Actually it is. First they said nothing happened. Then they said he was looking for massages. To wait, it was consensual. Their story keeps changing
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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson
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theCATALYST
Football Messiah
Easily explainable. Watson was fishing for additional sex partners. I guess he likes a large variety. Doesn't mean he forced himself on them, or acted out of line beyond making it readily obvious what he wanted.
No different than a guy going to the bar every weekend trying to get lucky.....only Watson has money so the chances of a money grab operation are higher.
I mean lordy....Mr.Watson didn't invent the term Happy Ending...this is something that has been around for as long as massage therapy has been.
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Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Nothing happened......as in no sexual assault happened. Also pretty much from the beginning DW4 admitted there were CONSENSUAL sex encounters during these massages. I also dont need to tell you that he in fact also could’ve recieved massages from the ladies also? Meaning both could be true..he got massages and had a sexual encounter with them.
You’re reaching...mainly b/c you’ve already convicted him in your mind.
So why use COVID as an excuse to get massages if it was really about sex? That absolutely does not add up
Again the defense does not make sense. Was it massages or about sex? They have lost ground on that
theCATALYST
Football Messiah
Maybe COVID was his excuse to his girl Jilly on why he needed so many? Maybe COVID was his initial excuse to cover his embarrassment of this going public? There are many logical reasons he could have used COVID as an excuse.
theCATALYST
Football Messiah
Some massages turn into sex...or sex acts. Some of the accusers could have easily performed these acts willingly, and then later decided a bigger pay day was in order. I am NOT saying any of them did this....only that it is a possibility.
It won’t hold up in civil court, and if it gets to criminal court it won’t hold up there either.
Yeah, but none of this has ever happened to Clooney.
Wonder what the difference might be?
Then that gets into trafficking when he flew that girl to Atlanta
theCATALYST
Football Messiah
And therein lies his defense. It's not trafficking if they where flown in to perform a massage, but later sex acts happened consensually. They will have a hard time proving they where flown in for sex.
One part of the hammer is being prepared to drop.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
Exactly, he had the info but needed confirmation. This makes me believe he had a lot more encounters. Innocent or guilty, he doesn't want to be on the Texans anymore so he is nonexistent in my book.
Yes it is trafficking because it would be under the pretense of a massage, but through coercion of sex. And, no there would not be a hard time proving they were flown in for sex when Watson was sending through texts what he wanted them to wear
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Whose to say it won’t? Weinstein, Cosby and Peter Nygard, all powerful & rich men in Hollywood and the clothing/modeling industry all got away with doing what they were doing for 15+ years before anyone spoke up. Hollywood and the modeling industry also both have histories of suppressing and threatening the careers of women who dare to speak up. & in this day and time of the cancel culture, being a playboy can get you caught up. DW4 just seemed to be an easy target...probably b/c he was somewhat naive in how he thought he could live his life.
ColeThornton
Waterboy
But doesn't it reach the point of incredulity to think he wasn't "propositioning" these women at some point?
NFL is going to hammer him hard
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
What, you think these PRO ATHLETES just sit around in the off-season and don’t workout to stay in reasonable shape or to get better? For these guys, massages are needed YEAR ROUND...Wade Smith, a slow fat o-linemen said that when he was playing he got massages twice a week in season and 1-2 times a month in the offseason...... that is if you’re serious about your craft. So COVID doesn’t change the fact that he may have needed work done just from him working out on his own to stay in shape and ready for the season.....especially a fast twitch athlete like DW4.
And as far as your “sex trafficking” claim, that’s also bogus as hell. If you ring him up for that, you may as well charge every guy in the nation whose ever had a girl flown in or went to get a girl across state lines and wound up having sex with her. What about all those big time CEO’s who are boinking their secretaries? .think all those business “work” trips are legit? Get all them too.
You’re REACHING simply b/c in your mind there’s NO WAY some or even all of these women could be flat out lying or stretching the truth for monetary gain. On the flip side of that you’re like “of course the big time athlete took advantage b/c that’s what they do”
My stance is that both situations are just as likely.
I guess you forgot about the separate masseuse from sports illustrated who wasnt suing for money. Also come back and tell me on average how many sexual assault allegations turn out to be false I’ll wait
You’re looking at the wrong thing. The number of masseuse or massages he “needed” doesn’t matter.
Did he assault these women or didn’t he? That’s the question. His defense is that these women either bragged about working with DeShaun after the “incident” or were happy to work with him afterwards, or blatantly admitted they’re lying to get money. If Hardin has the evidence to support these, I doubt a jury will side with the plaintiffs.
I’m also looking at does The DA believe they have a strong case for a grand jury. Remember, 5 plus women have gone to HPD. Bragging does not mean no one was assaulted. Hardin could be using statements from those associated with the 18 in support of Watson
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
the data on that is skewed at best simply b/c those who have money just pay to make those allegations go away...whether they’re true or not, it’s not worth their time and public image in a lot of situations to dispute it in public...in court. Buzzbee was banking on this which is why he turned up the heat in the public like he did.
The stats ALSO don’t mean that more of the claims filed AREN’T true either.
Wrong. In the beginning Watson’s team had no idea who these women were. They always stated he was looking for massages. He admitted to consensual relations with some of them from the beginning.
I think he & his team has been consistent given the circumstances.
Having no idea who they were is BS. They knew 18 who were in support of him.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
again YOU’RE WRONG. Hardin from the beginning has said that he wanted the names so as to be SURE of who he was going to be going after we’re the right people. He never stated “they had no idea” who they were. And if it’s fair game to drag DW4’s name in the mud, it should at least be fair for DW4 to know who his accusers are so that he can attack their credibility if in fact they are lying or stretching the truth or misrepresenting what actually happened. Buzzbee turned up the heat on DW4 and didn’t realize he was turning up the heat on his clients.
The woman complaining who was flown in would have to say she was flown in with the intention to be paid for sex. Otherwise it is not trafficking.
So if she was flown in for sex, it’s going to be hard to defend that she was shocked & offended when Watson exposed himself.
Don’t get this twisted. I am not saying Watson has the right to assault a woman he flew in to have sex with.
I’m saying the two stories defeat each other. If she says she came to Houston to have sex with Watson how can she be offended by seeing him naked?
If she thought she was being flown in to massage Watson & was offended that he exposed himself, it’s not trafficking.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
pretty simple really
Putting together a gran jury is one thing. That jury decides if there is enough evidence to indict.
Far as I know there’s been no indictment.
And they went to the police to file complaints which many people are overlooking. He could be facing charges
He specifically named the women. Each of the 22.
You really need to read his response
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
wrong again, I have not forgot about her..but my understanding is she’s not doing ANYTHING right now, so her allegation is just that, just an allegation.
Yes, but the DA still needs to decide to take it to a GJPutting together a gran jury is one thing. That jury decides if there is enough evidence to indict.
Far as I know there’s been no indictment.
Agree. At some point, he or his team will have to explain the number of masseuses or massages. But I can see Buzbee raising that point and Hardin rolling tape showing how many sacks and hits Watson has taken and simply say, that he was getting hit more than he has in his entire life. He was always sore and after two knee surgeries and being a quick twitch athlete, that's why he needed so many massages.
Don’t care to, read some of them. They won’t stop Watson from being liable
Which they can’t explain from March to August when there was no football
This I don’t agree with. I believe the names should have been kept out of any public documents.
Hardin could have replied, “Plantiff 4...” or “Plaintiff of case 04142356-2021HC...” or whatever.
If Hardin wants to prove he’s different, not like Buzbee, then he needs to act differently. As it is, whatever he says about Buzbee & the way Buzbee has approached this falls on deaf ears to me. I feel Hardin would have done the same so he scores no moral higround points with me.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
noone’s overlooking that bro.. but until they arrest dude, all it is a complaint...that may or may not lead to anything...I’ll go out on a limb and say it leads to nothing..it’s just the Houston police department covering their asses trying not to look like they’re not taking the complainants serious.
but of note, those complaints didn’t come until after the civil suits were filed. In my mind, if you’re that scarred about what happened to you, I want to see you doing time, screw getting money. you go after him criminally 1st, the civil suit comes 2nd. It seems like Buzzbee only urged them to file complaints to help ratchet up the pressure...Well as far as DW4 is concerned, it didn’t work. Buzzbee at this point is all out of moves. If his goal was to settle and none of the above tactics have worked to bring them to the table by now, what else can he say or do? That’s the downside of grandstanding and putting all the salacious details out so fast like he did.
& until he’s facing charges it’s as if the police do not find their complaints credible.
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texan279
Hall of Fame
So the dude is sending DM's to IG "masseuses" to focus on these specific muscles? Instead of seeking out licensed medical doctors and physicians? A guy whose money and career ride on the health of his body? All a rouse for him to get his jollies.
It’s been a month
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
that’s a fair assessment, but I don’t necessarily think he was trying to claim the moral high ground...but only to “bring the scales back to the center” like he said in his PC. Buzzbee had been going after DW4 hard in the media and if he was trying to protect these ladies like he tries to say he was, he wouldn’t have been all out on Twitter and Facebook like he was fanning the flames like he was. And imo 1 good turn deserves another. You make the claim, stand by your claim, don’t try to hide..someone’s freedom is potentially at stake.
I’m not saying it will. I’m not saying Watson is guilty. I’m not saying Watson is innocent.
Hardin released one response that addressed all 22 allegations. If he’s got evidence to support his arguments, it’s possible Watson won’t be found liable in any of these cases. No criminal charges will be brought. No civil liabilities will be awarded. Watson gets out clean.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
good luck to those masseuses claiming emotional disturbance after bragging to friends about having him as a client after the sessions they were and supposedly disturbed by. Everything you’re saying goes both ways bro...you just refuse to acknowledge that.
You’re trying to convict him for solicitation which is not on anyone’s radar. Not HPD, not the Sheriff, not the DA or AG...
this, so far, is about assault & the numbers are irrelevant.