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[Pick 67] Davis Mills QB Stanford

thunderkyss said:
I agree with you. But you have to consider we were the third worst team in the league.

But I totally agree, can’t believe our fans are so optimistic about the Jags & Jets being so much better.

1.5 home underdogs was eye opening. But that can be overcome. I don’t see this team, bad as they are, getting swept by the Jags & losing to the Jets.

Might happen. My eyes will be opened again. But right now, I just don’t see it.
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I believe the Jets and Jaguars will struggle. I don’t know if they will be better than the Texans. I just feel that no team has had a worse offseason than the Texans. If anyone can dispute that, I’d like to hear their argument. And it’s not like the Texans could afford anymore bad luck on top of the horrible job O’Brien did with the roster and contract management but along came Watson and his cascade of problems.

The Texans are early underdogs in every game this season for good reason.
 
powda said:
Do you see mills (excluding injury) being active for a single game yet? What was our bet again? 1 hundy to the site if he is?
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I believe it was $50.

I know if I drafted Mills a year early (that's what everyone is saying) I'm going to spend this year getting him prepared, on the practice squad.

If I truly believe he is Watson's replacement my goal is to do everything possible to make sure he's ready to start week 1, 2022.

IMO, putting him on the field in 2021 is premature. At this point any way. Maybe he shows he is ready week 8 or 9.

But right now I can't see how they can think Mr started 11 games is ready to be on the active roster.
 
thunderkyss said:
I believe it was $50.

I know if I drafted Mills a year early (that's what everyone is saying) I'm going to spend this year getting him prepared, on the practice squad.

If I truly believe he is Watson's replacement my goal is to do everything possible to make sure he's ready to start week 1, 2022.

IMO, putting him on the field in 2021 is premature. At this point any way. Maybe he shows he is ready week 8 or 9.

But right now I can't see how they can think Mr started 11 games is ready to be on the active roster.
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But doesn't this team have to know how good he can be prior to the 22 draft?
 
banned1976 said:
I believe the Jets and Jaguars will struggle. I don’t know if they will be better than the Texans. I just feel that no team has had a worse offseason than the Texans.
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I believe the Texans have gone to the Divisional round of the playoffs with some pretty bad QBs. Part of the reason why is because the Jags & Jets are the Jags & the Jets.

The Texans do not have the market cornered on dysfunction.

In the past, the Texans have managed to do better with the poor hand they've been dealt, than those particular teams.
 
powda said:
But doesn't this team have to know how good he can be prior to the 22 draft?
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If they know how to evaluate talent, they don't need him to be on the field.

Think Tony Romo. The Cowboys knew before he ever stepped on the field that he was their starter. Sean Payton wanted to take him to New Orleans. He was his 1st choice for QB.
 
thunderkyss said:
If they know how to evaluate talent, they don't need him to be on the field.

Think Tony Romo. The Cowboys knew before he ever stepped on the field that he was their starter. Sean Payton wanted to take him to New Orleans. He was his 1st choice for QB.
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I don't think this coaching staff is anywhere near as competent as Peyton.

Your post is wishful thinking at best.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Why are you guys so positive when it comes to teams like the Jaguars and Jets? But so down on your own team. I’m sorry I just don’t understand that especially when those two team were worse.
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I don't know how the Jets and Jags have improved if any, and I don't care about either enough to go through their roster to see how it might matchup with us at this point in time.

I do know they both probably have a better QB than we do. And I do know the Texans barely beat the Jags the 2nd time around, with Jake Luton as the Jags QB and the Texans with Watson, Cooks and Fuller all on the field. So saying we aren't losing to them is just as premature as saying we will.

If the Texans are going to get to 4 or 5 wins, or more, they will have to win at least 2, if not all 3 games with the Jets and Jags. And not that it means anything, Vegas doesn't think much of the Texans getting a W in week 1.
 
thunderkyss said:
If they know how to evaluate talent, they don't need him to be on the field.

Think Tony Romo. The Cowboys knew before he ever stepped on the field that he was their starter. Sean Payton wanted to take him to New Orleans. He was his 1st choice for QB.
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Tony Romo only won two of six playoff games, never going beyond the division round.

I thought most here was wanting an elite qb?

We haven't seen Mills in action yet, but his potential is arguably the equal of Romo.
 
powda said:
I don't think this coaching staff is anywhere near as competent as Peyton.
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Manning?

Regardless, if they are that incompetent that's even more reason they shouldn't put him on the field.

I get it, we fans want to see him on the field so we can speculate. But the coaches will see him every day. They'll talk to him every day. They'll break down film & watch him put into practice what he is learning.


powda said:
Your post is wishful thinking at best.
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Not at all. I'm not projecting anything. Not even their competence. I'm just saying if they're any good at their job, they'll "know" what they got before they put him on the field.
 
Number19 said:
Tony Romo only won two of six playoff games, never going beyond the division round.

I thought most here was wanting an elite qb?

We haven't seen Mills in action yet, but his potential is arguably the equal of Romo.
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I'm pretty sure we didn't nab an elite QB in the third round. Because-Texans- it's not what we do.

Secondly I never compared Mills to Romo.

My point was the coaches knew they had a special player. & it was up to them to get him ready.

It took them 4 years, but they knew.

As a 3rd round pick, I hope it won't take 4 years.
 
powda said:
Weren't you?

I didn't say the earth was flat. I have a glommier outlook for the team then you. That's all. You base your opinion on an improved passing game when we're losing our starting qb and an improved running game. Why should our run game be improved?

I wanna see it. Thats all.
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No I wasn’t so don’t paint that type of picture. We’re having what I thought was a decent conversation. I guess not
 
SnakeEyes said:
Last time I looked...a team has 11 players on the field at 1 time. So ANYONE who is saying Mills lost/won vs any team is not very bright. He can play well and throw 2 INTs. Why/how is that? Easy, ever seen a WR go left when the pattern is to cut right? Ever see a WR tip a pass? And so on. That's why Watson and his high INT rate were not very alarming to GMs. True, you can't say that he is not as good rolling out to the left I think it is (been awhile since I watched film). He threw more INTs that way than just on bad reads. Watson also will make good plays with his improv play in school. However, he also made some very stupid mistakes with it.

Bottom line is that Mills is good. How good is not known until he is under center in a live game. Keep in mind that even Manning looked dumb at times during his rookie year.
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Steelb was the one that likes to measure QBs by wins and losses.
You need to know that history.

As for Mills, nothing is going to change the fact that he was a game manager.

If you google "Davis Mills play maker" vs. "Ian Book play maker", you will see a huge difference.
 
76Texan said:
Steelb was the one that likes to measure QBs by wins and losses.
You need to know that history.

As for Mills, nothing is going to change the fact that he was a game manager.

If you google "Davis Mills play maker" vs. "Ian Book play maker", you will see a huge difference.
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So if you had the opportunity to get Tom Brady, in his prime, you wouldn't want him because he's a game manager? Of course I can guess you will say, don't be stupid. BUT, you would never draft Tom Brady, would you?
 
Number19 said:
So if you had the opportunity to get Tom Brady, in his prime, you wouldn't want him because he's a game manager? Of course I can guess you will say, don't be stupid. BUT, you would never draft Tom Brady, would you?
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Tom Brady in his prime was a game manager?
 
Thorn said:
If the Texans win 6 or more games this season, I'll be placing the credit more so on the coaches than the players. If the Texans actually improve themselves without the use of Watson then that will sort of lock up the discussion about how bad OB was.
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And that DW4 wasn't all that some on here think he is.
 
banned1976 said:
I believe the Jets and Jaguars will struggle. I don’t know if they will be better than the Texans. I just feel that no team has had a worse offseason than the Texans. If anyone can dispute that, I’d like to hear their argument. And it’s not like the Texans could afford anymore bad luck on top of the horrible job O’Brien did with the roster and contract management but along came Watson and his cascade of problems.

The Texans are early underdogs in every game this season for good reason.
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You're spot on. The Texans drafting Mills is like the Jags drafting Jacob Eason last year knowing they would still be able to draft Trevor Lawrence or Zac Wilson or Trey Lance in this year's draft. As we know the Jags did not waste a draft pick on Eason.
 
Texian said:
You're spot on. The Texans drafting Mills is like the Jags drafting Jacob Eason last year knowing they would still be able to draft Trevor Lawrence or Zac Wilson or Trey Lance in this year's draft. As we know the Jags did not waste a draft pick on Eason.
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It's actually nothing like that.

They had a young QB that they gave a shot too last year. They found out he wasn't the guy and drafted Lawrence.

Hopefully Culley does the same thing with Mills
 
Texian said:
You're spot on. The Texans drafting Mills is like the Jags drafting Jacob Eason last year knowing they would still be able to draft Trevor Lawrence or Zac Wilson or Trey Lance in this year's draft. As we know the Jags did not waste a draft pick on Eason.
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So, who in your mind is next years Trevor Lawrence? I don't really see anyone of that perceived talent level in next years class. Isn't it possible that Mills turns out to be better than anything they can get next year? You don't really know much about Mills. Nobody really does because of the COvid mess. Mills could be the next Tom Brady or Joe Montana, but he could turn out to be the next Ryan Leaf. I see him more in the class of Eli Manning.
 
vtech9 said:
So, who in your mind is next years Trevor Lawrence? I don't really see anyone of that perceived talent level in next years class.
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There's a thread in the NFL section questioning the logic of drafting 1st round QBs. They use a stat that none of the first round QBs from 2009 to 2016 are on the team's that drafted them.

Which I find odd as the NFL offenses have adopted more college offense paradigms... you'd think QBs would be more "ready" but it seems fewer of them are able to play in this league.

Team's need to do something different in how they go about bringing these QBs in & preparing them to play.

Hopefully the Texans are aware of this & David Mills is the start of that process.

Joe Burrow & that kid with the Chargers look to be doing pretty good. Heck, Baker Mayfield may be on the right track, so who knows. Maybe the NFL has figured it out.
 
vtech9 said:
So, who in your mind is next years Trevor Lawrence? I don't really see anyone of that perceived talent level in next years class. Isn't it possible that Mills turns out to be better than anything they can get next year? You don't really know much about Mills. Nobody really does because of the COvid mess. Mills could be the next Tom Brady or Joe Montana, but he could turn out to be the next Ryan Leaf. I see him more in the class of Eli Manning.
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And if he doesn’t work out, who cares.
He’s a 3rd round pick. It’s not a massive loss.
Rattler or Howell or Strong will be there for HOU.
 
Jack Burton said:
And if he doesn’t work out, who cares.
He’s a 3rd round pick. It’s not a massive loss.
Rattler or Howell or Strong will be there for HOU.
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Do you think those three are a fit for any team?

Or

Do you think any team should make room for any of the three?

Take, for instance, Watson. I think any team should be able to make room for him. Rick was ready to make that happen. But BO'b, not so much.

Is it possible that Casserio might prefer Mills (I honestly can't see it, but I don't understand drafting him in the first place). But just imagine Mills is their guy. & you can draft three defensive starters in the 2022 draft.
 
thunderkyss said:
Do you think those three are a fit for any team?

Or

Do you think any team should make room for any of the three?

Take, for instance, Watson. I think any team should be able to make room for him. Rick was ready to make that happen. But BO'b, not so much.

Is it possible that Casserio might prefer Mills (I honestly can't see it, but I don't understand drafting him in the first place). But just imagine Mills is their guy. & you can draft three defensive starters in the 2022 draft.
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My 2022 mock almost covered this to the tee.
 
Jack Burton said:
And if he doesn’t work out, who cares.
He’s a 3rd round pick. It’s not a massive loss.
Rattler or Howell or Strong will be there for HOU.
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If we had a round one and round two this draft I would be a little more in your corner however since he was our first pick of the draft it's a little bit different for me. I am not against Davis Mills but hope he has the skill set that can be refined into an NFL quarterback by Pep Hamilton. If we hit on this selection we will be very far ahead of the game so in that regards it is worth the risk.
Can you imagine the cereal sponsorship with Davis 'the General" Mills? John McClain would have to give up his title.
 
Number19 said:
So if you had the opportunity to get Tom Brady, in his prime, you wouldn't want him because he's a game manager? Of course I can guess you will say, don't be stupid. BUT, you would never draft Tom Brady, would you?
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Because he is a great game manager...but his highlight plays are few and far between. Meanwhile, anyone who is a walking highlight (use Cam Newton as an example) is the pick you manke. Seeing he will win more...wait, Newton has 0 SB wins and Brady has 7.

Mic 🎤 drop....
 
badboy said:
If we had a round one and round two this draft I would be a little more in your corner however since he was our first pick of the draft it's a little bit different for me. I am not against Davis Mills but hope he has the skill set that can be refined into an NFL quarterback by Pep Hamilton. If we hit on this selection we will be very far ahead of the game so in that regards it is worth the risk.
Can you imagine the cereal sponsorship with Davis 'the General" Mills? John McClain would have to give up his title.
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It would be a H.E.B commercial that writes itself.
 
badboy said:
If we had a round one and round two this draft I would be a little more in your corner however since he was our first pick of the draft it's a little bit different for me.
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Seeing the MO of the last 6 months that is often void of common sense and logic, having a 1st and 2nd RD pick frightens the hell out of me. I can see a bigger FUBAR. A SNAFU on a much grander scale. I see a scenario where we end up with Mike Williams instead of Demarcus Ware.
Taking Mike Williams over DeMarcus Ware an epic blunder for Lions - Detroit Lions Blog- ESPN

The Lions passed on DeMarcus Ware (Dallas), Shawne Merriman (San Diego), Thomas Davis (Carolina) and Derrick Johnson (Kansas City) and a plucky quarterback out of Cal who fell a bit in the draft, Aaron Rodgers (Green Bay) to draft WR Mike Williams. The Nico Collins decision reminds me of the Mike Williams decision but on a smaller FUBAR scale. A much grander SNAFU is coming....
 
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thunderkyss said:
Do you think those three are a fit for any team?

Or

Do you think any team should make room for any of the three?

Take, for instance, Watson. I think any team should be able to make room for him. Rick was ready to make that happen. But BO'b, not so much.

Is it possible that Casserio might prefer Mills (I honestly can't see it, but I don't understand drafting him in the first place). But just imagine Mills is their guy. & you can draft three defensive starters in the 2022 draft.
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Sure! I’m down.
And if they really, really like a QB they get him and 2 defensive starters.
 
badboy said:
If we had a round one and round two this draft I would be a little more in your corner however since he was our first pick of the draft it's a little bit different for me. I am not against Davis Mills but hope he has the skill set that can be refined into an NFL quarterback by Pep Hamilton. If we hit on this selection we will be very far ahead of the game so in that regards it is worth the risk.
Can you imagine the cereal sponsorship with Davis 'the General" Mills? John McClain would have to give up his title.
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I was down with the pic for that exact reason.
This draft was a wash because they didn’t have a 1st or 2nd and they are clearly in a rebuild.
So you take a chance on a QB since you know you need one and if he pans out great. If not, he’s a 3rd round pick. It’s simply not the end of the world and more than likely HOU is going to have a really high pick next year, along with others, and there’s a bunch of QBs to choose from.

The real reason this 3rd round pick has been so hyper criticized is because for just a very, very few it represents the end of another player in HOU. It’s a message sent from the FO, which they probably already have issue with, that those days are officially over. And that is a cause for some serious butthurt.
It wouldn’t matter which QB was selected they would have feigned outrage and concocted endless pages of whine.

The bottom line is HOU is rebuilding and needed a QB and they believe he has the potential to be a viable starter in the NFL and so why not.
 
Jack Burton said:
And if he doesn’t work out, who cares.
He’s a 3rd round pick. It’s not a massive loss.
Rattler or Howell or Strong will be there for HOU.
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You can never have enough quality Qb's on your team. Even if DM's looks promising I still think we should seriously consider drafting another talented young Qb next season. I like the idea of two young guns battling it out for the starting job. It can only make both better.
 
Jack Burton said:
I was down with the pic for that exact reason.
This draft was a wash because they didn’t have a 1st or 2nd and they are clearly in a rebuild.
So you take a chance on a QB since you know you need one and if he pans out great. If not, he’s a 3rd round pick. It’s simply not the end of the world and more than likely HOU is going to have a really high pick next year, along with others, and there’s a bunch of QBs to choose from.

The real reason this 3rd round pick has been so hyper criticized is because for just a very, very few it represents the end of another player in HOU. It’s a message sent from the FO, which they probably already have issue with, that those days are officially over. And that is a cause for some serious butthurt.
It wouldn’t matter which QB was selected they would have feigned outrage and concocted endless pages of whine.

The bottom line is HOU is rebuilding and needed a QB and they believe he has the potential to be a viable starter in the NFL and so why not.
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Whaaaaat? You don’t think those very very few aren’t smart? It takes a big man to stand up and second guess everything and spend time digging through old draft news (takes time for the draft choices to prove bad or good) to have “data” to back up their dumbass claims. Brilliant!
 
Jack Burton said:
I was down with the pic for that exact reason.
This draft was a wash because they didn’t have a 1st or 2nd and they are clearly in a rebuild.
So you take a chance on a QB since you know you need one and if he pans out great. If not, he’s a 3rd round pick. It’s simply not the end of the world and more than likely HOU is going to have a really high pick next year, along with others, and there’s a bunch of QBs to choose from.

The real reason this 3rd round pick has been so hyper criticized is because for just a very, very few it represents the end of another player in HOU. It’s a message sent from the FO, which they probably already have issue with, that those days are officially over. And that is a cause for some serious butthurt.
It wouldn’t matter which QB was selected they would have feigned outrage and concocted endless pages of whine.

The bottom line is HOU is rebuilding and needed a QB and they believe he has the potential to be a viable starter in the NFL and so why not.
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I don't think this pick has been "hyper criticized" but admittedly I haven't read every post in this thread. From my perspective, my initial response was "not what I would have done but I understand it" and I still feel that way. If Mills turns out to be a serviceable quarterback, I'd consider that a win for Caserio and company. They'll need warm bodies in the quarterback room next year as Taylor is only signed for one year.

I'm really not that motivated to argue my opinion on a subject I'm not overly passionate about. Once upon a time I could go back and forth with people on this board but those days are behind me.

One thing to remember, it does take more than one viewpoint to keep this board interesting. You might not agree with the opposing viewpoint, consider it whining, but if everybody agreed with everything this organization did, what would be the point of TT?
 
thunderkyss said:
There's a thread in the NFL section questioning the logic of drafting 1st round QBs. They use a stat that none of the first round QBs from 2009 to 2016 are on the team's that drafted them.

Which I find odd as the NFL offenses have adopted more college offense paradigms... you'd think QBs would be more "ready" but it seems fewer of them are able to play in this league.

Team's need to do something different in how they go about bringing these QBs in & preparing them to play.

Hopefully the Texans are aware of this & David Mills is the start of that process.

Joe Burrow & that kid with the Chargers look to be doing pretty good. Heck, Baker Mayfield may be on the right track, so who knows. Maybe the NFL has figured it out.
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I think the key is not to reach with the "top 12 or so" first round picks.
A few didn't get to their full potential because of injury (Bradford, Mariota, Griffin, Luck).
Otherwise, drafting a QB in the first round is always worth it.
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
You can never have enough quality Qb's on your team. Even if DM's looks promising I still think we should seriously consider drafting another talented young Qb next season. I like the idea of two young guns battling it out for the starting job. It can only make both better.
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I would agree, but only when the team is already completive.
Like I said when we had Schaub, I still wanted to take Wilson (as high as a second rounder) and Keenum (as high as the fifth or even the 4th).
I considered Bridgewater, Derek Carr, and Jimmy G (all in the second round) because I didn't like Fitz as a full-time starter.
Those were the years that we had the ammo.
 
76Texan said:
I would agree, but only when the team is already completive.
Like I said when we had Schaub, I still wanted to take Wilson (as high as a second rounder) and Keenum (as high as the fifth or even the 4th).
I considered Bridgewater, Derek Carr, and Jimmy G (all in the second round) because I didn't like Fitz as a full-time starter.
Those were the years that we had the ammo.
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I will just have to agree to disagree in regards to drafting Davis Mills. I think the choice of Davis Mills was worth the risk.
 
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TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
I will just have to agree to disagree in regards to drafting DM's. I think NC made a good choice.
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Yeap.
If the Texans draft a QB in the first round next year, I would say the Mills pick is a fail though.
The first round pick will start sooner or later.
Mills, IMO, would be a wasted pick in the high third round.
'Cause like I said, a guy in that slot has got to become a bona-fide starter on a team that aspires to win big.
 
76Texan said:
If the Texans draft a QB in the first round next year, I would say the Mills pick is a fail though.
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I don't think the expectations for a 3rd round Qb are too high, especially in his first season. Davis Mills will not be expected to make an instant impact on the team. I think you are right in regards to what it would mean by drafting another Qb in the first round next season. Still I am all for drafting another young Qb to compete with Davis Mills, even if Davis Mills shows some promise. If Davis Mills far exceeds expectations than I don't think that our team should draft another young Qb. Still I am not expecting much in Davis's first season. I expect that a high draft pick next season would more than likely be given the keys to the kingdom. Still I like the idea of two young Qb's competing. It could be a good thing.
 
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TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
I don't think the expectations for a 3rd round Qb are too high, especially in his first season. Davis Mills will not be expected to make an instant impact on the team. I think you are right in regards to what it would mean by drafting another Qb in the first round next season. Still I am all for drafting another young Qb to compete with Davis Mills, even if Davis Mills shows some promise. If Davis Mills far exceeds expectations than I don't think that our team will draft another young Qb. Still I am not expecting much in Davis's first season. I expect that a high draft pick next season would more than likely be given the keys to the kingdom. Still I like the idea of two young Qb's competing. It could be a good thing.
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I don't think it matters what we see.
If the Texans draft a QB in the first round next year, it can only mean that they do not see Mills as a capable NFL caliber starter.
 
76Texan said:
I don't think it matters what we see.
If the Texans draft a QB in the first round next year, it can only mean that they do not see Mills as a capable NFL caliber starter.
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You are probably correct. I hate that it has to be that way though because I think there is room for two young Qb's to compete. Still I agree with you in regards to what the Texans feelings would be in regards to Davis Mills if they draft a Qb in the first round.
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
You can never have enough quality Qb's on your team. Even if DM's looks promising I still think we should seriously consider drafting another talented young Qb next season. I like the idea of two young guns battling it out for the starting job. It can only make both better.
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Caserio said competition was his main thing. It wouldn't hurt.my feelings at all if Caserio has any doubt he should go Strong/Rattler/Howell in the 2022 draft.
 
76Texan said:
Yeap.
If the Texans draft a QB in the first round next year, I would say the Mills pick is a fail though.
The first round pick will start sooner or later.
Mills, IMO, would be a wasted pick in the high third round.
'Cause like I said, a guy in that slot has got to become a bona-fide starter on a team that aspires to win big.
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How do you possibly know already how he will turn out? your Whole scenario is he is a fail if we draft another QB in the first round? He’s locked up for a few years. His development even then is yet to be determined. if This team can ever gamble again by taking a QB in the third round this is the year. We aren’t supposed to win any games this year, right? So if we took a gamble on some D or OL player in the third round he was going to set us up to glory land? you can’t say Mills is a wasted pick unless you prove your alternate choice right now wouldn’t prove to be wasted. So, with that scenario, which pick may have the largest upside for this team? Your answer should consider trade value of a Mills with NFL experience also, vs that alternate picks trade value.
 
Dejaview said:
How do you possibly know already how he will turn out? your Whole scenario is he is a fail if we draft another QB in the first round? He’s locked up for a few years. His development even then is yet to be determined. if This team can ever gamble again by taking a QB in the third round this is the year. We aren’t supposed to win any games this year, right? So if we took a gamble on some D or OL player in the third round he was going to set us up to glory land? you can’t say Mills is a wasted pick unless you prove your alternate choice right now wouldn’t prove to be wasted. So, with that scenario, which pick may have the largest upside for this team? Your answer should consider trade value of a Mills with NFL experience also, vs that alternate picks trade value.
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It doesn't matter whether my proposed alternative pick works out or not, if the Texans draft a QB in the first round next year, they clearly tell me that they don't think Mills is the answer.
That QB will be given all the opportunities to show he's worth the pick.
Unless you wish that the newly minted QB is a total bust, Mills isn't going to see much playing time, if at all.
If the Texans fail with the first round QB, what might the general feeling of them getting it right with a third rounder be?
 
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