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Rebuilding this team

steelbtexan said:
I'm trying to get a coverage LB, S, RB out of this draft.

I'm hoping Heck can play RT Scharping RG Fulton C Howard LG Tunsil LT.
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I would try that lineup. Alabama's center Landon Dickerson 6'5" 345 is manhandling that position since transferring in. A strong brute just cannot be moved in a high scoring offense with a dynamic QB. Tall for NFL center he is no detriment to a Watson similar size field General. He can be had with one of our 4s and allow team to move on from Fulton sooner than later.

Not sure of any coverage LB being there .
Research Oklahoma's running back Rhamondre Stevenson 6' 232 suspended for pot with two others end of 2019 season. Suspended by NCAA for stupidity of a stupid rule for half a season. 2020 now a ten game season, he should be eligible to return next game. 2019 in only 64 snaps had six Tds and 515 yards at 8.0 per carry.
Can be had fifth round and maybe later.

3. Best WR hoping for LSU Terrace Marshall
4.a Memphis RB Kenny Gainfields 191 pounds 4.37 great with rock in his hands anyway he gets it. Check his stats. Covid opt out should drop his ranking.
4b center Landon Dickerson or best corner. Conley may surprise and be back here.
5. RB Stevenson

I'm hoping we have at least another 3rd and maybe a 4th to utilize due to trades.
 
badboy said:
Not arguing just thinking out loud. Get what you can for last three, I agree. Howard's a first round who might be rehabilitated with Dallas, might bring you their round two which I have now as top 40 or their two 3rds 2021.

Dallas need oline NOW and Jones will not be made a fool of as long as Cal McNair was. I expect McCarthy to be fired after losing to the Washington whatcha macallits 25-3 Monday. Texans not going anywhere but Jerry needs to make a statement with new coach and doing something with Oline.

Play 'em like your holding high cards.
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I get it but you’re also creating more holes to fill with very limited resources. Getting a third back for Howard does nothing to help replace him.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Man most of the fan base I know says they need to do Watt a solid. Meaning trade him to a team that would give him the best chance to win a SB. Some believe this was his last game as a Texan.

The media have been pushing a trade to either Green Bay or Pittsburgh.


I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s trade during the bi-week.

We are already in an uproar. Lol
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I hope they give us Diontae Johnson in return lol.
 
Corrosion said:
Watt's cap hit for this season is 15.5m

Only 10 teams have that much cap space available.

Only two of those 10 are .500 and above - Cleveland 4-2 and Miami 3-3.
Three teams are 1 game under .500 Denver , Detroit and NE.
The rest of those teams with cap space likely have no interest in taking on salary and giving up assets being multiple games below .500

Pittsburgh has $9,712,833
Green Bay has $8,518,601
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So the Texans would have to take on some of Watt’s pro-rated salary? Ala the Clowney trade?
 
badboy said:
Well you should care, for example no reason for McKinney to restructure and if you cut him his cap increases now from $6 m to more than 8. Again I agree with your premise we just need to not cut off our nose to spite our face.
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No reason for him to restructure other than him being out of a job...sure he’s get picked up, but coming off injury and being an antiquated 2 down ILB, he likely wouldn’t get very good offers much less anything close to what he was getting here or what he would get with a restructure.


Aside from that, If the goal is as quick a turnaround as possible then the cap hit would be worth the short term pain.
 
steelbtexan said:
I would try to trade Watt and Stills to the Pack for a 2nd and a 5th but would take a 3rd and a 5th. Then I would cut N. Martin and McKinney. That would give me around 28 mil on the cap if my math is correct.

With the 28 mil I would hope that I could find a CB1 in FA and a NT. Then in the draft I would try to find an S that could start right away like Winfield. With the secondary and run game fixed I would spend more of my draft capital on a devlopmental pass rusher in the 3rd like Barron Browning or Tyreke Smith. At the top of the 4th I would take the RB Robinson from Alabama and if I had to I would trade back into the 3rd to get him. In this scenario I would still have Arzona's 4th and the Packs 5th plus two 6ths. Plenty of ammo to move back into the 3rd even one more time if I wanted too to get a starting OG.

If they trade JJ/Stills and get a 2nd and a 5th they can greatly improve the defense in 1 offseason, but they have to act now to set this offseason up.
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I like this trade idea with the Packers but I sure would feel better about it if the Texans came away with AJ Dillon as well. Toss Duke Johnson into the deal since I think he'd be a perfect asset for GB as a true 3rd down back. I think the Texans could come away from this deal with Dillon, RD3 and a RD5. I'm just not certain if GB gives up a RD2 but maybe the team could interest them in a swap of picks as well.

GB: Watt, Stills, and Texans 2021 RD3

Hou: Dillon, GB 2021 RD2, RD4
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I like this trade idea with the Packers but I sure would feel better about it if the Texans came away with AJ Dillon as well. Toss Duke Johnson into the deal since I think he'd be a perfect asset for GB as a true 3rd down back. I think the Texans could come away from this deal with Dillon, RD3 and a RD5. I'm just not certain if GB gives up a RD2 but maybe the team could interest them in a swap of picks as well.

GB: Watt, Stills, and Texans 2021 RD3

Hou: Dillon, GB 2021 RD2, RD4
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Your thoughts on Dillons showing against Texans? I expected him to run rampant similar to Derrick Henry.
 
Corrosion said:
Trading them now actually does - it creates cap roll over.

Doing it in the offseason .... doesn't give you that advantage
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Would there be any financial benefit if the Texans could make this trade with the Cowboys:

Cowboys Get: LT- Tunsil, C- Martin, QB- McCarron

Texans Get: RT- Collins (IR 2019- New 5 YR 50M Deal w/ 35M GTD), 2021 RD1
 
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badboy said:
Your thoughts on Dillons showing against Texans? I expected him to run rampant similar to Derrick Henry.
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Just not seeing the field enough to get properly acclimated. Rookie missing a proper off-season also didn't help since he was buried behind veteran RB's. Henry took a season as RB1 before he finally started hitting his stride. I see Dillon in the same mold and it would be difficult to see what he could do until he's given a season as the feature back.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I like this trade idea with the Packers but I sure would feel better about it if the Texans came away with AJ Dillon as well. Toss Duke Johnson into the deal since I think he'd be a perfect asset for GB as a true 3rd down back. I think the Texans could come away from this deal with Dillon, RD3 and a RD5. I'm just not certain if GB gives up a RD2 but maybe the team could interest them in a swap of picks as well.

GB: Watt, Stills, and Texans 2021 RD3

Hou: Dillon, GB 2021 RD2, RD4
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They aren't going to give up Dillon. The trade you're proposing would be Dillon a 2nd rd pick last yr and a 2021 2nd which is the equivalent of a 2021 1st plus a 4th. I seriously doubt this happens. Would you take Dillon and a 4th for Watt? I would
 
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Would there be any way we package Cooks for Gilmore to New England? Would sort the secondary out immediately, especially if Conley can return and be CB3 next year.
That’s the back end of the D rebuild done and dusted, we still have 3 good receivers.
Then the focus shifts to the front 7 and finding a RB.
 
maybe Janice thinking is are we going to find someone better then jj watt in the 2nd and 3rd round ??? young and cheaper of course but better ???

unless they really are trying to liquidate the cap space

what are the positives of letting jj watt stay his whole career ??? in houston
 
welsh texan said:
Would there be any way we package Cooks for Gilmore to New England? Would sort the secondary out immediately, especially if Conley can return and be CB3 next year.
That’s the back end of the D rebuild done and dusted, we still have 3 good receivers.
Then the focus shifts to the front 7 and finding a RB.
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New England isn't going to trade Gilmore although that would be a great trade for the Texans. What I'm hoping happens is a team has to cut a CB1 and the Texans have created enough cap space to pounce on this opportunity. How would you feel about the Texans signing Patrick Peterson to a 4 yr deal in FA? He's having a much better season this yr in his 1st yr back after suspension.

A secondary of Peterson/Roby/re-signed Conley at CB and Reid/a drafted S in the 3rd would make the Texans secondary one of the best in the NFL. IMHO Caden Stearns would be my pick in the 3rd rd.
 
welsh texan said:
Would there be any way we package Cooks for Gilmore to New England? Would sort the secondary out immediately, especially if Conley can return and be CB3 next year.
That’s the back end of the D rebuild done and dusted, we still have 3 good receivers.
Then the focus shifts to the front 7 and finding a RB.
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Isnt gilmore too old for a longterm rebuild?
 
steelbtexan said:
They aren't going to give up Dillon. The trade you're proposing would be Dillon a 2nd rd pick last yr and a 2021 2nd which is the equivalent of a 2021 1st plus a 4th. I seriously doubt this happens. Would you take Dillon and a 4th for Watt? I would
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I forgot GB took Dillon in RD2....I thought it was RD3. I’d take Dillon and a RD3 for Watt and Stills...might need Duke to make it viable b/c Packers would be looking for a replacement RB2 or RB3.
 
steelbtexan said:
New England isn't going to trade Gilmore although that would be a great trade for the Texans. What I'm hoping happens is a team has to cut a CB1 and the Texans have created enough cap space to pounce on this opportunity. How would you feel about the Texans signing Patrick Peterson to a 4 yr deal in FA? He's having a much better season this yr in his 1st yr back after suspension.

A secondary of Peterson/Roby/re-signed Conley at CB and Reid/a drafted S in the 3rd would make the Texans secondary one of the best in the NFL. IMHO Caden Stearns would be my pick in the 3rd rd.
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I love the idea of Peterson/Roby/Conley.

I take it you aren’t happy with Lonnie at safety? From telly it looks as if he’s the one making the tackle 30 yards beyond the LOS more often than not. Another wasted DB pick under RAC.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Would there be any financial benefit if the Texans could make this trade with the Cowboys:

Cowboys Get: LT- Tunsil, C- Martin, QB- McCarron

Texans Get: RT- Collins (IR 2019- New 5 YR 50M Deal w/ 35M GTD), 2021 RD1
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Not a bad deal from the Texans perspective but I don't see much incentive for the Cowboys to make that deal - without Dak they are in the same situation as the Texans - Next Year.
 
Corrosion said:
Not a bad deal from the Texans perspective but I don't see much incentive for the Cowboys to make that deal - without Dak they are in the same situation as the Texans - Next Year.
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Yeah, I thought it would be interesting for the Cowboys to have Tunsil at RT in 2021, Martin as depth and a cheaper (probably) and more effective McCarron at QB2 than Andy Dalton.

Texans would get a certified answer at RT in Collins and possibly a decent RD1 pick that might be a LT answer for the next 5 years.

I feel like Jerrah may not be willing to throw in the towel since they’re still in play for the NFC East.
 
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Norg said:
we are 1-6 and last year we go routed by all the talented teams ravens and cheifs manily

we are not a talented team its prob time for that 4 year rebuild plan sadly
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......sadly, you might mean that 22 year plan.
 
En1gma57 said:
JJ to the Steelers to finish up his career with his brother on the same D and his other as the FB.
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The Steelers aren't going to take on 17 million dollars in these Covid times. It's not the way the Steelers operate. The Pack dont operate this way either but I'm hoping their fanbase puts enough pressure on mgmt that they make a trade for Watt. If you read the Pack twitter you can see they're really pushing for the trade.
 
Lucky said:
So the Texans would have to take on some of Watt’s pro-rated salary? Ala the Clowney trade?
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Its more complicated than that but the short answer is it depends upon who they trade with and how much space that team has.

For GB or Pittsburgh they would have to take on some part of that - Or that team would have to create the space.
 
badboy said:
Well you should care, for example no reason for McKinney to restructure and if you cut him his cap increases now from $6 m to more than 8. Again I agree with your premise we just need to not cut off our nose to spite our face.
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Mr teX said:
No reason for him to restructure other than him being out of a job...sure he’s get picked up, but coming off injury and being an antiquated 2 down ILB, he likely wouldn’t get very good offers much less anything close to what he was getting here or what he would get with a restructure.


Aside from that, If the goal is as quick a turnaround as possible then the cap hit would be worth the short term pain.
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If McKinney is cut after this seasons end and before June 1 his dead money is 1,500,000 .

If he is cut after June 1 his cap hit is $750k for 21 and 22.

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Corrosion said:
Its more complicated than that but the short answer is it depends upon who they trade with and how much space that team has.

For GB or Pittsburgh they would have to take on some part of that - Or that team would have to create the space.
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J J Watt prorated 9-game salary is less than $8M, according to Over The Cap.
Both the Steelers and the Packers can accomodate that.
 
steelbtexan said:
What about the 17.5 mil he's owed for next yr with a shrinking cap.
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It isn’t guaranteed though. I wonder if JJ would be happy to sit at the table and work something out. I’d think putting some guaranteed $$ on that contract, playing with his brothers or his home team, and a contender at this point in his career may be wortwhile to him. I don’t see how they don’t cut him in the off-season anyway.
 
steelbtexan said:
Is this a business or a church social?
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I wrote what i wrote to rebuke the premise of trading him to "give him a chance at a championship"..screw trading him with only that notion in mind. Guys of his caliber were paid handsomely for their services & it's just an unfortunate fact of playing the game that you may never win a championship. He won't be the 1st great player for that to happen to & he certainly won't be the last.

But also from my own selfish stance, JJ's an icon & currently our best defensive player. In that regard, if he wants to finish out his career here i would love nothing more than to have him retire a Texan......at the right price of course. Like all players i'm sure he'd love to win a championship, but he could also be a guy who values other things besides having a ring for the sake of having a ring. If he's open to being traded, then trade him & let him go chase a ring. If he wants to stay & try to "see it through" then sit down & see what can be worked out. All i'm saying is give that man at least that much respect & allow him to have some level of say in how he'd like to finish out his career.
 
welsh texan said:
It isn’t guaranteed though. I wonder if JJ would be happy to sit at the table and work something out. I’d think putting some guaranteed $$ on that contract, playing with his brothers or his home team, and a contender at this point in his career may be wortwhile to him. I don’t see how they don’t cut him in the off-season anyway.
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If Janice doesn't OK (Which she probably wont) then Watt will be here and the Texans org will fall even further into the abyss. This is actually what I expect to happen.

If a well run org like the 49ers can trade Montana/Rice and the Cowboys can l go of Emmitt then Watt should be on the table too.
 
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steelbtexan said:
If Janice doesn't OK (Which she probably wont) then Watt will be here and the Texans org will fall even further into the abyss. This is actually what I expect to happen.

If a well run org like the 49ers can trade Montana/Rice and the Cowboys can l go of Emmitt then Watt should on the table too.
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Did everyone forget the Niners stumbling around in the dark for the last two decades? They're not some model franchise neither are the Cowboys
 
CCTexans said:
Did everyone forget the Niners stumbling around in the dark for the last two decades? They're not some model franchise neither are the Cowboys
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I don't know, man. Since the Texans have existed (2002), the 49ers have a playoff record of 8-5, including two Super Bowl appearances and four NFC championship games.

The Texans have yet to even make it to an AFC championship game in that time.

I'd be glad to trade those outcomes. :thinking:

I do agree about the Cowboys, though. They have been irrelevant since 1995, in spite of the rhetoric from Cowboys fans.

That said, I agree with steelbtexan that no player should be exempt from being part of a process that gives the Texans more draft capital and cap space. This franchise is in hell right now, and it is not going to be painless to dig them out of it. I would like for any trade with JJ to be mutually beneficial, just out of respect to JJ, but, at the same time, I'm a Texans fan more than I am a fan of any individual player. It's not like he gave the Texans a discount when he signed his contract.
 
CCTexans said:
Did everyone forget the Niners stumbling around in the dark for the last two decades? They're not some model franchise neither are the Cowboys
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DeBartolo getting kicked out of the NFL is why this happened.

Agreed about the Cowboys
 
Corrosion said:
If McKinney is cut after this seasons end and before June 1 his dead money is 1,500,000 .

If he is cut after June 1 his cap hit is $750k for 21 and 22.

www.spotrac.com

Benardrick McKinney

Benardrick McKinney contract and salary cap details, full contract breakdowns, salaries, signing bonus, roster bonus, dead money, and valuations.
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my post was to reflect if he is cut now, he gets his base of 6 plus his prorated .750. I did include his roster bonus of .750 which is not correct due to IR. At what date as a veteran does his 2021 base become GTD?
 
welsh texan said:
It isn’t guaranteed though. I wonder if JJ would be happy to sit at the table and work something out. I’d think putting some guaranteed $$ on that contract, playing with his brothers or his home team, and a contender at this point in his career may be wortwhile to him. I don’t see how they don’t cut him in the off-season anyway.
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Somewhere I posted offering Watt some GTD money in signing bonus that can be prorated over distant years that also include non GTD $.
 
Mr teX said:
I wrote what i wrote to rebuke the premise of trading him to "give him a chance at a championship"..screw trading him with only that notion in mind. Guys of his caliber were paid handsomely for their services & it's just an unfortunate fact of playing the game that you may never win a championship. He won't be the 1st great player for that to happen to & he certainly won't be the last.

But also from my own selfish stance, JJ's an icon & currently our best defensive player. In that regard, if he wants to finish out his career here i would love nothing more than to have him retire a Texan......at the right price of course. Like all players i'm sure he'd love to win a championship, but he could also be a guy who values other things besides having a ring for the sake of having a ring. If he's open to being traded, then trade him & let him go chase a ring. If he wants to stay & try to "see it through" then sit down & see what can be worked out. All i'm saying is give that man at least that much respect & allow him to have some level of say in how he'd like to finish out his career.
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if you heard his after game interview, I didn't hear him declaring where he wants to be but if I were to guess it ain't on this roster. Dude wanted to power slam somebody.
 
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