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Hopkins traded to Cardinals?
- Thread starter PapaL
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I’m not upset at Arizona fans. I knew y’all were getting a premier player. I’m more upset of our gm that made that trade happen. lolTrust me, I'm fully aware that the Houston fans and players got hosed on that deal.
And I wasn't coming in to be all rub-it-in, I'm just like.......the new boyfriend coming to tell you how happy she is now and she's in a safe place
egomaniac247
Practice Squad
I think you guy will be back on the scene soon. You got the equation solved at the QB position, just have to build back up around him. I know that's frustrating when you were a playoff team not so long ago.
Trust me....being a Cardinals fan, not many know what the basement feels like better than us
Trust me....being a Cardinals fan, not many know what the basement feels like better than us
whodknee
Working Class Hero
Thanks,but this was all avoidable.I think you guy will be back on the scene soon. You got the equation solved at the QB position, just have to build back up around him. I know that's frustrating when you were a playoff team not so long ago.
Trust me....being a Cardinals fan, not many know what the basement feels like better than us
banned1976
sleeper mode
But at least we have Cobb and Cooks. ‘Cus, you know, culture and all.
Michael Strahan Questions Houston Texans After DeAndre Hopkins Hail Mary Catch: ‘How Do You Trade Him?’
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Michael Strahan Questions Houston Texans After DeAndre Hopkins Hail Mary Catch: 'How Do You Trade Him?'
Fox Sports' Michael Strahan had some questions after Arizona Cardinals wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins came down with a miraculous game-winning catch.
outsider.com
Michael Strahan Questions Houston Texans After DeAndre Hopkins Hail Mary Catch: ‘How Do You Trade Him?’
Michael Strahan Questions Houston Texans After DeAndre Hopkins Hail Mary Catch: 'How Do You Trade Him?'
Fox Sports' Michael Strahan had some questions after Arizona Cardinals wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins came down with a miraculous game-winning catch.
Most of us here, and everywhere, were asking that same question long before that question yesterday
Speaking of the Baby Momma Brigade. Do we still have any posters on this forum who want to justify this trade by posting that targeting and relying on your HOF, #1 WR is a bad thing? Do you think Cardinals fans care about what percentage of targets their QB is giving Hopkins?
Watt was RS best draft pick ever.
Tell me about rds 2-7. That's where a GM builds a successful team.
This is the Hopkins thread. Not the Ricky thread. Hopkins is on pace to get targeted more than Watson ever targeted him. Tell us again, what is wrong with QBs giving Hopkins so much of the WR targets.
I'm not the poster that brought up RS.
I've also said many times I would've made Hopkins play out 1 more yr of his contract before I traded him. I dont know what else you want me to say.
He's "just another receiver".
And "you can find guys like him for a dime a dozen".
I mean no disrespect, but anyone that downplays his talent in order to somehow justify the trade is not an opinion that I value about overall football talent evaluation.
This is the deal that made me fully realize that these owners are never going to achieve anything significant on the field, especially when success for them is solely defined by revenues.
I hope Nuk breaks records, gets a ring, and points and laughs at the idiot McNairs when he's eventually inducted into the pro football HoF. I'll join his one-finger salute at the Royal Jackasses of Kirby.
People babbling about owners money like it's their own continue to amuse me.
"HoPkInS wAnTeD mOrE mOnEy!!"
Well guess what, pal, so do 1,700 other players in the NFL.
And this deal had nothing to do with money. That's just smoke screen and mirrors from a marketing department that is deflecting the true agenda of these coward owners. BS about "culture" and whatever other marketing angle they imagine is what the deal was about. It's a pathetic way to run a football team, but marketing company has to do what a marketing company has to do.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
......and folks, this is exactly why OB traded Hopkins away for nothing and some baggage. There was no room on his squad for individual show stopping plays. Like he’s just showing off for his baby momma’s....get your arse to Arizona!!!!
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
You don’t make him play out 1year and then try to trade your best WR while he’s still in his prime years. You bring the man in and tell him we’re guaranteeing the final years of your contract and tossing in a bonus for your work on the field. I think that keeps your best and one of the NFL’s best WR’s in the game in Texans colors.
I'm not giving him anymore guaranteed money but I'm making him play out his contract. If he's unhappy so be it. With the new rules about holding out Hopkins would be between a rock and a hard place.
I already made him the highest paid WR in the NFL when he signed his contract. It's not personal it's business. That money needs to be spent on the defensive side of the ball.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Your proving to be more like OB than a smart businessman. Personal feelings obstructing sound moves. Especially when the eventual but sound business move makes you the laughing stock of the NFL.
There was a time that even I mentioned moving Hopkins. Not b/c of disdain but b/c it would be a solid move to pair with a rebuild. Before his new contract or before OB became the dunce GM....Hopkins would’ve yielded a very nice return but with the dunce GM at the helm, we all saw how that turned out.
For me it's all about business. You signed a contract you play out the contract. With the new CBA Hopkins wouldn't have had much recourse. Or he would've lost alot of $$$$. It would've been his choice.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
The Texans didn’t hesitate to reward Watt for being the best on the team and in the NFL before his old contract played out. By the same token, if Watt had maintained his level of injury free play after the new contract....he too would’ve been looking for a bump and the Texans would’ve obliged.
Hopkins was that guy as well and the big difference, he didn’t get injured and his play got better. Texans offered the contract, Hopkins signed the contract....so one more time as to how guaranteeing the contract was going to be detrimental to the team?
Alot of speculation in this post.
Hopkins original contract wasn't detrimental to the team.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Neither was his second contract. Had the team recognized his solid performances and got proactive in bringing him to the table and rewarding him with the guarantee....the raise would’ve never been brought up.
Nope, just about business.
I was talking about his 2nd contract.
I would've held him to it.
No hate, just business.
Hopkins didn't have any leverage and didn't even use an agent. If he wanted to renegotiate his contract, the Texans could have simply said, we can't renew at this time, but if you find a team that would give us a #1 draft pick, we will make it happen. There were so many ways to handle this situation and they willingly took the worst option.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Thank goodness the Texans got David Johnson in the trade, otherwise they’d look stupid.
Both Rick Smith & Bill O'Brien are part and parcel of the Deandre Hopkins story of his life and times in Houston, TX.
Yea you got me there Steel.
There's a 1st time for everything. LOL
I'm really having a hard time wrapping my head around this. If they're making a kajillion dollars when they're losing, wouldn't it stand to reason they would take in threekajillion if they would win?
& why is Baker Mayfield doing Progressive commercials & Watson is doing pepper popper spots?
texanhead08
All Pro
The botching of the Hopkins deal is why you have to have a good gm and a good cap guy. If you have that you don't toss stupid money at guys like Cobb and pay Stills 7 million to be a #4 WR.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
For the Vikings maybe...for the Texans heck no! For the Bills and Cardinals would again be a no.
It's simple: It's much easier to market a product - i.e. "Houston Texans" - than it is to win pro football games.
You can create an image to sell something using a variety of methods that have been honed by marketing professionals and psychologists for decades, regardless of it is a food product, clothes, an image, and even a local team. Capitalism is based on selling us crap that we don't really need. We just perceive that we want it, and that perception is manipulated in a variety of ways.
But, putting together a front office of skilled scouts, coaches, GM, HC, etc., and winning consistently enough to be competitive against great teams is much, much more difficult.
So, Bob McNair wanted to ensure that his product was successful regardless of the actual results on the field. The former is controllable, but the latter is not.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
These dumbarses are so lost, they don't even seem to understand that the best marketing tool for any professional sports franchise is winning.
Here's one for the "HoPkInS dOeSn'T hAvE gReAt HaNdS" crowd:
Hopkins caught 115 balls in 2018 for Houston, with zero drops. Since PFF has been keeping stats on drops in 2006, no wide receiver ever had a season with 110 receptions or more with zero drops. So, in training camp last year, I asked Hopkins about the secret of his hands.
“My brother and I used to watch a lot of Jet Li movies, so we used to always do quick things like kickboxing or catching things with our hands,” Hopkins said. “One thing I remember we always used to do—we always used to catch flies with our hands. I was the only one that could catch them. I actually studied it, and I grew with it. I was like, ‘How do I catch flies?’ Flies always fly up. I would always just hit over it. And I thought: If I can catch flies, I know I can catch anything.”
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Hopkins caught 115 balls in 2018 for Houston, with zero drops. Since PFF has been keeping stats on drops in 2006, no wide receiver ever had a season with 110 receptions or more with zero drops. So, in training camp last year, I asked Hopkins about the secret of his hands.
“My brother and I used to watch a lot of Jet Li movies, so we used to always do quick things like kickboxing or catching things with our hands,” Hopkins said. “One thing I remember we always used to do—we always used to catch flies with our hands. I was the only one that could catch them. I actually studied it, and I grew with it. I was like, ‘How do I catch flies?’ Flies always fly up. I would always just hit over it. And I thought: If I can catch flies, I know I can catch anything.”
Source
PapaL
Loose Screw
Caught some baby mamas but couldn’t catch feeling for me.
-Bill O’Brien
GM Extraordinaire
AFC South Champion
Yelled at Brady
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If he would have put a glove on it like he does his hands, I wouldn't have to talk to him about his baby mamas.
-Bill O’Brien
GM Extraordinaire
Dilbert Engineer / Noted Tinkerer
AFC South Champion
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Based on a recent interview with the Cardinals GM, it appears the Hopkins deal was made two weeks after the loss to the Chiefs and wasn't announced until weeks later. Based on that timing, they didn't sign Hyde because they knew Johnson was on the way and by the time the Bills were ready to shop for a WR, the Texans had already made the trade with the Cardinals.
Take it for what it's worth.
Take it for what it's worth.
Decim8
Veteran
Still can't believe they actually complained about that
Well, they didn't. Not really. It was something someone said after the fact. That it might be slowing Watson's ability to progress as a pure passer.Still can't believe they actually complained about that
No one (that I know of) mentioned it as a problem before the trade.
You're being kind. It was more than that. It was used as a criticism that Watson was targeting Hopkins too much. They refused to acknowledge that Watson was targeting Hopkins fewer than other Texans' QBs. They refused to acknowledge that Hopkins' targets were on par with all the great WR1s. They used it as a justification of the trade and to criticize Watson.
True.
But to say it was something they, "complained" about is a little misleading. As if they wanted to trade him. Far as I know no one here wanted him gone.