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OptimisticTexan said:
Read it....it's all there for you to walk away with whatever impression you want. I'm a 3rd party source and my view of the information may not be the same as another reader. when you've looked into it and formed your own opinion then a discussion s fair.
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Read what?
 
Texian said:
For anyone who has not been a GM, Wolf's resume is at the top of the class.
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He's certainly spoken highly of and has had a good run of titles in the league, particularly for his age.

But the question was about his supposed 'eye for talent' and whether or not there was any actual record of it that anyone could point to and examine.
 
Thorn said:
After reading the article, there's something about this whole thing that just doesn't smell right. What I do think I smell is misinformation. A sort of smell we all seem to have been getting used to lately.
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Sounds like a PR stunt. Either that or I'm guessing Janice may have gotten involved and called Goodell to ask if he could help out her son, Cal.
 
Mollywhopper said:
He's certainly spoken highly of and has had a good run of titles in the league, particularly for his age.

But the question was about his supposed 'eye for talent' and whether or not there was any actual record of it that anyone could point to and examine.
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You could look at his 10 years with the Packers and extrapolate talent from the Green Bay drafts. He was Asst GM for Cleveland in 2018 - 2019 so there is that draft you could judge. Then there is the time where he spent much of his childhood writing up player profiles for his Hall of Fame GM Dad to grade. There is also several videos of Wolf discussing the draft, players and why they drafted them that you can peruse.

(89) Eliot Wolf live in studio | Cleveland Browns Daily - YouTube
 
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Texian said:
You could look at his 10 years with the Packers and extrapolate talent from the Green Bay drafts. He was Asst GM for Cleveland in 2018 - 2019 so there is that draft you could judge. Then there is the time where he spent much of his childhood writing up player profiles for his Hall of Fame GM Dad to grade. There is also several videos of Wolf discussing the draft, players and why they drafted them that you can peruse.
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I can look at GB or Cleveland drafts and not really know who had what amount of final say or influence in the decision making.

And I'm not going to look at a grown man's childhood player profiles he gave to his dad in evaluating his candidacy.

As for the videos I'd be perfectly happy to view them, got a link?
 
Texian said:
You could look at his 10 years with the Packers and extrapolate talent from the Green Bay drafts. He was Asst GM for Cleveland in 2018 - 2019 so there is that draft you could judge. Then there is the time where he spent much of his childhood writing up player profiles for his Hall of Fame GM Dad to grade. There is also several videos of Wolf discussing the draft, players and why they drafted them that you can peruse.
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So the question then is why has he not been tapped by other organizations to be THE guy by now? If his eye for talent is that good and he’s got this great track record, I have to believe that someone would’ve paid him top dollar to be a GM, not an assistant GM, not VP of player personnel or some other title that he has held.

His name came up on these boards during the last regime change as a guy that could/should potentially replace Smith. I suppose there was the outside possibility that he’s largely been overlooked as a GM candidate b/c he’s young or some other nonsensical reason. But with the hiring of guys like Brett Veach in KC and Sean McVay/Les Snead before him, that ship should’ve sailed at least 3-4 years ago and someone should’ve came knocking’. Well, here it is 6 years later, he still has not been handed the keys by some other organization & it doesn’t appear any team is breaking down his door to give him those keys either.

He appears to be in the same boat as Gaine was before we offered him the GM gig here.
 
amazing80 said:
Why does where they are from matter? What is it with people from Texas with their affinity for themselves and the state
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lol, Texas has a rich history of independence that’s a source of pride down in these parts. Although every state can do it, Texas is 1 of Only a few other states that has a credible case for flying its flag at the same height as the US flag.

We just do **** differently down here. Some of it is bad, but there’s a lot of good in that too.
 
Texian said:
Sounds like a PR stunt. Either that or I'm guessing Janice may have gotten involved and called Goodell to ask if he could help out her son, Cal.
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Where do you come up with this stuff? There is zero evidence that anyone has done this and even if they were going to call someone why the hell would they call Goodell of all people? No seriously why would they call him most don't even think he's doing that good a job as commissioner, see all the problems the NFL as a whole has had over the last 5 years, so why would they ask his advice on what to have for lunch never mind who the GM should be.
 
Mr teX said:
So the question then is why has he not been tapped by other organizations to be THE guy by now? If his eye for talent is that good and he’s got this great track record, I have to believe that someone would’ve paid him top dollar to be a GM, not an assistant GM, not VP of player personnel or some other title that he has held.

His name came up on these boards during the last regime change as a guy that could/should potentially replace Smith. I suppose there was the outside possibility that he’s largely been overlooked as a GM candidate b/c he’s young or some other nonsensical reason. But with the hiring of guys like Brett Veach in KC and Sean McVay/Les Snead before him, that ship should’ve sailed at least 3-4 years ago and someone should’ve came knocking’. Well, here it is 6 years later, he still has not been handed the keys by some other organization & it doesn’t appear any team is breaking down his door to give him those keys either.

He appears to be in the same boat as Gaine was before we offered him the GM gig here.
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To be fair Eliot has turned down a few GM offers much like Eric DeCosta did. Rumor has it Green Bay thought Eliot was still a bit young to be a GM. John Dorsey, Cleveland GM wasted no time in snapping up Wolf as his asst GM. Cleveland cleaned house again deciding to go with analytics evaluation. Belichick thought enough of him to bring him in as a consultant.
 
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Mangler said:
Most of the league is now a strong believer of Eric Bieniemy. Doesn’t mean Watson or any other QB, for that matter, is pounding the table for him. Watson has never demanded that his next HC must be, and only be a minority, as some here have baselessly claimed. There sure are some goofy MFrs up in here, lol.
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I doubt race has anything to do with Watson wanting Bieniemy here. I think it has everything to do with Deshaun seeing the offensive schemes that Mahomes is running and wants something similar. That's about as Occam's razor as it gets.

And because Watson (and his LT) are the only enticing aspects of a coaching job in H-town, I think it's fair to consider his perspective as an owner. He is the franchise QB, and it only makes sense to at least get his thoughts on the matter.
 
maverick512000 said:
Where do you come up with this stuff? There is zero evidence that anyone has done this and even if they were going to call someone why the hell would they call Goodell of all people? No seriously why would they call him most don't even think he's doing that good a job as commissioner, see all the problems the NFL as a whole has had over the last 5 years, so why would they ask his advice on what to have for lunch never mind who the GM should be.
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Why I said I was GUESSING. There is also zero evidence that someone has not. Is this plausible? YES! Never said this is what happened! AND Janice is the team owner so there is evidence to suggest it is highly reasonable to think that she like all other team owners do talk with the league office regularly. I'm also not sure everyone shares your opinion of the NFL commissioner.
 
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Mollywhopper said:
I can look at GB or Cleveland drafts and not really know who had what amount of final say or influence in the decision making.

And I'm not going to look at a grown man's childhood player profiles he gave to his dad in evaluating his candidacy.

As for the videos I'd be perfectly happy to view them, got a link?
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You asked a question and I offered up some ideas. OK so you don't like like work history and not a fan of children of legends. I happen to like kids who follow and learn from parents who are legends like Belichick, Saban, Manning, Elway etc. I attached a video link but here is another, my DuckDuckGo is working fine :). :

Eliot Wolf at DuckDuckGo
 
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Texian said:
You asked a question and I offered up some ideas. OK so you don't like like work history and not a fan of children of legends. I happen to like kids who follow and learn from parents who are legends like Belichick, Saban, Manning, Elway etc. I attached a video link but here is another, my DuckDuckGo is working fine:

Eliot Wolf at DuckDuckGo
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Where did I say I don't like work history?

And children of legends can be a plus, but more often than not goes the other way. If I listed all the children from successful parents who didn't amount to squat it would jam the server, it's cool that you have four. I'd prefer to see what they've actually done on their own anyway. Imagine that, huh?

I'll try and check some of those vids out soon. Hopefully they give an insight into his eye for talent, as that's all this was all about to begin with. Not his job titles or his parent's accomplishments.
 
Double Barrel said:
I doubt race has anything to do with Watson wanting Bieniemy here. I think it has everything to do with Deshaun seeing the offensive schemes that Mahomes is running and wants something similar. That's about as Occam's razor as it gets.

And because Watson (and his LT) are the only enticing aspects of a coaching job in H-town, I think it's fair to consider his perspective as an owner. He is the franchise QB, and it only makes sense to at least get his thoughts on the matter.
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Every superstar or face of the organization has a say into quite a bit. Look at L. James, everywhere he goes he hand picks or help orchestrates these super teams.
Watson is in a unique situation in which the OWNER asked for his input.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Every superstar or face of the organization has a say into quite a bit. Look at L. James, everywhere he goes he hand picks or help orchestrates these super teams.
Watson is in a unique situation in which the OWNER asked for his input.
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If you drop 160 million on a player and say he is the face of the franchise you damn well better get his input on who will be coaching him. You don't let him hand pick, because then you end up like Cleveland last year, but you also don't want him clashing with the coach, because then you end up like GB with Rodgers and McCarthy.
 
Texian said:
To be fair Eliot is has turned down a few GM offers much like Eric DeCosta did. Rumor has it Green Bay thought Eliot was still a bit young to be a GM. John Dorsey, Cleveland GM wasted no time in snapping up Wolf as his asst GM. Cleveland cleaned house again deciding to go with analytics evaluation. Belichick thought enough of him to bring him in as a consultant.
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did HE, turn the offers down, or did the orgs turn him down.

& Belichick thought enough of a lot of guys to bring in as consultants...we have our very own former “consultant” of Belichick here now that no one wants around lol.
 
Mr teX said:
did HE, turn the offers down, or did the orgs turn him down.

& Belichick thought enough of a lot of guys to bring in as consultants...we have our very own former “consultant” of Belichick here now that no one wants around lol.
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Like Eric DeCosta, Eliot Wolf TURNED THEM down. Say no to dumpster fires. As a GM you usually only get one chance.
 
Texian said:
Like Eric DeCosta, Eliot Wolf TURNED THEM down. Say no to dumpster fires. As a GM you usually only get one chance.
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So why would Wolf want this GM job. This organization is by all accounts "dumpster fire". Is he that good that you think he can turn it around? And if he came in here and did that I'm going to assume that he could hand pick a GM job after that?
If he took this job, how many years do you think it would take for the Texans to be "every year" serious contenders? 4? 5?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The selection process could have all been carried out in the privacy of the FO. I'm surprised that people don't realize this approach of having a highly publicized "committee" is just another way that the Texans brain trust can deflect direct responsibility should things go south.
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I read it as a CYA to earlier snafu of Cal, Easterby, McClain and Watson having the only seats at the search committee table.
 
Texian said:
Like Eric DeCosta, Eliot Wolf TURNED THEM down. Say no to dumpster fires. As a GM you usually only get one chance.
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Lol.good organizations don’t generally have GM gigs come open so that seems like a pretty dumb philosophy. Chances are if the GM job is open, the team/organization is a dumpster fire.

and you only get 1 chance if you’re horrible. If you’re even mediocore, you can definitely get another shot. Sounds like your boy just isn’t confident in his skills as you apparently are.
 
Mr teX said:
Lol.good organizations don’t generally have GM gigs come open so that seems like a pretty dumb philosophy. Chances are if the GM job is open, the team/organization is a dumpster fire.

and you only get 1 chance if you’re horrible. If you’re even mediocore, you can definitely get another shot. Sounds like your boy just isn’t confident in his skills as you apparently are.
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Not really. Most general managers never get another shot in the NFL:

NFL general managers rarely get the second chances they deserve

Almost 85 percent of the top personnel decision-makers for NFL teams are holding their positions for the first time — and what will likely be their only time — wielding such power, per OPTA research commissioned by Sporting News.

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Its true that GMs rarely get a second chance but it is equally true that good teams that are serious contenders very rarely have a GM job open up and when they do the out going GM usually hand picks their successor. This idea that he doesn't want anything to do with a dumpster fire says to me he doesn't actually want to be a GM or he isn't willing to risk looking bad after he has been talked up all these years. If you really want the job and think you can do it then when the chance comes up you grab it. Also most orgs aren't going to just give the keys to the kingdom without restrictions to a first time GM. So in that regard Texans are very desirable in that they seem to let a GM do what he wants and then just deal with the fallout.
 
maverick512000 said:
If you drop 160 million on a player and say he is the face of the franchise you damn well better get his input on who will be coaching him. You don't let him hand pick, because then you end up like Cleveland last year, but you also don't want him clashing with the coach, because then you end up like GB with Rodgers and McCarthy.
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Exactly
 
Double Barrel said:
I doubt race has anything to do with Watson wanting Bieniemy here. I think it has everything to do with Deshaun seeing the offensive schemes that Mahomes is running and wants something similar. That's about as Occam's razor as it gets.

And because Watson (and his LT) are the only enticing aspects of a coaching job in H-town, I think it's fair to consider his perspective as an owner. He is the franchise QB, and it only makes sense to at least get his thoughts on the matter.
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plus, Watson and Mahomes are close friends and Mahomes has openly stated that Bienemy should be a HC. You have to know that he and Watson have discussed it extensively
 
austins23 said:
So why would Wolf want this GM job. This organization is by all accounts "dumpster fire". Is he that good that you think he can turn it around? And if he came in here and did that I'm going to assume that he could hand pick a GM job after that?
If he took this job, how many years do you think it would take for the Texans to be "every year" serious contenders? 4? 5?
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Good Point, I'm not sure he would want the Texans GM job. It is a dumpster fire and a potential career ender. I don't know how well he would do but I do feel confident he could do a better job than anyone else who has been here in that position. I believe he operates with a 4 or 5 year business plan instead of a 1 year plan with lots of band aids. In his draft interviews he talks about adding solid depth. That is something the Texans are not familiar with. If he did come in and put out the dumpster fire and improved the team overall, he could go on to another job. If he crashes and burns regardless of owner meddling or and uncooperative HC he's likely a scout or director for the rest of his career. To become a serious contender? 3 - 4 years. All IMHO of course.
 
maverick512000 said:
Its true that GMs rarely get a second chance but it is equally true that good teams that are serious contenders very rarely have a GM job open up and when they do the out going GM usually hand picks their successor. This idea that he doesn't want anything to do with a dumpster fire says to me he doesn't actually want to be a GM or he isn't willing to risk looking bad after he has been talked up all these years. If you really want the job and think you can do it then when the chance comes up you grab it. Also most orgs aren't going to just give the keys to the kingdom without restrictions to a first time GM. So in that regard Texans are very desirable in that they seem to let a GM do what he wants and then just deal with the fallout.
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There are teams were ownership has been absolutely terrible and somewhat embarrassing for 20 to 30 years. I'm sure you can think of few where you would not want to waste any years knowing the owner is a train wreck.
 
TexansFight said:
Texian has been floating Eliot Wolf’s name since at least 2013. I would love for him to come here
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My gut feeling is telling me that Nick Casserio is going to be the next Texans GM and Eliot Wolf will be moved into the Casserio position with the Patriots provided he doesn't get an offer to become a GM he will accept. My guess is this was Belichick's thinking and planning when he hired Eliot. Of course my Texans Dream Team would be Urban Meyer as HC and Eliot Wolf as GM. I think we can file that under wishful thinking. I see Casserio as unfinished business for the Texans.
 
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Texian said:
This is so out of character and not normal operating behavior for the Texans, I wonder if somehow, someway the NFL league office didn't intervene to help out poor Cal. Did Janice put in a call to Roger Goodell to help her son in this difficult situation? Is this a sign the Texans might be gearing up to be sold?
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I think it's a huge leap of logic to think this is a sign that the Texans will be sold.
On the other hand, the names on the list look every bit as much of an ownership group as they do search committee
 
michaelm said:
I think it's a huge leap of logic to think this is a sign that the Texans will be sold.
On the other hand, the names on the list look every bit as much of an ownership group as they do search committee
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After further review I think this is nothing more than a CYA after SNAFU comments that Cal, Easterby, McClain and Watson would be the search committee.
 
Texian said:
My gut feeling is telling me that Nick Casserio is going to be the next Texans GM and Eliot Wolf will be moved into the Casserio position with the Patriots provided he doesn't get an offer to become a GM he will accept. My guess is this was Belichick's thinking and planning when he hired Eliot. Of course my Texans Dream Team would be Urban Meyer as HC and Eliot Wolf as GM. I think we can file that under wishful thinking. I see Casserio as unfinished business for the Texans.
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I sure hope not
 
Texian said:
Good Point, I'm not sure he would want the Texans GM job. It is a dumpster fire and a potential career ender. I don't know how well he would do but I do feel confident he could do a better job than anyone else who has been here in that position. I believe he operates with a 4 or 5 year business plan instead of a 1 year plan with lots of band aids. In his draft interviews he talks about adding solid depth. That is something the Texans are not familiar with. If he did come in and put out the dumpster fire and improved the team overall, he could go on to another job. If he crashes and burns regardless of owner meddling or and uncooperative HC he's likely a scout or director for the rest of his career. To become a serious contender? 3 - 4 years. All IMHO of course.
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Thanks for the reply
 
Thorn said:
It doesn't matter who they pick, half the people who are following all this aren't going to like it anyway. Honestly, I don't know enough or care enough to follow all the candidates so whoever the hell they hire I'll just wait on them for next season. Which is all we can do anyway, to see what sort of team the new administration can scrape together with free agents and low draft picks. Hopefully it's enough to help our franchise QB do his job.

They offered me the job, but I turned it down on account of it sounded like it was going to be actual real work. And I don't want anything to do with that kind of sh!t.
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This is a stretch of the truth. You told us you didn't want to take a pay cut, and then refused to rub mother McNair's swollen cankles.
Signed, :mcclain:
Mangler said:
Most of the league is now a strong believer of Eric Bieniemy. Doesn’t mean Watson or any other QB, for that matter, is pounding the table for him. Watson has never demanded that his next HC must be, and only be a minority, as some here have baselessly claimed. There sure are some goofy MFrs up in here, lol.
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Maybe you should try unclenching your buttocks and releasing the unfortunate souls???
Poor gerbils....
:kitten:
 
Mollywhopper said:
You're saying he has this eye for talent.. so what is the evidence of it?
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Research, read and post opinion.....then I'll read your assessment and add an emoji to indicate my feelings. I wrote a very nice post about Eliot Wolf maybe a season or two back and if you wish, you may start there....if you don't like my 3rd party opinion, please post your personal opinion when you have time. My emoji trigger finger is eagerly awaiting your input.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Research, read and post opinion.....then I'll read your assessment and add an emoji to indicate my feelings. I wrote a very nice post about Eliot Wolf maybe a season or two back and if you wish, you may start there....if you don't like my 3rd party opinion, please post your personal opinion when you have time. My emoji trigger finger is eagerly awaiting your input.
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I'll post my research when I assert a claim, as is standard.

All I asked is for you to do the same.

And if you can't just say so. It's ok.
 
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