Should we trade Watson?

[TheMatrix31]

I know it's hip to Christian-bash in society especially in 2021, but perhaps the issue is that Easterby (and Caserio) is a Patriot cast-off and not that he's a Christian.

Unless bigotry is cool again.

 

[Texian]

Well whatever they do, I wish they'd hurry up and do it. Either way, get it done and let's move forward. The Texans have stepped in an ant hill and now it's time to take their stupid foot off the anthill.

My sense is this will done sooner rather than later. Before the start of the new league, March 17th, official on that date. Teams will want to to know and be prepared for start of free agency,

• Legal tampering period: March 15th
• 2021 NFL free agency start date: March 17th

Teams will want to coordinate and plan pro days accordingly. Along with managing and making necessary changes to their salary cap.

Teams will want to set their draft boards.

Waiting until the draft compromises all of the above.

There is one caveat, we are dealing with Cal, Nick and Jack.

 

[Maverick]

Is Jimmy Johnson still on the committee? Maybe he can tell Cal this story:

That’s a great story.

 

[paycheck71]

I know it's hip to Christian-bash in society especially in 2021, but perhaps the issue is that Easterby (and Caserio) is a Patriot cast-off and not that he's a Christian.

Unless bigotry is cool again.

I don't give a sh!t about his or anyone else's faith. Cal's for that matter, too. They just need to stop f'king with my football team because of it. Keep that sh!t in your church and your home.

 

[TheMatrix31]

I don't give a sh!t about his or anyone else's faith. Cal's for that matter, too. They just need to stop f'king with my football team because of it. Keep that sh!t in your church and your home.

Seems like a lot of people give a **** and think that's why things are happening. Which is insane.

 

[Texansballer74]

I agree, the damage is done! Now, how best to move forward! The mismanagement of this franchise has been costly and the Watson situation is just another result of a bigger systemic problem! This recent situation is a result of hanging onto OB as a Coach, promoting him to GM, handicapping the Texans future by giving away the future drafts for little value in return! Add to that, the insistence on Jack Easterby holding a key role in management, further compounding the chaos and mismanagement of the franchise! This entire systemic failure to effectively manage the business has been costly!

Every Texan fan realizes the value Watson brings to the team, but on the flip side, the franchise is a business that can’t afford to allow one disgruntled, highly paid employee destroy! In every business, a disgruntled employee (especially in a key role IE; QB) is poison to the entire organization! You either recognize the poison exists and address it, or you let it continue to build, fester and spread throughout, and much later wish you had made the tough decision early and cut your losses!

Caserio and Culley should both sit down with Watson NOW, not later and talk face to face...this is a MUST DO! If it is apparent in this meeting that amends are impossible, then they should move forward with a trade for the appropriate value! With a new GM with a proven history and a new Coach with much experience, some key management positions have been filled. I would still remove Jack Easterby from his current his role to further remove all elements of the systemic problems of past! Cal should let the new GM and Coach build and manage this team and business towards success! If he wants the Texans to survive and compete, he has to STOP putting bandaids on a decade long systemic problems and expecting different and remarkable results year after year!

I believe they have reached out to him and he’s not responding.

 

[paycheck71]

Seems like a lot of people give a **** and think that's why things are happening. Which is insane.

I don't think it's insane to think that religion and maybe politics are playing a major role in this current sh!t show.

 

[Govchance]

Its not in the Texans best interest nor is it in the best interest of the other 31 owners to let him dictate his contract terms with 5 years on it and the Texans being on the hook for almost $30million in up front money.
The rest of the league does not want that precedent set. I would wager the 31 other owners are in McNairs ear telling him just that.

Think what you like but the Texans can go along way toward rebuilding their overall roster for what they can get in a trade for Watson. And they will need to do it before the draft in order to maximize their return. Watson wants out. I would wager that half the teams in the league will contact the Texans about acquiring his services!

 

[Govchance]

I believe they have reached out to him and he’s not responding.

My sense is this will done sooner rather than later. Before the start of the new league, March 17th, official on that date. Teams will want to to know and be prepared for start of free agency,

• Legal tampering period: March 15th
• 2021 NFL free agency start date: March 17th

Teams will want to coordinate and plan pro days accordingly. Along with managing and making necessary changes to their salary cap.

Teams will want to set their draft boards.

Waiting until the draft compromises all of the above.

There is one caveat, we are dealing with Cal, Nick and Jack.

i think later but before the draft.

 

[Govchance]

This makes things even more interesting. Can you imagine what Caserio will get for Watson? Plus whatever he can get for JJ. Watt. We might be in good shape.View attachment 7696

Still will be 2-3 years before they are competitive again. This team has too many holes to fill.

 

[Govchance]

Oohhh nooo..Detroit ain't got enough! No more moves just for spite LOL.

Now if Jets give my package and we offer 1.2 to Dolphins for 1.3 (plus) with stipulation that Miami must take Justin fields at 1.2 as many mocks have him rated above Zach Wilson...
Nah nowI am getting too excited.

Guys, understand he has veto power, he is not going anywhere he doesn’t want to go.

 

[paycheck71]

Guys, understand he has veto power, he is not going anywhere he doesn’t want to go.

Then maybe he doesn't go anywhere. He's got 5 years on his contract.

 

[Govchance]

when i heard that things just are not working out between watson n the texans the 1st thing i thought of was how do Chicago go get him.

Still mad af that our GM didn't pick him, ddnt even MEET with him b4 the draft n went with a guy just because he looks like him. Jeesh he missed out on Watson AND Mahommes witch really stings me wehre it hurts but whatevs now we got 2nd chance at him

so wut my understanding is re: this situation is that Watson holds all the cards and has a no-trade contract in his contract that says he basicly gets 2 pick whatever team he wants 2 go 2?

So he is big mad at texas I guess and so he could get over not being picked by Ryan Pace and go to the bears witch have like zero trade capitol which would really mess with texas (not h8ing just sayin)

another thing i read was Watson could instead of sitting out until he gets traded he could play and just stop running the ball which would force a trade n his value wud be lower after that stuff so maybe the texans just cut they're loss and move him so they can get rebuild going again?


I heard also that he might go 2 florida but florida sux besides the no taxes i mean, who wants to go to that ****ty state? bunch of meth heads and crocodiles thats who but whatevs, thats not the point of this thread

u guys think there a chance Watson comes up here 2 play for us with the gr8 defense we got?

If not wear do you think Watson goes to?

I know the team just said they aren't trading him but I don't think they have a choice from what i been hearing n reading...


let me know wut ya all think!!!

No.

 

[Govchance]

Then maybe he doesn't go anywhere. He's got 5 years on his contract.

He gone

 

[paycheck71]

He gone

Then he might have to waive his no trade clause. The Texans have him locked up for 5 years. That's a bigger trump card than his no trade clause. He either wants out or he doesn't.

 

[MeatBear77]

No.

Which question is this supposed 2 b answering?

 

[MeatBear77]

Think what you like but the Texans can go along way toward rebuilding their overall roster for what they can get in a trade for Watson. And they will need to do it before the draft in order to maximize their return. Watson wants out. I would wager that half the teams in the league will contact the Texans about acquiring his services!

i think later but before the draft.

Still will be 2-3 years before they are competitive again. This team has too many holes to fill.

Guys, understand he has veto power, he is not going anywhere he doesn’t want to go.

No.

He gone

Did u know u can multi quote into one reply so u don't make like 30 posts in a row n look like a boomer?

 

[TexansBull]

I know it's hip to Christian-bash in society especially in 2021, but perhaps the issue is that Easterby (and Caserio) is a Patriot cast-off and not that he's a Christian.

Unless bigotry is cool again.

For me it is basing decisions on personnel based on religious or political beliefs.

Hire the best person for the job based on their ability to get the job done.

 

[Govchance]

Then he might have to waive his no trade clause. The Texans have him locked up for 5 years. That's a bigger trump card than his no trade clause. He either wants out or he doesn't.

He is gone. He will more than likely tell the Texans two or three preferred teams and they will work the best deal they can get between those teams. The Jets and the Dolphins are likely choices. I read Carolina and Denver would love to have him. Also read Atlanta and Chicago. Now that Brees is likely gone, I bet New Orleans would love to have him . But it will have to be a team that has lots of draft choices and cap space.

 

[Govchance]

Did u know u can multi quote into one reply so u don't make like 30 posts in a row n look like a boomer?

I am a boomer!

 

[SnakeEyes]

You would mock me if I told you. Be patient and see.

I have heard this too. The Jets are toying with giving us Sam Darnold as well. I hear 1.2 and 1.23, a future 1st, Darnold and maybe a 2nd or 3rd this year or next. If the report is fact. That is a good deal for us. Giving us good draft capital, and I would trade 1.2 to the highest bidder. Get 3 1sts and a few 2nd and thirds this year. Fill in the holes and do NOT draft a QB. Try Darnold for 2021-2022, and then if we need to, draft a QB in 2022-2023 draft. In the meantime you have something like the following this year.

1.10
1.23
1.29
2.5
2.19
3.6

So, in 2 days we have enough picks (before our own) to fill multiple needs that we have no way to right now. And if Darnold is good...we could contend for an AFC Central title this year. I like the idea...

 

[whodknee]

I have heard this too. The Jets are toying with giving us Sam Darnold as well. I hear 1.2 and 1.23, a future 1st, Darnold and maybe a 2nd or 3rd this year or next. If the report is fact. That is a good deal for us. Giving us good draft capital, and I would trade 1.2 to the highest bidder. Get 3 1sts and a few 2nd and thirds this year. Fill in the holes and do NOT draft a QB. Try Darnold for 2021-2022, and then if we need to, draft a QB in 2022-2023 draft. In the meantime you have something like the following this year.

1.10
1.23
1.29
2.5
2.19
3.6

So, in 2 days we have enough picks (before our own) to fill multiple needs that we have no way to right now. And if Darnold is good...we could contend for an AFC Central title this year. I like the idea...

 

[whodknee]

I have heard this too. The Jets are toying with giving us Sam Darnold as well. I hear 1.2 and 1.23, a future 1st, Darnold and maybe a 2nd or 3rd this year or next. If the report is fact. That is a good deal for us. Giving us good draft capital, and I would trade 1.2 to the highest bidder. Get 3 1sts and a few 2nd and thirds this year. Fill in the holes and do NOT draft a QB. Try Darnold for 2021-2022, and then if we need to, draft a QB in 2022-2023 draft. In the meantime you have something like the following this year.

1.10
1.23
1.29
2.5
2.19
3.6

So, in 2 days we have enough picks (before our own) to fill multiple needs that we have no way to right now. And if Darnold is good...we could contend for an AFC Central title this year. I like the idea...

This year? I'll have what your drinking

 

[badboy]

Guys, understand he has veto power, he is not going anywhere he doesn’t want to go.

He is not going anywhere he wants to go unless the Texans agree.

 

[Govchance]

I have heard this too. The Jets are toying with giving us Sam Darnold as well. I hear 1.2 and 1.23, a future 1st, Darnold and maybe a 2nd or 3rd this year or next. If the report is fact. That is a good deal for us. Giving us good draft capital, and I would trade 1.2 to the highest bidder. Get 3 1sts and a few 2nd and thirds this year. Fill in the holes and do NOT draft a QB. Try Darnold for 2021-2022, and then if we need to, draft a QB in 2022-2023 draft. In the meantime you have something like the following this year.

1.10
1.23
1.29
2.5
2.19
3.6

So, in 2 days we have enough picks (before our own) to fill multiple needs that we have no way to right now. And if Darnold is good...we could contend for an AFC Central title this year. I like the idea...

This year? I'll have what your drinking

I would draft the 2nd best QB in the draft, regardless.

 

[badboy]

I have heard this too. The Jets are toying with giving us Sam Darnold as well. I hear 1.2 and 1.23, a future 1st, Darnold and maybe a 2nd or 3rd this year or next. If the report is fact. That is a good deal for us. Giving us good draft capital, and I would trade 1.2 to the highest bidder. Get 3 1sts and a few 2nd and thirds this year. Fill in the holes and do NOT draft a QB. Try Darnold for 2021-2022, and then if we need to, draft a QB in 2022-2023 draft. In the meantime you have something like the following this year.

1.10
1.23
1.29
2.5
2.19
3.6

So, in 2 days we have enough picks (before our own) to fill multiple needs that we have no way to right now. And if Darnold is good...we could contend for an AFC Central title this year. I like the idea...

I will soon be presenting my offseason mock and trade(s) that some may be interesting. There are many ways for them to go. Everyone assumes if DW leaves no matter the return, we will be lost for 3 or more seasons; not necessarily true.

 

[Govchance]

The more and more I read about Watson being disgruntled, the more and more I get the urge to see him traded. Anyone who has paid attention knows I love Watson the QB. I have defended him in numerous threads. I also think he is a bonafide top 5 QB in this league with massive potential to win it all with the right weapons.

That said, if he is truly hurt over his participation or lack thereof in the selection of a GM, then I cannot feel bad for him. If he think's the Houston franchise is insensitive where it pertains to social justice, I cannot agree with him.

If rumors are true and Miami is a likely trade partner, then I want to see it done.
Watson and Cunningham for 2021 1st (#3), 2021 2nd, 2022 1st and Tua'.
Honestly I think he just doesn’t like the direction the Texans are going in with the new GM and head coach. I love Watson as a QB also but if he is not happy here, providing you can get adequate compensation for him, let him go. I wouldn’t even be surprised if Watt didn’t tell him to get out. Why waste your career here.

This teams needs draft choices and cap space. This trade alleviates those issues, and casts off a personnel issue.
What would you like to see happen?

 

[Corrosion]

So you’re saying we won’t get any trade offers?

Didn't say that .... Just that this kinda precedent isn't good for the league.

We aren't talking about a guy with a year left on a long term deal , we're talking about a guy who won't start the deal he signed until After next season.

Worst part is how this affects the cap , about 1/6th of Watsons new money was up front in the form of a signing bonus and all of that will immediately impact the Texans cap should he be traded AND the receiving team is getting their star QB for a bargain price with that $5.5m per year reduction in his cap hit .... That's a significant advantage over the life of that contract.


And lets top it off with the fact that he's doing all this because he didn't get the unprecedented power he wanted within the franchise.

 

[Govchance]

Didn't say that .... Just that this kinda precedent isn't good for the league.

We aren't talking about a guy with a year left on a long term deal , we're talking about a guy who won't start the deal he signed until After next season.

Worst part is how this affects the cap , about 1/6th of Watsons new money was up front in the form of a signing bonus and all of that will immediately impact the Texans cap should he be traded AND the receiving team is getting their star QB for a bargain price with that $5.5m per year reduction in his cap hit .... That's a significant advantage over the life of that contract.


And lets top it off with the fact that he's doing all this because he didn't get the unprecedented power he wanted within the franchise.

Cortisone, you could be right but I thinks Watson just doesn’t care for the direction the Texans are headed in. I think he would like to play for a young creative coach with an exciting explosive offense and maybe a coach with a proven track record and the Texans offer up same old Patriot way and old school. He has already burned 4 years and it appears that with the lack of draft choices and cap space that it will be several more years before the Texans will be competitive again. As I speculated in an earlier post, I would not be surprised if Watt didn’t advise him to go on and get out.

 

[powda]

Cortisone

Lmao

 

[michaelm]

Jack's mother Betsy and his dad Jimmy have nothing to do with the Houston Texans.

I guess I wasn't clear. I meant that Easterby night need to talk to Zach Wilson's mom

 

[SnakeEyes]

Where was that reported out from besides some random guy on twitter the other day?

It's all over the net and was on 610 yesterday and today...

 

[thunderkyss]

Then he might have to waive his no trade clause. The Texans have him locked up for 5 years. That's a bigger trump card than his no trade clause. He either wants out or he doesn't.

Someone said we can ban him from team facilities & not pay him... if that's true, I can see a path forward.

But if he can do the bare minimum & be a cancer, the Texans are screwed.

Remember when Hopkins was going to hold out? Somebody must have told him there's a better way. He ended his hold out after one day & followed with an All-Pro season.

If someone can convince Watson to do the same, the future may not be so bleak. But I don't know how the Texans would handle him next offseason.

Unless it gives his chosen team time to raise the assets the Texans are looking for.

 

[SnakeEyes]

Deshaun Watson takes step in breaking up with Texans

Deshaun Watson, athlete. The disgruntled quarterback removed all Texans references and logos from his Instagram and Twitter bios. Where there once was a Texans photo, according to the Houston Chron…

www.google.com

He actually started doing this a few days ago

 

[thunderkyss]

Didn't say that .... Just that this kinda precedent isn't good for the league

I agree. But 31 teams are looking out for numero uno. Precedent or not they're going to do what they think is best for their club now & finagle the next CBA later

 

[SnakeEyes]

If this is what the starting point is. What is going to land a team Watson

Redirect Notice

 

[thunderkyss]

He has already burned 4 years and it appears that with the lack of draft choices and cap space that it will be several more years before the Texans will be competitive again. As I speculated in an earlier post, I would not be surprised if Watt didn’t advise him to go on and get out.

He's got the young innovator in Tim Kelly & Pep Hamilton to create an innovative offense for him.

& the draft pick thing is overblown. Most 1st rounders turn out to be average at best. & we have 9 picks in this draft & all seven in 2022 & beyond.

The salary cap issue can be fixed in 2021.

 

[thunderkyss]

If this is what the starting point is. What is going to land a team Watson

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This is days after saying it's never going to happen. McClain reports on news after the fact. He doesn't break info from internal sources.

 

[Corrosion]

Someone said we can ban him from team facilities & not pay him... if that's true, I can see a path forward.

They can suspend him and fine him and in some cases the guarantee's in his contract can be voided.

 

[Corrosion]

I agree. But 31 teams are looking out for numero uno. Precedent or not they're going to do what they think is best for their club now & finagle the next CBA later

One team's gonna be happy .... but 32 teams are not going to like the precedent it sets for the future of players dictating where they play , particularly with so much time on their contracts.

 

[Corrosion]

This is days after saying it's never going to happen. McClain reports on news after the fact. He doesn't break info from internal sources.

He knows whats going on inside the building .... he just toes the company line.

 

[thunderkyss]

One team's gonna be happy .... but 32 teams are not going to like the precedent it sets for the future of players dictating where they play , particularly with so much time on their contracts.

I think a lot of fans are not going to like it either. We're one step closer to doing away with the draft.

College kids can already market their "image" or whatever. Pretty soon it's going to be a bidding war with agents to get these kids.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Is Jimmy Johnson still on the committee? Maybe he can tell Cal this story:

Johnson, nor Dungy nor the others mentioned were ever on a Texans search committee. They were contacted almost superfluously to get an opinion...........they never communicated among themselves to discuss anything. Even less than a dog and pony show.

 

[Texansballer74]

Texans reportedly have hefty price in mind to start Deshaun Watson trade talks

https://sports.yahoo.com/texans-rep...art-deshaun-watson-trade-talks-014418649.html What would it take to pry Watson away from the Texans?

 

[Thorn]

Did u know u can multi quote into one reply so u don't make like 30 posts in a row n look like a boomer?

I'm a boomer. We were working on PCs when they were big as a house. I had to carry mine in the back of a pick up during hurricanes to get to school. It's OK though, I had a camper.

 

[Texansballer74]

I really hope the Texans doesn't cave to his outlandish demands. And if they do I surely hope Roger steps in and say heck no, that's not how we do business. Corrosion I told you last year these players will start trying to fo things like the NBA. Didn't think Watson would be the one pulling this crap. Like you said if he's successful, more players will do this for sure.

 

[MeatBear77]

He knows whats going on inside the building .... he just toes the company line.

I heard he fingers it lololololo

 

[SnakeEyes]

I really hope the Texans doesn't cave to his outlandish demands. And if they do I surely hope Roger steps in and say heck no, that's not how we do business. Corrosion I told you last year these players will start trying to fo things like the NBA. Didn't think Watson would be the one pulling this crap. Like you said if he's successful, more players will do this for sure.

No question, if Watson gets traded, you will see players picking GMs and HCs. And then the CBA will get involved with it. Making it possible to be traded in the event of not getting your way.

 

[mussop]

The more I think about it the more I don’t want draft picks unless it’s from the jets. I mean yeah I would want one high one this year but instead of future first round picks we should be asking for young proven studs on rookie contracts. the dolphins or the 49ers with Watson would be pretty dam good next year so those first next year most likely will be late first. Why not eliminate the gamble you take when you draft a player.



49ers get Watson, Cobb, JJ Watt and Mercilous.



Texans get

Their first and third round pick This year, Nick Bosa, George Kittle and next years first and third.





Or trade with the Jets.



NY Jets get Tunsil and Watson, Cobb and Martin and Mercilous.



We get Mekhi Becton, Quinnen Williams all their picks in the top 100.

2 -23-34-66-87



Just example. Not saying these exact trades but you get the idea. Dump off sone bad contracts ( corrosion ) eliminate taking risk by getting young highly rated and talented players on cheap contracts. If Watsons gone we should get at least two foundational players out of the deal.

 

[Mr teX]

After the stafford/Goff deal.....


I need all 6 of these joints plus the gauntlet for DW4......and I still might feel like I’m not getting what I should for him.