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[Pick 67] Davis Mills QB Stanford

Dejaview said:
Man, this guy can drop a pass into tight coverage where it Cant be defended. Throws a tight spiral on the run. Good pocket presence. That potential in the third round is a no brainer.
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The throws around the 1:00 and 2:30 min mark were great throws that will play at any level. Also Mills showed the ability to stand in the pocket, take a hit and deliver an accurate ball. He's got the talent to be a really good NFL starter. Like every other young QB that's accurate it's going to come down to reading defenses and being able to process what he sees quickly.
 
steelbtexan said:
The throws around the 1:00 and 2:30 min mark were great throws that will play at any level. Also Mills showed the ability to stand in the pocket, take a hit and deliver an accurate ball. He's got the talent to be a really good NFL starter. Like every other young QB that's accurate it's going to come down to reading defenses and being able to process what he sees quickly.
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He stated that reading defenses is what he really likes to do. Seems he gets faulted for his lack of experience which is understandable but not enough has been said about his maturity, intelligence, and time spent in a superbly coached pro style offense, all attributes that even the most experienced college QB’s often have to develop at the pro level. In important ways he’s already further down the learning curve than what otherwise may not be obvious. I don’t know, he just doesn’t seem overwhelmed to me and will in every way aspire to be a real pro.
 
otisbean said:
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The Stanford QB threw the ball through wind and rain during his pro day and surprised some with his 40-yard dash times, impressing draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah
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4.66 and 4.58 in the 40 isn’t mobile?
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I see that as fast enough to get 5-15 yards when the defense parts like the Red Sea and quick enough to escape a bad pocket.

Reference:
Deshaun Watson: 4.66-40
Cam Newton: 4.59-40
Russell Wilson: 4.53-40
Marcus Mariota: 4.52-40
Kellen Mond: 4.62-40
Kyle Trask: 5.08-40
 
Low risk high reward would be Ian Book, the winningest QB in Notre Dame history.

He only lost to powerhouses but also beat some of them.

You think Mills come back win against hohum UCLA is gutsy?
Check out Book's win against Clemson.
A true play maker and a gamer.

At no. 133 (very low 4th), he'll be in good hands with Sean Payton.
Like Brees, he's only 6'0, and fearless.

It would have been a better choice, IMO.
 
76Texan said:
Low risk high reward would be Ian Book, the winningest QB in Notre Dame history.

He only lost to powerhouses but also beat some of them.

You think Mills come back win against hohum UCLA is gutsy?
Check out Book's win against Clemson.
A true play maker and a gamer.

At no. 133 (very low 4th), he'll be in good hands with Sean Payton.
Like Brees, he's only 6'0, and fearless.

It would have been a better choice, IMO.
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He didn't just lose to powerhouses. ND got taken behind the woodshed.. Kelly's entire M.O. during his tenure there. Why isn't a 3rd round pick QB a low risk high reward? Because of (())'Brien our first pick in the draft was a 3rd round pick? At the end of the day it's still a 3rd round pick.. right there with the 4th.
 
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Carr Bombed said:
He didn't just lose to powerhouses. ND got taken behind the woodshed.. Kelly's entire M.O. during his tenure there. Why isn't a 3rd round pick QB a low risk high reward? Because of (())'Brien our first pick in the draft was a 3rd round pick? At the end of the day it's still a 3rd round pick.. right there with the 4th.
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There's no shame losing to Bama and Clemson; they just have way more talents.
Try to be subjective and you may find a good draft pick once in awhile.

As for the other point, please check out the whole conversation in the OTA thread; it's rather long.
 
76Texan said:
Low risk high reward would be Ian Book, the winningest QB in Notre Dame history.

He only lost to powerhouses but also beat some of them.

You think Mills come back win against hohum UCLA is gutsy?
Check out Book's win against Clemson.
A true play maker and a gamer.

At no. 133 (very low 4th), he'll be in good hands with Sean Payton.
Like Brees, he's only 6'0, and fearless.

It would have been a better choice, IMO.
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Just when I thought that all this time our biggest problem was that we couldn’t beat the good teams...
 
Dejaview said:
Just when I thought that all this time our biggest problem was that we couldn’t beat the good teams...
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You only read half of the sentence.

He lost to better teams, but also WON against better teamS.

And let me add this so you can be clear.

Mills NEVER won against a better team.
 
Number19 said:
How do you define a "better" team?

In 2019, Washington was ranked 15; and in 2020, Washington was ranked 23. Mills quartered both wins.
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There are several things here:

1. I probably should have used the term "Power House" as I used to describe Book's wins.

2. The Pac-12 have a bunch of teams that Garner a certain percentage of talents in recruiting year in, year out, for the last few decades at least.
There isn't a clear advantage in term of talents between those top teams, Stanford included.

3. Within the conference, there's a lot of tradition, upsets are not uncommon (same with the other big conferences.)

4. Go back and look at the stats for those two Stanford wins, the running game was instrumental for them. The running game is a major part of Stanford's offense.

5. Teams like Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, LSU, Auburn; they all enjoy their share of wealth in recruiting that ND can't match.

6. Book is also part of ND's running game (though many of his runs were not by design; he was escaping the heat). He ended up the second leading rusher on his team anyway.
 
steelbtexan said:
How do you know Mills didn't win against better teams? So you're now a Book/King fan? LMAO
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See my post above.

I'm a Book's fan.
I think his game translate to the NFL level.
He's just a smaller guy like Brees, so he needs to learn to protect himself.

King is a similar player like Lamar, and you know I don't prefer them.
But if a team like the Ravens are willing to tailor their style to them, they can have a certain degree of success.

Just not me; I'd like a QB that can utilize all of his teammates.
 
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76Texan said:
There are several things here:

1. I probably should have used the term "Power House" as I used to describe Book's wins.

2. The Pac-12 have a bunch of teams that Garner a certain percentage of talents in recruiting year in, year out, for the last few decades at least.
There isn't a clear advantage in term of talents between those top teams, Stanford included.

3. Within the conference, there's a lot of tradition, upsets are not uncommon (same with the other big conferences.)

4. Go back and look at the stats for those two Stanford wins, the running game was instrumental for them. The running game is a major part of Stanford's offense.

5. Teams like Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, LSU, Auburn; they all enjoy their share of wealth in recruiting that ND can't match.

6. Book is also part of ND's running game (though many of his runs were not by design; he was escaping the heat). He ended up the second leading rusher on his team anyway.
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You need to go back and see how many highl rated guys were drafted out of UW in this last draft. Fact is Mills took a lesser team and beat a better team twice.

How many times has Book done this?

Notre Dame cant match the SEC in recruiting? LMAO

Notre Dame has national appeal and religious appeal to always have some of the recruiting classes in the nation. Or atleast they should have this advantage.
 
steelbtexan said:
You need to go back and see how many highl rated guys were drafted out of UW in this last draft. Fact is Mills took a lesser team and beat a better team twice.

How many times has Book done this?

Notre Dame cant match the SEC in recruiting? LMAO

Notre Dame has national appeal and religious appeal to always have some of the recruiting classes in the nation. Or atleast they should have this advantage.
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steelbtexan said:
You need to go back and see how many highl rated guys were drafted out of UW in this last draft. Fact is Mills took a lesser team and beat a better team twice.

How many times has Book done this?

Notre Dame cant match the SEC in recruiting? LMAO

Notre Dame has national appeal and religious appeal to always have some of the recruiting classes in the nation. Or atleast they should have this advantage.
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Another thing like I said, it was a team win for Stanford.

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Stanford at Washington Box Score, December 5, 2020
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38-182-3 TDs by the RBs

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40-163-1 for the RBs
The D limited UW to 13 points.
 
76Texan said:
Another thing like I said, it was a team win for Stanford.

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Stanford at Washington Box Score, December 5, 2020 | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Stanford at Washington Box Score, December 5, 2020
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38-182-3 TDs by the RBs

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Washington at Stanford Box Score, October 5, 2019 | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Washington at Stanford Box Score, October 5, 2019
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40-163-1 for the RBs
The D limited UW to 13 points.
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In those two games, Mills threw the ball 60 times with 41 completions ( 66% completion ) but most importantly, had zero interceptions. He moved the chains.

As I said in an earlier post, Stanford had a potent running offense and scored a lot of TD's, but Mills did not throw a lot of TD's, letting the RB's score.

But at the same time Stanford had a porus defense giving up a lot of points. In several games (against Washington State, Notre Dame, UCLA ) he steps up his game.

Game manager. In 2020, he threw 195 times with only 3 inteceptions.

I'm looking forward to seeing Phillip Lindsay (RB) Nico Collins (WR) and Mills.
 
Todd Blackledge beat the high powered, #1 ranked Dan Marino led Pittsburgh panthers in which Marino threw 5 INTS.
John Elway had a LOSING record at Stanford that same year and NEVER went to a bowl game his entire college career.
Therefore, Todd Blackledge should have been drafted #1 as he was a much better QB than either and played for a “powerhouse” team and beat HOF Dan Marino.
Blackledge CLEARLY was the better player than either as his pro career has proven.


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powda said:
I'll hold my breath and turn purple. You can tell me I was wrong.
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The Jags at home and the Panthers at home are very winnable. The Browns and Bill's away are loses. The Pats in Houston and Colts in Indy are likely loses.

So 2-4 is very doable. I would say likely. But if we could squeeze out a win against either the Pats or Indy, then yes, a 3-3 start is not beyond the Texans reach.
 
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Number19 said:
The Jags at home and the Panthers at home are very winnable. The Browns and Bill's away are loses. The Pats in Houston and Colts in Indy are likely loses.

So 2-4 is very doable. I would say likely. But if we could squeeze out a win against either the Pats or Indy, then yes, a 3-3 start is not beyond the Texans reach.
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Who would be the Texans QB in your scenario? Personally, I don't see the Texans winning any more than five games this upcoming season no matter who's at QB. And I would exclude Watson as playing in the NFL this season.
 
Thorn said:
Who would be the Texans QB in your scenario? Personally, I don't see the Texans winning any more than five games this upcoming season no matter who's at QB. And I would exclude Watson as playing in the NFL this season.
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I'm going to stick with the early plan and guess that Tyrod Taylor will be the Texans starter.

But my personal preference is for Mills to start against the Jags. And the Panthers. So I'd probably go ahead and have him start against the Browns. At this point I'd have a good evaluation of Mills level of play and would make a change if I felt it necessary. But this is just me. I expect the Texans to play Taylor.

I agree with the Texans not winning more than 5 games. My early guess is 3 -5.

But having said this, I'm beginning to see the possibility of the Texans having a potent rushing attack behind a much improved offensive line and RB Phillip Lindsay. In this scenario, I could see the Texans winning maybe 6 -8 games.

Also, listening to 610 this past week, I'm hearing two things about the defense. One is that the players were poorly coached last season and played out of position; and they really weren't playing up to potential.

Second, I'm hearing that the switch to a 4-3 really suits our personnel; and that Lovie Smith will get much more out of the players than last year. The Texans were at the bottom in turnovers last year and Lovie is known for aggressive defensive play creating turnovers.

And actually three things I've heard, the third being, there is no doubt that our defense will improve over last season. The question we fans would have is, how much?

So I'm beginning to see the possibility of much improved defensive play; and a strong, running offense. This combined improvement just might suggest we could be in for a surprising season. We do have an extremely tough schedule, but against the bottom tier teams ??? And Mills is the wild card in the deck.
 
If the Texans win 6 or more games this season, I'll be placing the credit more so on the coaches than the players. If the Texans actually improve themselves without the use of Watson then that will sort of lock up the discussion about how bad OB was.
 
Thorn said:
If the Texans win 6 or more games this season, I'll be placing the credit more so on the coaches than the players. If the Texans actually improve themselves without the use of Watson then that will sort of lock up the discussion about how bad OB was.
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Yes, totally agree and is what I'm hearing on sports radio. I totally shut out last season - paying no attention and not watching a single game and cutting way way back even with Texanstalk. I'm just now hearing and realizing how total the collapse was.
 
Number19 said:
The Jags at home and the Panthers at home are very winnable. The Browns and Bill's away are loses. The Pats in Houston and Colts in Indy are likely loses.

So 2-4 is very doable. I would say likely. But if we could squeeze out a win against either the Pats or Indy, then yes, a 3-3 start is not beyond the Texans reach.
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Could definitely happen. I just happen to be a cup half empty kinda guy and won't believe it till I see it.

I think instead we have a better chance of being the nfl's first 0-17 team. Think big man. The Texans are trailblazers with a chance to make history!
 
powda said:
Could definitely happen. I just happen to be a cup half empty kinda guy and won't believe it till I see it.

I think instead we have a better chance of being the nfl's first 0-17 team. Think big man. The Texans are trailblazers with a chance to make history!
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Man we’re not losing two to the league sorriest team in NFL last season.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
Man we’re not losing two the league sorriest team in NFL last season.
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Have you considered we could very easily be the leagues sorriest team this year?


I genuinely expect a few wins by accident but less wouldn't surprise me.
 
powda said:
Have you considered we could very easily be the leagues sorriest team this year?


I genuinely expect a few wins by accident but less wouldn't surprise me.
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When you are coming off a 4 - 12 season, yes it's easy to consider the possibility of another bad year. But considering the reasons for last years disaster and the steps taken to address the problems, then it's just as easy to consider the possibility of improvement.
 
76Texan said:
You only read half of the sentence.

He lost to better teams, but also WON against better teamS.

And let me add this so you can be clear.

Mills NEVER won against a better team.
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Last time I looked...a team has 11 players on the field at 1 time. So ANYONE who is saying Mills lost/won vs any team is not very bright. He can play well and throw 2 INTs. Why/how is that? Easy, ever seen a WR go left when the pattern is to cut right? Ever see a WR tip a pass? And so on. That's why Watson and his high INT rate were not very alarming to GMs. True, you can't say that he is not as good rolling out to the left I think it is (been awhile since I watched film). He threw more INTs that way than just on bad reads. Watson also will make good plays with his improv play in school. However, he also made some very stupid mistakes with it.

Bottom line is that Mills is good. How good is not known until he is under center in a live game. Keep in mind that even Manning looked dumb at times during his rookie year.
 
Number19 said:
When you are coming off a 4 - 12 season, yes it's easy to consider the possibility of another bad year. But considering the reasons for last years disaster and the steps taken to address the problems, then it's just as easy to consider the possibility of improvement.
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Or.

Subtract the qb and anticipate worse.
 
powda said:
Have you considered we could very easily be the leagues sorriest team this year?


I genuinely expect a few wins by accident but less wouldn't surprise me.
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No because I’ve seen this team bounce back unlike the Jaguars. And what’s winning by accident. Is that some type of fancy talk or wording? I mean what if the beat they Jaguars 31 to 17. Is that considered an accidental win?
 
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powda said:
Or.

Subtract the qb and anticipate worse.
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Some fans said the offense wasn’t going to look good without Hopkins. They actually played better. The defense was one of the main reasons why the team didn’t win a lot of games. Yes Watson will be missed but if we have a better running game and a decent passing game. They could win more than you think. Especially if Lovie is able to coach up the defense.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
No because I’ve seen this team bounce back unlike the Jaguars. And what’s winning by accident. Is that some type of fancy talk or wording? I mean what if the beat the Jaguars 31 to 17. Is that considered an accidental win?
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Slow down. Nobody's attacking what you believe. I happen to like t Lawrence a lot and think he'll be legit.

Right now everything is a roulette table. Your betting on red while I bet on black. It's all up in the air and neither you or I truly know sh*t.

It's all guesswork. Don't be mad.
 
powda said:
Slow down. Nobody's attacking what you believe. I happen to like t Lawrence a lot and think he'll be legit.

Right now everything is a roulette table. Your betting on red while I bet on black. It's all up in the air and neither you or I truly know sh*t.

It's all guesswork. Don't be mad.
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Can we please stop that. I was not being defensive.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Can we please stop that. I was not being defensive.
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Weren't you?

I didn't say the earth was flat. I have a glommier outlook for the team then you. That's all. You base your opinion on an improved passing game when we're losing our starting qb and an improved running game. Why should our run game be improved?

I wanna see it. Thats all.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Man we’re not losing two to the league sorriest team in NFL last season.
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I agree with you. But you have to consider we were the third worst team in the league.

But I totally agree, can’t believe our fans are so optimistic about the Jags & Jets being so much better.

1.5 home underdogs was eye opening. But that can be overcome. I don’t see this team, bad as they are, getting swept by the Jags & losing to the Jets.

Might happen. My eyes will be opened again. But right now, I just don’t see it.
 
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