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Time to TRY to reboot against Jax!

76Texan said:
Given that the playbook is the same, that's all an OC can do.
I would have like to see even fewer runs on first down though.
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That's what I'm saying, play calling didn't look much different to me. Just worked more which leads me to believe it was more a result of the Jags being that bad.
 
I'm not sure we really saw too much today, other than playing without O'Brien being a drag on the players. The offensive plays and selection went back a step to our most base options. The Jags were apparently exactly who we needed to eff everything up on their end and let the team get stronger as the game went on.

I didn't watch as deeply as I used to when I cared (pre-O'Brien), nor will I review tape, but there were some things of note. Watson's mechanics have predictably gotten worse thanks to bad coaching and worse offenses - masked by talent (a LOT of talent). His second interception was his tendency to unnecessarily throw off his front foot - instead of planting and driving the ball outside for a long completion he was forward and the the ball carried high and inside. A hidden (and wildly important) positive is Watson's command pre-snap, he's out of the huddle fast, immediate in no-huddle decisions - but never rushed. Receivers and backs need an Andy Reid style of spread West Coast style offense - our current talent is built wide (with TE's breaking games), not forward. Our offensive line coach (forget his name) needs to be fired before our competent tackles decline too far, and our interior collapses further ... as a whole they're not good, but there is at least backup potential with a real scheme and coaching. Runningbacks are blind, no fixing that. Secondary talent is Reid as a starter with Roby at #2CB at best. Cunningham is solid. Line is inconsistent at best - still at the mercy of positioning. Watt is a 3-4 defensive end (more so as he gets old - his 'give up' chasing the quarterback hurt me) and Mercilus is a 3-4 strong linebacker.
 
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amazing80 said:
I will have to look this week at the All 22 and compare to last week and the week before, but I disagree. To me it seemed like route combinations were simplified and quicker.
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I had already been commenting on the better routes relative to last year. & I remember at least one game people were applauding Watson for getting the ball out quick & on time, at least in the first half.

Consistency was the word of the day that game.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
This team is better without OB at HC. What that leads to, I don’t know. But I feel like they have a better chance to win games now.
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I don’t think this can be stated enough. From the leaks and reports this week it was apparent OB was not just a cancer in the locker room but in the organization as a whole. You can get away with the asshole act for a while. Eventually, it starts having the opposite effect and people start to shut down on you. If it gets bad enough they start looking for subtle ways to undermine your efforts. It looks like that was case here.
 
Well, for whatever reason, they finally won. Glad to see it. Also glad to see a little glimmer of what the offense could be. The right coach and a few good linemen and we might have something here.

Of course this was Jacksonville, but still, seeing the good guys win was nice for a change.
 
TexansBull said:
I think where most people are finding joy in this win is how much better the team looks by the pure play calling and players playing hard. Additionally, we all can acknowledge how much better this JAGS team would have looked with OB the HC.

It all adds to the excitement.
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Isn’t Marrone a really good friend of OB’s? It certainly seemed like he was paying tribute to him in this game.

The Jags started the game with an 11 yard run. Then went to the air for 3 straight plays and punted. Why not attack the worst run D in football especially after you just popped them for 11 yards?

Then there’s running the ball 20 times and passing 49 times against this horrible run D. I get that they eventually had to abandon the run, but it was still a 1 score game through 3 quarters and they only ran 7 times in the 2nd half.

Then there was the 4th down direct snap halfback pass attempt fumble clusterfuck.

An incredible, heartwarming tribute from Marrone to his old buddy.

thunderkyss said:
Honestly, the only real difference I saw was the defense playing with a lead in the 2nd half.
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I’d say that’s a pretty big difference so far this season.
 
76Texan said:
Jags 20 rushes 75 yds.
Texans D held on 2 big 4th down conversions besides the 2 fumble recoveries.

Big step up.
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I was wondering how many times the Jags rushed. Given how bad the defense has been against it in thought the Jags would have leaned harder on it. 20 at just over 3.5 isn’t stout but it is better.
 
thunderkyss said:
That's what I'm saying, play calling didn't look much different to me. Just worked more which leads me to believe it was more a result of the Jags being that bad.
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No, it was a concerted effort. The game plan is definitely quick strikes.
(We did see that more last week after Cobb called for it before the Vikings game.)
 
Scooter said:
I'm not sure we really saw too much today, other than playing without O'Brien being a drag on the players. The offensive plays and selection went back a step to our most base options. The Jags were apparently exactly who we needed to eff everything up on their end and let the team get stronger up as the game went on.

I didn't watch as deeply as I used to when I cared (pre-O'Brien), nor will I review tape, but there were some things of note. Watson's mechanics have predictably gotten worse thanks to bad coaching and worse offenses - masked by talent (a LOT of talent). His second interception was his tendency to unnecessarily throw off his front foot - instead of planting and driving the ball outside for a long completion he was forward and the the ball carried high and inside. A hidden (and wildly important) positive is Watson's command pre-snap, he's out of the huddle fast, immediate in no-huddle decisions - but never rushed. Receivers and backs need an Andy Reid style of spread West Coast style offense - our current talent is built wide (with TE's breaking games), not forward. Our offensive line coach (forget his name) needs to be fired before our competent tackles decline too far, and our interior collapses further ... as a whole they're not good, but there is at least backup potential with a real scheme and coaching. Runningbacks are blind, no fixing that. Secondary talent is Reid as a starter with Roby at #2CB at best. Cunningham is solid. Line is inconsistent at best - still at the mercy of positioning. Watt is a 3-4 defensive end (more so as he gets old - his 'give up' chasing the quarterback hurt me) and Mercilus is a 3-4 strong linebacker.
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This game is more like going back to the basic.
 
Jags aren’t that good but I didn’t think they played a terrible game today and the Texans only won by being the less shitty team.
Minshew screwed them with some errant throws, but overall they didn’t look awful.

This game gave me some confidence that they can maybe beat the Titans. If they do now you’re 2-0 in the division.
 
76Texan said:
This game is more like going back to the basic.
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It was essentially the same "worst of 2016-17" offense. The same twin-back sets, the same motions and cross-blocks, the same predictability, and the the same couple fades. The same failed inside zone, the same failed screen attempt or two, and the same - 'Watson/defense save us'. To be expected of course with Kelly on offense and only a few days to prepare. Kelly - not Shanahan - because such happens with a nobody head coach with no tree even half a decade later. Defense doesn't have the talent to save us anymore, and Weaver has accomplished nothing for the praise he's getting (though I really like his approach and want to be first in line when he is ACTUALLY ready for each promotion).
 
Or last week ... I don't think. If he is not injured, I'm worried. Johnson needs all the push he can get up there ! One of the best runs he had today was completely due to them running and pushing him along !
 
powda said:
I think he performed just as well as Martin and Fulton. Are we benching them to?
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I was about to launch into a tirade on perennial contenders and how you know the names of the QB and OL because they're always there, because they are very good and dependable from the time you draft them to the time they retire .... but, I'm proud that I have the intestinal fortitude not to go there .... just yet !!
 
justmy2cents said:
I was about to launch into a tirade on perennial contenders and how you know the names of the QB and OL because they're always there, because they are very good and dependable from the time you draft them to the time they retire .... but, I'm proud that I have the intestinal fortitude not to go there .... just yet !!
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I think schematicaly they can get better. But they are not superior talents.
 
powda said:
I'll help you, I must be a buttchin apologist and should deal with it.
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I don't know what it is that pisses me off about this @CstatTexan but it does. Calling me an Obrien apologist when my post history shows just the opposite for 3 years plus is uneducated and abruptly stupid.

The texans beat a bad team today. It shouldn't be sacrilege to say it.
 
Well I thought team improved in several areas which is what I wanted to see. Yeah it was Jacksonville but Minnesota was Minnesota last Sunday And we look like crap! So I will take it. Of course we need to see more Improvement when we play Tennessee. Did anyone really expect to see an offense that did not have O'Brien stamped on it? 1-4 but 1-0 in our division.

Can we beat Titans? We will have to be better than we were today But we should be.
Scharping 2019 started 14 of 16 938 snaps including ST allowing 3 sacks; 5 or 6 penalties with one holding and 4 false starts. Pretty good for rookie moving from LT to LG. This off season Bill had him taking snaps at Center, don't know how many but shouldn't second year starter being focused on LG? This brings to mind Rankins and Davenport, both had issues but musical chairs doesn't help. Play the best guy but is that Kelemete?
Next Sunday should be interesting.
 
thunderkyss said:
Are you saying it was better play calling? I'm thinking the Jags are that bad, especially today missing three of their best defenders & their only starting DB getting ejected.
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And that's not to mention how many bad passes in critical times Menshew was credited with. Men wide open.......with the ball sailing, digging into the ground or being thrown nowhere within a catchable radius. With even just decent Jags QB play, the score and very possibly the result would have been much different.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
And that's not to mention how many bad passes in critical times Menshew was credited with. Men wide open.......with the ball sailing, digging into the ground or being thrown nowhere within a catchable radius. With even decent Jags QB play, the score and very possibly the result would have been much different.
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I have no idea why you caught the hell you did for pointing out when watt got handled, but whatever. You do your thing doc. I'm a fan.
 
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