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The all encompassing DW4 good plays thread
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Based on what do you make this observation? Since 2017, Rodgers and the Packers are 6-12-1 against top defenses. Even this year, he is 1-2 with losses to Bucs and the Colts.
Bruce Arians is right about Tom Brady; Packers feel like pretenders (nfl.com)
I guess you haven't seen Rodgers tear up the Bears defenses for yrs.
Texansballer74
The Marine
That was a beautiful play design followed by a gorgeous execution.
A quick look to the opposite side to move the safety as well.
Jadmakaveli
Veteran
Haters gone hate!!
Texansballer74
The Marine
We have a generational talent right here in Houston. Those select few should appreciate verses always trying to be very critical and negative. We could easily be stuck with the mediocrity crap we had before Watson.
Generational?
LMAO
Mediocrity hasn't changed since DW4 became the QB.
I remember a time when the theme around here was we're only a QB away.
Just like the above this was another false narrative put out by the Texans PR dept.
That was a long time ago
Less than 4 yrs ago.
Texansballer74
The Marine
This is breaking and setting records. How come,
NVM
Dallas Texans and Speedy are 100% spot on.
Didn't take long for OB to demolish the team
Texansballer74
The Marine
It gets no better than this. Good post
Unbiased, outside observer is begging people to watch Watson. TT poster, "naw, I'm good".
Still looking for those % from you.
They still aren't any better today with the Savior at QB.
BTW, Ricky let quite a few of those guys go while he was still GM. It must really bother you that despite his politicking he still cant get another job in the NFL. Ever ask yourself why this could be?
Honest question, how is any of that different than when BO’b was here?
I guess you never worked with a micromanager before.
Texansballer74
The Marine
You can see he has more freedom and he’s playing more relaxed.
I’m looking at it objectively. Nothing in that Twitter video was new.
Texansballer74
The Marine
His accuracy in that video showed improvement. He was throwing with anticipation. He is playing with a lot more confidence. Early on he was struggling with all of that.
So how is any of that O’Briens fault?
Early in the season, it seemed like the WRs and Watson were not on the same page. In fact, Romeo mentioned WRs were not where Watson expected. As a result, you saw some of the same plays, but they were not as consistent, frequent or as decisive as it is now.
So the problem was the receivers & not O’Brien?
Texansballer74
The Marine
He wasn’t putting him in position to be successful. He wasn’t coaching the young man up. He’s not in a toxic environment like he was under O’Brien. Do you not see how easy it is for Mahomas? Andy Reid has made the game that much easier for him and that ball club. He’s actually teaching him how to run his offense. He’s built a a very good offensive team around him. He’s actually developed his offensive linemen to play in his system.
Has Rick been trying time after time to get another nfl job?
I wouldn’t go that far. This is speculation on my part, but maybe without O’Brien micro managing, Kelly is more open to feedback from the veteran WRs on the team. Cobb was openly critical of the scheme And calling for quicker passes and routes.
Maybe Kelly is calling fewer deep routes, quicker passes. Maybe fewer option routes. More empty sets. More combination routes. More formations. Doing a better job getting Watson in rhythm. Quicker to abandon the run. Maybe O’Brien underestimated how long it would take for the offense to gel and the combination of new personnel and a tough schedule led to inconsistencies.
We are not privy to all that was going on, but all you have to do is look at the stats from the games with O’Brien versus without and except for the run blocking, they are playing with more consistency. Coaching has impacted that consistency.
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Great point. I believe the only job we heard of him pursuing was the Washington job, but they decided to give Rivera control of personnel.
As usual, we have a statement without any context. To your question, I would also add how many GM jobs were even available AFTER his wife died that he would have tried and tried to get one of them
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Are you saying Tim Kelly has done all this in six weeks?
It’s probably going to take some deep study, but the formations look the same. Off the top of my head, more empty.
I’m definitely not seeing more “quick game” last two weeks at least, Watson is holding the ball as long as he ever has,just as many deep routes, he just has the time to do it now. Protection is holding up better.
I’m still not seeing bunch & stacked formations being used to our advantage or crossing routes and natural picks.
I am seeing RBs used in the passing game more.
I’m thinking this is probably the biggest help. Just trying to figure out how he is getting him into rhythm as the play calling seems very similar. A bunch of small differences here & there, but you can tell Kelly is O’Briens boy.
Or the rebellion started earlier than we thought. Maybe Cooks & Cobb never bought in to O’Briens philosophy. There’s definitely a different “energy” but it’s hard to quantify.
Maybe. I’m just looking for evidence.
I am seeing a lot more YAC & I’m trying to figure out where that’s coming from. Like I said I don’t think it’s coming from picks & proper use of bunch formations. But the field is starting to look a lot bigger when we’re on offense. I think that’s gotta be from better route combinations, where the routes draw the defenders away from each other.
I’m very impressed with what the offense has done lately. But it looks like lack of an off-season was more the problem than O’Brien was.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Yes . The offense looks much better in the passing gameplay
I think you are onto something here. The lack of a real offseason was a big factor particularly with the passing game bringing in two new WR's in Cooks & Cobb.
Other than the results , nothing else has really changed , they are running the exact same plays in the exact same scheme.
Pass blocking has been better & Watson has taken off before fit hits the shan which has cut sack numbers.
Quality of opponent likely has something to do with the result too .... The first half of the schedule was brutal - particularly the first three games. Those three teams have a combined winning percentage of .833 today.
Losing to the Vikings was unfortunate , they are fairly equal .... then there's the Titans who are coming off an AFC title game appearance and Green Bay is always a tough opponent.
The teams the Texans lost to are all really good , they have a combined winning percentage of .714.
The combined winning percentage of the three teams they have beaten in the last four games is .312. The winning percentage of the 4 teams they have beaten so far is .261.
They have not beaten a team .500 or better this season. Of the games against .500 or worse teams , their only loss is to the Vikings.
I'd say lets see how they fare against the Colts this weekend .... but they have a built in excuse with the losses of WFV and Roby for the duration.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
I love Watson but calling him a generational talent while Mahomes is destroying the league is a stretch in my opinion.
Texansballer74
The Marine
No it’s not. This youngster is putting up these type of numbers while playing with a terrible oline and no running game. He also do not have the weapons like Pat. Nor does he has the offensive guru/mind. Put Pat in this offense and he wouldn’t be looking all shiny and bright.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
The offense, the routes, the design, are all still crap. The bolded is the main difference. Actually having time to scan the field for a change is huge. Not having defenders breathing down your neck at the snap of the ball is something. Timing is better, throwing receivers open is better, waiting for the receivers to get open on these crappy routes, etc and so forth.
The big question is how did the pass pro get that much better? They’ve gone from 4 sacks per game the first 4 games, to 1.7 per since. Have the 7 teams they’ve played since, all been that crappy rushing the passer? Did OB have such an iron rule that coaches were afraid to coach to their abilities?
Whatever it is, that’s been the biggest difference since OB has been gone. And it proves that if you get this man a decent o-line, he’s going to be dangerous. And then just imagine him getting a running game on top of that.
Quality of opponent combined with the lack of an offseason definitely played a part. O'Brien knew the impact because it's one of the reasons he didn't want to rely on rookies. However, he underestimate how the lack of OTAs would impact the OL, Cobb and Cooks. Then you have veterans like Cooks and Cobb who have been in successful offensive systems and started questioning the play calling and game plans.
Regarding "quality of opponent", at one point, BOB was 16-31 against .500 or better teams. His coaching, scheme, play calling, and game day decisions always got exposed against better teams. So, no surprise with the COVID environment, new players and OL struggling leading to the 0-4 start.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Would Mahomes still be tearing up the league had he been in Watson's cleats since 2017?
Mangler
Toro de España
F uck no!
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Funny.....some folks on this board figure this championship quality organization and team was only a Mahomes away from putting a Lombardi Trophy in that empty glass cabinet on Kirby. Just a ducking head scratcher!!!
Texansballer74
The Marine
Yes sir pretty darn comical. I listen to the entire universe praising and singing Mahomas the greatest talent to ever grace the earth. Yes he’s a bad boy, but he has it so freakin easy in KC.
Generational talents can't use this excuse.
I believe yes.
I sure would have liked to have been able to see. Another fine job by the Texans scouting dept and former GM.
The lost decade
Well getting to play with him vs against him, what would you rather do. BTW, I never said Mahomes was the difference between winning or not winning a championship, although he would increase the odds of winning a championship.
But you've implied the hell outta it
Nope,
What I've said is the truth some posters just dont like what I'm saying.
Mahomes is a generational talent and DW4 isn't a generational talent. Sorry it's not my fault DW4's an avg to slightly above avg talent and Mahomes is early in a HOF type career IF he can stay healthy.
Nice try at attempting to portray this conversation the way you did. You wont find a post where I said if Mahomes was on the Texans they would be SB winners. What I will say is if the Texans had drafted Mahomes they would stand a better chance of winning a SB with Mahomes than without Mahomes.
What makes you think that your opinion stinks any less than any others?