fact that nothing much is expected of our whole team is a good thing. They have nothing to lose and can surprise a lot skeptics and critics. It will be an entertaining season no doubt.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Is the weatherman "doom & gloom" when he shows you a massive hurricane headed our way?
Just think of the realists and pragmatic fans as Houston Texans weathermen. We're not always right (never claimed to be), but using logic, reason, and understanding of NFL and Houston Texans history, it's not rocket science to predict a losing season in 2021.
If you want pom poms and happy thoughts, tune into Marc Vandermeer at 6:00 p.m. on 610 every day. He'll blow smoke up your tush until you're full of it.
The weatherman tends to get things wrong a lot as well DB. That massive hurricane just might miss the Texans. Wait and see approach is the best way imo to go about this. We're not the Dolphins, Jets, Jaguars or Browns. Those franchises have been destroyed by those type of hurricanes. Now the Browns and Dolphins have escaped those type of hurricanes so far. We've been hit a few times but we've been able to bounce back. Wouldn't you agree?
Texian
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I'm not basing my ridiculousness on just his workout in the outdoors video. I'm basing my decision on the senior bowl performance and his workout metrics. By far he is the most athletic OL in this draft. 6'3" 320 lbs is a perfect size for an OC. He ran a 4.86 40 the fastest time for OL, 100 percentile. Meinerz 7.33 sec. 3 Cone; 1.73 sec. 10YD Split and 4.47 Shuttle were in the 92, 90 and 84 percentile respectively. Quinn's 111" Broad and 32" Vertical were in the 90th and 89th percentile. His 33 reps of 225 was better than most. He is the most athletic OL in this draft. To put it bluntly, Meinerz is BIG, Fast and Strong and he manhandled the best the Senior Bowl had to offer!
"Meinerz was the talk of Senior Bowl week — and not just because of his exposed gut. This man brought it on the football field. Meinerz is not only a feel good story; he has legit tools. His ability to drive off the line of scrimmage with leverage and explosiveness was the most impressive of any offensive lineman in attendance. He put multiple defensive linemen in the turf over the course of the week. For that to be his first experience against high-level college competition was nothing short of jaw-dropping." I agree Quinn's athleticism for an OL is ridiculous. He reminds me of Kyle Long.
Mike Garafolo on Twitter: "The legend of Quinn Meinerz grows. @gmfb’s draft diary guy from Wisconsin-Whitewater did 33 reps on the bench today at a workout run by the #Packers. Coming off a broken hand at the Senior Bowl. https://t.co/TOTiufkNBW" / Twitter
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TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
It boils down to not being overly pessimistic. In no way do I see a long dark tunnel that seems to have no end in sight. I do not liken our situation to a hurricane headed our way. We will struggle this season and I never said otherwise. I simply don't think that Nick Caserio has done so poorly that there is no hope for our team for a long time to come. Outside of setting us up for a culture change I do not think Nick Caserio has done a lot to turn things around, but that does not concern me this season. There will be plenty of time to judge Nick Caserio on how things look going forward. To me this is an automatic throw away season. There really is nothing much to lose. Nick Caserio has not done much to improve us but I do not think he has made things all that worse than what we already were dealing with! We are at rock bottom and outside of staying there we have nowhere to go but up. I see us having a slightly better season than many expect but far from making the playoffs. We could still do better than last season. That is not saying much but to do so is a step in the right direction in my opinion.Is the weatherman "doom & gloom" when he shows you a massive hurricane headed our way?
Just think of the realists and pragmatic fans as Houston Texans weathermen. We're not always right (never claimed to be), but using logic, reason, and understanding of NFL and Houston Texans history, it's not rocket science to predict a losing season in 2021.
If you want pom poms and happy thoughts, tune into Marc Vandermeer at 6:00 p.m. on 610 every day. He'll blow smoke up your tush until you're full of it.
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